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20110119 00:08:36< CIA-44> ivanovic * r48341 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated Spanish translation
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20110119 10:32:40< Ivanovic> moin
20110119 10:33:45< Sapient> hi
20110119 10:39:10< Cookiee> Sapient: :)
20110119 10:39:31< Sapient> yo Cookiee 
20110119 10:39:40< Sapient> wesbot: seen espreon
20110119 10:39:41< wesbot> Sapient: Queried user last spoke 6h 39m ago.  Espreon is currently on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev.
20110119 10:39:56< Cookiee> why you looking for Espreon?
20110119 10:40:07< Sapient> vecause of some deprecated macros
20110119 10:40:20< Cookiee> actually he last spoke about 1 hour ago
20110119 10:40:20< Cookiee> :L
20110119 10:40:58< Cookiee> more like 30mins ago ...
20110119 10:42:06< Cookiee> well i assume you're too busy to play a mp game?
20110119 10:43:23< Sapient> thanks but I must pass for now
20110119 10:43:44< Sapient> what map were you playing?
20110119 10:44:48< Cookiee> not playing any currently :L
20110119 10:48:36< Sapient> ok, does anyone know why {REDRAW} and {ALLOW_UNDO} are being deprecated? (r47697 and r47734 by espreon)
20110119 10:51:29< Sapient> I would expect someone involved with UMC to be more adverse to breaking UMC 
20110119 10:52:25< Sapient> averse
20110119 10:56:12< Cookiee> is this the translating stuff?
20110119 10:57:53< Cookiee> nvm, i clearly dont know what im on about :D
20110119 11:02:24< Sapient> well, I'm about to revert it, but I like to know the reason behind the deprecation if any
20110119 11:03:23< Sapient> core macros should not be removed willy-nilly
20110119 11:04:45< Sapient> if their removal is justified, then it should be supported by wmllint at least
20110119 11:05:42< Appleman1234> Sapient, did he replace them with anything ?
20110119 11:06:05< Sapient> Appleman1234: no
20110119 11:06:55< Appleman1234> then I have no clue
20110119 11:08:59< Cookiee> Sapient: i think Espreon went to sleep awhile ago
20110119 11:09:00< Cookiee> :S
20110119 11:09:05< Sapient> I think I will revert all the macros he deprecated
20110119 11:09:09< Cookiee> [19:27:14] <Espreon> Good night.
20110119 11:09:25< Cookiee> its now 21:09
20110119 11:09:50< Sapient> ok, we'll have to discuss it later then
20110119 11:09:55< Cookiee> wait
20110119 11:09:56< Cookiee> no 
20110119 11:10:11< Cookiee> his just afk :L
20110119 11:10:20< Cookiee> he said goodnight to someone else 
20110119 11:10:24< Cookiee> im way too tired :(
20110119 11:10:38< Sapient> not too tired for Wesnoth though ;)
20110119 11:10:56< Sapient> that's my favorite fortune
20110119 11:12:06< Cookiee> xD but not too tired to code for wesnoth?
20110119 11:12:18< Sapient> Q: What unites Wesnoth developers?
20110119 11:12:28< Sapient> A: 3 hours sleep per night
20110119 11:12:45< Cookiee> yeah that wont work for me 
20110119 11:12:57< Cookiee> i need more than 10 hours of sleep 
20110119 11:12:58< Cookiee> NEED
20110119 11:13:54< Sapient> source: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth
20110119 11:15:05< Sapient> ok, well if you see Espreon, let him know that a certain orcish assassin is after him... 
20110119 11:15:13< Sapient> later
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20110119 11:44:23< zookeeper> sapient, i think i've ok'd most of the macro deprecations espreon has made
20110119 11:44:30< zookeeper> i fully support removal of macros like REDRAW and ALLOW_UNDO because they're not used in mainline and the reduced readability of WML for people who don't know what those macro do isn't really worth being able to allow undo using 12 characters instead of 25.
20110119 11:45:26< zookeeper> (i think that should have been "being able to allow undo using 12 characters instead of 25 isn't really worth the reduced readability of WML for people who don't know what those macros do")
20110119 11:47:46< zookeeper> macro-heavy WML is much more difficult to read and debug and i don't want to encourage a macro-heavycoding style by providing trivial shortcuts for tags unless they're really often used or save a lot of typing (like VARIABLE)
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20110119 12:46:26< Ivanovic> someone around who is able to help me perform some shell magic?
20110119 12:46:31< Ivanovic> i got a file like this: http://pastebin.com/PFXmBVDC
20110119 12:46:44< Ivanovic> and want to filter it so that i got all lines starting with 'Package'
20110119 12:47:41< Ivanovic> *but* i want it split in to, one is all Package entries where the next line starts with "./" (so "^./" as expression) and the other where something else is in the following line after each "^Package" line
20110119 12:48:22< Appleman1234> just grep with regex  I think
20110119 12:48:23< Ivanovic> with plain grep this is not easily possible, so probably something like awk is required
20110119 12:48:40< Ivanovic> Appleman1234: grep works on single lines, not possible to have a look at the "next line"
20110119 12:50:23< Appleman1234> just a moment
20110119 12:50:49< Crab_> Ivanovic:  cat a.txt | grep -B1 ./  | grep '^Package'    ?
20110119 12:51:07< Ivanovic> Crab_: ahh, right, good one!
20110119 12:51:44< Appleman1234> :)
20110119 12:52:07< Appleman1234> I was just going double pipe grep using a different method
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20110119 15:39:33< Espreon> Sapient: I killed REDRAW and ALLOW_UNDO because they were absurd.
20110119 15:39:52< Espreon> REDRAW was my evil creation...
20110119 15:40:47< Espreon> Sapient: Basically, [redraw][/redraw] and [allow_undo][/allow_undo] are awesome.
20110119 15:41:11< Espreon> Sapient: Also, our Shaxthals are ready for you. ;)
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20110119 16:07:40< Soliton> Ivanovic: can you give out cloaks for mp mods, like wesnoth/mpmod/... or so?
20110119 16:09:44< elias> i want a cloak, i'll wear it in brussels
20110119 16:10:37< Soliton> an invisibility cloak?
20110119 16:11:16< elias> :)
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20110119 16:14:25< Espreon> Sapient: If you must, bring back REDRAW and ALLOW_UNDO; do not bring back the other macros I deprecated.
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20110119 17:19:43< iwontbecreative> Ivanovic: Looks like everyone is dead in wesnoth french ml
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20110119 17:25:30< Ivanovic> Soliton: yeah, something like this should be possible
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20110119 17:32:52< Soliton> Ivanovic: mp-mod would also be possible i guess? would be cool if you can set natasiel up with one.
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20110119 17:44:23< Ivanovic> Soliton: is he around atm and logged in with his registered nick?
20110119 17:44:32< Soliton> yep.
20110119 17:44:53< Ivanovic> good
20110119 17:45:00< Ivanovic> anyone else who wants a cloack?
20110119 17:45:23< Ivanovic> looking at all those devs that don't have an irc cloak yet (eg iwontbecreative)
20110119 17:46:17< Ivanovic> PetePorty: you are the spanish translation maintainer, right?
20110119 17:46:19< PetePorty> Can I have a "trashcan" cloak?
20110119 17:46:23< PetePorty> Yes.
20110119 17:46:25< Ivanovic> want a "wesnoth/translator" cloak?
20110119 17:46:35< PetePorty> Ooh, didn't know those existed.
20110119 17:46:37< PetePorty> Sure!
20110119 17:47:02< Ivanovic> Upthorn: want a wesnoth/developer cloack?
20110119 17:48:58< PetePorty> Ivanovic: do I need to do anything, or just wait?
20110119 17:49:08< Ivanovic> first i need some mins
20110119 17:49:16< Ivanovic> then someone from staff will likely query you
20110119 17:50:02< PetePorty> Ok.
20110119 17:51:58< Ivanovic> requested the following cloaks:
20110119 17:52:00< Ivanovic> natasiel wesnoth/mp-mod/natasiel
20110119 17:52:06< Ivanovic> PetePorty wesnoth/translator/PetePorty
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20110119 17:52:22< PetePorty> Thanks.
20110119 17:53:26< PetePorty> Yay!
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20110119 18:06:32< iwontbecreative> Ivanovic: You was right about gna, my ssh key is still not registered
20110119 18:06:56< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: hmm, that is *really* strange
20110119 18:07:04< Ivanovic> it should be done in a small number of hours
20110119 18:07:12< Ivanovic> (something like 4 to 6 IIRC)
20110119 18:11:57< iwontbecreative> At least it still says that "the key will be added in 1 hour."
20110119 18:12:11< iwontbecreative> So I guess it's not yet added
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20110119 18:26:19< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: may i notify you of http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=32807&p=475484#p475484 (harm_unit extension)
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20110119 18:54:40< grzywacz> hi
20110119 18:55:07< Mussious> hello
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20110119 19:41:49< Ivanovic> PetePorty: btw please send me translation updates in the form i requested on the wiki page
20110119 19:42:15< Ivanovic> PetePorty: meaning following the folder structure of the svn and having the files named es.po inside some form of archive
20110119 19:42:35< PetePorty> Ok.
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20110119 23:07:52< iwontbecreative> Wesnoth deprecation messages are deprecated :P
20110119 23:09:04< iwontbecreative> Just had "Usage of [removeitem] is deprecated; support will be removed in 1.9.3. Use [remove_item] instead." while playing shadowmaster add-on (Proximity)
20110119 23:09:16< iwontbecreative> And I was running trunk :P
20110119 23:12:42< shadowmaster> what add-on?
20110119 23:13:17 * zookeeper blinks
20110119 23:13:42< zookeeper> yeah, well, i'll update it in a few days.
20110119 23:14:12< iwontbecreative> Oh, wrong person :P
20110119 23:15:03< iwontbecreative> The problem is more that the deprecated message says that [removeitem] will be removed in 1.9.3 and it's still in 1.9.4+svn
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