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20101219 07:53:36< vultraz> hi
20101219 07:57:36< vultraz> anyone have some strategy tips? still a noob:)
20101219 07:58:03< C27> Win.
20101219 07:58:09< C27> That's the best strategy.
20101219 07:58:15< vultraz> haha:)
20101219 07:58:35< vultraz> i mean best way to win
20101219 07:59:02< vultraz> because i always loose:(
20101219 08:02:14< C27> take advantage of terrain and light
20101219 08:02:42< C27> and use units that attack the weaknesses of enemies
20101219 08:02:46< shadowmaster> it really depends a lot on the faction you're playing, and your oponents, and the map/scenario/campaign, and,...
20101219 08:03:48< vultraz> i usually use undead because i like their strong magic attacks
20101219 08:04:40< vultraz> but for some reason, i send them out, and they get beaten, and i try to rescue them with my leader, 
20101219 08:05:46< vultraz> and then my units get killed, and its the wrong time of day, the other guy takes my castle and requites  more units, and then i die:(
20101219 08:08:29< vultraz> or my leader stays in the castle and i send out units and i win for a bit, and suddenly all of them are defeated, and the enemy is coming after my leader.
20101219 08:09:26< vultraz> or i try to invade another castle and send out a large force which then is crashed and my leader killed
20101219 08:10:46< vultraz> btw, i can win against the ai sometimes, but on mutiplayer,  that's where all these problem happen. 
20101219 08:10:55< vultraz> so annoying
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20101219 08:15:33< C27> Keep practicing.
20101219 08:16:36< C27> Try to preserve your units when you can
20101219 08:16:50< C27> I know I started out being way too berserk-aggressive
20101219 08:17:18< C27> and taking on enemies in bad terrain/light because I wanted blood
20101219 08:17:56< C27> and never retreating wounded units
20101219 08:18:06< C27> but... units are vauiable
20101219 08:18:10< C27> valuable*
20101219 08:18:24< C27> especially on small maps, every one counts
20101219 08:18:28< vultraz> oh so you mean no "Attack! Win or Perish!" That kind of thing?
20101219 08:18:40< C27> Yeah.
20101219 08:19:06< vultraz> ineresting......thanks
20101219 08:19:22< C27> Play the odds and seek every advantage, try to defeat units in detail instead of the other way 'round
20101219 08:20:13< C27> Taking ground is important, too, but not worth wasting units to do so
20101219 08:20:24< C27> Aim to waste nothing.
20101219 08:20:37< C27> Losing is the opponent's job.
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20101219 08:21:20< C27> Also, be sure to tailor your recruiting to what the enemy has available
20101219 08:21:55< C27> Adepts are great against drakes, eg, and not great against ulfserkers or cavalrymen
20101219 08:23:01< C27> Skeletons are good against most elf units with their arrows, not good against mages or woses
20101219 08:23:30< C27> so there's a consideration of both what units to recruit and what units to pit against what enemies
20101219 08:24:52< vultraz> ah that's good. i usually just recruit ghosts, adepts, and ghouls because of the magical attacks, the poison, and the easy lv up 
20101219 08:25:18< C27> Be sure to watch the vulnerabilities :p
20101219 08:25:53< C27> Ghosts can be pretty fragile against mages
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20101219 08:26:04< C27> and they're expensive
20101219 08:26:09< vultraz> yup
20101219 08:26:43< C27> Not that I'm an expert by any means :p
20101219 08:27:04< vultraz> I'll try your tips. Less all out tacks and and more strategy 
20101219 08:27:14< C27> yeah
20101219 08:27:15< vultraz> *attacks*
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20101219 08:28:22< vultraz> well u sound like an expert:D
20101219 08:29:31< vultraz> at least not a noob :O
20101219 08:29:32< C27> I try to be.
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20101219 08:32:21< vultraz> oh btw what terrain is best for undead?
20101219 08:37:52< C27> Same as humans - forest and hills are a small advantage
20101219 08:38:09< C27> ghosts and bats are 50% anywhere
20101219 08:38:14< C27> or so
20101219 08:38:24< C27> so they handle bad terrain easily
20101219 08:39:18< vultraz> Do u do the wesnoth multiplayer?
20101219 08:41:01< C27> mhm
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20101219 08:42:56< vultraz> mhm?
20101219 08:43:11< vultraz> whats that mean
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20101219 08:49:57< Espreon> vultraz: He essentially said "yes".
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20101219 08:50:20< vultraz> ah thanks
20101219 08:50:27< Espreon> No prob.
20101219 08:50:35< vultraz> still not up on the lingo
20101219 08:50:51< Espreon> Uh...
20101219 08:51:03< Espreon> It's not really lingo.
20101219 08:54:05< Espreon> vultraz: Yeah, it's a rather common utterance...
20101219 09:02:22< C27> especially for cultural barbarians such as myself
20101219 09:06:32< vultraz> well, C27 if i see u  on the mltiplayer hosting a game i'll join:)
20101219 09:10:04< vultraz> i use 1.8.5
20101219 09:13:38< C27> Same
20101219 09:13:47< C27> I don't go by C27 on the server though
20101219 09:14:22< C27> my nick on there tends to change every couple weeks with my mood at the time
20101219 09:23:27< vultraz> well i use vultraz as a nick
20101219 09:24:16< vultraz> so i'm easy to spot
20101219 09:27:34< C27> My nick right now on there is Reimu
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20101219 09:45:47< vultraz> thanks:)
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20101219 10:03:55< Mike1> hi!
20101219 10:04:20< Mike1> Still no answer on http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32423 is there anything I can do to help?
20101219 10:09:08< Espreon> Mike1: Questions like this should probably be asked in #wesnoth-dev, but I doubt there's anything that we can do. Do you have graphics problems in other SDL apps?
20101219 10:10:02< Ivanovic> moin
20101219 10:10:16< Mike1> Espreon: too bad :( . No problems in other SDL apps
20101219 10:11:57< Espreon> Mike1: I guess the only thing to do is to complain to the developers of your driver.
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20101219 10:15:44< Mike1> is Wesnoth 2D or 3D?
20101219 10:17:43< Espreon> 'Tis 2D, good sir...
20101219 10:17:44< mysticX> it is :D
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20101219 10:20:20< joo> Nay, it's 4D
20101219 10:20:39< Espreon> But, not everything's constantly in motion.
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20101219 10:20:45< joo> x, y, time, sound
20101219 10:21:01< joo> 5d if you consider that there are two sound channels
20101219 10:21:21< joo> And many more if you consider every possible configuration of the game
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20101219 10:24:38< foocraft> wesnoth is deez
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20101219 11:28:51< vultraz> i want to try a Google code in 2010 wesnoth playtset task
20101219 11:29:21< vultraz> where u play a campaign at a certail difficulty and look for bugs
20101219 11:30:14< vultraz> at the beginning of the contest, the description said "use the latest development version (1.9.2)
20101219 11:30:31< vultraz> now the latest dev is 1.9.3. wich should  use?
20101219 11:30:46< zookeeper> 1.9.3
20101219 11:31:04< Mike1> anyone here able to verify visual glitches in wesnoth when using an Intel GMA HD under Linux? I don’t want to file a bad bugreport.
20101219 11:31:18< zookeeper> i don't think there's any reason not to use 1.9.3 now that it's out.
20101219 11:31:57< vultraz> ok thanks:)
20101219 11:32:37< Crendgrim> hello Mike... didn't you manage to solve it yet? :/
20101219 11:33:32< Mike1> Crendgrim: no, how could I? :(
20101219 11:34:05< Mike1> I’m filing a bug report right now
20101219 11:34:09< Ivanovic> Mike1: it is likely to be some problem in the libs in your distribution
20101219 11:34:26< Ivanovic> since only the two of you got the bug, both using fedora core 14
20101219 11:34:34< Ivanovic> and *noone* else reported issues like those
20101219 11:35:07< Mike1> It would be great to know if it’s really only Fedora
20101219 11:35:11< Ivanovic> it clearly looks like some redraw bug
20101219 11:35:40< Ivanovic> (the same it looked in the ogl branch very early when refreshing the screen was broken with some graphics drivers)
20101219 11:35:54< Ivanovic> most likely not a wesnoth bug by itself but "somewhere else" in the system
20101219 11:36:10< Ivanovic> especially since the fedora people are well known for breaking things and packaging strange versions
20101219 11:36:17< Mike1> I wonder how I could narrow down the “somewhere else”
20101219 11:36:21< Ivanovic> you could try if it also happens for you using rawhide
20101219 11:36:37< Ivanovic> since the graphics stack should be a different one there
20101219 11:37:47< Mike1> It would be a good start if someone was able to verify that it does or does not occur on other Distributions
20101219 11:38:27< Mike1> I mean, Intel GMA HD is not that rare
20101219 11:38:30< Mike1> there has to be someno
20101219 11:38:32< Mike1> e
20101219 11:39:06< Mike1> It would be hard for me to install an other distribution just to install Wesonth and see if it works
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20101219 11:42:38< Ivanovic> Mike1: then it would still be a mesa/intel ddx bug
20101219 11:43:18< Ivanovic> no idea how easy/hard it is to replace the graphics stack in fedora
20101219 11:43:23< Crendgrim> Ivanovic: But if the bug doesn't appear then it's probably a fedora bug
20101219 11:43:27< Ivanovic> if it is possible/easy you could try this
20101219 11:43:45< Ivanovic> Crendgrim: "fedora bug" also means the specific combination of packages
20101219 11:43:49< Ivanovic> eg in the graphics stack
20101219 11:43:58< Ivanovic> or in the various parts of sdl
20101219 11:45:00< Ivanovic> what i would try in your posisiton is changing the xf86-video-intel, mesa and libdrm packages
20101219 11:46:05< Mike1> i don’t want to break this system, it’s my school laptop after all (don’t ask why I want to play Wesnoth on it! :D ) :(
20101219 11:46:26< Ivanovic> uhm, why is fedora core installed on a school laptop?
20101219 11:46:40< Ivanovic> it ain't known as the most easy to use or stable system...
20101219 11:47:26< Mike1> It hasn’t disappointed me yet (except the visual glitches in Wesnoth propably) :)
20101219 11:49:53< Mike1> Ivanovic: isn’t mesa for 3D only?
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20101219 12:07:01< Ivanovic> Mike1: mesa is also part of what is used for acceleration stuff
20101219 12:07:24< Ivanovic> you need a working combination of the kernel drm part, libdrm, the ddx driver as well as mesa
20101219 12:08:13< Ivanovic> and yeah, it could also make a difference if you are using a compositor for your desktop (to get effects and whatnot, common compositors are kwin or compiz)
20101219 12:08:25< Ivanovic> you could check if changing the compositor helps
20101219 12:09:00< Ivanovic> (backend (xrender or opengl are common) i mean or turning the compositor off or no idea...)
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20101219 12:50:35< Mike1> I’m using kwin but without “desktop effects”
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20101219 16:27:55< joo> Does someone want to take over in a game of Creep War, where the other player left?
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20101219 16:36:51< joo> nevermind
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20101219 22:46:50< vultraz> how can i add high lv ai monsters to a user map, as well as those cool go-someplace-open a door, that kind of thing?
20101219 22:48:01< zookeeper> you need to write a scenario, that is you need to learn WML
20101219 22:48:03< Dipseydoodle> Filter tag.
20101219 22:48:06< zookeeper> ...
20101219 22:48:37< vultraz> wesnoth markup language?
20101219 22:48:41< zookeeper> yes
20101219 22:49:06< vultraz> so where can i learn that?
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20101219 22:49:26< Dipseydoodle> Wiki
20101219 22:49:36< zookeeper> in theory you should click the "create" link on the top of the website
20101219 22:49:51< Dipseydoodle> Or read a simple campaign....
20101219 22:49:57< zookeeper> but in practise a lot of that content is old and doesn't work as is (except for the WML reference itself)
20101219 22:50:14< Dipseydoodle> zookeeper: question
20101219 22:50:20< Dipseydoodle> Is the
20101219 22:50:25< zookeeper> so, i suggest you download some simple-looking mappack add-on, make a copy of it, rename it, and start tinkering with the contents
20101219 22:51:14< Dipseydoodle> Zookeeper: Is there a way I can edit anethryns wiki page so I can update the unit wml part? I'd like to get rid of those spaces he has.
20101219 22:51:47< zookeeper> Dipseydoodle, yes, the same way you edit any wiki page i'd imagine.
20101219 22:54:15< Dipseydoodle> Ok... thanks.
20101219 22:54:51< vultraz> thanks :)
20101219 22:57:10< zookeeper> vultraz, if you get problems then you can start a thread in the WML workshop subforum. however, i really suggest a systematic approach of copying something which works and then changing it in small steps and testing all the time...
20101219 23:05:01< vultraz> thanks
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20101219 23:56:33< vultraz> how do i make a user map interesting?
20101219 23:57:20< Gambit> copious amounts of WML
20101219 23:57:33< Gambit> And also a little magic.
20101219 23:57:43< vultraz> why do you need WML for so much?
20101219 23:58:19< vultraz> i mean, cant there be a menu in the map editor that as these kinds of options
20101219 23:58:45< Softly> because that'd take so much coding on the dev's side of thing for very little reward on the user's end
20101219 23:59:12< vultraz> like add object or add ai monster or set action when unit steps here?
20101219 23:59:54< vultraz> i dunno....... I think users would like that
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