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20110127 09:44:19< Ivanovic> moin
20110127 09:47:49< Soul_keeper> Good Work Ivanovic 
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20110127 17:22:10< light0> Can anyone inform me as to whether killing both leaders in the scenario "The Isle of the Damned" is actually possible on the 'medium' difficulty? I have tried about 12 times and can only kill one leader. 
20110127 17:23:51< light0> If anyone has successfully done the above, I'd like to know how they did it.
20110127 17:28:32< Soliton> it's possible on any difficulty. you might need some luck with killing the leaders to not run out of time though.
20110127 17:29:10< light0> yes, i always run out of time
20110127 17:29:33< light0> recommended strategy?
20110127 17:29:45< Soliton> make sure you get morimiru as fast as possible and recall some mermaids or merman with tridents.
20110127 17:30:21< light0> cant recall 
20110127 17:30:23< Soliton> you can also win by killing the vampire queen thingy, btw.
20110127 17:30:31< Soliton> yes, you can recall merman.
20110127 17:30:48< light0> think you are thinking of a diff level?
20110127 17:31:22< light0> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/HeirToTheThrone#Scenario_5B_-_Isle_of_the_Damned
20110127 17:37:13< Soliton> well, the vampire queen thingy is from trow or something, i guess, but you can recall merman.
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20110127 17:42:22< light0>  ah Soliton that makes sense
20110127 17:42:38< light0> I need to re-do the previous scenario do maintain some mermen then
20110127 17:42:42< light0> or the one with a trident
20110127 17:42:56< light0> is there more than one trident?
20110127 17:48:04< Soliton> i forgot, i think there is arcane/holy water in that scenario but i can't see it in the source... been a while since i played httt.
20110127 17:48:56< light0> Soliton, are you sure you can recall mermen? The wiki above says you cannot recall any units
20110127 17:49:02< light0> perhaps the wiki needs to be updated
20110127 17:49:17< light0> If you can, I will go ahead and re-do the previous scenario :-)
20110127 17:50:00< Soliton> yes, you can at least since 1.8. you can update the wiki.
20110127 17:50:30< light0> ok thanks for confirming
20110127 17:51:00< light0> My feeling is that without recalling mermen with trident(s), killing both leaders is next to impossible
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20110127 17:52:25< Soliton> probably, moremirmu will unlikely get both.
20110127 17:53:57< light0> and a bunch of mermen without trident(s) is not sufficient to kill one
20110127 17:54:13< light0> since they are 5 3, max damage is 15, whereas leader's hp is 60, with regen on hits
20110127 17:55:17< light0> perhaps it is possible with some other strategy, but I see from forums that a lot of people have difficulty with this scenario. 
20110127 17:57:12< light0> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3179&start=45 --> here, someone suggests adding turns to complete upon successfully killing one leader. I reckon this is a good idea.
20110127 17:58:05< light0> I note in 1.9.x changelog, it says that this scenario has been made easier, so perhaps appropriate fixes have already been issued.
20110127 18:18:31< VurtualRuler98> Yeah level design can be...
20110127 18:18:32< VurtualRuler98> hard.
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20110127 20:00:57< light0> If you do not recall units in one scenario, are the units that have not been recalled available in later scenarios?
20110127 20:01:11< Mussious> Yes
20110127 20:01:12< zookeeper> yes
20110127 20:01:19< light0> Ahah(!), nice
20110127 20:01:49< light0> Soliton: Mermans are indeed available to be recalled in Isle of the Damned
20110127 20:03:14< light0> Also, if you have destroyed both leaders in the previous scenario, it seems you then can recruit all the different types of mermen. Suddenly, defeating both leaders in the Isle of the Damned becomes impossible
20110127 20:03:33< light0> The user only gets to select between walking and taking the ship if he kills both leaders
20110127 20:03:58< light0> that doesn't seem to make sense, since if the user is less experiences, he will likely not defeat both leaders, then he does not have the option to walk, which was meant to avoid going to the Isle of the Damned
20110127 20:06:07< zookeeper> it seems more likely to me that a newbie manages to kill the land leader but not the sea leader, in which case they'll have to go by land
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20110127 20:06:40< zookeeper> but then again i guess on easy or normal it might be easier to kill the sea leader instead
20110127 20:08:27< zookeeper> also: arrr. the player was supposed to get all three merman types to their recruit list always, now they only get fighters if they just kill one leader.
20110127 20:08:41< zookeeper> or at least...i think that is the intent.
20110127 20:10:26< zookeeper> ah, nevermind. some old commit message of mine says that the current behaviour is intended :P
20110127 20:11:13< zookeeper> but yes, the isle would be a lot easier if you have an initiate or hunter which you manage to level up
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20110127 21:55:38< miudyk> VOTE http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/marionetki-w-kongresie--1656638/1/20
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20110127 23:42:42< Antichton> Hi!
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