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20110206 00:02:16< mordocai> stikonas: It wouldn't get that far, at least thus far anytime anyone complains apple just drops the app.
20110206 00:03:24< stikonas> it probably easier for them
20110206 00:03:30< stikonas> s/it/it is/
20110206 00:04:11< mordocai> Yeah it is. In any case, i'm hoping we can find something that works for apple and wesnoth and doesn't involve just ignoring the problem. From what elias said, it seems like they probably found a way :)
20110206 00:04:36< shadowmaster> "we"?
20110206 00:05:07< mordocai> shadowmaster: Technically i'm a copyright holder, even though I didn't do anything big, so yes "we".
20110206 00:05:54< shadowmaster> unless a file bears no explicit copyright statement, the actual copyright holders are those specified in the files
20110206 00:06:27< shadowmaster> so yeah, what's your name? I don't think I have you in my internal rname/username dictionary
20110206 00:06:31< shadowmaster> )
20110206 00:07:07< mordocai> shadowmaster: Not as far as I have been told previously, but I am not a lawyer so w/e. So you could take we as the community if you want :). My real name is Chris Carpenter, I at least was in the credits at some point lol. I didn't do hardly anything :).
20110206 00:08:52< shadowmaster> if I ever give my secret awesome project the greenlight I'll make sure to get some friend lawyers first.
20110206 00:09:40< shadowmaster> anyway I was just checking. There were a couple of guys who have contributed nothing to the community* using the "we" moniker in a legal discussion .
20110206 00:11:01< mordocai> Yeah, always a good idea. But yeah, how it was explained to me was that unless you agree to a contributor agreement that assigns copyright to a certain holder (i.e. Openoffice's arrangement) then every contributor has copyright to what they contributed. That was what everyone seemed to agree on during the huge discussion about the issue in the mailing list. Doesn't matter anyways, i'm not about to "enforce my rights" or something like that if Dave(a
20110206 00:11:01< mordocai> nd the other "real" devs) decide they want to do something I don't really like.
20110206 00:11:26< un214> I contributed a bit of code back in the day
20110206 00:11:33< un214> I doubt a bit of it is still there
20110206 00:14:08< mordocai> un214: Yeah, mine might not even be there anymore too.
20110206 00:14:25< mordocai> I do hope to get enough freetime to do some bug fixes and stuff this summer though.
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20110206 00:26:01< Gambit> grzywacz: poke
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20110206 01:19:50< Sirp|FOSDEM> Gambit: well it's nighttime now...
20110206 01:19:57< Sirp|FOSDEM> so we're done for the night, more tomorrow most likely
20110206 01:20:05< Gambit> oh yeah... timezones
20110206 01:24:18< un214> new debian stable
20110206 01:24:24< un214> hopefully they have 1.8
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20110206 01:38:29< shadowmaster> they do
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20110206 02:41:10< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: ?
20110206 02:41:41< shadowmaster> I believe we already talked about this the other day. :)
20110206 02:42:42< shadowmaster> but in case you forgot: I cannot do much about any issue if you simply join #wesnoth-dev and throw a one-liner with a lone question mark at me.
20110206 02:43:07< anonymissimus> thats just to see whether you are here
20110206 02:43:24< anonymissimus> regarding one of the addon server rules; "Make sure your add-on icon works. Use an image included with Wesnoth, not an image from your add-on."
20110206 02:43:36< anonymissimus> images from the addon work, is that rule outdated ?
20110206 02:43:45< anonymissimus> or why is it there ?
20110206 02:44:23< shadowmaster> It's most likely outdated because at the time we did the last revision no-one really knew for certain the obscure rules used by the FS code to locate non-core data files without binary path objects.
20110206 02:44:54< anonymissimus> hm ok so its not forbidden for some unknown reason
20110206 02:45:25< shadowmaster> although IMHO it makes sense to keep that anyway to avoid blank entries.
20110206 02:45:30< anonymissimus> thx
20110206 02:46:00< shadowmaster> *entries with empty icons
20110206 02:46:18< anonymissimus> people either will make it correct or will not independently where the image they use is
20110206 02:46:40< shadowmaster> <small>(if I could have it my way I'd kill the add-on icons column altogether)</small>
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20110206 06:17:39< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=477520#p477520
20110206 06:23:58< Espreon> shadowmaster: Thanks.
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20110206 06:51:21< CIA-89> espreon * r48417 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/08_Out_of_the_Frying_Pan.cfg: Fixed a bug reported in the fora.
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20110206 10:12:43< grzywacz> re
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20110206 10:15:11< Ivanovic|FOSDEM> wb grzywacz
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20110206 10:28:01< boucman> morning all
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20110206 10:28:35< Ivanovic|WESDEM> boucman|FOSDEM: not FOS, WES
20110206 10:28:45< Ivanovic|WESDEM> ;)
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20110206 10:37:38< boucman|FOSDEM> Sirp|FOSDEM: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/SW5kNsf8
20110206 10:38:04< boucman|FOSDEM> it needs to be compiled with -fopenmp and linked with -lgomp (assuming GCC)
20110206 10:38:05< thespaceinvader> wesbot seen noy
20110206 10:38:05< wesbot> thespaceinvader: Queried user last spoke 22h 13m ago.  noy is currently here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev.
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20110206 10:40:38< mordante> servus
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20110206 10:41:27< Espreon> Ic grete eow.
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20110206 10:51:36< CIA-89> ivanovic * r48418 /trunk/po/wesnoth-editor/pt_BR.po: updated Portuguese (Brazil) translation
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20110206 11:01:21< fabi> hello
20110206 11:01:32< Ivanovic|WESDEM> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32867&view=unread#unread
20110206 11:01:39< fabi> Ivanovic|WESDEM: Thank you
20110206 11:03:30< noy> tsi|fosdem: yes?
20110206 11:05:18< fabi> hi noy
20110206 11:05:24< noy> hello
20110206 11:05:42< tsi|fosdem> do you have files and/or stats for the khalifate as they are?  fabi has offered to put cfgs together today
20110206 11:05:43< mordante|FOSDEM> hi Espreon 
20110206 11:05:47< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=477934#p477934 ... "introduce ... new 1.6 release ..." ... Madness...
20110206 11:05:54< grzywacz> :D
20110206 11:06:30< noy> wintermute has them
20110206 11:07:09< noy> we don't have full stats either, there were several areas that needed to be redone
20110206 11:07:14< noy> So, no
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20110206 11:08:34< noy> I'll press Winter to get it done in the next few weeks
20110206 11:09:23< noy> the horses need work too
20110206 11:14:01< fabi> noy: Is there any coding needed? I think about new special weapon effects etc..
20110206 11:14:17< noy> there was but we haven't sorted it out yet 
20110206 11:14:24< noy> it wasn't a critical issue
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20110206 11:18:43< boucman|WESDEM> noy: do you have any sort of wip/concept descriptions somewhere ?
20110206 11:18:57< noy> not really. 
20110206 11:20:47< CIA-89> ai0867 * r48419 /trunk/utils/ai_test/ (ai_test2.cfg ai_test2.py): Copies of the ai benchmark, using local logfiles rather than pgsql
20110206 11:21:11< noy> Look, I really appreciate the attention that the faction is getting, but just rushing it through because of "we want it done now" isn't really the best approach. 
20110206 11:21:49< CIA-89> ai0867 * r48420 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/ (20 files in 12 dirs): Merge trunk up to r48419
20110206 11:24:06< fabi> ^ hurray!
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20110206 11:45:13< tsi|fosdem> noy: we can get the work done, here, today, before we all leave again, if you can give even the vaguest suggested set of stats
20110206 11:45:32< noy> tsi|fosdem: we don't have nearly enough discussion to do that
20110206 11:45:40< tsi|fosdem> i have the sprites, the tree, the preliminary names, just no stats
20110206 11:46:17< noy> Sorry but this isn't the way to do this. We'll have this done by the end of this month. 
20110206 11:47:03< noy> I'll get it done. But I'm not going to slot in some completely random stats right now because its been decided all of a sudden that its a priority. 
20110206 11:51:48< grzywacz> ...
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20110206 11:52:51< grzywacz> Having it done now and refined over one month wouldn't hurt either, and we could keep up with the momentum.
20110206 11:53:23< Ivanovic|WESDEM> noy: you already created some basic setup and i am sure that this is already rather good in the general direction
20110206 11:53:40< Ivanovic|WESDEM> we are aware that it won't be perfect and require some (even drastic!) changes
20110206 11:53:59< Ivanovic|WESDEM> but finding those things is by far easier if there are people actually using the content
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20110206 12:27:28< Ivanovic|WESDEM> current status regarding the talks and discussions we had so far at fosdem: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Fosdem2011#Discussions_and_Results
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20110206 12:36:46< Ivanovic|WESDEM> time to watch some replay commentary from DK
20110206 12:39:42< CIA-89> grzywacz * r48421 /trunk/src/server/ (7 files): Simplified calling conventions.
20110206 12:53:11< tsi|fosdem> i've linked up the group photo from the wiki page
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20110206 13:00:16< Ivanovic|WESDEM> tsi|fosdem: cool!
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20110206 13:15:33< CIA-89> ivanovic * r48422 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: the first time that the terrain name appears in help, it is marked italic, doing so for some where it was missed
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20110206 13:24:35< Soliton> shadowmaster, anonymissimus: images from add-ons will never work unless you have that add-on installed...
20110206 13:34:35< CIA-89> grzywacz * r48423 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: Removed some WIP comments and added spacing for readability.
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20110206 13:48:49< CIA-89> ivanovic * r48424 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: more fixes following "the first time that the terrain name appears in help, it is marked italic, doing so for some where it was missed"
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20110206 14:02:17< Soliton> grzywacz: will there be clean up commits for r48414?
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20110206 14:18:47< grzywacz> Soliton: yes
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20110206 14:19:09< grzywacz> Soliton: I didn't want to have too many changes in one go, but obviously it's far from being complete
20110206 14:20:08< Soliton> if you didn't want so many changes why duplicate code? :-P
20110206 14:23:20< CIA-89> silene * r48425 /trunk/SConstruct: 
20110206 14:23:20< CIA-89> Ported C++0x performance improvements from Autotools to Scons.
20110206 14:23:20< CIA-89> Since Scons was forcefully setting the compiler in C++98 mode, this behavior has
20110206 14:23:20< CIA-89> been preserved: C++0x features are not automatically detected (as they were with
20110206 14:23:20< CIA-89> Autotools) but rather require an explicitly setting by the user.
20110206 14:23:20< CIA-89> Removed strict-aliasing disabling, since it has been fixed for several months already.
20110206 14:24:16< Soliton> i disagree with won't fix of FR 16420, btw. it's a good idea.
20110206 14:24:54< boucman> wesbot: bu 16420
20110206 14:25:02< boucman> wesbot: bug 16420
20110206 14:25:03< wesbot> Bug #16420  Assigned to: None  Status: Wont Fix  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110206 14:25:06< wesbot> Summary: Rejoin Multiplayer Game with logins
20110206 14:25:08< wesbot> Original submission: It would be really neat if you could run a server wich al
20110206 14:25:11< wesbot> lowed users to disconnect and rejoin the server at a later dat to continue the g
20110206 14:25:11< Soliton> and it'd help 'normal' disconnects where the player returns quickly as well.
20110206 14:25:14< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?16420
20110206 14:30:34< Sirp|FOSDEM> yes I concur that 16420 is a very nice idea.
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20110206 14:30:46< Sirp|FOSDEM> I think it'd be great to have 'persistent' games that can go on for a long long time.
20110206 14:30:54< Sirp|FOSDEM> people logging in to continue them as needed.
20110206 14:31:03< Sirp|FOSDEM> naturally such a game doesn't have to stick around in the lobby.
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20110206 14:31:33< Sirp|FOSDEM> likely only those who are participating in it would have access to it. It would also ideally be persisted to disk when people playing it log off and not kept in memory.
20110206 14:32:06< Sirp|FOSDEM> and then have it send notifications via email to people when it's their turn -- then viola you have a very effective PBEM system
20110206 14:37:42< boucman> hehe
20110206 14:41:03< tsi|fosdem> goodbye from fosdem
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20110206 14:41:17< Soliton> and it'd likely would only be available to registered players.
20110206 14:41:29< Rhonda> Alright, now that squeeze is released, shall we upgrade the server?
20110206 14:41:30 * Rhonda hides.
20110206 14:41:54< Soliton> sure, you do it!
20110206 14:41:56< boucman> hehe
20110206 14:42:07< boucman> Rhonda: we'll have to, eventually
20110206 14:43:03< Rhonda> boucman: We have a year time, and if the plan that was discussed at the security meeting earlier this year maybe longer because of LTS :P
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20110206 14:43:48< Rhonda> But yes, I can do the upgrade and will see when I have the time to do it. Keep you updated.
20110206 14:44:02< Soliton> excellent.
20110206 14:45:42< boucman> thx Rhonda
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20110206 14:57:06< grzywacz> Soliton: ?
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20110206 15:00:11< mordante|FOSDEM> thanks Rhonda 
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20110206 15:02:13< Rhonda> mordante|FOSDEM: I still didn't get much further with cmake, I guess I have to give scons a try too.
20110206 15:04:19< Sirp|FOSDEM> mordante|FOSDEM: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UsingGooglePerformanceTools
20110206 15:04:25< elias> if you get both working you can then alternate between the two
20110206 15:05:07< boucman> Sirp|FOSDEM: thx, that's interesting
20110206 15:05:38< mordante|FOSDEM> Rhonda, :-( if you want I can try to help you when you have time
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20110206 15:06:42< Rhonda> My time is pretty limted these days and I fear that won't change for the next few weeks, are are going to move to a new home.
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20110206 15:13:50< grzywacz> *detached*
20110206 15:14:32< AI|FOSDEM> we should have the pathfind branch merged within the hour
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20110206 15:17:47< mordante|FOSDEM> Rhonda, ok
20110206 15:21:46< boucman> AI|FOSDEM: we have a pathfind branch ?
20110206 15:23:19< AI|FOSDEM> the teleporting stuff
20110206 15:23:21< AI|FOSDEM> [tunnel]
20110206 15:25:13< boucman> oh
20110206 15:25:22< boucman> I thought that had been merged a long time ago
20110206 15:26:32< AI|FOSDEM> no, silene wanted to have it benchmarked first
20110206 15:26:35< AI|FOSDEM> which took over a year
20110206 15:27:37< boucman> :(
20110206 15:27:48< boucman> so is it done ? can we merge ?
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20110206 15:31:51< mordante|FOSDEM> thanks Sirp|FOSDEM looks good
20110206 15:37:31< AI|FOSDEM> I'm compiling atm
20110206 15:37:36< AI|FOSDEM> so I can run a final test
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20110206 15:45:52< boucman> k
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20110206 15:54:41< CIA-89> ai0867 * r48426 /trunk/ (23 files in 8 dirs): Merge pathfind branch
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20110206 15:55:23< CIA-89> ai0867 * r48427 /branches/fendrin_pathfind/: Delete pathfind branch
20110206 15:58:08< Soliton> AI|FOSDEM: did you do the merge with git?
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20110206 15:58:44< timotei> hello
20110206 15:58:54< timotei> yupyy, exams sessions is now official finished >D
20110206 15:59:17< AI|FOSDEM> Soliton: I did it by hand with some help from svn
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20110206 15:59:42< Soliton> aww, ok.
20110206 15:59:43< AI|FOSDEM> svn merge changed hunders (probably thousands) of files
20110206 15:59:59< AI|FOSDEM> so I used svn diff (which got the right results) and applied that for each file with patch
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20110206 16:01:38< Soliton> ugg, i think svn has an invocation to basically move everything over, which is fine when the branch is synced.
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20110206 16:04:57< AI|FOSDEM> Soliton: yeah, well, I tried several ways
20110206 16:05:02< AI|FOSDEM> none of them worked
20110206 16:07:10< mordante|FOSDEM> the joys of merging :-(
20110206 16:08:41< AI|FOSDEM> "svn merge URL1 URL2 ." should be equivalent to "svn diff URL1 URL2|patch"
20110206 16:08:45< AI|FOSDEM> but it is very much not so
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20110206 16:25:25< Crab_|FOSDEM> AI|FOSDEM: congratulations on finally doing it ;)
20110206 16:25:54< AI|FOSDEM> =)
20110206 16:26:07< AI|FOSDEM> now we can get WoV to work
20110206 16:27:41< timotei> World of ...?
20110206 16:29:59< boucman> Vesnoth
20110206 16:30:06< boucman> :P
20110206 16:30:09< Ivanovic|WESDEM> world of vesper
20110206 16:30:11< timotei> is that the new world?
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20110206 16:30:24< timotei> or continent
20110206 16:31:42< AI|FOSDEM> Wings of Victory
20110206 16:31:50< AI|FOSDEM> it has at least one scenario that depends on [tunnel]
20110206 16:32:14< Ivanovic|WESDEM> ah, pofix is too heavy for my laptop...
20110206 16:33:10< boucman> is that a drake campaign  ?
20110206 16:33:18< AI|FOSDEM> yeah
20110206 16:33:20< Ivanovic|WESDEM> yes
20110206 16:33:29< AI|FOSDEM> developed by esr+fendrin I believe
20110206 16:33:46< AI|FOSDEM> there are still 2 other branches by fendrin: fendrin_gui_stuff and fendrin_editor
20110206 16:34:35< timotei> do you want to remove all branches? :P
20110206 16:42:44< Crab_|FOSDEM> fosdem bus schedule: http://fosdem.org/2011/transportation
20110206 16:44:36< AI|FOSDEM> timotei: no, the gui_stuff was unfinished
20110206 16:44:48< AI|FOSDEM> as for the editor, that was turning the map editor into a scenario editor
20110206 16:45:02< AI|FOSDEM> it wasn't quite finished yet, and people were still discussing whether it was even wanted
20110206 16:45:57< mordante|FOSDEM> I'm off bye
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20110206 16:58:46< CIA-89> ivanovic * r48428 /trunk/ (36 files in 28 dirs): updated German, Irish, Italian and Japanese translation
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20110206 17:07:09< timotei21> speaking of bugs numbers, is 191 that many?
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20110206 17:22:19< Ivanovic|WESDEM> bye (for the moment)
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20110206 18:09:44< Espreon> Ivanovic: Uh, only "technical" terrains are supposed to be italicized.
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20110206 18:50:56< Espreon> Ivanovic: The German translation for "― King Konrad, 536YW" has too much whitespace between the horizontal bar and the text.
20110206 18:52:12< Espreon> Ivanovic: Same for the translation for "― The Wesnoth Community"
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20110206 20:20:05< shadowmaster> Soliton: I know.
20110206 20:22:33< Soliton> ok, not sure why you considered that rule outdated then.
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20110206 20:50:12< Ivanovic> back from fosdem
20110206 20:51:43< Gambit> Sometimes you are fast.
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20110206 20:58:37< Ivanovic> hi SirpIpad
20110206 20:58:44< Ivanovic> SirpIpad: currently at the greek?
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20110206 21:00:21< Espreon> Ivanovic: Did you get my messages?
20110206 21:01:22< SirpIpad> Ivanovic: Yes ... Where are you? Home already?
20110206 21:01:30< Ivanovic> SirpIpad: yeah
20110206 21:01:36< Ivanovic> like i said, just about 3h drive
20110206 21:01:40< Ivanovic> (got in some 10min ago=
20110206 21:01:51< Ivanovic> Espreon: have not read all backlog, but there was no query started
20110206 21:02:02< SirpIpad> Good time :)
20110206 21:02:49< Espreon> Ivanovic: I was talking to you here.
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20110206 21:04:57< [Relic]> Hello :)
20110206 21:07:28< Ivanovic> Espreon: okay, saw those posts
20110206 21:07:53< Ivanovic> Espreon: then feel free to revert those, though the difference should be made more clear, eg chrber as translator has not seen it this way
20110206 21:08:09< Espreon> OK.
20110206 21:09:34< Ivanovic> (especially since the base terrains should then be italized in every case that they are explicitly referenced in the terrain part of the help)
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20110206 21:21:05< Ivanovic> SirpIpad: got my query?
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20110206 21:47:06< AI|FOSDEM> are the forums down?
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20110206 21:47:31< timotei> nope
20110206 21:47:38< timotei> works for me
20110206 21:53:30< Gambit> It's been sporadic.
20110206 21:53:52< Gambit> This morning there were a few minutes where even downforeveryoneorjustme.com couldn't reach them.
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20110206 21:59:16< Gambit> Yeah they're down for me right now :\
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20110206 22:49:11< fendrin> Hello :-)
20110206 22:49:30< timotei> hi fendrin 
20110206 22:49:41< fendrin> hi timotei
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20110206 22:56:23< Ivanovic> hi fendrin, welcome back
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20110206 23:15:21< fendrin> hi Ivanovic, hi Sirp
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20110206 23:38:24< CIA-89> ivanovic * r48429 /trunk/po/wesnoth-help/de.po: updated/fixed German translation
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20110206 23:43:03< AI0867> An error occurred during a connection to svn.gna.org.
20110206 23:43:04< AI0867> SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
20110206 23:43:04< AI0867> (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
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20110206 23:49:26< CIA-89> ai0867 * r48430 /trunk/changelog: Update changelog
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