--- Log opened Sun Dec 12 00:00:16 2010
20101212 00:08:57< boucman> reopened as in unclaimed ?
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20101212 00:09:45< Ivanovic> Aurora: so in general just commit what you got so far stating how much time you likely need to get the rest done
20101212 00:10:10< Aurora> boucman, yes.
20101212 00:10:20< Aurora> I have 24 hours.
20101212 00:10:25< Aurora> I might be able to do it
20101212 00:10:57< boucman> and crab probably be online at least once until then...
20101212 00:11:03< Ivanovic> yeah
20101212 00:12:49< CIA-28> fendrin * r47923 /trunk/data/core/encyclopedia/geography.cfg: Replaced some ascii unworthy bulletin symbols with realy cool unicode ones.
20101212 00:12:51< fendrin> Espreon: ^
20101212 00:13:00< fendrin> Espreon: Better?
20101212 00:13:46< Espreon> Lemme check.
20101212 00:18:24< Ivanovic> Crab_, fendrin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=469176#p469176
20101212 00:23:04< fendrin> Ivanovic: That is not LoW specific. I am using the TURNS_RUN_OUT macro.
20101212 00:23:07< Espreon> fendrin: Ugh, you're using a mathematical symbol for a hollow bullet point; it's actually larger than a normal bullet point. It sucks that we can't use the real hollow bullet point.
20101212 00:23:16< Espreon> Damn you, GUI1!
20101212 00:24:58< fendrin> Espreon: I didn't even find the real hollow bullet point in the character map program.
20101212 00:25:47< Espreon> ◦
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20101212 00:28:30< fendrin> Espreon: In fact I would prepare some syntax like: <list>item</item> that does all the black magic like indentation for me.
20101212 00:28:49< Espreon> Interesting...
20101212 00:29:38< fendrin> I thought we have pango markup thingy all around wesnoth now. Shouldn't that support that kind of stuff?
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20101212 00:32:24< 45PABJW3V> are all member variables suffixed by an underscore?
20101212 00:32:27< Espreon> fendrin: I don't think Pango has stuff for lists. Pango is merely a text rendering engine.
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20101212 00:34:32< shadowmaster> it only supports a bastardized version of <span>
20101212 00:34:35< stikonas> there are at least 3 spaces at the end of line in geography.cfg. Maybe those should be removed.
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20101212 00:34:47< shadowmaster> 45PABJW3V: only when private.
20101212 00:34:59< 45PABJW3V> shadowmaster, ah, thanks
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20101212 00:39:17< CIA-28> fendrin * r47924 /trunk/data/core/encyclopedia/geography.cfg: Replaced the unicode bullet char by another more bulleting unicode char.
20101212 00:40:15< Espreon> Nani?
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20101212 00:40:40< Espreon> Ah...
20101212 00:44:58< iwontbecreative> I like this last commit's log...
20101212 00:45:17< iwontbecreative> Should go in wesnoth fortunes, about developper activity in wesnoth :D
20101212 00:45:54< isionous> iwontbecreative, yeah, I hope "more bulleting" means "better looking"
20101212 00:46:05< Espreon> Shhhhh...
20101212 00:46:23< Espreon> Don't expect much from GUI1...
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20101212 00:46:42< fendrin> Espreon: It does look fine for me now.
20101212 00:46:53< Espreon> Oh? Screenshot please.
20101212 00:49:23< fendrin> Espreon: http://imagebin.org/127496
20101212 00:49:44< Espreon> You think that looks all right?
20101212 00:49:56< fendrin> It is a font issue.
20101212 00:50:30< Espreon> ... or a rendering issue.
20101212 00:50:35< Espreon> But we'll never know.
20101212 00:50:35< fendrin> The hollow bulletin point in that font isn't any better. Not an issue related to gui1. I guess it would not look any different with gui2.
20101212 00:51:06< Espreon> Well, GUI1 does render curly quotes as if they were straight quotes.
20101212 00:51:29< Espreon> Or...
20101212 00:51:31< Espreon> Hmmmm...
20101212 00:51:37< fendrin> Are you sure that gui1 is rendering the fonts itself?
20101212 00:52:05< fendrin> I guess it is using another library that handles that. And I bet that gui2 is using exact the same piece of code.
20101212 00:52:09< Espreon> No.
20101212 00:52:19< Espreon> GUI1 uses sdl_ttf; GUI2 uses Pango.
20101212 00:53:14< fendrin> Well, than the conversion to gui2 that is progressing throughout wesnoth will repair the glitches with the hollow bulletin point. 
20101212 00:53:44< shadowmaster> fendrin: it won't progress further in the following months, I'd dare say
20101212 00:53:56< fendrin> I am fine with it for now. No need to use another sign and change it again after the help is converted to gui2.
20101212 00:54:01< fendrin> shadowmaster: Why do you think so?
20101212 00:54:02< Espreon> Yup, once mordante's grandchildren finish GUI2, all will be well. (Yes, I realize that I'm a horrible person)
20101212 00:54:30< shadowmaster> fendrin: because we are betting on mordante.
20101212 00:54:34< shadowmaster> and like it or not, he doesn't have that much spare time.
20101212 00:55:22< fendrin> Then we will offer a gsoc task for that next time.
20101212 00:55:37< Espreon> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
20101212 00:55:38< shadowmaster> and who will mentor it? you?
20101212 00:55:55< Espreon> A task to convert the help stuff to GUI2... Ha! Good luck.
20101212 00:56:00< shadowmaster> you know well at this point that GUI2 and GSoC aren't really compatible
20101212 00:56:03< shadowmaster> think new lobby
20101212 00:56:09< shadowmaster> Espreon: you can quit the sarcasm now.
20101212 00:56:24< Espreon> Awww...
20101212 00:56:49< Espreon> When that stuff does get converted, I really need a way to control the titles of the ability and weapon special pages.
20101212 00:57:07< Espreon> Unless... someone's willing to put that stuff in now.
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20101212 00:57:49< shadowmaster> if you'd ask me, the help system is a horrid mess which needs to be replaced with a GUI2-based solution written from scratch,with a whole new layout and markup system.
20101212 00:58:15< shadowmaster> I'm speaking from a translator's point of view.
20101212 00:59:01< shadowmaster> the building blocks for getting it right aren't here, yet.
20101212 00:59:55< fendrin> I guess it is a mess to have those <ref>dst='somehting' text='Well'</ref> in there?
20101212 01:00:19< fendrin> Or do they not show up in the to be translated string somehow?
20101212 01:00:20< shadowmaster> one of them is people like eleazar who know what they do in regards to interface design and who don't hesitate to criticize stuff when appropriate.
20101212 01:00:30< shadowmaster> fendrin: the first
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20101212 02:17:04< AI0867> zookeeper: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=469014#p469014
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20101212 02:52:25< CIA-28> ai0867 * r47925 /trunk/data/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a village-overlay terrain to go with castle-overlay and keep-overlay
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20101212 03:53:57< Gambit> So apparently there is no downside to not responding to server pings.
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20101212 05:04:06< iwontbecreative> Are wiki style comments only in /src/gui ?
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20101212 05:17:25< Aurora> I can't submit my work, I get a 500 server error.
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20101212 05:22:34< Aurora> does anyone here have GCI control?
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20101212 09:11:11< zookeeper> AI0867, yeah, i saw that... something for mordante, since i still don't really understand how it works exactly
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20101212 09:38:36< mordante> servus
20101212 09:39:55< mordante> iwontbecreative, it should be @begin{table}{type} and @end{table}
20101212 09:40:10< iwontbecreative> mordante: Ok
20101212 09:40:25< iwontbecreative> Had already converted to start but it's just a search replace :P
20101212 09:40:47< mordante> indeed 
20101212 09:40:54< iwontbecreative> Just one thing, I didn't understood what I should change in the various kind of table functions ?
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20101212 09:42:53< mordante> yeah the old tables often use hardcoded values like foo[one space][a brace if mandatory]bar[another brace if was mandatory]
20101212 09:43:11< mordante> so rather ugly now want to do everything with nice columns
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20101212 09:46:47< iwontbecreative> mordante: Could you give me an example ?
20101212 09:47:11< iwontbecreative> Btw, I made some more cleanup enhancements that remove ~500 char.
20101212 09:49:31< mordante> gui/auxiliary/canvas.cpp:1022 contains a config table where font_size is mandatory
20101212 09:49:51< mordante> the parens are used as separator 
20101212 09:50:31< mordante> and that should become (from the top of my head) id & type & default & description $
20101212 09:50:47< mordante> if default is empty or only whitespace the entry is mandatory
20101212 09:51:17< mordante> Espreon, shadowmaster I seem to find some more Wesnoth time so GUI2 may slowly take up speed again
20101212 09:51:46< mordante> and the help needs to be done, but that will be a huge undertaking, which I don't feel ready for yet
20101212 09:52:11< mordante> first want to improve the lowlevel stuff a bit more
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20101212 09:52:34< iwontbecreative> Ah, think i got it now :)
20101212 09:52:43< mordante> ok :-)
20101212 09:53:22< mordante> didn't wrote too much in the GCI description since I think it's easier to discuss on IRC ;-)
20101212 09:54:04< iwontbecreative> Yep ok
20101212 09:55:14< iwontbecreative> So you want "x (f_unsigned = 0)              The x coordinate of the top left corner." to become "x & f_unsigned & 0  & The x coordinate of the top left corner.
20101212 09:55:22< iwontbecreative> Or am I completly wrong
20101212 09:55:48< mordante> you're totally right
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20101212 09:57:17< iwontbecreative> Nice.
20101212 09:57:18< mordante> iwontbecreative, the wiki comments are indeed only in /src/gui
20101212 09:57:26< iwontbecreative> Also nice :)
20101212 09:57:41< zookeeper> mordante, noticed http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=469014#p469014 (and SM's post at the end)?
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20101212 09:58:26< mordante> iwontbecreative, the idea is to clean up the old stuff and then define some new types to also be able to generated (parts) of the ReferenceWML
20101212 09:58:34< mordante> but that will be another task
20101212 10:00:00< mordante> zookeeper, no didn't notice it
20101212 10:00:14< mordante> will look at it later
20101212 10:03:00< mordante> zookeeper, but maybe we should directly look at how we want the portraits to look exactly in this dialog
20101212 10:03:36< mordante> shadowmaster, around?
20101212 10:08:36< boucman> wesbot: bug 16820
20101212 10:08:36< wesbot> Bug #16820  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20101212 10:08:36< wesbot> Summary: [kill] with fire_event=yes doesn't trigger end of scenario
20101212 10:08:36< wesbot> Original submission: When a player side's leader is [kill]ed with fire_event=y
20101212 10:08:39< wesbot> es, the scenario doesn't end even though it would have if an enemy unit had kill
20101212 10:08:42< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16820
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20101212 10:09:52< boucman> zookeeper: (assuming it's correct) should I commit patch 2241 ?
20101212 10:10:14< boucman> question is wrt what we want to do with WML and possible backward compatibility problems
20101212 10:21:42< zookeeper> boucman, well, if you default to no then there should be no problems, right?
20101212 10:21:46< silene> boucman: it's not correct by the way, check_victory throws exceptions and it shouldn't be called from random places (especially not from wml)
20101212 10:22:58< zookeeper> mordante, yeah. unfortunately i probably won't have any time to spend on figuring that out today
20101212 10:24:56< mordante> zookeeper, ok, then let's look at it another time
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20101212 10:27:22< boucman> silene, zookeeper ok
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20101212 10:28:15< boucman> silene: do you have a suggested check ?
20101212 10:28:32< boucman> could you add a comment and/or assign to yourself patch 2241 ?
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20101212 10:48:40< Ivanovic> moin
20101212 10:48:46< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20101212 10:58:10< iwontbecreative> mordante: So I have to do this for all tables, not just config ones ?
20101212 10:58:32< mordante> iwontbecreative, yes
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20101212 11:05:18< boucman> silene: so, do you have an idea how to handle that ? should we have a sort of defer mechanism to only trigger victory event once the WML is done ?
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20101212 11:17:42< CIA-28> mordante * r47926 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/grid.cpp: 
20101212 11:17:42< CIA-28> Fix wiki comment formatting.
20101212 11:17:42< CIA-28> The extra space caused the text to be shown verbatim instead of creating
20101212 11:17:42< CIA-28> a new heading.
20101212 11:20:31< silene> boucman: that's exactly what check_victory does; it's the function that handle the deferred victory; it just means that it isn't called as often as it should
20101212 11:25:40< silene> currently, if i remember correctly, it's called after each attack and at the end of each side turn
20101212 11:35:58< boucman> ok, i'm confused, so why can't check_victory be called from WML ?
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20101212 12:06:30< silene> boucman: the engine is not exception-safe and WML can be executed from various places; a quick grep shows there are at least 50 such places; that's why the victory is delayed
20101212 12:07:15< boucman> ok, I understand that, but if check_victory is in charge of delaying, why is it wrong to use it in WML handlers ?
20101212 12:07:40< boucman> you said that the patch was incorrect because it used check_victory in WML handling, or did I misunderstand you ?
20101212 12:07:41< silene> boucman: you misunderstand, check_victory doesn't delay, it's the function called to execute a delayed victory
20101212 12:07:54< boucman> oh, ok, got it now...
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20101212 12:10:03< silene> back to zookeeper's original report, he indirectly complains that check_victory is not called after the user/ai/replay moved a unit, which is true
20101212 12:10:55< silene> it might be easy to fix, or it might not (it might all come down to things like delayed shroud updates, as always)
20101212 12:12:46< boucman> silene: could you comment on the patch plz ? I'm not sure how to direct the OP at this point...
20101212 12:13:32< silene> i will
20101212 12:13:43< boucman> thx
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20101212 16:13:23< CIA-28> elias * r47927 /trunk/data/tools/wmlunits: [wmlunits] fix two minor issues
20101212 16:36:11< CIA-28> elias * r47928 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/blacklist.py: [wmlunits] Fixed issue with old-style .cfg files in user add-on parse-test script.
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20101212 17:22:49< CIA-28> elias * r47929 /trunk/data/tools/ (wesnoth/blacklist.py wmlunits): [wmlunits] Try to make it robust enough again to survive user-made WML.
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20101212 17:41:20< laurion> Hello! I would like to speak with Iurii Chernyi, I'm a contestant at Google Code-in
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20101212 17:43:14< laurion> and he is the mentor for my task
20101212 17:43:21< mordante> laurion, he's not here at the moment 
20101212 17:43:28< mordante> wesbot, seen Crab_
20101212 17:43:28< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 20h 12m ago.  19h 51m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20101212 17:44:08< mordante> can somebody else help you?
20101212 17:44:14< laurion> Do you know how can I contact him?
20101212 17:44:30< laurion> I don't think so
20101212 17:45:07< mordante> he tends to hang around here a lot so best hang around and wait for Crab_ to join
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20101212 17:47:14< laurion> ok
20101212 17:47:22< laurion> thanks
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20101212 18:36:07< timotei> does anyone know what's better: Github or gitorious?
20101212 18:36:13< timotei> mordante, shadowmaster ^
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20101212 18:39:07< mordante> timotei, no idea haven't used both of them
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20101212 19:10:40< iwontbecreative> I used github, it worked well enough :)
20101212 19:13:09< iwontbecreative> I'll be afk for ~2 hours - TGT tournament
20101212 19:16:07< Grimling> can break; be used in a boost_foreach?
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20101212 19:20:37< mordante> Grimling, yes and continue as well
20101212 19:20:56< Grimling> mordante:  thank you
20101212 19:21:07< mordante> you're welcome
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20101212 19:51:43< Espreon> mordante: Excellent.
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20101212 20:09:25< CIA-28> mordante * r47931 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20101212 20:09:25< CIA-28> Handle application window activation.
20101212 20:09:25< CIA-28> This detects the mouse button state upon activation and avoids the
20101212 20:09:25< CIA-28> messages regarding missed clicks.
20101212 20:09:26< CIA-28> mordante * r47930 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.hpp: Fix access modification due to ifdef.
20101212 20:13:01< CIA-28> mordante * r47932 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 4 dirs): 
20101212 20:13:01< CIA-28> Readd some recently removed functions.
20101212 20:13:01< CIA-28> These functions are still used local branches thus still required. It's also
20101212 20:13:01< CIA-28> part of the WIP GUI2 project.
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20101212 20:25:11< shadowmaster> mordante: a'square
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20101212 21:46:14< mordante> shadowmaster, still around?
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20101212 22:08:22< shadowmaster> mordante: yes
20101212 22:09:12< mordante> shadowmaster, boucman likes to use the wiki_grabber tool to generate more parts of the wiki contents
20101212 22:09:43< mordante> of course normally wikis are great for manual editing, but if there's a tool dropping its output 
20101212 22:09:50< mordante> the manual changes are lost
20101212 22:10:18< mordante> so how easy would it be to lock certain pages or make them only available for certain users?
20101212 22:10:41< shadowmaster> do I look like a MW expert to you? ;)
20101212 22:10:57< mordante> yes
20101212 22:11:08< timotei> MW?
20101212 22:11:13< timotei> shadowmaster: define MW?
20101212 22:11:23< mordante> MediaWiki
20101212 22:11:25< timotei> shadowmaster: and you're expert in many things :P
20101212 22:11:31< shadowmaster> it's probably feasible, since wikipedia does it on controversial subjects.
20101212 22:11:41< shadowmaster> but of course, I'm no MW expert.
20101212 22:11:50< shadowmaster> I only see a shiny Protect link at the bottom.
20101212 22:12:40< shadowmaster> if you don't see it then I guess I need to add you to the sysops group
20101212 22:12:55< boucman> mordante: loonycyborg was the one who did wiki stuff iirc
20101212 22:13:10< mordante> boucman, ah ok I thought shadowmaster was
20101212 22:13:34< loonycyborg> No. I wasn't
20101212 22:13:41< timotei> lol
20101212 22:13:42< shadowmaster> mordante: try now.
20101212 22:13:47< timotei> I think Crab_ was:)
20101212 22:13:51< loonycyborg> Yes.
20101212 22:14:13< mordante> shadowmaster, indeed I now have the protect link 
20101212 22:15:09< shadowmaster> good ;)
20101212 22:15:35< mordante> and when I protect a page I or another sysop can still change it?
20101212 22:15:59< iwontbecreative> yes
20101212 22:16:09< iwontbecreative> at least wikipedia does it
20101212 22:16:30< mordante> ok good to know
20101212 22:16:44< shadowmaster> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Protecting_and_unprotecting_pages
20101212 22:17:07< shadowmaster> not horribly helpful -- gah, more of those personal appeal banners
20101212 22:17:44< mordante> thanks
20101212 22:17:48 * shadowmaster goes back into afk mode
20101212 22:19:23< iwontbecreative> shadowmaster: http://www.todaylocalheadlines.com/18013/chrome-extension-lets-you-just-add-jimmy-wales.html
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20101212 22:22:17< mordante> I'm off night
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20101212 22:29:32< stikonas> Ivanovic: Hi, do you know what "AwaitingRegistration" status means in GCI? I've marked task as done but it has not been marked as complete.
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20101212 22:47:05< Ivanovic> stikonas: the student needs a task that is done before they can finish registration
20101212 22:47:32< Ivanovic> stikonas: it means that you don't have to do anything and the student still has to register "finally" to make the task count for them
20101212 22:47:34< stikonas> then it is up to the student
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20101212 23:08:14< grzywacz> hm
20101212 23:08:40< grzywacz> Is there an official/unofficial maintainer of wesnothd?
20101212 23:09:44< boucman> I don't think so...
20101212 23:10:34< grzywacz> So nobody will complain if I start messing with it? Good. ;)
20101212 23:10:40< boucman> hehe
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20101212 23:14:10< Ivanovic> grzywacz: hmm, Soliton might complain if the mp server ain't working no more..
20101212 23:14:24< grzywacz> Ivanovic, no worries, I'll do my best not to break it. :P
20101212 23:14:46< Ivanovic> :)
20101212 23:15:04< grzywacz> And if I do, I'll only break trunk. ;>
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