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20110123 00:14:08< hagabaka> Aethaeryn: I mean develop the library to a form so a lot of addons can make use of it to simplify their code, and lobby addon developers to use it and contribute to it. There are addons which use dependencies and just say so in the description, and it's not that bad
20110123 00:14:27< Xandal> Hey, anyone know if a leader from one faction can recruit units from another faction? ie: Elves recruiting a loyalist unit through hard coding it in a scenario
20110123 00:16:06< hagabaka> I'm pretty sure it can be done, doesn't HttT do it too?
20110123 00:17:39< Xandal> Tested, it can be done.
20110123 00:18:06< Xandal> just put the unit under the "recruit" tag for a side.
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20110123 00:20:23< neila> hey guys
20110123 00:21:06< neila> i just tried to use a unit from the UtBS in an MP addon. with no success
20110123 00:22:04< neila> i hoped that they are acesseble, but are campaingn units somehow filtered out in Addons ? but units from other Addons are aviable .. or does it have to do with multiplayer ?
20110123 00:22:14< Aethaeryn> hagabaka: It is an issue of chicken and egg. A better dependency system vs. better dependencies. One would encourage the other but what comes first?
20110123 00:24:28< neila> so there is a general problem or is that solvable by adding a "dependency" ?
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20110123 00:30:53< zookeeper> neila, MP add-ons include their units in MP. campaigns don't.
20110123 00:31:53< zookeeper> if you need mainline campaign units in MP then 1) you need to include them just like units are always included and 2) don't do it because then people who don't have that mainline campaign can't play it.
20110123 00:32:13< VurtualRuler98> Wh-
20110123 00:32:16< VurtualRuler98> Why wouldn't they have it?
20110123 00:33:02< zookeeper> well because they don't have it. what kind of a question is that?
20110123 00:33:29< VurtualRuler98> [Meanwhile, at NASA, the first moonbase is being discussed.]
20110123 00:33:55< VurtualRuler98> "Okay, so, we'll need some good oxygen systems here, that supports multiple kinds of-" "What? Aren't air filtrators enough?"
20110123 00:34:07< VurtualRuler98> "No, no, what if some of the astronauts don't have lungs?"
20110123 00:35:28< VurtualRuler98> Although in this case it'd probably be easier to cut-and-paste things, than say, magically giving everyone lungs by entering the building.
20110123 00:36:22< neila> how could i include units from there ?
20110123 00:37:11< zookeeper> the same way units are always included, by having a [+units]
20110123 00:37:45< neila> hmm usualy i just had a [units_type] i think
20110123 00:38:04< neila> seems i missed alot here
20110123 00:39:46< VurtualRuler98> This is why I generally stay away from things involving philosiphy.
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20110123 00:40:35< VurtualRuler98> That, and said philosiphy often collapses upon itself in an attempt to support related but nonfunctional philosiphy.
20110123 00:41:29< hagabaka> for example debian packages mainline campaigns as separate packages
20110123 00:49:05< neila> hmm now i learned how that stuff works a lot more
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20110123 01:21:29< neila> thanks all, it seems to include units from mainline campaings a [+unit] has to be used .. what is not transfered in MP even if the other players have the mainline instaled, (its actualy a macro that does the copy/paste than)
20110123 01:21:56< neila> so in that case all players need the addon and the campaign .. that is the oposite of what i wanted ...
20110123 01:22:57< neila> since i hoped to make the addon not need to be instaled for all players
20110123 01:23:30< neila> but i wonder here
20110123 01:24:19< neila> if a [+unit] is used in an addon ... its avialble to all other addons ? .. but in the mainline campaigns this is done different ?
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20110123 01:32:26< shadowmaster> mainline campaigns are isolated at preprocessing time
20110123 01:32:58< shadowmaster> that is not the case for MP add-ons, which are parsed all at once based on the definition of the MULTIPLAYER symbol
20110123 01:34:40< neila> yes that i wanted to know, its hardcoded or is it done my defines in the addons ?
20110123 01:34:50< neila> sorry i mean the campaingn
20110123 01:35:53< shadowmaster> not sure what you mean :/
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20110123 01:36:57< neila> :) i ment is there something in the c code that treads addons, core and campaings different .. or has it to do with the WML used
20110123 01:37:26< shadowmaster> campaigns, user-made or not, are treated all in one way
20110123 01:37:37< shadowmaster> multiplayer scenarios and eras, user-made or not, are treated in a different way
20110123 01:39:00< neila> but how does the interpreter know what to use, an addon could have a campaingn and a MP era in once
20110123 01:39:39< neila> and stuff like [+units] was a root tag, or i just missed its included into something else like [multiplayer] 
20110123 01:40:07< shadowmaster> [units] is in the root (unnamed) node indeed.
20110123 01:40:38< shadowmaster> [+units] appends to the [units] that is in data/core/units.cfg
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20110123 01:43:13< neila> yeah .. so i thought that just all "_main.cfgs" found are parsed at start of whatever
20110123 01:44:03< neila> but never mind, i dont have to maintain the core, so no reason to understand it 100%
20110123 01:44:22< shadowmaster> they are, whenever the WML parser cache gets reset, which is the case when starting a new SP campaign, or when entering the MP lobby
20110123 01:45:01< shadowmaster> (the game defines the chosen [campaign]'s define symbol, or MULTIPLAYER, respectively)
20110123 01:46:36< neila> ah ok .. so the code uses idefs than to exclude theire stuff
20110123 01:46:43< neila> *ifdefs
20110123 01:46:49< shadowmaster> yes
20110123 01:47:10< neila> k i got it now
20110123 01:47:32< neila> thanks alot, cu all
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20110123 05:40:52< ancestral> Cookie_: Have you checked out Bestiary lately? Like in the past week?
20110123 05:41:29< ancestral> I have a few things to sort out and fix, but yeah
20110123 05:41:32< ancestral> If anyone is curious: http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/#ancient_lich
20110123 05:41:42< Cookie_> ^^
20110123 05:41:43< Cookie_> i saw
20110123 05:42:01< Cookie_> the scroll and the expandable page
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20110123 10:56:42< Ivanovic> moin
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