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20101214 03:08:48< [Relic]> Hello :)
20101214 04:13:23< CIA-28> espreon * r47935 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/village/village-overlay-editor.png: Ran umcpropfix.
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20101214 06:02:26< isionous> is there any document that gives an overview of what is sent back and forth during a network game?
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20101214 08:33:50< zookeeper> what a helpful bug report: http://gna.org/bugs/?17307
20101214 08:34:12< zookeeper> anyone have any idea what that's about?
20101214 08:36:05< Cookiee> lol 
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20101214 08:48:01< cjhopman> zookeeper: It looks like grammar errors to me... though I can't figure out some of them
20101214 08:48:31< Cookiee> maybe they left out fullstops
20101214 08:48:31< Cookiee> xD
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20101214 08:51:26< CIA-28> silene * r47936 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 4 dirs): Reverted r47932. The code has been there for months if not years, and it has never been used. Add it only the day it is actually useful, as it currently bloats compilation for everyone with no benefit at all.
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20101214 10:11:55< Ivanovic> moin
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20101214 11:41:14< Ivanovic> btw i sent kylepoole a pm about the thread in release announcements and compilation where some people mention probs with building the ipad version
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20101214 18:43:28< iwontbecreative> wesbot: seen mordante
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20101214 19:01:27< mordante> servus
20101214 19:01:35< mordante> wesbot, seen silene
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20101214 19:02:01< mordante> silene I asked you before not to remove GUI2 since it hampers my development
20101214 19:02:19< mordante> then please don't react and continue to remove my code
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20101214 19:03:04< mordante> iwontbecreative, you were looking for me?
20101214 19:03:12< iwontbecreative> Yes
20101214 19:03:21< iwontbecreative>  I made all regex
20101214 19:03:26< iwontbecreative> And converted all gui files
20101214 19:03:32< iwontbecreative>  Except for the one you had started
20101214 19:03:38< mordante> nice :-)
20101214 19:03:47< mordante> is there a problem with that file?
20101214 19:03:51< iwontbecreative> Because there was no comment to know how should the info be given
20101214 19:04:09< mordante> ?
20101214 19:04:14< iwontbecreative> Also I didn't convert container
20101214 19:04:27< iwontbecreative> I'll put on what I've already done
20101214 19:05:46< iwontbecreative> It's quite long: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/AmaAWHtB
20101214 19:06:15< iwontbecreative> The changes to wiki_grabber.py are in the end
20101214 19:06:32< iwontbecreative> You can see that I didn't converted all types of table
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20101214 19:06:50< iwontbecreative> container is deprecated so I'm not sure what to do (They are 2 containers in all files.)
20101214 19:07:10< iwontbecreative> And dialog_widgets was started by you, and I don't know in which format you want it to be
20101214 19:08:04< mordante> the dialog widgets only need to change from @begin{table}[dialog_widgets] to @begin{table}{dialog_widgets}
20101214 19:08:25< mordante> and the deprecated container should have comment which container to change to
20101214 19:09:40< iwontbecreative> ok
20101214 19:09:51< iwontbecreative> Changes to wiki_grabber.py look correct to you ?
20101214 19:09:56< CIA-46> mordante * r47937 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 4 dirs): Revert r47936.
20101214 19:10:00< iwontbecreative>  I removed some hacky thiings
20101214 19:10:14< iwontbecreative> And used python library instead
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20101214 19:12:06< iwontbecreative> I always used very restricted rules
20101214 19:12:15< mordante> iwontbecreative, in general don't mix changes you have some cleanups to the wiki_grabber and a conversion to a new format
20101214 19:12:25< mordante> in general a commit should do one thing
20101214 19:12:46< iwontbecreative> Yeah, I'll remove that in final diff then
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20101214 19:13:08< mordante> ok, then please submit is as a separate patch
20101214 19:13:11< iwontbecreative>  Btw, I made my regexes very restricted, because I tought it would be better
20101214 19:13:50< iwontbecreative> It forces the comments to be written in a nice way
20101214 19:13:57< iwontbecreative>  But I can change it, it's not hard
20101214 19:16:15< mordante> are you sure \w matches the same as (?:[a-z]|[A-Z])(?:[a-z]|[A-Z]|[0-9]|_)* ?
20101214 19:18:43< mordante> it's not the same \w == [a-zA-Z0-9_]
20101214 19:20:10< mordante> also your other \w change will probably break on special characters in a string eg x + h <= h_tot
20101214 19:20:30< iwontbecreative> i asked here and C++ variables can be [a-zA-Z0-9_]
20101214 19:20:35< iwontbecreative> Should be ok
20101214 19:21:31< mordante> 4ever is not a C++ variable
20101214 19:22:34< mordante> the previous regex can probable be written as [a-zA-z]\w*
20101214 19:22:53< mordante> that should read [a-zA-Z]\w* 
20101214 19:23:40< iwontbecreative> Why not \w\w*
20101214 19:23:46< iwontbecreative> Ah I see
20101214 19:23:52< iwontbecreative> No leading numbers underscores
20101214 19:23:58< mordante> exactly
20101214 19:24:16< mordante> also \w\w* can be rewritten as \w+ 
20101214 19:25:12< iwontbecreative> Right
20101214 19:27:26< Soliton> mordante, silene: kindly discuss the issue about unused functionality in trunk *conclusively* *before* continuing this ridiculous commit war.
20101214 19:29:25< iwontbecreative> mordante: "Use the grid instead": Where can I see an example from a grid ?"
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20101214 19:32:02< mordante> iwontbecreative, your patch also makes the alignment somewhat ugly at a few places
20101214 19:32:21< iwontbecreative> Yep, I said it wasn't finished
20101214 19:32:27< iwontbecreative> It also bugs with some of the doc
20101214 19:33:13< mordante> also there should be whitespace between a text and a ampersand, but the amount can differ at least one, but may be more, maybe best use the \s flag
20101214 19:33:26< mordante> brb
20101214 19:34:41< iwontbecreative> That's what i asked about restrictive rules of the regex
20101214 19:34:54< iwontbecreative> Seems it bugs because config needs a default value
20101214 19:34:59< iwontbecreative> But it should be mandatory
20101214 19:35:02< CIA-46> eleazar * r47938 /trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs): commited doofus' transitions for wood floor.
20101214 19:35:19< iwontbecreative> If you can help me with this it would be nice
20101214 19:35:40< iwontbecreative> I understand better regexes than I did at start, but just "?" doesn't work :P
20101214 19:43:06< mordante> Soliton, that's why I pinged him, but that code removal breaks local stuff and causes several merge conflicts
20101214 19:43:22< mordante> Soliton, so I don't want to waste time on it again
20101214 19:47:25< mordante> iwontbecreative, it seems there's no grid table but should be a dialog_widget table
20101214 19:47:52< iwontbecreative> So if I just convert the name it should work out of the box ?
20101214 19:48:01< iwontbecreative> Or i must change what's in aswell ?
20101214 19:48:22< mordante> no the format in the cpp source file also needs to be change
20101214 19:49:16< mordante> the blank for a mandatory value can have whitespace
20101214 19:49:52< mordante> since a string is between double quotes an empty string default is »""« and a mandatory string is »«
20101214 19:50:36< iwontbecreative> Yes, but default values can also be other things, no ?
20101214 19:51:57< mordante> yes but boolean defaults to true or false a number to some number an enumerate to some value etc
20101214 19:52:38< iwontbecreative> An align can default to "right"
20101214 19:52:43< mordante> so if only whitespace the field is mandatory else defaults to what's between the ampersands stripped of leading and trailing whitespace
20101214 19:52:55< mordante> align is an enumerate ;-)
20101214 19:53:15< mordante> (at least that's what I meant with enumerate here)
20101214 19:54:03< iwontbecreative> Actually this is what i have as regex: "([A-Za-z]\w*) & ([A-Za-z]\w*) & *(.*) & *(.*)\$"
20101214 19:54:20< iwontbecreative> But this doesn't work for mandatory
20101214 19:54:56< iwontbecreative> Maybe I can use the same syntax as in dialog widgets
20101214 19:56:35< iwontbecreative> Looks like I can't
20101214 19:59:04< mordante> and what about »([A-Za-z]\w*) & ([A-Za-z]\w*) & *(?:(.*)|) & *(.*)\$« ?
20101214 20:00:08< iwontbecreative> Nope
20101214 20:00:18< mordante> dinner's ready so afk for a while
20101214 20:05:35< Soliton> mordante: instead everyone else wastes time on unused code. i think you need to come up with a more convincing argument.
20101214 20:09:18< Soliton> iwontbecreative: what's this " *(.*) " supposed to all match?
20101214 20:10:34< iwontbecreative> Default value can be anything, no ?
20101214 20:10:43< iwontbecreative> Or you mean the last one ?
20101214 20:11:50< Soliton> i have no idea what can be what, that's why i'm asking.
20101214 20:12:17< Soliton> ".*" would be anything indeed though.
20101214 20:13:28< iwontbecreative> Yes, I want to left the trailing whitespaces outside: " *"
20101214 20:13:46< iwontbecreative> Then i want to cathc everything "(.*)" for the description
20101214 20:13:58< iwontbecreative> And then I stop catching with \$
20101214 20:15:02< iwontbecreative> But the syntax is like this: variable & variable_type (& optional_default_value) & description
20101214 20:15:12< iwontbecreative> With an $ in the end
20101214 20:15:19< Soliton> ah, i see.
20101214 20:15:20< iwontbecreative> That's what my regex should catch
20101214 20:16:07< iwontbecreative> But I have problems with (& optional_default_value)
20101214 20:17:15< iwontbecreative> Because I actually have this ["var", "var_type", "default_value", "description"] if there's a default value
20101214 20:17:37< iwontbecreative> and ["var", "var_type", "description"] if there's no default value
20101214 20:18:14< iwontbecreative> So when the script later want to catch the 4th element of that list, there isn't any and python trows an exception :P
20101214 20:19:04< Soliton> surely & is not allowed in values?
20101214 20:19:23< iwontbecreative> In default values ?
20101214 20:19:27< iwontbecreative> No.
20101214 20:19:34< iwontbecreative> But in description it is I think
20101214 20:20:07< Soliton> not solvable then.
20101214 20:21:37< iwontbecreative> I have an idea
20101214 20:23:13< Soliton> if & were not allowed it would be something like: "... & *(([^&]*) *& *([^&]*) \$|([^&]*) \$)"
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20101214 21:03:21< mordante> Soliton, wtf I was not aware we had the rule code needs to be used in X days
20101214 21:05:00< mordante> iwontbecreative, a mandatory field still has the ampersand, which is the field separator
20101214 21:05:31< Soliton> indeed we do not make all common sense rules explicit.
20101214 21:15:23< iwontbecreative> Mordante: I can make it work but then I have a problem later on
20101214 21:16:28< mordante> iwontbecreative, what problem? 
20101214 21:16:51< iwontbecreative> The formatting requires the list to have 4 arugements
20101214 21:17:16< iwontbecreative> And it has only 3 if no default_value
20101214 21:17:25< mordante> ?
20101214 21:17:26< iwontbecreative> Could change the script, but not sure that's ok
20101214 21:17:55< mordante> with default »id & type & default value & description $«
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20101214 21:18:14< mordante> mandatory »id & type & & description $«
20101214 21:18:50< iwontbecreative> No
20101214 21:18:57< iwontbecreative> Later change the script
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20101214 21:21:05< mordante> ?
20101214 21:21:17< iwontbecreative> I really need help for that mandatory field
20101214 21:24:21< iwontbecreative> Python channel guys don't know
20101214 21:24:59< mordante> O_O ok 
20101214 21:25:33< mordante> btw I even think (.*) should work since it matches zero or more times .
20101214 21:26:05< mordante> but not sure about the greedyness rules
20101214 21:26:45< mordante> the orignal source uses (.*?) so that might switch the greedyness
20101214 21:27:50< mordante> yup .*? does a non-greedy match
20101214 21:27:56< iwontbecreative> Someone not stupid in the python channel
20101214 21:28:11< iwontbecreative> Abotu splitting at & 
20101214 21:28:26< iwontbecreative> and using some regexes then
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20101214 21:30:04< mordante> might also work only I thought a regex would be easier for these cases...
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20101214 21:34:44< mordante> iwontbecreative, I'll be leaving soon, do you need another extension or do you think you manage before the deadline?
20101214 21:34:57< iwontbecreative> Well, I can't do it without this
20101214 21:35:15< iwontbecreative> I mean I need to find a way to get that regex working
20101214 21:35:37< mordante> did you try with the (.*?) ?
20101214 21:36:08< iwontbecreative> yes, doesn't work
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20101214 21:38:41< mordante> iwontbecreative, can you post your regex and the input string that fails, maybe I can have a quick look before I have to leave
20101214 21:39:50< iwontbecreative> ([A-Za-z]\w*) & ([A-Za-z]\w*) & *(.*?) & *(.*)\$   [I have other regexes but that was the best one so far.]
20101214 21:40:14< iwontbecreative> any input that is e.g: variable & type &           description $
20101214 21:41:54< mordante> the input is wrong, it misses an ampersand it should be: variable & type & &           description $
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20101214 21:42:48< iwontbecreative> Ah, should work then
20101214 21:43:01< iwontbecreative>  Tought it wasn't like that
20101214 21:43:07< iwontbecreative> Then there's no p
20101214 21:43:10< iwontbecreative> Should manage in time
20101214 21:43:18< iwontbecreative>  I'll post it as wip aniway
20101214 21:43:47< mordante> ok good, btw I already mentioned the ampersand problem about half an hour ago ;-)
20101214 21:44:01< mordante> then good luck and I'll have a look tomorrow
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20101214 21:46:22< mordante> I'm off night
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20101214 21:56:30< Soliton> there is no reason for some hacky "(.*?)" if you can just do "([^&]*)".
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20101214 21:59:18< iwontbecreative> Soliton: that's what I did in my code ;)
20101214 21:59:46< Soliton> excellent.
20101214 22:00:36< iwontbecreative> 31 minutes :P
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20101214 22:33:34< iwontbecreative> Hehe, posted a [nearly] good patch 10 mins before the final deadline :P
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20101214 22:59:22< laurion> hello
20101214 22:59:45< laurion> does anybody know how can i contact Iurii Chernyi??
20101214 23:00:04< Espreon> laurion: Simply wait for the one known as Crab_ to arrive.
20101214 23:00:09< Ivanovic> laurion: you just wait in here until crab_ is around
20101214 23:00:31< Ivanovic> (or writesomething while mentioning his nick so that he sees it when reading over the logs)
20101214 23:00:56< laurion> I am kind of trying to speak with mr. Iurii Chernyi for several days...
20101214 23:01:12< iwontbecreative> He usually connects before you
20101214 23:01:25< iwontbecreative> It's about GCI ?
20101214 23:01:29< laurion> yes
20101214 23:01:29< Ivanovic> like Espreon and i already said, he tends to be around in here several times per day and does read the logs
20101214 23:01:52< iwontbecreative> laurion: Playtesting ?
20101214 23:02:01< laurion> yes, HttT
20101214 23:02:18< iwontbecreative> He usually reviews those quite quickly
20101214 23:02:24< iwontbecreative> But HttT is very long
20101214 23:02:32< laurion> I submitted my work and I don't know if it is OK
20101214 23:02:48< iwontbecreative> Link ?
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20101214 23:03:29< laurion> http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/wesnoth/t129047209629
20101214 23:05:16< iwontbecreative> Looks like you've got all saves and commented for each scenario
20101214 23:05:31< laurion> I'm new to freenode...I have to say something like Crab_: so he sees i tried to speak with him?
20101214 23:05:36< iwontbecreative> Should be ok, even if sometimes comments are a bit short
20101214 23:05:45< iwontbecreative> Well,  it's done now
20101214 23:06:01< iwontbecreative> If he reads the log he'll see it
20101214 23:06:20< iwontbecreative> wesbot: seen Crab_
20101214 23:06:20< wesbot> iwontbecreative: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 3d 1h ago.  1h 30m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20101214 23:06:51< laurion> the task is done you mean?
20101214 23:07:10< iwontbecreative>  I'm not Crab_ but it looks like you followed the instructions
20101214 23:09:25< iwontbecreative> Maybe a PM in the forum can work aswell
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20101214 23:11:35< laurion> can you give me a link? i dont know his username
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20101214 23:15:13< iwontbecreative> http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=113633
20101214 23:15:27< laurion> thank you
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