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20101215 00:07:58< laurion> wesbot: seen Crab_
20101215 00:07:58< wesbot> laurion: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 3d 2h ago.  2h 31m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20101215 00:51:19< CIA-46> anonymissimus * r47939 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/about.cfg data/lua/wml-tags.lua): new action tag [harm_unit] (patch #2230 by Elvish_Hunter)
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20101215 01:05:39< laurion> wesbot: seen Crab_
20101215 01:05:39< wesbot> laurion: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 3d 3h ago.  3h 29m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20101215 01:42:37< Ivanovic> laurion: for the moment just assume that crab_ is asleep and he will react "some time soon"
20101215 01:42:53< Ivanovic> you'll either see a reply right in your task or you can check the logs of this chan
20101215 01:43:10< Ivanovic> don't worry and relax, asking wesbot if crab_ is around won't change a thing
20101215 01:43:18< Ivanovic> off to bed now, n8
20101215 01:45:45< laurion> you're right but i have been waiting for several days...and i want to do other tasks...
20101215 01:46:09< laurion> I finished the playtest even before he accepted my claim:D
20101215 01:46:52< laurion> and after he accepted i submitted my work and I expected to be verified faster
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20101215 05:28:57-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 198 bugs, 305 feature requests, 21 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20101215 05:48:06< Crab_> isionous: check http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MultiplayerServerWML
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20101215 07:32:27< zookeeper> Crab_, laurion has been looking for you a lot.
20101215 07:33:00< Crab_> zookeeper: thanks. I've looked at his work already today.
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20101215 10:12:36< Ivanovic> moin
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20101215 14:21:51< rigved> hi everyone
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20101215 14:23:08< rigved> if i wanted to compile the code in developer mode, so that i can see all the warnings and errors as they come and go, then should i use build=debug when compiling using scons?
20101215 14:27:41< loonycyborg> build=debug is only for compiling with debug symbols which are useful only in gdb.
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20101215 14:28:29< loonycyborg> Wesnoth itself has a command line switch to make it print more messages.
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20101215 14:29:25< rigved> loonycyborg: so i should run it from the CLI?
20101215 14:29:25< loonycyborg> E.g. you can try ./wesnoth --log-debug=all
20101215 14:29:40< rigved> loonycyborg: ok. thanx
20101215 14:30:23< rigved> loonycyborg: and i will compile only in the normal mode then rite?
20101215 14:31:02< loonycyborg> Yes. It's orthogonal to debug symbols.
20101215 14:31:33< rigved> loonycyborg: ok. what do you guys do, in case you want to test new code?
20101215 14:31:44< rigved> loonycyborg: is this on the wiki?
20101215 14:31:47< loonycyborg> Just test it? :P
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20101215 14:32:24< rigved> loonycyborg: like in game or test the file seperately?
20101215 14:33:37< loonycyborg> What do you mean as 'separately'?
20101215 14:34:22< loonycyborg> Naturally trying the new code right in game just like it's intended to be used is preferred,
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20101215 14:36:09< rigved> loonycyborg: what i meant was test the file using a unit test case or just compile the game again and run it?
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20101215 14:49:08< loonycyborg> rigved: There is a test suite but generally the latter way is used.
20101215 14:49:38< rigved> loonycyborg: ok. thanx again. :)
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20101215 17:00:43< Grimling> I've tried to fix the 'passive-leader' bug, but I don't know if I have everything  implemented, is there someone who can help me with it?
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20101215 17:06:23< rigved> should i install libasio or is there some other boost-asio package that is not present in Software Center (ubuntu 10.04)
20101215 17:07:58< rigved> Grimling: i would like to help you but i'm going for dinner right now. when i come back maybe i could help but not so good with programming.
20101215 17:09:34< Grimling> rigved:  I don't think the programming will be a problem, it's more that I'm not completely sure about the effect of the tag
20101215 17:09:55< rigved> Grimling: ok.
20101215 17:10:25< rigved> Grimling: i have read some stuff about the problem. the passive leader moves when it's not supposed
20101215 17:11:10< Grimling> rigved: yes, that's it
20101215 17:11:26< zookeeper> Grimling, Crab_ would be the right person
20101215 17:12:28< zookeeper> (you can check the irclogs for his usual online times, i think he's here only a rather small part of the day)
20101215 17:12:32< Grimling> zookeeper:  yes, I know, but because of the exams at school, I can't stay up as late as other times, so I seem to miss him each time
20101215 17:12:37< zookeeper> oh, right
20101215 17:12:51< zookeeper> not sure who else knows about that stuff
20101215 17:13:17< rigved> Grimling: yes, Crab_ would be the right person. what do you need me to do? again not sure if i can help but i have free time
20101215 17:13:24< Grimling> zookeeper:  no problem, thank you
20101215 17:13:34< AI0867> figure out why passive_leaders sometimes move
20101215 17:13:37< AI0867> then stop them from doing that
20101215 17:13:45< rigved> Crab_ said that he'll be free by 20 Dec
20101215 17:13:51< rigved> ok
20101215 17:14:20< Grimling> rigved:  well, I'd like to know precisely what the passive_leaders do: do they need to move as less as possible?
20101215 17:14:55< AI0867> they should stay on a keep
20101215 17:14:56< Grimling> I've added code for the healing phase, aspect_attacks, retreat_phase, aspect_recruitment_phase
20101215 17:14:58< AI0867> or move to one
20101215 17:15:16< Grimling> AI0867:  ok, is that the only thing?
20101215 17:15:21< AI0867> I think so
20101215 17:15:24< AI0867> they wiki may tell you more
20101215 17:15:28< Grimling> AI0867:  ok, thank you
20101215 17:15:37< zookeeper> AI0867, does that mean they should only move to a keep they can reach in one turn?
20101215 17:15:47< AI0867> zookeeper: not sure
20101215 17:16:01< zookeeper> in liberty:5, the passive leader which moves doesn't start anywhere near a keep
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20101215 17:17:12< AI0867>     *  passive_leader=no: (bool) if 'yes' the AI leader will never move or attack, except to obey [leader_goal]s. 
20101215 17:17:14< AI0867>     * passive_leader_shares_keep=no: (bool) (This feature was implemented in 1.7) if 'yes', sets passive_leader=yes, but the AI leader will move 1 hex from the keep to share keep with allied players (if they can reach keep next turn), and will return to keep to recruit. 
20101215 17:17:20< AI0867> this is the only specified behavior
20101215 17:17:38< Grimling> AI0867:  ok, thanks
20101215 17:17:49< Grimling> so a passive leader should recruit?
20101215 17:18:41< rigved> Grimling: i'm going for dinner. will come back and see if i can help.
20101215 17:18:50< Grimling> rigved:  ok, thank you
20101215 17:19:09< AI0867> Grimling: yes, but it should also stay safe
20101215 17:19:11< AI0867> that's the main goal
20101215 17:19:19< AI0867> avoiding suicidal idiots
20101215 17:19:28< AI0867> where safe == on keep
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20101215 17:20:30< zookeeper> but note that there isn't necessarily any keep(s)
20101215 17:20:49< zookeeper> the leader can be a solo unit which just isn't supposed to move at all
20101215 17:20:54< zookeeper> or do anything else
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20101215 17:21:13< AI0867> Grimling: ^
20101215 17:22:02< Grimling> zookeeper:  ok, and if there's a keep, but it is far away, the leader should just stay on his place?
20101215 17:22:10< AI0867> if you think the wiki's unclear on these issues, feel free to fix that
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20101215 17:23:47< Grimling> AI0867:  the problem is that I'm not that familiar with wesnoth, so I don't know what it should be
20101215 17:24:03< zookeeper> Grimling, IMO yes. there's (almost) always a keep _somewhere_, so passive leaders which would try to get on even faraway keeps would be pretty useless...
20101215 17:24:36< zookeeper> of course it'd be even better if we had an option for both ;)
20101215 17:26:14< zookeeper> ideally i'd like a simple way to tell single units to stand still and never move; if we had that then i guess passive_leader=yes could allow more actions for the leader (like moving to a keep or to heal, etc)
20101215 17:27:57< zookeeper> its primary use is to make leaders not join the fight and make easy targets of themselves, it's usually not necessary or desirable for them to be completely immobile
20101215 17:29:22< zookeeper> however, there's no simple and convenient way to make a unit completely immobile, so passive_leader=yes is sometimes used for that...
20101215 17:29:25< iwontbecreative> About something that was asked before: Even if a leader can reach a keep in one turn and then stay on that keep, you have to remember of ambush
20101215 17:29:57< zookeeper> true
20101215 17:30:06< iwontbecreative> So passive_leader shouldn't even take a "safe" keep, unless you check that it's not night, there's no trees, no deep water, no vills...
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20101215 17:41:07< laurion> excuse me
20101215 17:41:37< laurion> how can I choose the branch of scenario 19 in HttT?
20101215 17:42:02< laurion> The game takes me automatically to the 19A branch
20101215 17:43:30< AI0867> laurion: you're using :n ?
20101215 17:43:35< laurion> no
20101215 17:43:42< AI0867> you killed one of the leaders?
20101215 17:43:49< laurion> yes
20101215 17:43:54< AI0867> in that case, kill the other one instead. I believe delfador says as much
20101215 17:44:12< laurion> but there are 3 branches
20101215 17:44:18< AI0867> the third is 'hidden'
20101215 17:44:25< AI0867> you have to use merfolk
20101215 17:44:35< AI0867> it's also insanely difficult
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20101215 17:56:20< laurion> AI0867: thank you very much
20101215 18:00:58< Grimling> AI0867:  will there be dutch translation tasks for the GCI?
20101215 18:01:17< AI0867> planning on it
20101215 18:01:22< AI0867> but haven't had the time to define them yet
20101215 18:01:29< AI0867> poke me tomorrow
20101215 18:02:24< Grimling> AI0867:  no hurry :p
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20101215 18:02:44< Grimling> afk now
20101215 18:03:46< AI0867> tomorrow I should have time
20101215 18:03:53< AI0867> I won't have any this weekend
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20101215 18:35:39< Grimling> back
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20101215 18:50:58< anonymissimus> fendrin: your encylopedia stuff messed up wmllint badly; namely the spellcheck
20101215 18:51:45< fendrin> anonymissimus: Thank you, I will have a look at it soon.
20101215 18:52:28< anonymissimus> is there any quick fix to disable checking of core stuff or so ?
20101215 18:53:34< anonymissimus> just running on my addons and overlooking the important messages :P
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20101215 18:57:47< fendrin> anonymissimus: Yes, you can say #wmllint check-off (or similar)
20101215 18:57:58< fendrin> and #wmllint check-on later in the file
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20101215 19:03:18< shadowmaster> fendrin: wmllint:
20101215 19:03:32< boucman> hey all
20101215 19:03:53< shadowmaster> hi boucman 
20101215 19:03:59< fendrin> anonymissimus: please see shadowmaster remark.
20101215 19:04:10< fendrin> hi boucman
20101215 19:06:50< anonymissimus> where's shadoqmaster's remark ?
20101215 19:07:19< anonymissimus> and no, there's no global ignore directive; only for special cases such as unbalanced etc
20101215 19:07:53< anonymissimus> (although I need such a directice for whenever esr refuses to do something about a certain problem ;))
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20101215 19:49:41< fendrin> anonymissimus:    #wmllint: validate-off
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20101215 19:50:56< anonymissimus> "disable stack-based malformation checks"
20101215 19:51:57< anonymissimus> doesn't seem a general ignore directive
20101215 19:53:57< fendrin> hmmm
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20101215 20:24:29< grzywacz> hi
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20101215 20:29:36< Grimling> is it possible to compile new code and check it for syntax errors without compiling and building everything?
20101215 20:30:02< grzywacz> Wesnoth?
20101215 20:30:30< grzywacz> scons/cmake should handle any changes just fine and rebuild only what needs to be rebuilt.
20101215 20:31:08< Grimling> grzywacz:  yex, wesnoth, what's the command then? 'cmake' ?
20101215 20:31:16< shadowmaster> make
20101215 20:31:23< grzywacz> Grimling, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnoth
20101215 20:31:47< Grimling> I run make, but there's first mo-update, 'built target mo-update', 'updating revision' etc
20101215 20:32:13< grzywacz> That happens only once.
20101215 20:33:03< Grimling> maybe i should reinstall cmake?
20101215 20:35:37< grzywacz> No, I don't think so.
20101215 20:39:02< Grimling> grzywacz:  when it's ready with building, I'll re-make it, then it shouldn't do anything i guess
20101215 20:39:38< grzywacz> Grimling, it shouldn't rebuild anything. It can still do something else. :)
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20101215 20:40:04< Grimling> grzywacz:  what can it do then?
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20101215 20:40:42< grzywacz> Grimling, determine if something needs to be rebuilt.
20101215 20:41:08< Grimling> grzywacz: but that shouldn't take much time?
20101215 20:41:20< grzywacz> Grimling, nope, a few seconds at most.
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20101215 20:41:56< Grimling> It was ready compiling/building/linking, i ran make, and it's 'updating revision'
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20101215 20:45:09< Grimling> anyway, is there a scenario with passive_leader=yes where the leader doesn't start on a keep?
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20101215 22:37:56< Crab_> laurion: hello
20101215 22:38:25< laurion> Crab_: hello
20101215 22:39:42< laurion> Is there anything I have to do for that gci task?
20101215 22:39:44< laurion> HttT Beginner
20101215 22:40:31< Crab_> I'm reading the wiki page you've done at the moment, looking at your today's changes 
20101215 22:44:44< Crab_> thanks. no, nothing else to do, I'm just marked it as complete. not that I'm fully happy with the result (as we value good feedback on the scenarios, and you've said a lot of repeated things not directly related to the scenarios themselves), but at least now everything was playtested.
20101215 22:46:59< isionous> Crab_, thanks for the link
20101215 22:47:09< Crab_> :)
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20101215 23:32:32< iwontbecreative> Ok, off for tonight :)
20101215 23:32:37< iwontbecreative> Good night
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