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20110128 15:30:57< PetePorty> Hey guys, in the Graphic Library of the wiki, there are images that are not from Wesnoth, quoting from one of the contributor's page "images that have nothing to do with wesnoth, and were merely linked for a laugh, etc. " and "images made by someone else, that I linked to refer to in a discussion; sometimes images from Wesnoth, sometimes images from completely different games/programs." Yet, they are all under the GPL license, right? 
20110128 15:31:34< zookeeper> no
20110128 15:32:08< PetePorty> No? Hmmm...
20110128 15:32:13< PetePorty> That's bad...
20110128 15:32:16< PetePorty> Well, thanks.
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20110128 15:57:25< boucman> we should remove the graphic library entirely, it's completely unmaintained...
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20110128 16:42:06< PetePorty> boucman: but it's very useful when looking for artwork for UMCs.
20110128 16:42:20< boucman> it's old...
20110128 16:42:41< PetePorty> Old art is useful...
20110128 16:43:21< PetePorty> I mean, the second and third Wose lines can even be used as other units in UMCs.
20110128 16:46:47< zookeeper> removing is fine, but it'd be nice if the contents could be archived somehow
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20110128 16:47:55< boucman> zookeeper: well, wiki has history support, and the images are just link to forum posts anyway
20110128 16:48:25< zookeeper> yeah, but the forum posts can disappear over time too.
20110128 16:49:20< zookeeper> i guess it'd be as simple as someone auto-downloading the whole library, packaging it as a .zip and then offering a link to that in place of the current library once we remove the contents.
20110128 16:49:58< boucman> zookeeper: or backup the forum and all attached files (which I think is done anyway)
20110128 16:52:53< zookeeper> i suppose
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20110128 20:04:15< mordante> servus
20110128 20:07:53< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20110128 20:08:01< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110128 20:14:58< Ivanovic> hi Sirp
20110128 20:15:24< Sirp> hi Ivanovic 
20110128 20:15:25< Ivanovic> mordante: i assume that you are traveling to fosdem with AI0867, correct?
20110128 20:15:47< Ivanovic> mordante: do you already have plans regarding your time of arrival?
20110128 20:16:16< Ivanovic> Sirp: so do you know for sure if you'll be coming to fosdem?
20110128 20:16:41< Ivanovic> Sirp: and on a different subject: which folders of a frogatto checkout should be required for playing it?
20110128 20:16:44< mordante> Ivanovic, haven't spoken to AI0867 yet, so not sure whether he wants to drive with me
20110128 20:17:09< mordante> hi Sirp 
20110128 20:17:18< Ivanovic> (just got a patch that *might* make it work on the pandora, it does just crash in some situation (when leaving the house) which is likely related to the grpahics driver)
20110128 20:17:39< mordante> Ivanovic, I think early afternoon, when do you plan to arrive?
20110128 20:17:59< Ivanovic> haven't talked with chrber about it (he'll be driving this time) but probably afternoon, too
20110128 20:18:07< Sirp> Ivanovic: I was hoping to see grzywacz on so I could confirm bookings.
20110128 20:18:33< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20110128 20:18:33< Sirp> Ivanovic: do you have any way to contact grzywacz or Dragonking?
20110128 20:18:40< Ivanovic> just by mail
20110128 20:19:26< Ivanovic> sent you their email addresses in a query
20110128 20:19:35< mordante> Sirp, you were looking for me?
20110128 20:20:08< Sirp> mordante: oh yes, I was wondering how you are getting to FOSDEM and if you could give Neoriceisgood a ride
20110128 20:21:26< mordante> Sirp, I think I'll be going by car, do you know where does neorice lives?
20110128 20:22:15< mordante> ah nice the fosdem schedule is online :-)
20110128 20:24:53< Ivanovic> most talks don't sound *this* interesting, so it is going to be mainly wesconf
20110128 20:25:32< Ivanovic> @everyone going to fosdem: don't forget to gather some coins, we need "as many as possible" for the bus tickets as well as drinks from the vending machine
20110128 20:26:06< boucman> noted
20110128 20:26:19< Sirp> mordante: all I know is somewhere in the Netherlands, and I've lived in two countries in my life: the US, and Australia. I am thus conditioned to see the Netherlands as being a tiny, tiny place. ;)
20110128 20:27:43< Ivanovic> Sirp: interesting viewpoint...
20110128 20:28:46< boucman> Sirp: just think of belgium :P
20110128 20:28:58< Sirp> Ivanovic: btw, Frankfurt airport is horrible. :-/
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20110128 20:29:03< Ivanovic> hehehe
20110128 20:29:10< Sirp> Ivanovic: and I didn't realize that you actually have to get down off the airplane onto the tarmac
20110128 20:29:11< Ivanovic> really?
20110128 20:29:18< Sirp> I was wearing a t-shirt
20110128 20:29:20< Ivanovic> ah, depends on the airline
20110128 20:29:20< Sirp> so my coat was in my baggage
20110128 20:29:21< mordante> Sirp, it's not big, but depending on where he lives it might be a big detour, especially if AI0867 also wants to drive with me
20110128 20:29:32< Ivanovic> if the airline is one of the cheap one that sucks: yeah, this happens...
20110128 20:29:34< Sirp> Ivanovic: well this was Lufthansa
20110128 20:29:46< Ivanovic> oh, those usually get a gateway
20110128 20:29:51< Ivanovic> ahh, wait, no, they don't
20110128 20:30:15< Ivanovic> they stopped with direct gateways for all intercontinental flights due to *whatever* strange law/rule
20110128 20:32:34< Ivanovic> Sirp: was that everything that was horrible about frankfurt airport?
20110128 20:35:09< Sirp> Ivanovic: well, they also didn't seem to have any wifi networks. :-/
20110128 20:35:20< Sirp> Ivanovic: it was somewhat exacerbated by me having to be there for some 7 hours. :)
20110128 20:35:22< Ivanovic> yeah, those are freaking uncommon in germany
20110128 20:35:26< Ivanovic> especialy free ones!
20110128 20:36:07< Ivanovic> (basically not possible due to strange laws regarding copyright and whatever (aka "if you do something bad via a free network the owner is liable")
20110128 20:36:17< Sirp> well I wasn't expecting it to be free. :)
20110128 20:36:20< Sirp> ahhh
20110128 20:36:41< Ivanovic> so you only find networks where you have to explicitly identify yourself and stuff like that
20110128 20:38:37< Ivanovic> though i would have expected them to at least have some t-mobile hotspots and stuff like this
20110128 20:39:50< Ivanovic> but these days 3g stuff is more common i'd guess
20110128 20:44:38< Sirp> Ivanovic: I do have to say that Lufthansa is a much nicer experience than the money-grubbing US airlines.
20110128 20:47:15< Ivanovic> yeah, lufthansa is really fine
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20110128 20:47:30< Ivanovic> the planes tend to be decent and you got some space for your legs
20110128 20:48:10< Ivanovic> (at least compared to eg united
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20110128 20:55:44< Ivanovic> mordante: and this year you can finally see the pandora for yourself
20110128 20:55:57< mordante> Ivanovic, looking forward to it :-)
20110128 20:56:03< Ivanovic> :)
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20110128 20:56:15< Ivanovic> maybe even with playing frogatto
20110128 20:56:25< Ivanovic> (at least wesnoth *does* work nicely)
20110128 20:56:38< mordante> you're trying to cross-compile frogatto?
20110128 20:56:50< Ivanovic> someone else is working on it (_pickle)
20110128 20:57:05< Ivanovic> he has a nice diff that should make it work, *but* at the moment it does crash
20110128 20:57:09< mordante> ah ok
20110128 20:57:13< Ivanovic> crash when leaving the initial house
20110128 20:57:22< Ivanovic> (likely a bug in the graphics driver)
20110128 20:57:34< Ivanovic> but yeah, i got that patch and will soon try to build a binary myself
20110128 20:58:39< mordante> I also had a crash with it recently, but not looked further into it
20110128 20:59:11< mordante> OGL works a lot faster with Squeeze :-)
20110128 20:59:20< Ivanovic> might try crosscompiling it with my sdk tomorrow, not sure yet
20110128 20:59:42< Ivanovic> not sure if it will compile nicely, not sure at all
20110128 21:00:11< mordante> good reason to try ;-)
20110128 21:00:20< Ivanovic> not today
20110128 21:00:22< Ivanovic> ;)
20110128 21:02:43< loonycyborg> I recently tried frogatto with unaccelerated nouveau driver and it was so slow as to be unplayable.
20110128 21:03:14< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: on the pandora it should be fine, speed of the device is comparable to the iphone 3gs
20110128 21:03:39< Ivanovic> and wesnoth is certainly fine on it (minus the crashes after some hours of playing because of "out of memory")
20110128 21:04:21< loonycyborg> What sort of video card does pandora have?
20110128 21:04:33< Ivanovic> some powervr chip
20110128 21:04:53< Ivanovic> yeah, using the proprietary driver that is known to suck
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20110128 21:05:23< mordante> for me unaccelerated was barely playable, but now it's rather smooth
20110128 21:05:24< loonycyborg> If it supports 3d acceleration it'll suck less than nouveou :P
20110128 21:05:42< Ivanovic> it has a (somehow working) opengl es driver
20110128 21:05:49< mordante> also tried warzone and without acceleration I was happy if it played decent at 800x600
20110128 21:06:03< mordante> now I run something like 1200x960 smoothly
20110128 21:06:57< loonycyborg> mordante: And what did change?
20110128 21:07:04< Ivanovic> the mesa version!
20110128 21:07:27< mordante> loonycyborg, update from Lenny to Squeeze so mesa, kernel and X
20110128 21:07:28< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: with a recent mesa you should have working 3d accel with noveau
20110128 21:07:33< Ivanovic> using the gallium stuff
20110128 21:07:45< loonycyborg> I'm using whatever is in gentoo's stable branch.
20110128 21:08:00< mordante> I use a onboard radeon chipset, so nothing fancy
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20110128 21:09:16< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: okay, mesa in there is most likely *ancient*
20110128 21:09:38< loonycyborg> It definitely has 'gallium' USE flag though.
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20110128 21:11:10< Ivanovic> yeah, stable is still 7.9(.0)
20110128 21:11:18< Ivanovic> which is ancient regarding noveau support
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20110128 21:12:26< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: have you set "nouveau" as video card?
20110128 21:13:14< loonycyborg> Yes. I'm pretty use that I'm using it based on Xorg logs and glxinfo.
20110128 21:13:53< Ivanovic> what does your log say? the driver might need some firmware file or the likes
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20110128 21:16:21< loonycyborg> I've booted from my old 32-bit gentoo partition right now which doesn't have nouveau installed. All this nouveou stuff on new 64-bit Gentoo partition to which I haven't quite moved yet.
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20110128 21:17:10< loonycyborg> Besides, nouveou wiki says that firmware is needed only for developers.
20110128 21:17:24< loonycyborg> It already can run without it.
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20110128 23:11:55< Ivanovic> mordante: you're going to package your multi outlet, right?
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20110128 23:29:39< Ivanovic> okay, sent a mail regarding fosdem to the dev-ml
20110128 23:29:47< Ivanovic> stuff like "what to package" and things like those
20110128 23:30:15< Ivanovic> Sirp: i assume that you got some adapter with you for conversion from EU plugs to the us version, right?
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20110128 23:56:02< Ivanovic> hi Greywhind
20110128 23:56:05< Ivanovic> grml
20110128 23:56:08< Ivanovic> hi grzywacz
20110128 23:56:15< Ivanovic> grzywacz: Sirp was looking for you
20110128 23:56:17< grzywacz> hey Ivanovic 
20110128 23:56:23< grzywacz> Ivanovic, ok
20110128 23:56:46< grzywacz> Sirp, still there?
20110128 23:56:56< Ivanovic> [20:18:07] <Sirp> Ivanovic: I was hoping to see grzywacz on so I could confirm bookings.
20110128 23:57:06< Ivanovic> he probably sent you a mail about stuff, too
20110128 23:57:12< grzywacz> Yes, he did.
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20110128 23:57:34< grzywacz> But... no idea why *I* was needed for bookings. :)
20110128 23:57:59< Ivanovic> grzywacz: i don't know either (since you got your bed at 2go4)
20110128 23:58:08< Ivanovic> grzywacz: when will your plane arrive in brussels?
20110128 23:58:19< grzywacz> Ivanovic, late :s
20110128 23:58:45< grzywacz> Ivanovic, 20:35 @ Charleroi
20110128 23:58:59< grzywacz> I may be able to get to Brussels Midi @ 10PM or so.
20110128 23:59:10< grzywacz> Then I have to figure out how to get to the hostel. ;)
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