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20101208 10:20:47< Ivanovic> moin
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20101208 12:08:02< Necrosporus> Hello
20101208 12:08:16< Necrosporus> Why does wesnoth for Windows ask for reboot?
20101208 12:08:48< zookeeper> no idea. it probably doesn't really need one.
20101208 12:09:09< Necrosporus> So it must be fixed in the installer
20101208 12:09:14< zookeeper> AFAIK if you don't get some very obvious font/text problems, you don't need a reboot
20101208 12:09:58< Necrosporus> Yep
20101208 12:10:18< Necrosporus> But windows version of BfW asks for reboot after installation
20101208 12:10:30< Necrosporus> I can't prove it, I don't have windows
20101208 12:16:02< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: because windows is f***ed up
20101208 12:16:15< Ivanovic> some users experience problems with the ingame font unless they reboot
20101208 12:16:55< Ivanovic> the "please reboot before using" message is to lower the number of users posting "ugh, there are no fonts shown!!!"
20101208 12:18:25< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, windows is wrong, but my friends doesn't seem willing to drop using it
20101208 12:18:48< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: then have them reboot to be sure that it works as expected
20101208 12:19:23< Ivanovic> it seems as if the windows users among our devs can not reproduce the issue themselved, but since it happens and rebooting helps, this is the "safe way" we ask the users to make use of
20101208 12:19:43< Necrosporus> OK
20101208 12:19:57< Ivanovic> (things we can't reproduce and where we don't have some additional debugging information either are close to impossible to fix)
20101208 12:20:01< Necrosporus> I suppose, I will recommend them to cancel reboot, unless they will experience problems with fonts
20101208 12:20:26< Ivanovic> if they see squares displayed where they expect fonts, they should reboot
20101208 12:20:35< Ivanovic> otherwise everthing should work nicely
20101208 12:21:00< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, I experience font problems with wesnoth in ubuntu 10.10 myself
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20101208 12:21:16< Necrosporus> It seem like letters is of different heights
20101208 12:21:25< Ivanovic> huh?
20101208 12:21:34< Ivanovic> probably some strange cairo version or something like this
20101208 12:21:42< Necrosporus> For example, 0 looks like o
20101208 12:22:00< Necrosporus> And y like greek mu
20101208 12:22:01< Ivanovic> or are you using some locale that does not rely on the "normal" latin chars but on asian chars and no idea what
20101208 12:22:17< Necrosporus> ru_RU.UTF8
20101208 12:22:34< Ivanovic> hmm, russian is using the normal font, should have no probs at all
20101208 12:22:56< Ivanovic> that is: if pango cairo and sdl_ttf/freetype work as expected...
20101208 12:23:16< Ivanovic> there might be some problems with italics, not sure though
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20101208 12:37:06< Necrosporus> http://files1.jetbytes.com/246d48033edbcc0982fa954de6f319b9
20101208 12:37:13< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, there is a screenshot
20101208 12:37:56< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: to safe your own bandwidth i'd recommend uploading images like this to imagebin.org
20101208 12:41:51< Necrosporus> jetbytes is sooo slooow 
20101208 12:42:17< Necrosporus> I would prefer omploader.org or itmages.ru
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20101208 12:44:14< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, it's done
20101208 12:44:43< Ivanovic> okay, i see
20101208 12:44:50< Ivanovic> something is *really* wrong with your fontsetup
20101208 12:44:58< Ivanovic> no idea what ubuntu is doing there, but maybe Rhonda can help
20101208 12:45:36< Ivanovic> this looks like some "comic" font, but not like DejaVuSans that we are using
20101208 12:48:17< Ivanovic> i'll reupload your image (converted to jpg to save space) and add a screenshot from mine to show what it is supposed to look like
20101208 12:49:07< Ivanovic> your image: http://imagebin.org/126852
20101208 12:49:14< Ivanovic> correct image: http://imagebin.org/126853
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20101208 12:54:34< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: since Rhonda is responsible for the debian packages (that ubuntu does just use in case of wesnoth) she might be able to figure out what is going on there
20101208 12:57:31< Necrosporus> Ivanovic, it's an unnoficial package from some ppa
20101208 12:58:00< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: ah, okay, i thought it was the official one
20101208 12:58:08< Ivanovic> then the fonts are an issue we got no control over
20101208 12:58:24< Ivanovic> hmm, where the 1.9.x packages for debian not done, Rhonda?
20101208 12:58:32< Necrosporus> I suppose, I have to install dejavu fints
20101208 12:59:23< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: in debian there is a wesnoth-1.9 package
20101208 12:59:27< Ivanovic> at least in unstable
20101208 12:59:36< Ivanovic> you could just rely on those packages and be done
20101208 13:00:24< Necrosporus> remove package from ppa and install one from debian?
20101208 13:00:39< Ivanovic> no idea how the package manager in ubutnu is supposed to work
20101208 13:00:51< Ivanovic> but it should be possible to directly install the debian .debs
20101208 13:02:10< Ivanovic> and yeah, the debian package depends on ttf-dejavu 
20101208 13:02:21< Necrosporus> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/wesnoth-1_9-ppa-maverick.list
20101208 13:02:21< Necrosporus> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/wesnoth-1.9/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
20101208 13:02:21< Necrosporus> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/wesnoth-1.9/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
20101208 13:02:30< Necrosporus> ttf-dejavu is installed
20101208 13:02:45< Ivanovic> i don't use ubuntu so i got no idea at all about how ppas and whatnot works
20101208 13:03:38< Necrosporus> It's possible to install debs directly, but it's not really convinient to install packages by hand
20101208 13:04:06< Ivanovic> i don't know if it is possible to eg use the official debian mirror and whatnot as package source
20101208 13:04:45< Ivanovic> what you probably want is this one: http://packages.debian.net/source/sid/wesnoth-1.9
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20101208 17:16:42< Rhonda> There are 1.9 packages in some ppa?
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20101208 17:18:46< Rhonda> Hmm, that URL he gave doesn't exist or make any sense.
20101208 17:19:06< Rhonda> Ivanovic: packages.debian.ORG btw., not .net
20101208 17:19:43< Ivanovic> uhm, okay
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20101208 17:22:21< Rhonda> … the header of packages.debian.net should had been able to tell you that. ;)
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20101208 19:33:38< [Relic]> Hello :)
20101208 19:41:27< Softly> heya [Relic] 
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20101208 19:46:31< [Relic]> :)
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20101208 19:47:03< Gambit> [Relic]: Are you just a hyper advanced combination IRCbot/Wesnoth AI?
20101208 19:47:57< [Relic]> maybe
20101208 19:48:14< Gambit> That's exactly what a hyper advanced combination IRCbot/Wesnoth AI would say!
20101208 19:48:19< Gambit> :)
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