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20110107 00:20:49< lu_zero> ok it was boost...
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20110107 00:34:56< SekoIdiootti> So Wesnoth is going down the way of commercialization death (paying people to make stuff to it)... :/
20110107 00:36:15< VurtualRuler98> yeah man who needs that "gameplay" thing
20110107 00:36:31< Aeth> omfg. GSoC is an evil because it pays people
20110107 00:36:44< Aeth> Ban GSoC to save and revive the Wesnoth project before it dies
20110107 00:36:45< Aeth> oh wait
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20110107 00:38:42< shadowmaster> don't feed the trolls
20110107 00:38:58< SekoIdiootti> Well, it kind of kills the "team spirit"
20110107 00:39:05< SekoIdiootti> imo of course
20110107 00:39:15< shadowmaster> yeah, your opinion is irrelevant, did you know?
20110107 00:39:22< SekoIdiootti> I know
20110107 00:39:27< shadowmaster> it's also a very ignorant opinion
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20110107 01:16:16< joo> Huh?
20110107 01:16:26< joo> Doesn't the money come from Google, not Wesnoth?
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20110107 04:39:50< un214> why is it that first blood so often loses?
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20110107 04:40:16< C27> Karma?
20110107 04:40:43< joo> Perhaps that puts them at a disadvantage
20110107 04:40:56< C27> Statistically it shouldn't
20110107 04:41:07< joo> How so?
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20110107 04:41:13< C27> but then, the RNG hates all of us
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20110107 04:41:44< C27> If ou deal more damage than you take in the first round you should have an advantage, all things equal
20110107 04:42:15< C27> *All things are never equal though
20110107 04:42:17< un214> I'll bet tacticaclly it's disadvantage
20110107 04:42:27< joo> Yes, that's what I meant.
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20110107 04:42:40< joo> And.. hmm
20110107 04:42:55< C27> No, tactically it's an advantage. It's just often much less than random variance.
20110107 04:43:11< un214> last game I played, opponent drew first blood
20110107 04:43:15< un214> against drake at dawn
20110107 04:43:26< shadowmaster> 4/41
20110107 04:43:29< un214> I cleaned up 2 of his and a third had 1hp on my next move
20110107 04:43:51< C27> If you stretch your lines too far, you could be in for trouble though as it's harder to reinfocrce
20110107 04:44:08< C27> but hitting first and then falling back to a strong line should put you ahead
20110107 04:44:20< un214> I basically rolled up the line that he made to hit me
20110107 04:44:35< C27> He did it at dawn, so you gained day advantage right after
20110107 04:44:46< un214> my counterstrike was at down
20110107 04:44:48< un214> dawn
20110107 04:44:50< C27> that might have a lot to do with it
20110107 04:44:53< C27> ah
20110107 04:45:09< un214> I had a nearly won game before I had day advantage
20110107 04:45:30< C27> It's a tough balance between time to reinforce and having more villages
20110107 04:45:41< un214> AoH = time to reinforce
20110107 04:46:20< C27> but generally, if you can manage to hang onto more villages you'll come out ahead eventually
20110107 04:46:30< un214> My next wave of recruits barely got to fight
20110107 04:50:14< Aethaeryn> In a FFA games, first blood usually *does* lose.
20110107 04:50:28< un214> 2v2
20110107 04:50:42< un214> but yeah FFA the odd man out in the first strike should win
20110107 04:50:54< Aethaeryn> Essentially, the player who is neither attacked nor is attacking will win the game if he times his attack right in a FFA. Too early and there's no advantage, too late and one side is already with a big advantage in villages.
20110107 04:50:55< un214> advantage to playing 50% guardsmen
20110107 04:51:17< Aethaeryn> So, you don't necessarily win, but it's bsaically your game to lose.
20110107 04:51:39< un214> I win a good 50% of 3T games I play
20110107 04:51:48< Aethaeryn> 3T are too predictable.
20110107 04:51:52< un214> I don't play enough 4T to be statistically significant
20110107 04:51:55< Aethaeryn> I like 4-6 player FFAs
20110107 04:52:11< Aethaeryn> I do have a high win percentage, but there are some players who are clearly superior to me in FFAs, like Blarumyrran
20110107 04:52:13< un214> I play quite a bit of 6P rumbles
20110107 04:52:21< un214> I win 30-50% of them.
20110107 04:52:32< Aethaeryn> But against a random person, I tend to play conservatively and diplomatic, then attack the winning player before he can secure a lead. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
20110107 04:52:56< un214> I have been known to attack the losing player to win 3T
20110107 04:53:00< Aethaeryn> The longer I can hold out on recruiting a full army, the better I am. Lack of upkeep and lack of combat will give me a handful more units than everyone else.
20110107 04:53:07< un214> haha yes
20110107 04:53:16< Aethaeryn> And yeah, sometimes it's better to attack the losing player.
20110107 04:53:18< Aethaeryn> It depends.
20110107 04:53:22< un214> I pulled a good move in 3T
20110107 04:53:29< Aethaeryn> If the losing player is holding the front, take his villages before the winning one can break through.
20110107 04:53:38< un214> opponent was scouting saw that I was at peace with other opponent
20110107 04:53:38< Aethaeryn> If the winning player is stretched out, cut his army in half.
20110107 04:53:54< un214> thought I had 2 units in the area (third had 1)
20110107 04:54:05< un214> found out after he sent four scouts in I had 4 woses in ambush position
20110107 04:54:18< Aethaeryn> haha
20110107 04:54:20< un214> I was already ahead
20110107 04:54:27< un214> that turned it into game-winning
20110107 04:54:39< un214> the other two even by allying against me could no longer win
20110107 04:54:49< Aethaeryn> When I host Master of Dungeons, I will put woses/rangers in trees.
20110107 04:55:01< Aethaeryn> It's just too fun
20110107 04:55:03< un214> what is Master of Dungeons?
20110107 04:55:16< Aethaeryn> Host basically has debug mode and map editor.
20110107 04:55:22< un214> haha
20110107 04:55:30< Aethaeryn> The goal for the host is to entertain not to win, since the host could just yeti them on turn 1
20110107 04:55:49< un214> of course
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20110107 05:01:22< Aethaeryn> I need to work on speeding up the slow parts of the game though
20110107 05:01:51< Aethaeryn> It's hard to do a map editor via right click menus in a quick way
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20110107 05:03:32< un214> could prebuild the map
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20110107 10:33:37< Ivanovic> moin
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20110107 13:53:53< Soul_keeper> anyone want to play my team survival scenario with me ?
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20110107 18:17:02< ancestral> http://imagebin.org/131476
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20110107 18:24:36< ancestral> Hi
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20110107 19:00:10< SekoIdiootti> I take back what I said yesterday.
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20110107 19:01:00< sideways> we forgive you
20110107 19:01:16< SekoIdiootti> "Forgive" is an awesome word
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20110107 19:03:20< PetePorty> What did you do?
20110107 19:03:55< SekoIdiootti> Well... read the logs.
20110107 19:04:35< sideways> I don't know either but it seemed like he wanted forgiveness
20110107 19:04:40< sideways> let me know when you do
20110107 19:05:11< SekoIdiootti> ...I said wesnoth was doomed because they pay people.
20110107 19:05:15< SekoIdiootti> or something
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20110107 20:13:57< ancestral> http://imagebin.org/131489
20110107 20:14:55< Crendgrim> what exactly is that?
20110107 20:16:43< ancestral> Me fooling around with a possible trading card back
20110107 20:17:16< ancestral> I have an experimental Wesnoth add-on I'm creating
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20110107 22:27:40< yermandu> hiall, its possible install svn and play official server im mp?
20110107 22:32:54< Gambit> there's a trunk server but nobody uses it
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20110107 22:36:02< yermandu> gambit: i try connect to server2.wesnoth.org or server.wesnoth.org and i always go to "Welcome to official trunk server"
20110107 22:36:38< Gambit> Yes that's the one.
20110107 22:37:31< yermandu> gambit: ok so, to play multiplayer is need official release?
20110107 22:37:47< Gambit> Yes if you want to play multiplayer you should download 1.8.5
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