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Use the alternates. | http://TGT.wesnoth.org | http://coc.wesnoth.org | stats: http://wesnothd.wesnoth.org | alternate MP servers: basilic.tuxfamily.org and gonzo.dicp.de | replay archive: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6471 | http://wesnoth.org/replays | #wesnoth-mp-lobby | #wesnoth-mp-lobby-dev 20110113 05:06:20-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110113 05:06:20-!- Gambit [~Gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110113 05:15:32-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: ...] 20110113 05:34:04< vultraz> hey i found a bug. In wesnoth 1.9.3 on Mac Os X 5.8. When i try to change the resolution of the window when it is not full screen, wesnoth crashes when i click pk. 20110113 05:34:07< vultraz> ok* 20110113 05:34:17< vultraz> is this the right place to say? 20110113 05:35:18< vultraz> or is this already known? 20110113 05:41:57< vultraz> anyone? 20110113 05:44:02< vultraz> btw, if its full screen theres no problem changing the res 20110113 05:44:18< hagabaka> you can search for it on the bugzilla 20110113 05:44:44< vultraz> where is that? 20110113 05:44:59< vultraz> never heard of it 20110113 05:45:10< hagabaka> from the home page, click Project Page, and look there 20110113 05:45:33< vultraz> ok 20110113 05:46:25< hagabaka> it's common to have to wait for hours to get a response on IRC, so you don't need to really ask if anyone's here. if that's too long, just ask on the forums 20110113 05:46:47< vultraz> ok 20110113 05:46:56< vultraz> couple hpurs is OK 20110113 05:47:01< vultraz> hours* 20110113 05:47:19< vultraz> i just leave my computer and do something else :P 20110113 05:47:45< hagabaka> I don't have this crash 20110113 05:48:10< vultraz> strange 20110113 05:48:18< vultraz> keeps doing it to me 20110113 05:48:49< vultraz> i have to be in full screen to change res safely 20110113 06:00:05-!- Kleptomane21 [~hobbes@S01060019e3d6aaa1.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20110113 06:02:01-!- hagabaka [~hagabaka@unaffiliated/hagabaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110113 06:02:24-!- hagabaka [~hagabaka@unaffiliated/hagabaka] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 06:04:01-!- un214 [~un214@adsl-75-45-25-77.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110113 06:17:22-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-249-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 06:18:15-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-249-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110113 06:19:09-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-249-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 06:20:08-!- Mkaysi [~Mkaysi@unaffiliated/mkaysi] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 06:36:47-!- Archon [~Archon@CPE-121-210-224-41.tqzp1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 06:37:01< Archon> Is there anything wrong with the official server at the moment? 20110113 06:41:41< shadowmaster> besides what the topic says, no 20110113 06:42:41-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20110113 06:42:57-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 06:45:32 * Archon slasp head 20110113 06:46:01-!- DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.113.224] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 07:00:13-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-249-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20110113 07:00:14-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110113 07:02:10-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-171-160-214.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20110113 07:02:49-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 07:10:51-!- mthe [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 07:18:26-!- C27 [~chatzilla@c-98-247-251-224.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] --- Log opened Thu Jan 13 07:28:20 2011 20110113 07:28:28-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 07:28:28-!- Topic for #wesnoth: The main server is having problems. 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Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110113 07:36:52-!- LightFighter [~LightFigh@d114024.upc-d.chello.nl] has left #wesnoth [] 20110113 07:42:43-!- Cookie [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 07:43:08-!- Cookie is now known as Guest86713 20110113 07:45:01-!- Cookiee [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20110113 07:49:06< vultraz> how do i save a text file as .cfg in macos x? 20110113 07:49:25< vultraz> just type ".cfg" at the end? 20110113 07:54:39-!- kane77 [~kane@194.1.130.108] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 20110113 07:55:51-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin] 20110113 08:04:45-!- Guest86713 [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has quit [Quit: OH. 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zookeeper> then make it as an add-on instead of sticking maps to ~editor/maps/ 20110113 10:00:18< vultraz> ok 20110113 10:01:14< zookeeper> also you want user_team_name, not user_team_tags.. 20110113 10:05:18-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 10:10:26< vultraz> i moved the map and its folder to add-ons and left the .cfg in editor/maps 20110113 10:10:35< vultraz> and it still doesn't work 20110113 10:11:36< Soliton> why do you think a cfg in editor/maps makes sense? 20110113 10:11:39-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110113 10:12:20-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 10:13:15< zookeeper> just move your .cfg to youraddon/_main.cfg 20110113 10:14:16< zookeeper> then, if your map include still doesn't work, then look how it's done right and fix it 20110113 10:15:18< vultraz> yeah i have the original Dark castle RPG .cfg open next to mie 20110113 10:15:22< vultraz> mine* 20110113 10:16:06< vultraz> so put the .cfg in a folder called _main.cfg? 20110113 10:17:44< vultraz> but if the .cfg file isnt in editor/maps, how do i have the map open and see the changes as i edit the cfg? 20110113 10:18:26< zookeeper> no, don't put the .cfg in _____ a folder called _main.cfg ________. 20110113 10:19:05< zookeeper> you're aware that the map editor has a file browser with which you can open your map even if it's not in editor/maps? 20110113 10:19:14< vultraz> no 20110113 10:19:18< vultraz> it does? 20110113 10:19:45< zookeeper> yeah, it's called the "open" button which you usually use when you want to open a map. 20110113 10:19:53< zookeeper> or quite possibly it's named "load". frankly i don't want to check. 20110113 10:26:55-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2e3a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110113 10:26:55-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 10:27:35-!- 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You can't do "math.sqrt(n)" without having first imported math. 20110113 22:47:43< Aethaeryn> Well, I guess one way to test if one is decisively faster is to call it many, many times and time it. 20110113 22:53:25< Aethaeryn> At 1000 iterations in Python: 0.000432014465332 for math.sqrt() and 0.000411033630371 for ** 0.5; At 1,000,000 iterations: 0.420882940292 for math.sqrt() and 0.422744989395 for ** 0.5; at 10,000,000: 4.24958896637 for math.sqrt() and 4.23732686043 for ** 0.5 20110113 22:53:45< Aethaeryn> Given such small differences, I think in Python they are in effect the same thing. 20110113 22:54:21< elias> yeah 20110113 22:55:07< elias> in python the time for the actual calculation can be neglected 20110113 22:55:15< elias> i was more thinking of C++ 20110113 22:56:14< elias> if you call 10 million empty functions in python you probably get to 4 seconds as well 20110113 22:56:46-!- HosenJack [~FYMLIFYM@ip-62-143-120-102.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110113 22:57:07-!- Kleptomane21 [~hobbes@S01060019e3d6aaa1.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:00:06-!- amore23 [~chatzilla@99-104-149-74.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:00:06< Aethaeryn> elias: Python is just the one I am most fluent in. 20110113 23:00:19< Aethaeryn> I am going to try some other languages out for fun since this seems like rather simple code. 20110113 23:00:34-!- barra_away is now known as barra_home 20110113 23:00:41< Aethaeryn> Time a, loop, sqrt, time b, loop, ^.5, time c. Print b - a, Print c - b. 20110113 23:09:55-!- dipseydoodle [~mwkich@70.15.235.113.res-cmts.ovr.ptd.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:10:30< Aethaeryn> In Lua, math.sqrt() appears to be consistently slower, although only slightly. 20110113 23:14:23-!- dipseydoodle [~mwkich@70.15.235.113.res-cmts.ovr.ptd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20110113 23:14:57-!- RedAdder [~Peter@p5089653F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:15:15-!- ancestral [~ancestral@mobile-166-137-142-143.mycingular.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:23:08-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@29.138.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110113 23:26:17-!- skyfaller [~skyfaller@wikipedia/Skyfaller] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110113 23:26:25-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20110113 23:27:21-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20110113 23:27:46< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: precission is important too 20110113 23:28:10< Tomsik> check how close square of the result is to the original number 20110113 23:28:31< Tomsik> and python has a great overhead of being interpreted and dynamically typed 20110113 23:30:52-!- matthiaskrgr_ [~web@sonic.surgehost.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110113 23:31:36-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-99-171-160-214.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:40:41-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110113 23:46:55< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: I know that in Python they're identical. 20110113 23:47:05< Aethaeryn> I'm pretty sure Python uses the same thing at this point. 20110113 23:47:15< Aethaeryn> Not sure about other languages. 20110113 23:47:26< Aethaeryn> Got sidetracked by Facebook between Lua and C++ 20110113 23:47:49< Tomsik> Well, if overhead is 20 units and difference in actual functions is 1.5 unit, then well 20110113 23:47:56< Tomsik> it won't make difference in python 20110113 23:48:01-!- rafusy [rav@torvalds.rootnode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20110113 23:48:05< Tomsik> because python is slow by design 20110113 23:50:04< Aethaeryn> Yes, it's almost twice as slow as Lua in this calculation. 20110113 23:50:49< Aethaeryn> Obviously, if speed matters don't do a scripting language (Python, Perl, Lua, Ruby, Tcl, bash, whatever) 20110113 23:51:24< Tomsik> That's some deep thought, man 20110113 23:51:26< Aethaeryn> For calculations, there are programming languages for that niche 20110113 23:53:45< Tomsik> There's a language for anything 20110113 23:54:06< Gambit> janebot is written in lolcode. 20110113 23:54:16< hagabaka> a lot of times the language itself won't be a bottleneck 20110113 23:54:31-!- matthiaskrgr_ [~web@sonic.surgehost.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110113 23:55:41< Tomsik> hagabaka: but different languages are better at expressing different things 20110113 23:58:46< grzywacz> Tomsik 20110113 23:59:04< hagabaka> yeah, but if we're just talking about "calculations" (plus logic that would require a generic programming language), python should be expressive enough 20110113 23:59:52-!- skyfaller [~skyfaller@wikipedia/Skyfaller] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Jan 14 00:00:16 2011