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20101216 00:00:21< laurion> Crab_: sorry that I didn't give such a good feedback on the scenarios, but I played them about a week ago while I was waiting for another task to be checked and I didn't remember quite well...
20101216 00:00:32< laurion> Crab_:When I played them I only took notes on the grades I would give to each scenario to those questions, not very detailed comments because I didn't really lnow what to suggest
20101216 00:01:09< Crab_> well, what we value is the opinion on the scenario, which talks about scenario specific bad things and good things 
20101216 00:02:43< Crab_> but it wasn't bad - there were many scenarios, and all were tested,- so, overall, thanks for the help in playtesting :)
20101216 00:02:44< laurion> In general, in this campaign, things were quite liniar and not much that I could give feedback about
20101216 00:02:58< laurion> you're welcome
20101216 00:03:02< laurion> I really like this game and I was very exited when I found the task...
20101216 00:03:22< laurion> I would love to take more tasks like this
20101216 00:03:29< Crab_> yes, it's good things when you have the time and an do the things like  that )
20101216 00:06:43< laurion> Crab_: What other campaigns need to be playtested?
20101216 00:06:45< laurion> Cause I already played some of them for fun while waiting for my task to be accepted
20101216 00:08:09< Crab_> well, all of the playtesting tasks for the campaigns were entered at the same time, and so most of them are already playtested. no such tasks are opened at this time, but a few tasks will be opened when their deadlines run out...
20101216 00:08:56< laurion> Oh, and by the way the game has serious trouble with the localization in Romanian
20101216 00:09:23< laurion> I am a native speaker and I would like to translate some parts of it
20101216 00:10:05< Crab_> check the stats - http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?version=trunk&package=&lang=ro
20101216 00:10:12< Crab_> it's almost not translated
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20101216 00:10:43< Crab_> we have translation tasks in the GCI
20101216 00:10:58< laurion> At the moment, it is only about 4% translated I think
20101216 00:11:08< laurion> in Romanian ? 
20101216 00:11:23< laurion> because i searched and i didn't find them
20101216 00:11:40< Crab_> each translation has a person who maintains it, and it's up to that maintainer to show us tasks that need to be entered in the wiki
20101216 00:12:13< Crab_> ping Ivanovic and he'll might be able to tell you how the translations are done and direct you to the right person
20101216 00:12:30< laurion> ok thank you
20101216 00:12:41< Crab_> it will be a good idea to create a GCI task to translate some 'small enough' part of the game in Romanian
20101216 00:13:33< Crab_> so we can create it for you, but you should talk with Ivanovic about  it - maybe, he'll be able to find the maintainer of that translation or define 'small enough' by himself.
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20101216 00:15:14< laurion> Ivanovic: hello! Can you tell me how can I translate wesnoth in Romanian?
20101216 00:15:49< laurion> Ivanovic: Or who is the maintainer of the translation?
20101216 00:15:53< Crab_> he might not be around at this particular time, but he definitely reads the logs
20101216 00:16:25< Crab_> so, I think that the best course of action would be to go on to other tasks but talk with us about creating those translation tasks, so you'll be able to grab them a bit later.
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20101216 00:16:47< laurion> should i PM him or talk here?
20101216 00:16:52< Crab_> 'here' is better
20101216 00:17:01< laurion> ok
20101216 00:19:03< laurion> What should i do to be notified by google melange when new tasks of wesnoth are created or something like that
20101216 00:19:12< laurion> Is there a way i can do this
20101216 00:20:12< Crab_> well, I guest that 'join the melange dev team and code the feature' will help :) but, apart from that, I think not.
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20101216 00:30:26< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers' Discussions • Planned forums downtime for Wednesday, Dec. 15th 15:00 UTC by shadowmaster at 12-15-2010 23:22:13 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32444&p=469822#p469822
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20101216 08:15:13< Ivanovic> moin
20101216 08:15:36< Ivanovic> laurion, crab_: IIRC there is no maintainer for romanian ATM
20101216 08:15:57< Ivanovic> without maintainer for the lang we can't add a GCI task since we got noone to really check if the work was done
20101216 08:19:46< Ivanovic> the last update for romanian was in 1.1.3, so *really* ages ago
20101216 08:20:47< Ivanovic> in general a good way to go is to try to contact the maintainer for the lang listed here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothTranslations
20101216 08:21:05< Ivanovic> but with a lang without updated for this much time it is likely that there will be no reply
20101216 08:21:56< Ivanovic> this means you just follow what is mentioned on this page (and without maintainer you automatically have to become the maintainer): http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothTranslationsHowTo
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20101216 11:52:30< CIA-46> ivanovic * r47940 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: added new Russian translator
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20101216 17:13:43< timotei> Ivanovic: if it really needs I can check up the romanian translations
20101216 17:13:52< timotei> but not many because I'm short on time :)
20101216 17:14:23< Ivanovic> timotei: then you should coordinate somehow with the possible student and create tasks for him as he sees fit
20101216 17:14:44< timotei> Ivanovic: well, you'd be amazed the number of "possible student".
20101216 17:15:26< timotei> now that gnome romanian team is already all full gauge with translations review, and since Romania (from google's blog), is the 2nd at number of participants after USA, this task(s) will be claimed pretty fast 
20101216 17:15:45< timotei> anyway
20101216 17:15:56< timotei> do you have suggestions on what to translate?
20101216 17:16:05< Ivanovic> timotei: *everything*
20101216 17:16:38< timotei> let me rephrase, do you have suggestions for what is .. more critical/ needed better to be done first?:)
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20101216 18:11:57< timotei> grr
20101216 18:12:23< timotei> does anyone why I get the error Can't exec "git": Bad file number at D:\bin\Git/libexec/git-core/git-svn line 1454.
20101216 18:12:24< timotei> Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at D:\bin\Git/libexec/git-core/git-svn line 1454.
20101216 18:12:26< timotei> chomp(my $tmp = `$arg --get svn.$key`);
20101216 18:12:29< timotei> this line
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20101216 18:31:33< timotei> oh great, my wesnoth repo is broken
20101216 18:31:33< timotei> :(
20101216 18:33:50< timotei> shadowmaster: ^ any idea?
20101216 18:35:23< AI0867> timotei: check if git svn  works on other repos
20101216 18:35:29< AI0867> if it does, go look at .git/svn
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20101216 18:38:38< timotei> AI0867: I don't any other git svns, just wesnoth's
20101216 18:38:40< timotei> don't have*
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20101216 18:41:13< Grimling> Crab_: Hi
20101216 18:42:05< Crab_> hi
20101216 18:43:49< CIA-46> timotei * r47941 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Release UMC Plugin version 1.0.1
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20101216 18:45:34< Grimling> Crab_: about the passive_leader bug, I've worked on it
20101216 18:45:42< Grimling> Crab_: but I have a few questions
20101216 18:45:51< Grimling> and btw: my previous task is accepted
20101216 18:46:51< timotei> AI0867: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/gcafZgBA
20101216 18:47:11< timotei> in .git/svn I have folder with different tags
20101216 18:47:16< timotei> and a .metadata file
20101216 18:47:59< Grimling> Crab_: I've added code to a few candidate_actions, but is there need to edit all of them?
20101216 18:49:00< Grimling> as you told me: I've edited the retreat_phase, analyze_targets(), healing_phase
20101216 18:51:53< Grimling> and the things I did on my own: goto_phase, simple_move_and_targeting_phase
20101216 18:53:06< Grimling> Crab_: and I have also a question about the move_leader_to_keep_phase: how can I determine if a keep is safely reachable?
20101216 18:54:23< CIA-46> timotei * r47942 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (4 files in 2 dirs): sign the jars
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20101216 19:04:17< Crab_> Grimling: no, at least some candidate actions do not need editing
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20101216 19:05:26< Grimling> Crab_: are the candidate_actions I edited actions that need an edit?
20101216 19:06:30< Crab_> Grimling: I don't know yet, submit a patch and I'll be able to check if passive_leader works as expected
20101216 19:07:39< Grimling> Crab_: that was my next question: which scenario is a good one to test if it works as suspected?
20101216 19:08:54< Crab_> any one, for example open An_Orcish_Incursion scenario 1
20101216 19:09:00< Grimling> so a scenario with a passive leader who doesn't start at a keep
20101216 19:09:00< Grimling> ok
20101216 19:09:01< Crab_> then, add passive_leader="yes"
20101216 19:09:08< Grimling> in what file is that?
20101216 19:09:27< Crab_> data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/01_Defend_the_Forest.cfg
20101216 19:09:37< Grimling> Crab_: thank you
20101216 19:09:39< Crab_> and then add x= and y= in side
20101216 19:10:56< Crab_> and set leader_aggression=1, as well
20101216 19:11:02< Crab_> it might end up looking like http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/8JVfuKv1
20101216 19:11:27< Crab_> (note that I've removed the gold, as well; for some of the tests, you need gold)
20101216 19:11:38< Crab_> in general, passive leader should not return to keep.
20101216 19:12:16< Crab_> the only exception in std stuff being (1) leader goals;  (2) if leader was on keep but due to passive_leader_shares_keep="yes" moved away from it
20101216 19:12:55< Grimling> Crab_: ok, I didn't know that a passive leader shouldn't go to a keep, even if it was safely reachable
20101216 19:13:59< iwontbecreative> It's very hard to say if it's safely reachable
20101216 19:14:03< iwontbecreative> There's always ambush
20101216 19:15:00< Crab_> Grimling: originally, passive_leader wasn't moving at all, only recruiting
20101216 19:15:35< Crab_> Grimling: but, for passive_leader_shares_keep to work, he needs to know how to return to keep and move away from it
20101216 19:15:59< Crab_> and, it makes sence to obey leader goals anyway since they are only set explicitly
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20101216 19:16:59< Crab_> Grimling: will create the task in a few minutes
20101216 19:17:09< Grimling> Crab_: ok, thank you
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20101216 19:18:01< Grimling> iwontbecreative: yes, that was why I asked
20101216 19:19:08< Grimling> Crab_: should with a passive leader shares keep the move_leader_to_keep_phase be executed, but with a passive_leader that doesn't share his keep not?
20101216 19:21:27< Crab_> Grimling: http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/wesnoth/t129252365992
20101216 19:22:08< Grimling> Crab_: claim requested
20101216 19:22:14< Crab_> (there are other such tasks, available for claiming to any GCI participant who is able to compile wesnoth and fix C++ ai-related tasks; ask me if you want more details)
20101216 19:22:48< Crab_> (claim accepted)
20101216 19:23:01< Grimling> Crab_: thank you
20101216 19:23:20< Crab_> Grimling: I think 'no'
20101216 19:23:44< Crab_> I think that 'move leader to keep' should only be triggered if the ai leader was on keep at some particular moment
20101216 19:23:51< Crab_> but, it is harder that way
20101216 19:24:38< Crab_> so, you can do it in the way you just said, as well ( passive leader shares keep the move_leader_to_keep_phase be executed, but with a passive_leader that doesn't share his keep not?)
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20101216 19:25:22< Crab_> also note that this particular task is only about passive_leader,
20101216 19:25:35< Crab_> passive_leader_shares_keep will be a separate one
20101216 19:25:41< Grimling> Crab_: oh, ok
20101216 19:26:07< Grimling> Crab_: but is it possible that in a scenario passive_leader=no but passive_leader_shares_keep=yes?
20101216 19:26:15< iwontbecreative> yes
20101216 19:26:23< Crab_> when, passive_leader="no" , passive_leader_shares_keep => yes.
20101216 19:26:42< Crab_> so, ' passive_leader=no; passive_leader_shares_keep=no' is the same as 'passive_leader=no passive_leader_shares_keep=yes'
20101216 19:26:52< Crab_> if we are not passive, we definitely want to share keep.
20101216 19:27:03< Grimling> Crab_: ok, i missunderstood that, thanks
20101216 19:27:40< Crab_> it's like 'share keep if you are passive = "yes" '
20101216 19:28:01< Crab_> so, if you're not passive, it does not matter what passive_leader_shares_keep is set to.
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20101216 19:31:12< Grimling> Crab_: ok, I thought it was: passive and shares keep
20101216 19:31:28< Crab_> ol
20101216 19:31:35< Crab_> ok, understood
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20101216 19:47:31< Grimling> Crab_: can I leave the code for retreating when there are multiple leaders? of isn't that an element of this task?
20101216 19:48:00< Crab_> you can, it's a nice side fix
20101216 19:51:27< Grimling> Crab_: can I use this code: my_leader_loc.do_compare(i->first) == 0 (where i is of type move_map::const_iterator) to check if it's the same location?
20101216 19:52:45< Crab_> there's bool operator==(const map_location& a) const { return x == a.x && y == a.y; }
20101216 19:53:00< Crab_> and  ( my_leader_loc==i->first ) is nicer
20101216 19:53:07< Grimling> Crab_: ok, thanks
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20101216 20:24:34< timotei> damn
20101216 20:24:44< timotei> how I'm gonna commit my changes if git doesn't work
20101216 20:24:44< timotei> aww
20101216 20:26:40< timotei> hmm, if I release a new version of plugin
20101216 20:26:47< timotei> I should close the related bugs?
20101216 20:26:52< timotei> Ivanovic, Crab_ ^
20101216 20:26:54< Grimling> are there other tests to see if my edits work properly?
20101216 20:27:45< Crab_> Grimling: check if he does not attack a easy target he can kill in 1 tttack
20101216 20:27:54< Grimling> ok
20101216 20:27:55< Crab_> timotei: yes, closed when fix is available
20101216 20:28:06< Crab_> (... in released version)
20101216 20:29:08< Grimling> Crab_: he doesn't :)
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20101216 20:32:38< Grimling> Crab_: can I send it to you? and if yes: how? forum pm?
20101216 20:35:07< Crab_> forum  pm is fine
20101216 20:35:13< Crab_> patches.wesnoth.org is good, too
20101216 20:35:51< Grimling> Crab_: I've never submitted a patch at patches.wesnoth.org, will try it now
20101216 20:35:55< Crab_> ok
20101216 20:36:04< Crab_> you need to register at GNA, if you haven't already
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20101216 20:40:06< anonymissimus> anyone: whats the wesnoth C++ way of converting std::string -> int, atoi ?
20101216 20:40:29< Grimling> Crab_: what type of file should I submit?
20101216 20:40:33< Grimling> Crab_: the new code file?
20101216 20:40:45< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: lexical_cast<>()
20101216 20:41:01< Crab_> 'svn diff' vs trunk
20101216 20:41:02< anonymissimus> thx
20101216 20:41:04< shadowmaster> and its alias str_cast<>()
20101216 20:53:32< Grimling> Crab_: submitted, I think
20101216 20:55:50< Crab_> ok, great. I would be able to check it out  but it'll take a few days (busy at the moment. I think that I'll be able to take a look at it and close it at monday, if all's good)
20101216 20:56:16< Crab_> but where it's ?
20101216 20:56:27< Grimling> https://gna.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=15861
20101216 20:56:48< Grimling> Crab_: is there already something else I can work on?
20101216 20:56:51< Crab_> ah, you added it to a bug.
20101216 20:57:06< Crab_> ok, that's ok too
20101216 20:57:19< Grimling> Crab_: what should I have done?
20101216 20:57:29< Crab_> https://gna.org/patch/?func=additem&group=wesnoth
20101216 20:57:36< Crab_> that'll add an entry to patches.wesnoth.org
20101216 20:57:45< Crab_> but adding it to a bug is ok, too
20101216 20:57:58< Grimling> ok, I'll try to remember it for the next time
20101216 20:58:22< Grimling> the multiple-leaders retreat isn't in those files
20101216 20:58:37< Grimling> I need to check if everything works correctly, but I'll do that in the weekend
20101216 20:59:20< Crab_> doing a quick look atm...
20101216 20:59:40< Crab_> you do _itor->can_recruit() && get_passive_leader() in few places, and get_passive_leader() && u.can_recruit() in another, it's better to be consistent.
20101216 21:00:10< Grimling> about using iterators? or about first can_recruit and then get_passive_leader?
20101216 21:00:18< Crab_> about first ... and then ...
20101216 21:00:25< Grimling> ok
20101216 21:03:22< Grimling> do I need to reupload the file?
20101216 21:03:22< Crab_> and please also fix the ' (!(i->can_recruit() && i->side() == get_side())) && !i->incapacitated() && !(i->can_recruit() && get_passive_leader()))  check
20101216 21:03:22< Crab_> after fixing, reupload to same place...
20101216 21:03:56< Crab_> you left the 'unit_map::const_iterator(i) != leader' in there, and you check for can_recruit twice...
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20101216 21:04:25< Crab_> and the check has nothing to do with passive_leader
20101216 21:07:22< Grimling> should it be this? http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/U3h55y38
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20101216 21:12:33< Grimling> Crab_:^
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20101216 21:15:52< Grimling> i need to go now, will look for it tomorrow
20101216 21:15:52< Grimling> I'll read the logs
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20101216 21:22:49< Crab_> Grimling: no need to check for passive_leaders, as leaders don't retreat via this candidate action.
20101216 21:22:49< Crab_> even before, leader (first) was not retreating
20101216 21:22:49< Crab_> so, after the fix, all leaders shouldn't retreat.
20101216 21:23:59< Crab_> a funny side task would be to make a separate CA for leader's retreat, activated by something like high CTK on the leader, and making the ai try to retreat the leader and cover it with units. don't go for it unless you can think out a good&simple algorithm, though.
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20101216 22:23:42< timotei-temp> hmm, how should I do the wesnoth oficial youtube channel?
20101216 22:23:44< timotei-temp> on what email?
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