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20101220 00:00:34< vultraz> take me. i dont want to learn another coding language. I just want to create a nice map
20101220 00:00:51< Softly> WML is not a coding language ;)
20101220 00:00:53< VurtualRuler98> Or really good design.
20101220 00:01:16< vultraz> markup language then
20101220 00:01:36< VurtualRuler98> 2fort wasn't built on flashing lights, man
20101220 00:03:21< vultraz> sorry if i sound angry...... just get annoyed the the lack of such options in the map editor :)
20101220 00:03:59< VurtualRuler98> Are you, too, spoiled by the third dimension?
20101220 00:04:17< vultraz> what, GUI?
20101220 00:04:49< vultraz> i love GUI
20101220 00:04:51< VurtualRuler98> No, the actual third dimension. For making things.
20101220 00:05:50< vultraz> uh, whats this have to do with the lack of options in the map editor
20101220 00:06:48< VurtualRuler98> ...I was asking wether or not you were the kind of person who is used to building in 3D environments
20101220 00:06:51< VurtualRuler98> as opposed to pre-set tiles
20101220 00:07:23< vultraz> hummmm. interesting question
20101220 00:07:53< vultraz> i like to build stuff, yeah
20101220 00:09:14< vultraz> but on my computer, i want the options i want to be there :)
20101220 00:09:48< vultraz> dont like to build stuff in a computer
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20101220 00:11:13< vultraz> except if its stuff like wesnoth maps
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20101220 00:11:36< vultraz> gui, yes, programming, no
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20101220 00:27:24< Soliton> as said it'd be a lot of work to make a decent scenario editor which would still be much less powerful than pure WML. and then it'd probably just lead to even more half-assed add-ons.
20101220 00:29:55< VurtualRuler98> A text box that lets you edit the scenario while placing tiles?
20101220 00:42:02< vultraz> yes.....
20101220 00:42:15< vultraz> i think so
20101220 00:47:23< Gambit> with persistent variables it is not possible to make an entirely in game scenario editor
20101220 00:48:01< vultraz> ah
20101220 00:48:25< Gambit> And with lua able to create custom dialogs it wouldn't even be that clunky.
20101220 00:49:13< VurtualRuler98> "not possible"
20101220 00:49:44< vultraz> well, back to my original question, if i could use WML, how could i make the scenario interesting, eg terrain, placement, etc 
20101220 00:50:01< VurtualRuler98> ಠ_ಠ
20101220 00:50:22< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: yeah...
20101220 00:50:27< Gambit> "now possible"
20101220 00:50:28< Gambit> :$
20101220 00:50:32< VurtualRuler98> oh, now possible.
20101220 00:50:44< VurtualRuler98> Well, what's wrong with just using interesting level design?
20101220 00:50:52< VurtualRuler98> (ignoring the huge lack of options for smaller-scale maps)
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20101220 01:24:53< vultraz> someone should take up CampGen again
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20101220 07:27:48< Dylan_Hsu> shadowmaster: do you like rts games
20101220 07:28:47< joo> Still trying to advertise Warzone3k?
20101220 07:29:02< Dylan_Hsu> joo: what? oh, no
20101220 07:29:11< Dylan_Hsu> just asking the op of the channel if he likes rts games :)
20101220 07:29:15< joo> Oh, nevermind then. Mistook you for someone else
20101220 07:29:54< joo> I tried playing an RTS today, after spending months having only played TBSes, and I was awful.
20101220 07:30:35 * joo raises his hand into the air and makes a grasping gesture
20101220 07:30:49< joo> I can't have it all!
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20101220 07:31:15< johndh> So much less time to think and plan your actions, eh?
20101220 07:32:24< joo> Indeed...
20101220 07:33:24< johndh> TBS is more about out-thinking your opponent, whereas in an RTS you might out-think your opponent but lose because he/she out-clicked you.
20101220 07:33:40< johndh> I still enjoy both genres, though.
20101220 07:34:15< joo> Yes. Life is an RTS, after all, so I can't completely abandon it.
20101220 07:34:55< johndh> Good point.
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20101220 07:59:26< Dylan_Hsu> johndh: i outthink my opponents and then outclick them as a flourish
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20101220 10:20:50< Ivanovic> moin
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20101220 17:22:09< Hulavuta> Hi
20101220 17:22:19< Mkaysi> Hi
20101220 17:22:25< Mkaysi> *hi
20101220 17:23:37< Hulavuta> Anyone want to play MP?
20101220 17:23:38< Mussious> Hi
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20101220 17:24:22< Hulavuta> ..
20101220 17:24:24< Hulavuta> So, MP?
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20101220 18:10:28< Tonepoet> Its already been reported via the forum but I think Shadomaster might be interested in killing the spam topic with his super cool evil lich powers sooner than he might normally think to log on.
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20101220 18:22:04< Gambit> Tonepoet: Huh?
20101220 18:22:38< Tonepoet> Off topic has an auto insurance advertisement.
20101220 18:23:00< Gambit> I don't see an auto insurance advertisement. :P
20101220 18:23:19< Gambit> (thanks for the report)
20101220 18:23:29 * Mkaysi doesn't see it either.
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20101220 18:43:16< janebot> Mkaysi: I bet one of those smart, devilishly handsome, and oh so modest, forum moderators already took care of it.
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20101220 18:44:41< Gambit> Wow at the guy who just posted in user's forum admitting he has a server nick that violates the CoC
20101220 18:46:48< Crendgrim> do you mean that guy who "wants to hack" other people's PCs via WML?
20101220 18:48:00< Gambit> Nah; this guy: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124638
20101220 18:48:13< Gambit> Though it is possibly to write a computer crashing add-on.
20101220 18:48:18< Gambit> *possible
20101220 18:48:29< Crendgrim> of course it is..
20101220 18:48:35< Crendgrim> I meant the same one.
20101220 18:48:50< Crendgrim> "how i put a replay here?no,im not a hacker,so there no virus here.but some people may not believe me.so there a way i can put like youtube?"
20101220 18:50:02< Gambit> Well replays are .gz
20101220 18:50:16< Gambit> maybe he's tried to send one before and met some suspicion. 
20101220 18:52:24< Crendgrim> could be..
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20101220 19:03:27< Tonepoet> I doubt most people read the CoC. They should but they should also read their ToS agreements. XD
20101220 19:04:21< Tonepoet> I'm pretty sure one of those things claims the rights to your first born child unless you can guess the name of the guy who typed it up...
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20101220 19:09:12< Gambit> Tonepoet: Well the CoC is a wiki page so that should be an easy riddle
20101220 19:12:44< Crendgrim> It also have got an own subdomain IIRC ...
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20101220 19:15:16< Tonepoet> It's easy to read but when you don't even take the effort to glance at the page, you end up doing stuff that breaks the rules then exposing yourself to the very people who'd reprimand you for it. It's like trying to play a game of Wesnoth with both fog and shroud, buying only dwarves.
20101220 19:17:46< Crendgrim> on the 1.9 server I think there's also a link to the CoC page ... I don't know whether this is on the 1.8.5 one, too
20101220 19:18:17< Tonepoet> In the green text?
20101220 19:18:29< Tonepoet> That's been around about as long as the CoC page itself.
20101220 19:18:36< Tonepoet> Unless it's now clickable.
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20101220 20:19:06< Crendgrim> hmm.. Gambit?
20101220 20:19:34< Gambit> Huh wha?
20101220 20:20:10< Crendgrim> there's one topic on the forum that got my attention... the "compile version for iPhone / iPad" stuff.. there's one guy who just created his fifth post in a row. :/
20101220 20:21:55< Gambit> thanks
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