--- Log opened Mon Jan 31 00:00:06 2011
20110131 00:00:41< Taldor> hi, is all wesnoth art licensed under GPL-v2 ?
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20110131 00:02:12< zookeeper> Taldor, i'm not 100% sure that it's always necessarily v2, but it's all GPL, yes.
20110131 00:03:28< Taldor> ok, thanks
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20110131 00:18:34< tswett> Hi!  You know, it might be neat to have a map overlay showing all the places the enemy can move next turn assuming your units stay where they are.
20110131 00:18:40< tswett> A danger zone, so to speak.  Just a thought.
20110131 00:18:58< tswett> It's a great game, by the way.  I've never put it down for long.  :)
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20110131 00:28:09< Gambit> tswett: We have just that
20110131 00:28:22< Gambit> I can't remember the shortcut at the moment, but it's in the menus.
20110131 00:28:28< tswett> Oh, cool.
20110131 00:28:36< Gambit> Look for "show possible enemy moves" or something of the like
20110131 00:28:54< Gambit> it even puts numbers on the hexes which, if I recall correctly, indicate the number of enemies that can reach that hex
20110131 00:29:13< tswett> Yup.  That's neat; thank you.
20110131 00:29:31< tswett> Do you know what "Best Possible Enemy Moves" does?
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20110131 00:58:32< vultraz> why can't I get my map_data value to work?
20110131 00:58:42< vultraz> it keeps saying the file doesn't exist
20110131 00:59:15< vultraz> i put the map in a maps folder with the .map extension
20110131 00:59:59< vultraz> the path is "~add-ons/NX-RPG/maps/skull.map"
20110131 01:00:07< vultraz> what am I doing wrong?
20110131 01:00:48< ancestral> vultraz: Let me look at your scenario
20110131 01:00:55< vultraz> kk
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20110131 01:01:00< ancestral> Do you have it on the addon server?
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20110131 01:02:48< vultraz> not yet. here's the file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/560427
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20110131 01:21:19< tswett> Whoa.  Note to self: if you let one of your units get surrounded by five enemy units, he is screwed.
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20110131 01:23:53< Aethaeryn> tswett: Idk, I let my fire dragons get surrounded all the time.
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20110131 01:25:28< tswett> I guess powerful units can be surrounded without much harm.
20110131 01:26:06< ancestral> The AI is very punishing
20110131 01:26:26< ancestral> I think that's the best word to describe it
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20110131 01:30:57< Aethaeryn> You really learn to screen units
20110131 01:31:06< Aethaeryn> No matter the gameplay style, campaign or MP, traditional or odd
20110131 01:31:14< Aethaeryn> Against AI or human
20110131 01:31:19< Aethaeryn> Zone of control is one of the most key things to do
20110131 01:31:29< Aethaeryn> Put your injured units behind a wall of strong units on good terrain
20110131 01:31:48< Aethaeryn> Master that and that's half the game right there.
20110131 01:32:05< Aethaeryn> And it even works on any faction, Drakes or humans or whatever.
20110131 01:32:17< Aethaeryn> The same concept applies, it's just the mobility, conditions, blockers, etc., change
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20110131 01:32:52< tswett> If they have lots of skirmishers, your job is a bit more difficult.
20110131 01:33:05< Aethaeryn> Well, yeah.
20110131 01:33:11< Aethaeryn> You probably want more mobility.
20110131 01:33:15< Aethaeryn> E.g. drakes would have no issue with that
20110131 01:33:30< Aethaeryn> You still check movement, just like ZoC, you just don't have a wall, instead you move out of range
20110131 01:33:39< Aethaeryn> in this case, sometimes sacrifices are acceptable
20110131 01:33:52< Aethaeryn> e.g. your cheapest/weakest unit out front so they swarm that one
20110131 01:34:00< Aethaeryn> If you can't block, sacrifice the cheap
20110131 01:34:02< Aethaeryn> stuff like that
20110131 01:34:12 * tswett nods.
20110131 01:34:57< Aethaeryn> Really, it's ZoC blocking and unit sacrificing that sometimes people have a hard time grasping.
20110131 01:35:04< Aethaeryn> e.g. people treat Wesnoth like an RPG with no expendables.
20110131 01:35:18< Aethaeryn> You probably actually want a lot of expendables in certain scenarios
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20110131 01:36:02< tswett> Huh.
20110131 01:36:35< tswett> You're right.  I do understand ZoC blocking decently well, but I don't really have a concept of unit sacrificing.
20110131 01:37:07< Aethaeryn> That really was the last concept I grasped, and I had to do the non-humanoid Drakes (Saurians as sacrifices) to grasp it
20110131 01:37:14< Aethaeryn> I'm just too ethical a person in RL, and it shows in my gameplay
20110131 01:37:24< tswett> :)
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20110131 01:42:17< ancestral> Gambit, shadowmaster: Split this into a new thread? or put this into my Bestiary thread? What do you think?
20110131 01:42:21< ancestral> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=32403&p=477102#p477102
20110131 01:42:42< ancestral> Starts to off-topic at Jetrel's post
20110131 01:43:22< shadowmaster> I'll let Gambit decide.
20110131 01:43:51< shadowmaster> shame on you for requesting a moderation task on a thread that's in a forum into which only your kind (Forum Regulars and better) can post
20110131 01:44:19< ancestral> I know, right?
20110131 01:44:28< Gambit> hmmm
20110131 01:44:29< shadowmaster> actually, shame on you for derailing a thread in Developers' Discussion, period.
20110131 01:44:35< ancestral> shadowmaster: I didn't start it
20110131 01:44:38< ancestral> :-P
20110131 01:44:39< Gambit> so back into ideas as [mainline] new help layout
20110131 01:44:48< shadowmaster> ancestral: no, you started the derailment
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20110131 01:45:02< ancestral> What do you mean? Jet admitted he was going off-topic
20110131 01:45:08< ancestral> He posted a picture
20110131 01:45:08< shadowmaster> I think we all know that Jetrel is an idiot at this point
20110131 01:45:21< shadowmaster> but it doesn't mean you are free to bite the bait
20110131 01:45:25< ancestral> Wow, sounds like you have a bone to pick
20110131 01:45:59< ancestral> Well, shadowmaster you're still getting a Valentine
20110131 01:46:09< ancestral> Like it or noty
20110131 01:46:12< ancestral> *not
20110131 01:46:15< shadowmaster> what's a "Valentine"?
20110131 01:47:05< ancestral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day#Antique_and_vintage_Valentines.2C_1850.E2.80.931950
20110131 01:47:09< Gambit> ancestral: I'm not inclined to share him.
20110131 01:47:13< Gambit> xD
20110131 01:47:15< ancestral> Hehe
20110131 01:47:38< shadowmaster> okay, great, I still don't understan d.
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20110131 01:49:03< Gambit> ancestral: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=32967&p=477106#p477053
20110131 01:49:07< Gambit> Happy birthday
20110131 01:49:11 * Gambit goes back to his homework
20110131 01:49:13< ancestral> Not until October
20110131 01:49:35< ancestral> But thanks for the warm wishes!
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20110131 01:50:16< shadowmaster> ancestral: anyway, you won't find anyone to work on that in mainline unless:
20110131 01:50:27< shadowmaster> a) silene is willing to get his hands dirty with GUI1 code.
20110131 01:50:45< shadowmaster> b) Mordante suddenly decides that a GUI2 help system is a higher priotity than other stuff.
20110131 01:51:23< ancestral> Well maybe I'll pick it up. But it doesn't matter. If and when it gets picked up people will be observant to work that has already been done elsewhere. Awareness is half the battle
20110131 01:51:33< shadowmaster> and the latter has repeatedly advised against GUI1-based features since 1.5.x,go figure
20110131 01:52:42< ancestral> I'm not looking for any favors on anything
20110131 01:52:56< Gambit> ancestral: if the idea is generally well received I'll start the topic
20110131 01:53:07< ancestral> :-\
20110131 01:53:14< Gambit> then five years from now when I'm digging through ideas for uncommitted stars
20110131 01:53:22< Gambit> I'll throw it at the appropriate people
20110131 01:53:27< Gambit> time capsule!
20110131 01:53:47< Gambit> *star
20110131 01:53:49< Gambit> not start
20110131 01:53:58< ancestral> I'm not looking to do anything! I'm just making a comment on a forum about a post someone else put up! As more comments came in I thought I'd let you mods know. IT'S YOUR FORUM, I'M JUST LETTING YOU AWARE! :-P
20110131 01:54:37< Gambit> Oh no not you too ancestral.
20110131 01:54:43< Gambit> IPS is spreadicating faster than we thought.
20110131 01:54:50< ancestral> Huh?
20110131 01:54:59< Gambit> " I'M JUST LETTING YOU AWARE!"
20110131 01:55:02< Gambit> hehe
20110131 01:55:03< ancestral> Haha
20110131 01:55:07< shadowmaster> that was within the realm of possibility
20110131 01:55:09< ancestral> Don't start with the Us vs. Them mentality
20110131 01:55:13< ancestral> Cuz um
20110131 01:55:19< ancestral> I don't belong in either group, k?
20110131 01:55:34< Gambit> Uh. Okay?
20110131 01:55:39 * ancestral shrugs
20110131 01:56:01< Gambit> But if I don't have a label for you then how will I criticize you when you move even one iota from it?
20110131 01:56:31< shadowmaster> anyway, considerate that within a few years from now in you'll treat with people with far more broken English due to globalization of the Wesnoth
20110131 01:56:35< shadowmaster> it's inevitable
20110131 01:56:44< shadowmaster> get acustomed to it
20110131 01:56:49< shadowmaster> ;)
20110131 01:56:58< Gambit> You mean incustomed
20110131 01:57:07< shadowmaster> whatever
20110131 01:57:09< ancestral> accustomed has two… oh, he's making a point…
20110131 01:57:19< shadowmaster> you know what I significate
20110131 01:57:42< ancestral> Yes, I recognified what you said
20110131 01:58:22< ancestral> For the record, I'm a fan of i18n
20110131 01:58:44< shadowmaster> l10n is so under-appreciated these days
20110131 01:59:38< ancestral> s10r: true
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20110131 05:01:55< gdurazo> Hmm, another WML question: in my multiplayer campaign, when the next scenario loads, the sides that are supposed to be ai controlled end up being human controlled
20110131 05:02:37< un214> doesn't mp requrie controller=ai to be explicit
20110131 05:02:38< gdurazo> if i select the scenario directly from the multiplayer list, it works fine (when the humans select their sides, the AI sides don't even appear as options, as it should be)
20110131 05:02:53< gdurazo> i do have controller=ai in my [side] for them
20110131 05:03:24< gdurazo> and it seems to work when i select the scenario directly. it's just not working when the scenario follows naturally from the previous one
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20110131 08:34:57< Ebonwumon> Does wesnothd report data about players/games etc in any way. Like for the purposes of creating a leaderboard.
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20110131 10:03:47< Ivanovic> moin
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20110131 10:44:06< Mussious> Hello
20110131 10:45:20< Mussious> Can I use built-in to wensoth variables in WML? For example I want to have variable x the same as move points.
20110131 10:49:23< lizard_r> Mussious: I believe you can, but I haven't used any WML in a year
20110131 10:49:29< Ivanovic> of course you can access those "ingame values" via wml
20110131 10:49:59< Mussious> Could you tell me how to do it?
20110131 10:52:12< Mussious> Is there any list of these variables?
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20110131 10:57:26< Mussious> Are these in replays usable?
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20110131 10:59:24< Mussious> I can see there max_moves="8" moves="0"
20110131 10:59:37< Mussious> And the others
20110131 11:00:18< Mussious> Anyone here?
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20110131 13:24:46< vultraz> When i try to open the map editor in 1.9.4 i get this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/560588 That file is the scenario I'm creating. What did I do wrong?
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20110131 13:25:25< vultraz> if I click ok the editor loads, but i still can't open my scenario. I think that message has something to do with it
20110131 13:29:31< vultraz> any help would be welcome  
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20110131 13:44:01< zookeeper> vultraz, you've probably saved the file as rtf or something instead of as plaintext.
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20110131 18:50:18< Ebonwumon> I'm looking at setting up a wesnoth server, and I want to expiriment with rankings/leaderboards/tournaments and the such.
20110131 18:50:39< Ebonwumon> Does wesnothd put the data required in any usable format by php or something?
20110131 18:50:55< Ebonwumon> Like the users connected, if they win lose, etc?
20110131 18:53:04< Gambit> I don't believe it tracks or stores that sort of data.
20110131 18:53:48< Gambit> Well apart from connected users.
20110131 18:56:28< Ebonwumon> Damn. I was hoping the terminal output would say if I lost, but it just says "ended game.
20110131 18:56:30< Ebonwumon> =\]
20110131 18:56:59< Gambit> You'd have to modify wesnothd for that.
20110131 18:57:21< Gambit> Although it does send updates of games to users in the lobby.
20110131 18:57:28< Gambit> Maybe those contain that sort of information.
20110131 18:57:38< Gambit> In which case you just need a robot connected to your server that could parse those.
20110131 18:58:13< Ebonwumon> where's wesnothd.cfg supposed to be?
20110131 18:58:17< Ebonwumon> I can't find it =\
20110131 18:58:36< Gambit> I think you have to create it.
20110131 18:59:52< Gambit> There was a wiki page on it, but I can't find it at the moment.
20110131 19:01:08< Gambit> Hmm I thought there was one.
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20110131 19:32:05< Soliton> the format is described in the man page.
20110131 19:32:56< Soliton> and it's supposed to be wherever you tell wesnothd to look.
20110131 19:35:04< Soliton> tswett: best possible moves means without taking zones of control into account.
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20110131 19:49:10< fendrin> hi Gambit
20110131 19:49:43< fendrin> Gambit: Do you know that external database where you can search through umc units and alike?
20110131 20:01:12< Gambit> wsirw or something like that
20110131 20:01:48< Gambit> fendrin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=29569
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20110131 20:06:48< fendrin> Gambit: thanks
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20110131 20:51:51-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | Social channel: #wesnoth-offtopic | Latest stable version: 1.8.5 | Latest development version: 1.9.4 | Public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110131 20:51:51-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Mon Jan 17 20:17:36 2011]
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20110131 20:51:51-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 64 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 64 normal]
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20110131 21:52:22< tswett> Soliton: ah, thank you.
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