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20101209 00:00:09< Ivanovic> its quite simple over here using xrandr...
20101209 00:00:12< fendrin> With amd/ati and the fglrx. With nvidia it was much easier.
20101209 00:00:23< Ivanovic> okay, i tend to just mirror stuff, but that is dead easy
20101209 00:00:33< Ivanovic> extending the screen is basically as easy though
20101209 00:01:08< fendrin> driver and hardware?
20101209 00:01:23< Ivanovic> amd radeon 5850
20101209 00:01:41< Ivanovic> driver does not matter, it is the same for intel, open and closed source ati
20101209 00:01:43< grzywacz> I've never had problems either.
20101209 00:02:00< grzywacz> Once I even had a 2 monitor setup with extended desktop on 2 *different* video cards. xD
20101209 00:02:10< Ivanovic> either use commandline randr or do it in a graphical frontend like the kde display setup thingie
20101209 00:02:13< fendrin> Well, my card does not work unless used with the fglrx driver. And that one is ugly to configure.
20101209 00:02:28< Ivanovic> fendrin: fglrx does completely support xrandr
20101209 00:02:49< fendrin> Yeah, it is working now.
20101209 00:03:01< grzywacz> shadowmaster, for more hillarity, my wesnoth binary is linked with Qt :D
20101209 00:03:06< Ivanovic> so you can use any xrandr tutorial for setting it up
20101209 00:03:13< fendrin> I use xrandr as well if I understood correctly.
20101209 00:03:26< fendrin> It is not the setup that does make problems, it is wesnoth.
20101209 00:03:40< fendrin> I can't bring it into fullscreen mode any more.
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20101209 00:04:15< fendrin> It does either, cover both screens being in the middle with black borders on each screen's left or right.
20101209 00:04:39< fendrin> Or it does run in a wrong resolution on the wrong monitor. 
20101209 00:04:54< fendrin> The other screen is just black.
20101209 00:05:00< grzywacz> Ivanovic, do you use kde?
20101209 00:05:05< Ivanovic> grzywacz: yeah
20101209 00:05:18< grzywacz> Ivanovic, does notification support in wesnoth work ok for you?
20101209 00:05:36< Ivanovic> it worked nicely when we did some notification testing at last fosdem
20101209 00:05:40< grzywacz> Ivanovic, I find it very unreadable, esp. the turn change info, but I don't know if it's just the KDE version 
20101209 00:05:42< Ivanovic> i assume it still works okay
20101209 00:05:46< fendrin> When I drop out of wesnoth back to kde, all taskbars on the black monitor have moved to the other one. I can replace them but this does often screw them up.
20101209 00:06:26< grzywacz> Let me take a screenshot to compare...
20101209 00:08:03< grzywacz> Ivanovic, e.g: http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~grzywacz/snapshot2.png
20101209 00:08:09< grzywacz> And that's what pops up every turn.
20101209 00:08:20< Ivanovic> ah, that is what you mena
20101209 00:08:30< Ivanovic> i think those should disappear after some time and "clean up" again
20101209 00:08:48< grzywacz> The same with chat log - it contains many previous lines, which is okay-ish. But in case of turns it's plain unreadable.
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20101209 00:17:59< Ivanovic> grzywacz: which kde version are you using?
20101209 00:18:50< grzywacz> Ivanovic, 4.5.4
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20101209 00:47:43< shadowmaster> grzywacz: it's not just that KDE version.
20101209 00:48:30< grzywacz> shadowmaster, ok, good to know
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20101209 06:31:42< smu33rules> espreon?
20101209 06:32:45< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: so I went and jammed and didn't even compile the game, let alone upload it; I'm just telling you, so you know to pester me tomorrow when I come online if I forget ;)
20101209 06:34:59< smu33rules> espreon?
20101209 06:43:05< crimson_penguin> smu33rules: pretty sure if he was going to "hear" you, he'd have "heard" you the first time
20101209 06:43:25< smu33rules> yeah i figured
20101209 06:43:35< smu33rules> but
20101209 06:43:43< smu33rules> it was worth a try anyway
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20101209 10:19:02< Ivanovic> moin
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20101209 11:36:20< CIA-28> ivanovic * r47888 /trunk/ (11 files in 10 dirs): updated Russian translation
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20101209 13:10:17< Ivanovic> shadowmaster, mordante: is there a list so far regarding which dialogs the game has and which ones are converted to GUI2 so far?
20101209 13:10:32< Ivanovic> maybe converting single dialogs to GUI2 could be a good GCI task?
20101209 13:11:57< CIA-28> ivanovic * r47889 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): updated Japanese translation
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20101209 13:41:20< shadowmaster> the remaining cases, AFAIK, are not really trivial to convert
20101209 13:43:26< CIA-28> ivanovic * r47890 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (4 files in 4 dirs): make formatting of the difficulty selection more uniform
20101209 13:43:37< shadowmaster> but indeed there's no specific list and I have worked mainly based on fgrep
20101209 13:45:05< shadowmaster> hm
20101209 13:45:13< shadowmaster> shikadibot: file trunk/data/gui/default/window/icon_message.cfg
20101209 13:45:13< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL to file trunk/data/gui/default/window/icon_message.cfg: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/gui/default/window/icon_message.cfg?view=markup
20101209 13:45:26< shadowmaster> oops
20101209 13:46:31< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47891 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/icon_message.cfg: Remove an empty file
20101209 13:48:55< CIA-28> ivanovic * r47892 /trunk/ (changelog data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/_main.cfg): Fixed bug #17273: Made difficulty selection conform to the style of all other mainline campaigns
20101209 13:49:36< Ivanovic> esr, fendrin: i am not sure whom of you does maintain DM atm, please have a look at the difficulty levels and make sure that the changes i made now reflect the difficulty as defined game wide
20101209 13:50:06< Ivanovic> i tried to assume that levels based on the campaigns on similar overall difficulty levels, so it *should* be okay, but better check it to be 100% sure
20101209 13:54:20< CIA-28> ivanovic * r47893 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/_main.cfg: had to change the macro used, too...
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20101209 14:26:24< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: what about the sub dialogs within the preferences and editor?
20101209 14:32:29< shadowmaster> for the editor, only the place-starting-location dialog is not converted yet
20101209 14:33:19< shadowmaster> as for the Preferences dialogs, tthe Hotkeys dialog has a GUI2 counterpart in the map editor but it doesn't work correctly yet and has some redrawing issues
20101209 14:33:44< Ivanovic> the GUI1 part has some serious issues when used at 800x480
20101209 14:33:46< Ivanovic> ;)
20101209 14:34:43< Ivanovic> what about the change resolution and the theme dialog, are those already converted?
20101209 14:34:53< shadowmaster> yes
20101209 14:35:05< Ivanovic> "set path to wesnothd"?
20101209 14:35:34< Ivanovic> the rest of the ingame help is all "ingame help" dialog stuff
20101209 14:35:36< shadowmaster> filechoosers aren't converted in general
20101209 14:35:41< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20101209 14:36:07< Ivanovic> campaign select as well as difficulty select are not converted either, right
20101209 14:36:22< shadowmaster> campaign selection and difficulty *are* converted
20101209 14:36:29< Ivanovic> ahh, okay
20101209 14:39:38< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47894 /trunk/utils/wesnoth-optipng: wesnoth-optipng: Update links to OptiPNG's website
20101209 14:46:22< ZumZoom> Can smb explain me what is Castle Overlay and Keep Overlay?
20101209 14:48:11< shadowmaster> they turn the underlying terrain into castle/keep-like tiles from which you can recruit or recall units
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20101209 14:53:11< ZumZoom> thx
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20101209 19:03:48< mordante> servus
20101209 19:04:19< mordante> Espreon, like shadowmaster said, don't expect GUI1 italic fixes from me
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20101209 19:04:42< mordante> I've enough to do for GUI@
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20101209 19:04:51< mordante> s/@/2
20101209 19:05:28< mordante> AI0867, zookeeper the portraits can't be cropped in the portrait dialog, will need to think about it
20101209 19:05:53< mordante> zookeeper, the 250 limit in the portrait is for the old 200x200 portraits to avoid scaling them
20101209 19:06:44< shadowmaster> FWIW GUI1 italics look fine to me here
20101209 19:07:04< mordante> Ivanovic, there's no official list of converted GUI2 dialogs but http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUIWindowDefinitionWML gives an indication of what's done
20101209 19:07:42< mordante> converting GUI1 to GUI2 isn't that straight forward and often needs C++ + WML code
20101209 19:09:32< mordante> ok shadowmaster I didn't look at it, just read the log entry
20101209 19:11:20< Ivanovic> mordante: do you think it would make sense to somehow gather a list of dialogs that exist marking those that still need to be converted?
20101209 19:11:40< Ivanovic> plus trying to gather what is required on the backend side before such a dialog can be converted
20101209 19:12:24< mordante> Ivanovic, not sure, but at least I'm not happy with the listbox and treeview class and a part of the placement algorithm
20101209 19:12:39< Ivanovic> if this is a useful task i'd say: lets make it a GCI task, sounds as if it should be doable with some basic searching over what is there
20101209 19:12:43< mordante> so I need to get that sorted out before I want to tackle more dialogs
20101209 19:13:05< mordante> not that useful 
20101209 19:13:14< Ivanovic> and maybe some stuff is sound by this search that can be implemented by a student
20101209 19:13:17< shadowmaster> if it weren't for the listbox issue the Statistics dialog would be my next prey.
20101209 19:13:19< Ivanovic> s/sound/found
20101209 19:14:09< shadowmaster> the Delete saevd game dialog could be converted too (the dialog that pops up when you have delete confirmations enabled, or more exactly, "not disabled")
20101209 19:14:28< mordante> Ivanovic, not too sure, also think some dialogs shadowmaster did might need to be moved to a separate class
20101209 19:14:42< mordante> they still have some hardcoded stuff from the engine
20101209 19:15:01< mordante> which is against the spirit of GUI2
20101209 19:15:10< mordante> but that has a very low priority for now
20101209 19:16:09< mordante> I might have a CGI idea... but need to ponder a bit on it
20101209 19:16:28< Ivanovic> :)
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20101209 19:19:31< mordante> maybe in fact let them do the Delete saved game dialog from scratch... but let them use the documentation I wrote to see whether it's clear
20101209 19:24:28< Ivanovic> sounds like a nice task
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20101209 19:29:36< zookeeper> mordante, did any of the artists ever come up with a spec for how the portraits and the scaling should work exactly?
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20101209 20:15:54< mordante> zookeeper, recently or before?
20101209 20:17:39< zookeeper> mordante, well, either
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20101209 20:19:10< zookeeper> AFAICT there's two major problems i see: the inability to crop at the top and the inability to make the text position depend on the image width.
20101209 20:21:39< mordante> the crop needs some coding work and the fixed text position is by design
20101209 20:21:57< mordante> not sure whether it can easily be changed, but I guess it should be possible
20101209 20:24:02< AI0867> I couldn't find where the image was actually scaled
20101209 20:24:14< zookeeper> the fixed text position has the problem that thinner portraits leave a huge gap between the image and the text
20101209 20:24:46< zookeeper> so the text location should really be in some way dependant on the image width
20101209 20:24:47< iwontbecreative> fendrin: In scenario 2 of LoW, after you step on dwarvish land and they are your ennemies "Death of Olurf" doesn't get removed from lost conditions
20101209 20:25:04< mordante> AI0867, it's automatically scaled by setting its size, but I see a problem with scaling and cropping
20101209 20:25:07< iwontbecreative> I think it should because you don't lose if you kill your ennemu
20101209 20:25:29< mordante> AI0867, we're talking about the schema validator on the mentor chan and I wonder how ready it is
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20101209 20:25:56< AI0867> iwontbecreative: the story demands that he lives
20101209 20:26:08< mordante> zookeeper, yeah, but when I wrote the algorithm we expected a more uniform portrait size...
20101209 20:26:14< fendrin> iwontbecreative: Yes, that is a must. You will see olurf again, he is an important part of the story. Thus the objectives are telling the truth, you do really lose the scenario by Olurf's death for storyline reasons.
20101209 20:26:20< mordante> zookeeper, that doesn't mean we shouldn't adapt to reality
20101209 20:26:28< iwontbecreative> AI0687: Maybe make him escape then...
20101209 20:26:28< AI0867> mordante: ugh, it hasn't progressed in the past months
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20101209 20:27:02< iwontbecreative> There's no logical reason the player should protect it
20101209 20:27:03< mordante> too bad :-(
20101209 20:27:29< iwontbecreative> In which scenario does he come back ?
20101209 20:27:37< AI0867> there's a couple of things that need to be done:
20101209 20:28:03< AI0867> -adapt wiki-grabber to generate schemata from comments
20101209 20:28:13< AI0867> -decide on a format for the wiki-grabber to grab
20101209 20:28:37< fendrin> iwontbecreative: You will need to help him in scenario 6.
20101209 20:28:51< AI0867> -add some functionality to wmlgrammar so it an fully describe WML's grammar
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20101209 20:28:53< iwontbecreative> fendrin: Is he still l2 there ?
20101209 20:28:59< AI0867> -finish wmlvalidator
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20101209 20:29:53< fendrin> iwontbecreative: His side is persistent, meaning if he does fight well during scenario 2 and 6 he will be lvl3 when he finally joins the player's ranks during scenario 7.
20101209 20:30:02< AI0867> there's a bit of a dependency tree here, and I've been putting off the design parts
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20101209 20:30:36< iwontbecreative> fendrin: This still looks weird to me :/
20101209 20:31:04< AI0867> I wrote the first parts of the schema by hand, but that violates DRY even more than we already do
20101209 20:31:15< iwontbecreative> Maybe make moutains arroudn keep impassable when you are too close from dwarf king
20101209 20:31:33< iwontbecreative> With a short dialog obviously
20101209 20:31:39< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: hi
20101209 20:31:41< mordante> AI0867, I wouldn't mind to change the format a bit if that helps your prokect
20101209 20:31:46< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: what is the status of the osx binary?
20101209 20:31:46< mordante> project*
20101209 20:32:21< fendrin> iwontbecreative: I guess your claims are right. There is some speech missing. How about letting Kalenz say: "Let's spare as many Dwarves as we can, and don't attack their leader. We can't risk making all of wesnoth's dwarves our enemies."
20101209 20:32:48< iwontbecreative> Looks right
20101209 20:33:11< fendrin> iwontbecreative: Okay, I will add that.
20101209 20:33:31< fendrin> iwontbecreative: Thank you for the feedback :-)
20101209 20:34:01< AI0867> mordante: eh, I haven't gotten that far yet
20101209 20:34:27< AI0867> it's a case of "I should design this properly, which means I need time to think about it and not just jump in"
20101209 20:34:38< AI0867> and I never manage to actually find the time =/
20101209 20:34:48< AI0867> distractions and such
20101209 20:35:00< iwontbecreative> fendrin: np
20101209 20:36:01< mordante> AI0867, yeah I know about distractions :-(
20101209 20:36:07< fendrin> AI0867: Are you talking about the syntax for the schema.cfg wml?
20101209 20:39:29< AI0867> fendrin: sort of
20101209 20:39:49< AI0867> that brought us to the syntax of the comments that the schema should be autogenerated from
20101209 20:40:39< fendrin> AI0867: I have spend some hours thinking about wml that describes the syntax of wml. I can offer you to build a team doing that.
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20101209 20:40:44< AI0867> that should allow us to bring the number of different places WML is defined/documented back down to 1.5 (code and comments in one file)
20101209 20:41:00< AI0867> ?
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20101209 20:41:48< AI0867> schema.cfg does most of the work, but it needs some extensions to deal with some oddities
20101209 20:42:22< iwontbecreative> Ivanovic: What about a GCI task > Make a video about wesnoth or a comment of a wesnoth replay and put it in youtube. 
20101209 20:42:26< iwontbecreative> Would be in outreach
20101209 20:42:47< fendrin> AI0867: What do you mean with "1.5"?
20101209 20:42:48< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: hmm, good question
20101209 20:43:26< Ivanovic> no idea how this video stuff works at all and eg timotei seems to have some interest in having videos about the eclipse wml editor created
20101209 20:43:34< Ivanovic> (stuff like how to set it up and the likes)
20101209 20:43:46< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: maybe talk to him about possible videos
20101209 20:43:52< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen timotei
20101209 20:43:52< wesbot> Ivanovic: Queried user last spoke 2h 54m ago.  timotei is currently here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev.
20101209 20:44:23< fendrin> iwontbecreative: Have you seen the older wesnoth "trailer" on youtube. I think that one is pretty good, albeit outdated.
20101209 20:44:43< iwontbecreative> Nope
20101209 20:44:48< iwontbecreative> Saw some replay comments
20101209 20:45:10< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I compiled it, but I kept forgetting, so I haven't started uploading yet
20101209 20:45:11< fendrin> iwontbecreative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIt69vznegs
20101209 20:45:18< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Trailer
20101209 20:47:20< iwontbecreative> Yep, it's nice indeed
20101209 20:47:22< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: making the dmg now, then I'll upload
20101209 20:47:30< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: okay, great
20101209 20:47:34< iwontbecreative> 300 000 views
20101209 20:47:51< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: it is from 1.1.2, so it is some years old
20101209 20:48:11< shadowmaster> 5 years old, to be exact
20101209 20:48:15< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Older_News_2006#Hey.2C_we_have_a_trailer
20101209 20:48:22< iwontbecreative> I guess that a good part of this is from wesnoth players, but it probably attracted some other players
20101209 20:48:28< shadowmaster> okay, 4
20101209 20:49:08< iwontbecreative> So it would be a nice and useull task for gci
20101209 20:49:15< iwontbecreative> *usefull
20101209 20:50:16< Ivanovic> timotei: since you started on creating a template for video tasks for the eclipse plugin, what do you think of making one task for a game trailer and mentoring it?
20101209 20:50:28< Ivanovic> (mentoring most likely just means watching the video at the end!)
20101209 20:50:46< AI0867> fendrin: well, there's currently the code, the wiki, wmllint and the bits of schema that have been written by hand
20101209 20:50:50< shadowmaster> disclaimer: the mentor doesn't get free popcorn
20101209 20:51:27< AI0867> having the wiki and the schema generated from comments in the same file as the code isn't the same as only code, but it's less than having to edit 2 different things
20101209 20:52:08< shadowmaster> "In the lead up to 1.0, and probably for some time after in celebration of the release of 1.0, the Wesnoth developers would like to invite users to come and play some friendly games of Wesnoth with us. " <- aw, we should do that for new stable series again
20101209 20:53:44< fendrin> AI0867: Well, we can think about macros that add the comments used by the generator and do some wmlvalidation at once. I would love that.
20101209 20:54:31< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: uploading
20101209 20:54:33< fendrin> AI0867: Then we would be down to ~1.25
20101209 20:54:37< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: great!
20101209 20:54:44< timotei> Ivanovic: yeah, I can do it
20101209 20:54:51< Ivanovic> timotei: cool!
20101209 20:54:57< timotei> Ivanovic: actually, I've already thought about it, that's why made the template for "general" video stuff
20101209 20:55:08< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: should be done in a dismal 4 hours and 40 minutes or so
20101209 20:55:13< timotei> shadowmaster: the TShirt is fine enough for me ;)
20101209 20:56:25< AI0867> fendrin: I'll think about this on the way home
20101209 20:56:39< timotei> ah, I wish that schema will be sometime ready :P
20101209 20:56:54< timotei> the plugin will then offer it's "almost" potential
20101209 20:56:57< AI0867> anyone opposed to this: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=468893#p468893 ? (village overlay to go with castle and keep overlays)
20101209 20:57:45< timotei> fendrin:  I was thinking last weeks on how to automatically make the autocomplete do completes WITHOUT me inputting the logic for each tag
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20101209 20:57:59< timotei> but I guess that can't be get from schema
20101209 20:58:11< Ivanovic> timotei: not sure if there is a t-shirt involved with GCI
20101209 20:58:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20101209 20:58:17< timotei> there is :)
20101209 20:58:23< zookeeper> AI0867, well, i'm fine with adding that when there's a need for it...
20101209 20:58:44< Ivanovic> shadowmaster, mordante: since the campaign selection dialog is already converted to GUI2, how hard would it be to add some "loading" section when clicking on campaigns?
20101209 20:58:59< Ivanovic> eg on the pandora it takes some notable time without further feedback when clicking on it
20101209 20:59:03< Ivanovic> (some 5 to 10s)
20101209 20:59:28< Ivanovic> this makes it feel as if the game was frozen which is IMO not good, so some loading or at least different cursor would be nice IMO
20101209 20:59:41< mordante> Ivanovic, like an animation or progress bar?
20101209 20:59:48< Ivanovic> mordante: yeah, something like that
20101209 21:00:17< Ivanovic> either showing some timer cursor or some "loading" message or something along those lines
20101209 21:00:26< Ivanovic> currently there is just like this:
20101209 21:00:44< Ivanovic> click, wait 10s without *any* feedback, see the campaign selection dialog
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20101209 21:05:30< AI0867> zookeeper: well, marking "strategic areas" in city-zones as suggested in that thread. And I'm sure someone can come up with other UMC purposes
20101209 21:05:34< shadowmaster> how odd.
20101209 21:05:50< shadowmaster> it should be instantaneous as WML is already parsed, shouldn't it?
20101209 21:06:46< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: it clearly is not instantaneous
20101209 21:06:57< Ivanovic> maybe the campaigns are reparsed at that time for the descriptions and whatnot?
20101209 21:07:41< AI0867> that should all be available without adding any defines
20101209 21:07:57< zookeeper> yeah, it should be instantaneous
20101209 21:08:43< Ivanovic> on my desktop it feels like it is right there, on the pandora it takes some time to show
20101209 21:09:39< Ivanovic> okay, when looking at it on my desktop there is a *really* tiny delay, maybe some 500ms or such, the dialog takes a little longer to pop up than say the mp dialog
20101209 21:09:44< shadowmaster> lines 1095 to 1098 in game.cpp could be the cause but even then it shouldn't take that long
20101209 21:11:02< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: the cpu is rather slow
20101209 21:11:07< Ivanovic> some 500MHz arm
20101209 21:11:20< Ivanovic> plus all the stuff is on an sd card, so speed is not really "great"
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20101209 21:29:00< fendrin> A discussion that took place on #wesnoth-mentor: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/tUBSV7Dz
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20101209 21:35:37< zookeeper> fendrin, i'm still not liking the idea much, since in order to prevent XP milking you need those complicated income reduction mechanisms.
20101209 21:36:15< fendrin> zookeeper: I would go for a xp stop after the soft limit ended. 
20101209 21:39:16< zookeeper> if the main problem is that turn limits feel arbitrary, then that can already be alleviated by just writing better time over events which give a rationale for why you lose
20101209 21:41:01< iwontbecreative> Also minimal gold is often quite short. You'll have many more players that complain about: "Can't do this scenario because I only start with x gold."
20101209 21:41:49< iwontbecreative> Actually if the turns run out the players think "Oh, maybe if I do it this way I can end faster with less losses", so they restart the scenario and are able to advance on the campaign
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20101209 21:45:36< iwontbecreative> Btw, what do you think about a "wesbot" for mp lobby ?
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20101209 21:54:05< shadowmaster> it's in Gambit's plans
20101209 21:54:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: He's probably referring to the "seen X?" feature
20101209 21:54:58< shadowmaster> yes
20101209 21:55:00< Gambit> though... I suppose users could ask the bridgebot to ask wesbot a question
20101209 21:55:25< Gambit> Assuming that I complete the project and that Rhonda is okay with sending wesbot to the bridge channel
20101209 21:55:32 * shadowmaster facepalm.
20101209 21:55:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well I'm certainly not implementing a "seen?" feature
20101209 21:55:58< Gambit> Stateful bots are hard :(
20101209 21:56:01< Gambit> And resource intensive.
20101209 21:56:26< Gambit> (Yes I realize I am probably misusing the term stateful. Thanks for asking.)
20101209 21:56:52< Gambit> Or... wait... that's right wesbot just searches logs.
20101209 21:56:54< Gambit> Hmmm
20101209 21:58:15< iwontbecreative> Would be quite usefull I think
20101209 21:58:25< Gambit> Perhaps I will start working on that project again.
20101209 21:58:43< Gambit> I got it to connect, but at the moment I'm not sure how to get the messages from the server as they come in.
20101209 21:58:59< Gambit> The server isn't like IRC that splits messages with linebreaks and trips the buffer.
20101209 21:59:08< iwontbecreative> Gambit: Quetz did that in ruby
20101209 21:59:08< Gambit> I just get everything in one clump after disconnecting :(
20101209 21:59:17< iwontbecreative> Or at least doing it
20101209 21:59:37< iwontbecreative> Wait
20101209 22:01:15< iwontbecreative> Not sure how much he did yet
20101209 22:01:17< iwontbecreative> https://github.com/Quetzalcoatl/Ladder2/blob/master/lib/wesnoth/lobby_bot.rb
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20101209 22:02:05< iwontbecreative> Looks like it's not finished
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20101209 22:12:03< mordante> not sure how easy it is to show up a message during loading, but I could look at it at some point, but first want to reduce my todo list
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20101209 22:13:54< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47897 /trunk/ (changelog src/game.cpp): Fix --data-dir
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20101209 22:19:59< CIA-28> shadowmaster * r47898 /trunk/src/config.cpp: Remove ancient WML config test
20101209 22:23:18< timotei> ok guys, night
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20101209 22:24:30< Gambit> Parties interested in the bridgebot will be happy to hear that I just solved the problem by stealing stuff from wesnothd.pl :D
20101209 22:25:16< Gambit> Which... I'm supposed to be fixing :$
20101209 22:25:44< mordante> I'm off night
20101209 22:25:56< Gambit> Bye
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20101209 22:45:38< Gambit> Hehe. iwontbecreative want to see the current version in action? Join trunk server and ##Gambot
20101209 22:45:53< Gambit> It only does lobby->irc atm.
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20101209 22:47:29< CIA-28> espreon * r47899 /trunk/utils/java/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Set svn:eol-style on some files.
20101209 22:48:14< iwontbecreative> Join ##Gambot ?
20101209 22:48:21< iwontbecreative> How do you do that ?
20101209 22:48:21< Gambit> iwontbecreative: the IRC channel
20101209 22:48:23< Gambit> here on freenode
20101209 22:48:26< Gambit> ./join ##Gambot
20101209 22:48:26< iwontbecreative> Oh
20101209 22:49:13< iwontbecreative> Gambit: Joined
20101209 22:49:22< Gambit> now talk in the lobby
20101209 22:49:46< CIA-28> espreon * r47900 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/images/portraits/rithrandil-winter.png: Ran umcpropfix.
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20101209 23:04:39< crimson_ipad> Ivanovic: So my Internet is down, delaying the upload
20101209 23:04:53< crimson_ipad> Should be back in an hour if not sooner
20101209 23:05:07< Ivanovic> crimson_ipad: even if you managed to upload it in the next 2h it would be too late for me to announce today
20101209 23:05:13< Ivanovic> (already 11pm over here)
20101209 23:05:18< crimson_ipad> Ok
20101209 23:05:38< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: maybe let someone else handle that for you? ;)
20101209 23:05:40< crimson_ipad> Well it should be up before tomorrow anyway
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20101209 23:06:43< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: and have someone destroy my neat copy&paste announcements?
20101209 23:06:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20101209 23:06:57< shadowmaster> for a change
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20101209 23:18:14< iwontbecreative> Does somebody knows what's the nick from Mark de Wever is ?
20101209 23:19:47< stikonas_> iwontbecreative: mordante
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20101209 23:20:24< stikonas> he is offline now
20101209 23:20:31< iwontbecreative> Ok, thanks :)
20101209 23:21:10< iwontbecreative> Because I finished Crab_ gci task some time ago (I had finished it before he put it online :P), and I would like to do the python one
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20101209 23:26:57< boucman> iwontbecreative: you can get familiar with the tool without him, I guess
20101209 23:27:22< iwontbecreative> Yep, not the problem
20101209 23:27:27< iwontbecreative>  It's quite easy to code
20101209 23:28:39< iwontbecreative>  The thing is: How will the paths given in argument be ?
20101209 23:30:53< boucman> huh ?
20101209 23:31:05< boucman> not sure I understand the question...
20101209 23:31:42< iwontbecreative> Nvm, I'll handle this with python library
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20101209 23:38:58< iwontbecreative> I'll finish it tomorrow
20101209 23:39:00< iwontbecreative> Good night
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