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20110203 00:28:55< grzywacz> nital, sure, you're free to submit a patch
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20110203 08:48:39< Soliton> nital__: it's not a design decision and it's a wanted feature.
20110203 08:48:56< Soliton> handling of team games will need some thought though.
20110203 08:50:35< nital__> Soliton: I think it should happen in a "regular" way, i.e. removing the leader and leaving the rest of the armies
20110203 08:51:15< nital__> but that's just my thought
20110203 08:51:30< Soliton> i don't see why that is regular.
20110203 08:51:59< Soliton> i'd assign the side to my teammate.
20110203 08:52:45< nital__> because if a player loses in team game, the leader is not there... but your concept is also nice, however, more coding involved ;-)
20110203 08:53:33< Soliton> well, there isn't really any coding involved since you can already do that.
20110203 08:54:07< Soliton> if there is a resign option it should just do the same.
20110203 08:54:23< Soliton> eventually you'll be back to a single player per team case then and just need to solve that.
20110203 09:01:20< nital__> once you put it that way... ;-)
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20110203 09:09:21< Soliton> for mp we'll probably have to think about whether it will be possible for a rogue client to send a resign command/message for other players and put a check into the server if so.
20110203 09:09:50< Soliton> the client is pretty dumb in how it treats commands it gets over the network.
20110203 09:10:44< Soliton> and of course only the faked sender is able to figure out something is wrong at all.
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20110203 09:22:48< nital> and right now is it possible for a rogue client to move other player's armies?
20110203 09:23:54< nital> because I'd think it's the pretty same thing
20110203 09:25:22< nital> *it's pretty much the same thing ;-)
20110203 09:25:34< Soliton> i think it is. it'll probably go OOS though.
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20110203 09:32:24< Ivanovic> moin
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20110203 09:39:15< nital> Soliton: is there a design document where I could read about Wesnoth server-client communication architecture, or does one have to figure it out from the code?
20110203 09:41:22< Soliton> client sends stuff to server, server broadcasts to other clients.
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20110203 09:42:36< nital> but some kind of allowed commands in the protocol, or else...
20110203 09:42:44< nital> I guess there is none then ;-)
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20110203 09:57:11< Soliton> well, yes the server has some intelligence to fix sender and stuff in some commands and deny others.
20110203 09:58:01< Soliton> it actually should not allow moves from not-current players now that i think about it.
20110203 09:59:21< nital> by the way, since I didn't follow wesnoth for some time
20110203 09:59:31< nital> is 1.8 completely based on Gui2 yet?
20110203 09:59:45< Ivanovic> no
20110203 09:59:54< Ivanovic> so far only some parts are converted
20110203 09:59:58< Ivanovic> the same is true for 1.9.x
20110203 10:00:14< nital> and is mordante still active?
20110203 10:00:46< Ivanovic> yes, mordante is still active, though lately he does not have as much time for wesnoth as "a while ago"
20110203 10:02:53< nital> I see - but that satisfies me, since that means he could probably answer some questions :-)
20110203 10:03:25< nital> or maybe it won't be even necessary, since I can see on wiki that Gui2 is quite well-documented
20110203 10:06:19< Soliton> nital: client-server communication protocol is explained at wiki.wesnoth.org/MultiplayerServerWML btw, not really a design document though.
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20110203 10:18:49< nital> Soliton: going from the link you provided, I found this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothdDesign ;-)
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20110203 10:20:38< nital> wow, 1.9 sure has a lot of eyecandy...
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20110203 15:55:39< grzywacz> hi
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20110203 17:00:10< Ivanovic> hi grzywacz
20110203 17:02:29< grzywacz> hey Ivanovic 
20110203 17:02:42< Ivanovic> everything ready for tomorrow?
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20110203 17:02:48< grzywacz> Ivanovic, where should we meet tomorrow evening again? Somewhere near the hostel?
20110203 17:03:04< Ivanovic> when do you expect to be close to the hostel?
20110203 17:04:22< Ivanovic> i'd say: send me and/or boucman (you are part of his bed contingent) an sms when you arrive at charleroi (or how that airport is called) with some "i think in Xmin i'll be close to the hostel"
20110203 17:04:35< Ivanovic> then we can reply to you if you should come to the hostel or to the greek
20110203 17:06:15< grzywacz> sounds good, ok
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20110203 20:21:57< Ivanovic> deekay: your phone number in the fosdem thread in moderators forum is still correct?
20110203 20:22:07< deekay> WIll check
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20110203 20:22:14< Ivanovic> pasted the current entry in a query
20110203 20:22:15< deekay> yes
20110203 20:22:19< deekay> it's good
20110203 20:22:22< Ivanovic> good
20110203 20:22:33< Hethrir> Can I put my bug fix in the game?
20110203 20:23:04< Gambit> Hethrir: You submitted a patch?
20110203 20:23:21< Gambit> Ah yes that's right.
20110203 20:23:30< Hethrir> Yes :)
20110203 20:23:40< Hethrir> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17625
20110203 20:23:54< Gambit> fendrin: ^
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20110203 20:29:42< fendrin> Hethrir: Thank you
20110203 20:30:09< Hethrir> Your welcome :)
20110203 20:33:40< Hethrir> Did you make the campaign?
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20110203 20:37:34< mordante> servus
20110203 20:39:15< mordante> nital_, yeah still active, but like Ivanovic said less time nowadays
20110203 20:39:20< Hethrir> Hail
20110203 20:39:31< mordante> hi Hethrir 
20110203 20:39:51< Hethrir> How do I get my patch in a game?
20110203 20:40:45< mordante> Hethrir, this post has info about how to submit patches http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9979
20110203 20:42:22< Hethrir> Ok, I did all of that :)
20110203 20:42:46< Gambit> Hethrir: I'm pretty sure fendrin will take care of it.
20110203 20:42:58< Hethrir> Oh Ok
20110203 20:43:12< Gambit> Whoever does the English translation of the manual: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32987
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20110203 20:43:26< mordante> Hethrir, I'm just reading that in the log, like Gambit said fendrin will probably take care of it soon
20110203 20:44:04< mordante> Gambit, best post them here http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes
20110203 20:44:12< Gambit> mordante: oh thanks
20110203 20:44:18< mordante> np
20110203 20:44:35< Gambit> Heh it's already there.
20110203 20:44:54< Gambit> Oh I see it's marked as fixed but it's not. Hmm.
20110203 20:45:45< mordante> esr, normally applies the fixes, so best ask him about it
20110203 20:46:17< Ivanovic> Gambit: it will not be fixed till i rerun the regeneration
20110203 20:46:25< Ivanovic> check if it is fixed in doc/manual/manual.txt
20110203 20:46:33< esr> Gambit: What fix is this?
20110203 20:46:39< Ivanovic> if it is fixed in there it will eventually end in the html file
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20110203 20:46:58< Ivanovic> i just won't run a pot-update before fosdem, so that the fix appears in the html page will take a while
20110203 20:47:20< Gambit> Ivanovic: Thanks
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20110203 20:47:56< elias> you're already on tour?
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20110203 20:49:21< Gambit> esr: there was a typo of mechanical spelled mechonical
20110203 20:49:29< Gambit> But it appears to be fixed in trunk already.
20110203 20:49:39< Ivanovic> elias: just testing that the irc client on my laptop still works
20110203 20:49:52< esr> Hm, don't remember seeing that.  But as long as it's fixed.
20110203 20:51:18< Ivanovic> Gambit: that is: please make sure that the fix is really in the manual.txt file, since this is the file that matters
20110203 20:51:33< Gambit> It is.
20110203 20:51:37< Ivanovic> good
20110203 20:53:05< elias> i see. in my case i just need wireless to ssh to my irc client
20110203 20:53:41< mordante> Ivanovic, that means you expect to have internet at the FOSDEM :-P
20110203 20:54:28< Ivanovic> mordante: yeah, i think there will be internet from saturday 15:15 to saturaday 15:30
20110203 20:55:18< mordante> we'll see, but happy I have git on my system, so can work without internet
20110203 20:55:27< mordante> btw how do you like git-svn?
20110203 20:55:54< Ivanovic> so far i just got the packages and made sure it is up to date
20110203 20:55:58< Ivanovic> have not worked with it so far
20110203 20:56:00< elias> hm, so there is no free wireless on the university campus?
20110203 20:56:26< mordante> elias, there's _supposed_ to be free wireless
20110203 20:56:36< mordante> but often rather flaky 
20110203 20:57:23< elias> well, i was planning to "svn checkout" all of wesnoth there (and then maybe work on something)
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20110203 21:02:48< Ivanovic> elias: forget it
20110203 21:02:58< Ivanovic> you'll likely not get a stable enough connection there
20110203 21:03:52< Ivanovic> elias: better install git with svn support on your laptop
20110203 21:03:55 * elias gets his netbook back out of the bag and puts wesnoth svn on it...
20110203 21:04:04< Ivanovic> i'll bring the tree that is available at files.wesnoth.org
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20110203 21:08:48< Ivanovic> elias, mordante, boucman, AI0867, all other fosdem dwellers: don't forget to bring euro coins
20110203 21:08:58< Ivanovic> anything between 10ct and 1€ makes sense
20110203 21:09:16< Ivanovic> (for a) getting drinks and b) buying bus tickets)
20110203 21:12:50< elias> should i get some subway/bus ticket at the airport?
20110203 21:13:02< elias> something like 3-day ticket
20110203 21:13:48< mordante> 2€ also makes sense for the bus tickets
20110203 21:14:59< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: is there some plan for where and when to meet up?
20110203 21:15:06< mordante> elias, not sure, do you know what such a ticket costs?
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20110203 21:15:22< elias> no, had no time to look up anything :/
20110203 21:15:47< elias> and in 7 hours airport-taxi arrives
20110203 21:15:49< thespaceinvader> wait, I just checked the ML
20110203 21:15:59< thespaceinvader> where's that in relation to bruxelles midi?
20110203 21:16:24< mordante> can't remember how much traveling was for us from the hostel to the uni, but I thought less than 5€ for the two days
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20110203 21:18:12< mordante> elias, yeah I read you'll have an early trip, guess you spend more time at the airport than in the plane
20110203 21:18:48< elias> or in the taxi
20110203 21:19:03< elias> they will pick up 8 people in total who have flights around the same time
20110203 21:19:36< thespaceinvader> the bourse metro will be the one to get off at coming from midi I think
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20110203 21:20:53< thespaceinvader> i should really know my way around, I went to brussels a couple of years ago >.<
20110203 21:21:09< elias> hm, http://wikitravel.org/en/Brussels says "A card that can be used for ten rides on public transport costs €12.30. There is also a 1 day pass available for €4.50 and 3 day pass for €9.50."
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20110203 21:22:05< mordante> we normally take the 10 rides for the group and make 4 rides
20110203 21:22:18< mordante> so it will depend on what it cost from and to the airport
20110203 21:22:34< mordante> 4 rides per person in total*
20110203 21:22:45< elias> i wonder if airport would be included in the pass
20110203 21:23:17< mordante> no idea, never went to Brussels by plane
20110203 21:23:34< elias> how are you getting there?
20110203 21:23:42< mordante> by car 3 hours driving
20110203 21:23:47< elias> i see
20110203 21:23:48< mordante> so faster as a plane
20110203 21:23:56< thespaceinvader> http://www.stib.be/5-voyages-ritten.html?l=en is the current metro prices btw
20110203 21:24:34< elias> "(except for the NATO-Brussels Airport section of lines 12 and 21)"
20110203 21:24:41< elias> wonder if i need that section
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20110203 21:36:01< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: so is the info enough for you?
20110203 21:36:14< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: central is about 1.5km north of midi
20110203 21:37:03< Ivanovic> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bld+de+l%27Imp%C3%A9ratrice%2FKeizerinlaan&daddr=Rue+du+Cardinal+Mercier+to:Rue+du+March%C3%A9+aux+Fromages&hl=en&geocode=FfXXBwMd63lCAA%3BFbfbBwMdI3RCAA%3BFfHXBwMdzmxCAA&mra=mi&mrcr=1&mrsp=2&sz=18&dirflg=w&sll=50.845768,4.354293&sspn=0.00295,0.003422&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=50.846177,4.354824&spn=0.0059,0.006845&z=17
20110203 21:37:04< thespaceinvader> I think so, yeah - I'll grab a map from one of the tourist info places, and SMS when I get off the metro at Bourse I think
20110203 21:37:50< thespaceinvader> or centrale, since that's closer
20110203 21:39:02< thespaceinvader> It would be rue du cardinale mercier we'd be meeting?
20110203 21:39:20< Ivanovic> jepp
20110203 21:39:30< Ivanovic> there is basically a plaza with several trees
20110203 21:39:43< Ivanovic> and a rather easy to see choclate store called "chocopolis"
20110203 21:40:20< thespaceinvader> ok
20110203 21:40:24< thespaceinvader> should be manageable
20110203 21:40:31< Ivanovic> jepp
20110203 21:40:54< thespaceinvader> just hope my laptop survives
20110203 21:41:08< thespaceinvader> it's a little old and fragile, and has no battery life left at ALL >.<
20110203 21:41:23< Ivanovic> you should not ask about the laptop that yogihh usually brought
20110203 21:41:30< mordante> :-)
20110203 21:41:53< Ivanovic> that one falls in the category "Old and fragile, partially broken"
20110203 21:43:50< elias> mine is just an EEE PC with 600 pixel screen, barely can even run Wesnoth :P
20110203 21:43:58< CIA-89> mordante * r48398 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/distributor.cpp: 
20110203 21:43:58< CIA-89> Don't clear states owned by a helper class.
20110203 21:43:58< CIA-89> Fixes assertion failures in the new clock debug code.
20110203 21:44:01< CIA-89> mordante * r48399 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/ (handler.cpp handler.hpp): 
20110203 21:44:01< CIA-89> Add a way to capture the keyboard.
20110203 21:44:01< CIA-89> This will be needed to have tooltip windows, which won't capture the
20110203 21:44:01< CIA-89> keyboard.
20110203 21:44:07< CIA-89> mordante * r48400 /trunk/src/gui/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20110203 21:44:07< CIA-89> Add a tooltip mode for a dialog.
20110203 21:44:07< CIA-89> The code is still a bit experimental, but like to have it committed
20110203 21:44:07< CIA-89> before the FOSDEM.
20110203 21:44:09< CIA-89> mordante * r48401 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (title_screen.cpp title_screen.hpp): 
20110203 21:44:09< CIA-89> Show the clock as a tooltip.
20110203 21:44:09< CIA-89> The button now toggles the showing of the dialog.
20110203 21:44:23< elias> heh, even commit messages mention fosdem
20110203 21:45:32< mordante> elias, yeah, want to work on the code at the fosdem, so just committed everything I have on this box
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20110203 21:46:40< elias> :)
20110203 21:47:54< mordante> Ivanovic, did you zoom out on the map? /me sees large green areas ;-)
20110203 21:48:37< mordante> semi afk starting to pack
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20110203 22:11:40< mordante> I'm off night
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20110203 22:21:21< elias> hm, why are there two names for each station in brussels, it's confusing
20110203 22:25:01< Ivanovic> elias: because all streets got two names, too
20110203 22:25:06< Ivanovic> one in dutch, one in french
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20110203 22:25:34< elias> oh, so it is dutch
20110203 22:25:41< elias> i thought they have their own language :P
20110203 22:25:53< Ivanovic> some dutch dialect
20110203 22:26:18< elias> i see. like german.
20110203 22:27:27< Ivanovic> the official languages in belgium are dutch, french and german and the main lang spoken depends on the area
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20110203 22:33:11< thespaceinvader> but then again, most people will speak english anyway :D
20110203 22:33:24< thespaceinvader> I will be trying my best on french, but that's as far as I go
20110203 22:33:31< thespaceinvader> and i'm not very good even at that
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20110203 22:38:59< ettin> http://vimeo.com/15049808 provides a good overview of the languages spoken in Belgium
20110203 22:39:16< ettin> hi, btw :)
20110203 22:47:53< thespaceinvader> aheh
20110203 22:48:00< thespaceinvader> thast makes the UK look positively organised
20110203 22:48:42< thespaceinvader> what with only having 3 natioal governments for 4 nations, and one state government for the whole state
20110203 22:50:30< elias> "one thing unites all the communities... they all agree that their national dish is called french fries... in english" :)
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20110203 23:20:04< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: we already had a case where the waiters 
20110203 23:20:12< Ivanovic> *don't* understand english
20110203 23:20:53< Ivanovic> this is rather interesting, especially when eg boucman ain't around and the waitress only understands french, so AI0867 and mordante are of not much help with their dutch...
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20110203 23:30:43< elias> heh. i'm glad some of you understand german in case even my english is too bad :P
20110203 23:31:40< elias> hm, and 4:30 until i need to get up, i should already be sleeping...
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20110203 23:33:37< Ivanovic> :)
20110203 23:39:34< thespaceinvader> aheh
20110203 23:39:52< thespaceinvader> I'm pretty sure I can speak french well enough to order food
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20110203 23:44:10 * Ivanovic is sure that using his hands he'll be able to prevent starvation!
20110203 23:44:20< Ivanovic> (yeah, i speak neither french nor dutch!)
20110203 23:45:12< Espreon> Only the latter is needed.™
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20110203 23:52:50-!- Gambambit is now known as Gambit
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