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20110113 03:21:08< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers' Discussions | Re: [engine] Generate black backgrounds for art on install? by Jetrel at 01-13-2011 02:12:41 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32403&p=474527#p474527
20110113 03:21:42< Appleman1234> anyone else getting remote client disconnected ?
20110113 03:22:02< Appleman1234> remote host*
20110113 03:22:04< shadowmaster> in case you didn't know, we have been unable to log into the official server for hours.
20110113 03:22:16< shadowmaster> there are less than 10 people left in it
20110113 03:22:23< Appleman1234> shadowmaster, I have been away for several hours
20110113 03:22:38< Appleman1234> any unofficial servers running ?
20110113 03:22:38< shadowmaster> less than 12 :D
20110113 03:23:03< shadowmaster> server2.wesnoth.org and server3.wesnoth.org are *always* available for cases like this
20110113 03:23:06< Cookiee> the alternate servers
20110113 03:23:10< Cookiee> in 1.8
20110113 03:23:14< Appleman1234> ok
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20110113 10:27:50< Ivanovic> moin
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20110113 15:03:58< barra_home> hola :-)
20110113 15:04:27< barra_home> I'm contributing to an open source project and we're considering to move from SVN to git or hg in the long run
20110113 15:05:08< barra_home> while moving to a dvcs was proposed by our programmers, we are slightly worried about what kind of problems/challenges a dvcs would bring up for artists, writers, game designers
20110113 15:05:30< barra_home> I was sent here as you seem to have thought about this as well
20110113 15:05:42< barra_home> so I would be very interested in any insight on that topic :-)
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20110113 15:08:01< barra_home> or if there is already a discussion about the topic at the forums, or a proposal that explores this field at the wiki, I would be very grateful for a link as well
20110113 15:09:07< elias> i believe wesnoth is in a similar situation, most devs are using git-svn, but the main repository remains svn
20110113 15:09:24< barra_home> alrighty, that's what we do right now as well
20110113 15:09:34< elias> (not a dev though so i have no insight to the reasons)
20110113 15:09:47< barra_home> alrighty, thanks for the pointer nevertheless
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20110113 15:17:35< barra_home> do you happen to know which wesnoth dev looked into the topic in detail elias ?
20110113 15:25:37< Gambit> barra_home: There are two excellent blog posts by a Wesnoth developer on the topic.
20110113 15:25:40< Gambit> Just a second.
20110113 15:26:11< Gambit> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/55-Wesnoth-UMC-Dev-and-the-version-control-systems-mayhem,-Part-I.html
20110113 15:26:16< Gambit> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/150-Wesnoth-UMC-Dev-and-Version-Control-Systems-Part-2.html
20110113 15:26:25< barra_home> thanks a bunch Gambit :-)
20110113 15:26:43< barra_home> I'll read through them in a couple of minutes, still need to finish some wiki work first
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20110113 16:46:52< Ivanovic> barra_home: our main concern with switching to "something else" is that we would lose gna.org (integration)
20110113 16:47:03< barra_home> good point
20110113 16:47:04< Ivanovic> currently the behaviour of gna with their svn repo is *lovely*
20110113 16:47:10< barra_home> we worry about trac integration
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20110113 16:47:37< barra_home> as we heavily rely on it and there is no free dvcs hosting + trac integration for OSS project
20110113 16:48:25< Ivanovic> if gna offered git we would probably be using it by default now
20110113 16:48:42< barra_home> what kind of gna functionality are you relying on?
20110113 16:48:46< barra_home> issue tracking and the like?
20110113 16:49:02< Ivanovic> gna is our bug and patch tracker
20110113 16:49:09< barra_home> alrighty, I get your point
20110113 16:49:23< barra_home> we use trac for the same purpose and we're pretty much affected in the same way
20110113 16:49:27< Ivanovic> a neat feature is that you just mention "fixed bug #123456" and bug #12345 gets a comment linking to this commit
20110113 16:49:43< barra_home> yep, see: http://parpg-trac.cvsdude.com/parpg/
20110113 16:50:06< barra_home> so I can see that we're pretty much having the same problems :-)
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20110113 16:54:02< Ivanovic> yeah
20110113 16:54:10< Ivanovic> as many other projects probably got, too
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20110113 16:55:24< barra_home> not too sure about that Ivanovic 
20110113 16:55:42< barra_home> most programmers I spoke about the topic said: simply switch to git/hg
20110113 16:55:53< elias> our project has a similar problem
20110113 16:56:13< elias> one long-term dev says he doesn't know git and doesn't want to learn it
20110113 16:56:14< barra_home> so I think this mainly affects game project that are having contributors from other fields than programming
20110113 16:56:33< elias> so we stay with svn not to lose him :)
20110113 16:56:42 * zookeeper wonders how one could have a game project with only programmers
20110113 16:56:47< barra_home> ohh well :-) this is how it works sometimes
20110113 16:56:49< zookeeper> ah, nethack ;)
20110113 16:57:06< barra_home> to be fair zookeeper: a lot of projects are rather programming heavy
20110113 16:57:06< Ivanovic> zookeeper: have a look at the ancient wesnoth screenshots
20110113 16:57:07< Ivanovic> ;)
20110113 16:57:19< barra_home> and art gets send in and the programmer decides what gets in
20110113 16:57:20< elias> (my project is allegro, it's not a game just a game prog library)
20110113 16:57:29< barra_home> we're looking for a slightly different workflow
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20110113 16:58:38< Ivanovic> barra_home: in regards to artwork you should talk to kblin in #gsoc, he once worked on (might still be doing so) on a project called "wombat" that is explicitly targeted to make submission of artwork easier
20110113 16:58:48< Ivanovic> might help your workflow
20110113 16:58:59< Ivanovic> (no idea what the latest status of it is though...
20110113 16:59:02< barra_home> thanks for the pointer
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20110113 20:53:59< Ivanovic> mordante: you should ping Sirp once you are around
20110113 20:54:17< Ivanovic> (about possible transportation to fosdem for neorice)
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20110113 21:00:59< grzywacz> wesbot, seen ilor
20110113 21:00:59< wesbot> grzywacz: The person with the nick ilor 51d 8h ago they left with the message: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
20110113 21:03:17< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen ilor_
20110113 21:03:17< wesbot> Ivanovic: Sorry, I don't know of ilor_.
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20110113 21:16:05< noy> anybody here speak hungarian?
20110113 21:16:09< janebot> Hey there. I am always here, but I assume you want one of the squishy human-folk...
20110113 21:16:43< shadowmaster> Gambit: disable that.
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20110113 21:17:20< gabba> Hi there
20110113 21:17:52< Gambit> Done.
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20110113 21:25:07< Gambit> Hmmm there's a strange piece of terrain at 17,14 of Cynausian Battlefield
20110113 21:25:29< Gambit> I guess Doc would be the one to talk to for that unless someone remembers what goes there.
20110113 21:25:48< Gambit> oh duh I can just look it up on 1.8
20110113 21:27:36< shadowmaster> Cynsaun.
20110113 21:27:39< shadowmaster> learn to spell.
20110113 21:28:48< Aethaeryn> Is that a real word?
20110113 21:28:54< Aethaeryn> I've always thought it was a proper noun.
20110113 21:29:03< shadowmaster> of course it is a proper noun.
20110113 21:29:24< Gambit> Top google hits are Wesnoth :)
20110113 21:30:14< Aethaeryn> Well, misspelling proper nouns in fantasy games is somewhat excusable.
20110113 21:30:28< Aethaeryn> I could name a Saurian character Xynzarxanzes
20110113 21:30:51< Aethaeryn> You can still be okay with English if you can't spell Xynzarxanzes.
20110113 21:30:58< shadowmaster> who asked you D:<
20110113 21:31:14< Gambit> I totally choose him to represent me in this ;)
20110113 21:32:38< CIA-84> grickit * r48263 /trunk/data/multiplayer/maps/2p_Cynsaun_Battlefield.map: Put back a great tree that had been (inadvertantly?) replaced with shroud at some point between 1.8 and now.
20110113 21:32:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: Plus, I've seen it both ways.
20110113 21:33:20< shadowmaster> I've seen multiple people say "Wensoth"
20110113 21:33:26< shadowmaster> does that make it an acceptable spelling?  no.
20110113 21:33:44< Gambit> Actually... I've heard that both ways as well.
20110113 21:33:58< Aethaeryn> The Battle for Wesloth
20110113 21:34:23< shadowmaster> ...
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20110113 22:23:16< gabba> hi boucman
20110113 22:23:26< boucman> hey gabba
20110113 22:23:35< boucman> great to see you around :)
20110113 22:23:42< gabba> nice to see you too
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20110113 22:25:14< gabba> I'd like to fix a WB bug, but I'm stubling upon this build error in trunk, any idea? "src/font.cpp:503: error: ‘fribidi_utf8_to_unicode’ was not declared in this scope"
20110113 22:25:16< boucman> so, how is it going ?
20110113 22:25:25< boucman> hmm
20110113 22:25:41< boucman> there probably have been some changes in the required version of fribidi....
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20110113 22:26:16< boucman> IIRC there is a build switch to disable fribidi entirely, you don't need it unless you want to play in a right to left language...
20110113 22:26:39< gabba> Ah that's what it's for... ok I'll try that switch
20110113 22:26:47< gabba> As for the news,
20110113 22:27:18< gabba> Well the good ones is I should finish my studies in May if I pass every course,
20110113 22:27:31< boucman> congratulation
20110113 22:27:43< grzywacz> hey boucman :)
20110113 22:27:56< gabba> And the bad is that it's gonna be a crazy bastard of a hard session (so guess what for Wesnoth coding time... *cough*)
20110113 22:28:05< boucman> ouch...
20110113 22:28:38< boucman> well, may isn't that far away, and hopefully you'll have more time after that
20110113 22:28:53< gabba> At least afterwards I should be a bit more free ^yup
20110113 22:29:36< gabba> Still no anti-WB revolt on the forums :P ?
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20110113 22:30:44< gabba> I got a few useful bug reports so at least some new coders are lending a help for debugging.
20110113 22:30:46< boucman> gabba: nope... there won't be as long as it's in dev only, and we might disable it if we have to release a stable "soon", but not remove the code as long as you pop-up from time to time and fix a bug here and there
20110113 22:31:01< boucman> yes, I saw, are they easy fix ?
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20110113 22:31:56< gabba> Depends, two are windows-only and I have honestly no clue, for the rest I have a good idea of the solution
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20110113 23:55:04< CIA-84> gabba * r48264 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Properly notify the Whiteboard of gamestate change during Undo. Fixes bug #17136.
20110113 23:55:14< CIA-84> gabba * r48265 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.hpp: Fixed typo in comments.
20110113 23:57:55< gabba> Looks like my code is more maintainable than I thought, I find my way easily even after a few months.
20110113 23:59:16< Ivanovic> hey, that is good!
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20110113 23:59:58< gabba> boucman: that's it for today for me. Happy new year to you, Ivanovic and all the Wesnoth team!
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