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20110109 02:03:30< Hulavuta> Gambit: It hasn't happened yet
20110109 02:03:34< Hulavuta> But it might soon
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20110109 10:32:57< Ivanovic> moin
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20110109 17:39:00< jpi80> Does anybody knows anything about the Lintanir Forest and the River Listra?
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20110109 20:20:49< dissociative> when I stop a some replay in wesnoth 1.8.5 it crashes everytime
20110109 20:21:41< dissociative> erm when I press the stop button
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20110109 20:24:54< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, no pressies? :(
20110109 20:26:17< dissociative> bwahaha
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20110109 20:32:01< dissociative> isar cross in 5 turns
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20110109 20:46:33< Unnheulu> Heya elias
20110109 20:47:27< elias> hi Unnheulu 
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20110109 21:00:33< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no what?
20110109 21:02:13< Unnheulu> Presents :P
20110109 21:02:20< Unnheulu> Anyways, I'm off to revise
20110109 21:02:39< shadowmaster> revise?
20110109 21:02:55< Unnheulu> Look over stuff
20110109 21:03:03< Unnheulu> Meh d/w
20110109 21:03:23< Unnheulu> Basically I'm going away and not talking, not that I talk that much here now-a-days
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20110109 21:24:06< ancestral> You know, there's a reason to separate UMC from mainline campaigns. 95% of the UMC stuff isn't even finished. By a long shot!
20110109 21:24:10< ancestral> Heh
20110109 21:24:40< Gambit> Meta IRC discussions :o
20110109 21:24:49< Gambit> The posting guidelines can't get us here :@
20110109 21:25:06< Gambit> ancestral: Yeah the guy does not understand the effects of what he's asking.
20110109 21:25:13< ancestral> No he doesn't
20110109 21:25:20< ancestral> Well the thing that gets me is
20110109 21:25:38< ancestral> People who feel so strongly about these ideas don't actually do anything
20110109 21:26:07< ancestral> I mean, maybe there's value in it. The way to find out is to prototype it
20110109 21:26:26< ancestral> See if it does work or not
20110109 21:26:45< ancestral> Actually determine what work would need to be done to make it work right
20110109 21:27:06< elias> ancestral: you're the one who started the "wesnoth bestiary" once, right?
20110109 21:27:13< ancestral> Yes, I'm still working on it
20110109 21:27:18< elias> oh, nice
20110109 21:27:24< ancestral> elias: Thanks for asking :)
20110109 21:27:31< elias> was wondering how to replace/integrate units.wesnoth.org with it
20110109 21:27:35< ancestral> Presentation-wise it's pretty much complete
20110109 21:27:47< ancestral> Well, it's up to the devs, once it's complete
20110109 21:28:02< ancestral> For now, it's just a companion
20110109 21:28:09< Soliton> s/devs/elias/
20110109 21:28:16< elias> yeah, i recently stared work on units.wesnoth.org again... so it has the newest data now - but can't compare with your stuff presentation wise
20110109 21:28:22< Gambit> Hehe.
20110109 21:28:26< ancestral> Ah
20110109 21:28:33< ancestral> Then you are the one to talk to!
20110109 21:28:53< ancestral> elias: Any experience with web apps?
20110109 21:28:58< ancestral> by chance?
20110109 21:29:01< elias> no
20110109 21:29:08< ancestral> Mmkay
20110109 21:29:19< ancestral> So I have two routes I can go with this
20110109 21:29:33< elias> the bit of javascript used on addons.wesnoth.org i just copy&pasted from somewhere :P
20110109 21:29:43< ancestral> 1. Integrate with a web app framework
20110109 21:29:48< ancestral> (three routes)
20110109 21:30:05< ancestral> 2. Serve up PHP and force reload every time a new page is loaded
20110109 21:30:13< ancestral> 3. Go fully JavaScript
20110109 21:30:31< shadowmaster> 3 is bad.
20110109 21:30:37< ancestral> Because?
20110109 21:30:54< elias> for the server it would be good i think as it would mostly run on the client
20110109 21:30:54< shadowmaster> there are some people (one dev included) who like to browse with Javascript disabled.
20110109 21:31:31< shadowmaster> the server has lots of processing power to spare, FWIW (unless you start compiling C++ on it, which I guess you won't)
20110109 21:32:04< ancestral> Then I'm going to have to force a reload
20110109 21:32:07< shadowmaster> for the PHP route you could use some kind of server-side cache like phpBB uses
20110109 21:33:13< ancestral> shadowmaster: I'm going to have to use a web app framework or force a reload whenever someone clicks on a unit
20110109 21:33:23< ancestral> Which isn't the end of the world, I was just hoping for something a little more dynamic
20110109 21:33:35< elias> is a test version of it up somewhere?
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20110109 21:34:00< ancestral> There was, hang on
20110109 21:35:00< Gambit> ancestral: ajax?
20110109 21:35:08< ancestral> That would be JavaScript
20110109 21:35:21< ancestral> Which apparently some people don't use these days
20110109 21:35:27< Soliton> who cares.
20110109 21:35:40< Gambit> Oh right.
20110109 21:35:41< ancestral> Maybe shadowmaster does along with a couple of devs?
20110109 21:35:42< Soliton> tell them to turn it on when they want to see the site properly.
20110109 21:35:44< elias> what would other webapp frameworks use? html5?
20110109 21:36:01< shadowmaster> ancestral: I said that it was bad, not that it was a "no-no" :)
20110109 21:36:01< ancestral> Hey, this is gonna be on your site, for everyone. I want to make it so people are happy.
20110109 21:36:05< ancestral> Okay :)
20110109 21:36:23< Gambit> ancestral: perhaps you should do both and detect if they have javascript disabled (and annoy them about it)
20110109 21:36:28< ancestral> elias: Some combination of PHP/JavaScript/Ruby/Python/Perl etc.
20110109 21:36:32< Soliton> i don't know where "the server has lots of processing power to spare" comes from anyway.
20110109 21:36:37< ancestral> But the extra effort may not be worth it
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20110109 21:36:45< ancestral> Gambit: That's a possibility
20110109 21:37:01< elias> ancestral: yes, so basically, javascript is always required unless you want to serve a new static page for each change...
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20110109 21:37:50< elias> since it would be the only running client side of those
20110109 21:38:06< ancestral> Ah yes, I remember now
20110109 21:38:16< ancestral> I need to talk to AI
20110109 21:38:28< ancestral> the JSON output isn't valid
20110109 21:41:01< elias> probably easy to fix
20110109 21:43:42< ancestral> let me run wmlparser2 over again
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20110109 22:12:52< Unnheulu> Hiya SekoIdiootti
20110109 22:12:59< SekoIdiootti> hi
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20110109 22:16:31< joo> SekoIdiootti, where does the "Seko" part of your name come from?
20110109 22:16:43< SekoIdiootti> it means "crazy"
20110109 22:16:48< joo> Ah.
20110109 22:16:50< SekoIdiootti> in finnish
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20110109 23:55:52< adius> hi, is it possible to play this game online with someone who is using a different OS?
20110109 23:56:08< un214> yes
20110109 23:56:26< adius> when my brother joins the official server, he can only see like three people in the lobby
20110109 23:56:40< adius> he's on linux and i'm on windows
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20110109 23:56:59< un214> sounds like one of you got the dev branch
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20110109 23:57:16< un214> the one with three people in lobby for sure
20110109 23:57:29< un214> or otherwise not 1.8.* version
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