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20110124 01:30:29< vultraz> i see 1.9.4 has recently be released.
20110124 01:31:04< vultraz> Since 1.8 only went up to .5, is 1.9 going to stop there and 1.10 come out soon?
20110124 01:32:25< Gambit> vultraz: no
20110124 01:32:36< Gambit> That's not how that works.
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20110124 01:33:35< vultraz> :(
20110124 01:34:20< vultraz> i was hoping that it WOULD stop at 1.9.5..... I'm really anxious about 1.10  
20110124 01:34:30< Gambit> well you don't want it out too soon :P
20110124 01:34:37< Gambit> 1.9 still has a lot of unfinished things in it
20110124 01:34:43< shadowmaster> and bugs.
20110124 01:35:01< Gambit> You don't want another 1.8.0 do you? [/below the belt]
20110124 01:35:18< vultraz> was 1.8.0 VERY BAD?
20110124 01:35:29< vultraz> i didn't do Wesnoth until 1.9.2
20110124 01:35:41< shadowmaster> 1.8.0 was a flop
20110124 01:36:00< vultraz> :P
20110124 01:36:17< vultraz> well, don't want 1.10 to be like that
20110124 01:36:18< shadowmaster> the new MP lobby made the game rather unusable
20110124 01:39:06< vultraz> i like the interface, though
20110124 01:40:16< ancestral> shadowmaster: You underestimate the number of singleplayer users out there :-P
20110124 01:40:34< shadowmaster> I used to overestimate it
20110124 01:41:02< ancestral> Blueblaze will tell me that any addon idea I have is useless unless it's multi
20110124 01:41:20< shadowmaster> asfdsafsag
20110124 01:42:31< ancestral> I couldn't agree more with that statement
20110124 01:42:40< ancestral> Well put
20110124 01:48:20< vultraz> so when is 1.10 expected. 4-5 months?
20110124 01:49:42< Gambit> shikadibot: IIRWIIR
20110124 01:49:42 * shikadibot is offended
20110124 01:49:45< Gambit> :\
20110124 01:49:50< Gambit> vultraz: it is ready when it is ready
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20110124 01:53:47< vultraz> kk
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20110124 01:54:42< ancestral> vultraz: 4d4 months
20110124 01:55:06< vultraz> 4 days 4 months?
20110124 01:55:16< ancestral> No, roll a 4-sided die 4 times
20110124 01:55:25< ancestral> Hehe
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20110124 01:57:32< shadowmaster> %4d4
20110124 01:57:33< Rei2> shadowmaster: 10
20110124 01:57:39< shadowmaster> 10 whatevers
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20110124 01:57:53< shadowmaster> ah, 10 months
20110124 01:58:21< ancestral> I didn't say it was going to be accurate
20110124 01:58:29< ancestral> I also didn't say it would be the same for everyone either
20110124 01:58:37< ancestral> Think of it like the answer "42"
20110124 01:59:09< ancestral> shadowmaster: Though that would be kind of cool, if 1.10 was released earlier for some people and later for others
20110124 01:59:31< shadowmaster> technically
20110124 01:59:32< ancestral> "Guess what? You've been a jerk on the forums! You'll get to play 1.10 two months later than everyone else."
20110124 01:59:40< shadowmaster> every version is released earlier for the test audience
20110124 01:59:40< ancestral> Technically that's what the developer releases are
20110124 01:59:43< ancestral> ye
20110124 02:00:27< ancestral> If people want it released sooner, tell them to travel forward in time
20110124 02:00:35< vultraz> :P
20110124 02:00:44< vultraz> so 1.9 is 1.10 dev?
20110124 02:00:48< ancestral> Forward time travel is known to work and be possible
20110124 02:00:53< ancestral> vultraz: Yes
20110124 02:00:57< shadowmaster> ancestral: eh, no I mean that every released version is announced much later than the tag time
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20110124 04:34:25< un214> finally got another reproduction and submission of that network disconnect bug
20110124 04:34:36< un214> #17559
20110124 04:34:43< un214> Warning: mysql_result() [function.mysql-result]: Unable to jump to row 0 on MySQL result index 59 in /usr/src/savane/frontend/php/include/database.php on line 313
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20110124 04:35:02< un214> can someone verify the bug exists please
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20110124 06:33:02< neila> again i fail at f*** easy stuff .. after it took me 1h to find out than "Length" instead of "length" made everything fail
20110124 06:34:03< neila> i now just want to have an easy filter that gives all locations that can be walked on by normal units .. i mean all but not void, shroud and that stuff .. impasseble mountains  ... and so on
20110124 06:34:58< neila> something with [not] and ^X^ i guess, but
20110124 06:35:47< shadowmaster> [not] terrain=X*,Q*,*^X* [/not]
20110124 06:36:06< shadowmaster> shroud and fog are nly used in terrain masks so they shouldn't be relevant.
20110124 06:36:56< neila> fog is everywhere :)
20110124 06:37:22< shadowmaster> don't confuse the "fog" terrain with the in-game fog layer
20110124 06:37:35< neila> so now the 2nd part .. i want to get all that around a  fixed (x,y) with a radius like 2 ?
20110124 06:37:42< shadowmaster> (in particular, there's no way to filter fog of war)
20110124 06:37:53< neila> the radius i know is difficult to combine with stuff ?
20110124 06:37:57< shadowmaster> also, don't use Q*, because those are unwalkable terrains on which some units *can* fly
20110124 06:38:29< neila> so only X is relavalt?
20110124 06:38:42< neila> but what is X*  vs *^X* ?
20110124 06:39:19< shadowmaster> X* are base impassable terrains like Xv (void), Xos (wall), Xu (Cave wall), etc.
20110124 06:39:38< shadowmaster> *^X* matches terrains with an impassable layer (^Xi), impassable mountains (^Xm) and so on
20110124 06:40:08< neila> ah i see *X* would match maybe stuff that uses an X for something else
20110124 06:40:30< shadowmaster> yeah, although uppercase letters shouldn't appear in the middle of the base or layer components
20110124 06:42:12< neila> so [store_locations] x=.. y=.. radius=2 [not] terrain=X*, *^V* [/not] variable=xxx [/store_locations] 
20110124 06:42:13< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/XS4vEymJ should match all impassable terrain around XX,YY in a radius of RR
20110124 06:42:26< neila> mmight that work or i made mistake again ..?
20110124 06:42:34< shadowmaster> *^X*, not *^V* (villages)
20110124 06:42:40< shadowmaster> otherwise, fine
20110124 06:42:54< neila> oh thanks you did it for me already :)
20110124 06:43:39< neila> now just a very little extra the location x,y itself .. wil it be always [0] or  do i have to exclude it somehow ?
20110124 06:44:30< shadowmaster> it will be in the array only if it matches the criteria too
20110124 06:45:08< neila> :) that was a so obvious case for me that i was not thinking about that of course ... 
20110124 06:45:50< neila> but i just realised that for what i need it does not matter if i have the x,y itself in it
20110124 06:46:18< neila> so thanks you very much .. i more and more understand all that stuff .. but stil a typo can cost 1h to bugfix
20110124 06:48:33< neila> will [capture_village] with just x,y and no side attribute set it to neutral ?
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20110124 06:52:28< shadowmaster> I don't remember.
20110124 06:52:54< neila> k will know soon
20110124 06:53:08< shadowmaster> guess what, it does! http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DirectActionsWML#.5Bcapture_village.5D
20110124 06:53:12< shadowmaster> ;)
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20110124 06:56:09< neila> i should read more ... :)
20110124 06:56:40< neila> and .. if a units movement costs is nearly everywhere 1 .. but on villages its set to 100
20110124 06:57:03< neila> does this affect all villages or can it be that sunken villages or something gets a 1 ?
20110124 06:57:38< neila> i mean does it realy prevent that unit to ever enter anykind of village ?
20110124 06:57:44< shadowmaster> not really sure -- I think in those cases the game chooses the worst movement costs between the base terrain (water) and the layer (village)
20110124 06:58:04< shadowmaster> so it'd probably pick the village movement cost (100)
20110124 06:58:38< neila> because like when have water with this .. how its caled again ? . like a flat land thing ... 
20110124 06:58:54< neila> than i think units get the better thing
20110124 06:59:18< neila> and on forrest_hils it was the oposite ... 
20110124 06:59:29< shadowmaster> yeah, that depends on the terrain definition
20110124 07:00:18< neila> sound like i just have to try it also
20110124 07:04:01< neila> hmm mountain villages get the 1 not the 100  :(
20110124 07:04:58< neila> also water and cave ... 
20110124 07:05:32< neila> so to make a unit to never capture a village, i would need another solution 
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20110124 08:04:13< neila> zookeeper you there .. i have s question maybe only you could help with
20110124 08:04:42< neila> i wanted to have a unit that can never capture a village and my idea was to just set movement_cost for village=100
20110124 08:05:26< neila> but if for example mountain=1 it can go to mountain villages, that i tried to also set "mountain_village=100"
20110124 08:06:04< neila> id is from terrains.cfg .. but thas has no effect .. still only 1MP for mountain villages
20110124 08:32:27< zookeeper> neila, the only way to do that is to save the ownership of all villages at side turn and then restore the ownership of a village when that kind of a unit captures one.
20110124 08:32:54< zookeeper> but even that invalidates your undo every time you move one of those units to a village so i won't suggest that either.
20110124 08:32:54< neila> hmm sad
20110124 08:33:43< neila> so i just kill the unit if it captures a village and the player looses :)
20110124 08:33:59< neila> also .. what is wrong here:  http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6WFYf8W
20110124 08:34:29< neila> i tried to have a menu .. it worked before i added the "not radius" stuff
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20110124 08:37:35< neila> i think i would have also run :)
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20110124 08:53:04< zookeeper> neila, what's wrong is that [filter_location] isn't part of SLF.
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20110124 09:01:06< neila> SLF ?
20110124 09:03:51< neila> ah filter_location is totaly wrong here
20110124 09:11:04< neila> wow now it works :) thanks alot
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20110124 09:29:29< neila> grrr  .. the terrain filters work pretty different than i thought
20110124 09:30:09< neila> R*   does find Rd  but not Re^Gvs  ???
20110124 09:31:38< zookeeper> correct
20110124 09:32:42< neila> so the ^ for the overlay has a special meaning,
20110124 09:33:17< neila> R*^*   wont work eigther i guess
20110124 09:33:29< zookeeper> it will
20110124 09:33:52< zookeeper> R*^* should cover everything
20110124 09:34:06< zookeeper> err, i meant R*,R*^*
20110124 09:34:23< neila> ah
20110124 09:34:28< neila> ok
20110124 09:34:48< neila> so to be sure to catch all kind of Mountains i could use
20110124 09:34:58< neila> M*,M*^*
20110124 09:39:14< zookeeper> yeah
20110124 09:42:14< neila> thanks alot ... youve been nearly writing all my code here :)
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20110124 10:27:27< Ivanovic> moin
20110124 10:30:42< neila> moin
20110124 10:41:43< neila> id like to filter an event for a variable stored in the priary units ".variables" .. is it ok to do that with "filter_wml" or am i doing something wrong here ?
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20110124 10:55:58< zookeeper> neila, no, [filter_wml] is for exactly that
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20110124 16:36:22< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: So, how exactly do you do Lua in different .cfg files without macros?
20110124 16:37:02< Aethaeryn> print "Certain things, such as "..cancel..", are used a lot in my Lua so I don't want to recreate them as they repeat." 
20110124 16:37:33< Aethaeryn> And yeah, I just used Lua there because I couldn't think of a way to clarify that cancel is a variable and thus a different thing than the rest of the sentence. Putting "cancel" in quotes would imply it's a string. ;-)
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20110124 17:35:04< Crendgrim> good evening
20110124 17:35:25< Crendgrim> just one very simple question: Where does Wesnoth 1.8 store the userdata on Windows?
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