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20110210 02:24:17< wesbot> grzywacz: Sorry, I don't know of Crab.
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20110210 02:24:54< wesbot> grzywacz: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 5d 14h ago.  5d 14h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
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20110210 04:24:24< shadowmaster> Sapient: I hear that Gambit wants to know why you moved  http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=32963 to Ideas
20110210 04:24:35< Gambit> Huh?
20110210 04:25:08< shadowmaster> he also dropped a colon and a backslash at me for some reason
20110210 04:25:16< Gambit> :\
20110210 04:25:24< shadowmaster> twice
20110210 04:25:29< shadowmaster> ;)
20110210 04:25:51< shadowmaster> but yeah, I'm interested too.
20110210 04:26:52< Gambit> Apparently SoftLock is not very effective on Illiteratemon
20110210 04:27:33< Gambit> I was actually prepared to lock that if one more person violated said softlock.
20110210 04:29:44< Gambit> I think I will.
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20110210 08:21:32< timotei> morning
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20110210 09:18:05< timotei> hmm.. can "language translation incomplete" be a bug?
20110210 09:18:56< CIA-79> timotei * r48456 /trunk/po/wesnoth/ro.po: fix for bug #17243
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20110210 10:18:22< Ivanovic> moin
20110210 10:21:12< timotei> hi Ivanovic 
20110210 10:21:27< timotei> I wanted to ask you yesterday. Where/When will be the list of ideas available?
20110210 10:21:31< timotei> for GSoC
20110210 10:21:40< CIA-79> timotei * r48457 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/handlers/ImportMapHandler.java: 
20110210 10:21:41< CIA-79> eclipse plugin: fix a null pointer exception when
20110210 10:21:41< CIA-79> there is no selected project
20110210 10:21:56< CIA-79> timotei * r48458 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (Activator.java handlers/SetupWorkspaceHandler.java): eclipse plugin: prevent duplicate PreferencesDialog show ups
20110210 10:22:12< CIA-79> timotei * r48459 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (3 files in 3 dirs): eclipse plugin: refactor the setup workspace trigger code
20110210 10:22:23< timotei> Ivanovic: or should we modify the current page
20110210 10:22:26< timotei> and update it to 2011?
20110210 10:22:28< timotei> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas
20110210 10:22:46< Ivanovic> ugh, no idea
20110210 10:23:01< Ivanovic> since the page itself has no year enlisted, lets use the same one again
20110210 10:23:08< Ivanovic> and just make all the lovely adjustments there
20110210 10:23:17< timotei> ok
20110210 10:23:36< timotei> will you update it? or should I do it
20110210 10:24:02< Ivanovic> feel free to do it
20110210 10:24:07< Ivanovic> i barely have any time
20110210 10:24:07< timotei> ok
20110210 10:24:29< Ivanovic> move the old ideas to some SummerOfCodeIdeas2010 or such so that the pages don't rot unlinked
20110210 10:24:36< timotei> ok
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20110210 11:02:11< timotei> Ivanovic: ok done
20110210 11:02:11< timotei> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:Summer_of_Code_2011
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20110210 14:47:35< fendrin> hi AI0867
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20110210 15:23:06 * Rhonda wonders …
20110210 15:24:11 * Rhonda is nervous about upgrading the server.  %-/
20110210 15:26:54 * Ivanovic holds Rhondas hand to calm her nerves
20110210 15:27:59< elias> which doesn't change the fact that Rhonda alone will be held responsible if anything breaks
20110210 15:34:01 * Rhonda . o O ( /nick elias )
20110210 15:39:41 * elias realizes too late he has an account there and Rhonda has root access so can actually do that... :P
20110210 15:40:30< loonycyborg> Rhonda: To which Toy Story character are you upgrading now? :P
20110210 15:40:52< Rhonda> the aliens
20110210 15:42:13 * Rhonda should have done that while you all were still sitting at WESDEM for best attention
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20110210 15:51:10< Rhonda> ** first round of updates: aptitude + dpkg and dependencies
20110210 15:52:42< fendrin> Rhonda: To be honest, updating a stable debian to the next stable version is one of the failproofed things in universe. It's just boring.
20110210 15:54:15< elias> fendrin: that's probably what makes him/her so nervous... if it does not work for some reason, and that for a debian dev themselves no less, it would be really bad :P
20110210 15:54:44< fendrin> I see..
20110210 15:54:46< Rhonda> fendrin: Well, the box will work. I can't promise anything for the wiki, the forum and the likes though.
20110210 15:54:49< fendrin> good point
20110210 15:55:06< fendrin> oh
20110210 15:55:22< Rhonda> and I've heard of people complaining losing their mysql database
20110210 15:55:37 * Rhonda . o O ( or was it postgres? both? )
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20110210 15:58:24< fendrin> Rhonda: Did you talk with shadowmaster about the updated phpbb?
20110210 15:58:41< fendrin> * to be updated
20110210 15:59:19< Rhonda> I would really hope that shadowmaster does regularly update phpbb without me explicitly pinging him.
20110210 15:59:35< fendrin> Surely he does.
20110210 16:00:08 * Rhonda wonders why we don't have locales-all installed but locales and have every single encoding checked in there.  *sighs*
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20110210 16:01:18< timotei> http://gamedevelopedia.com/screenshots/pipeline.jpg
20110210 16:01:19< timotei> uu
20110210 16:01:23< timotei> ops. wrong chat
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20110210 17:29:02< shadowmaster> fendrin: about what.
20110210 17:29:23< shadowmaster> Rhonda: also, yes, I update phpBB as soon as I finish applying modifications to the vanilla tree
20110210 17:29:39< shadowmaster> the last update (to 3.0.8) as on December or so IIRC.
20110210 17:31:08< fendrin> shadowmaster: The debian server on which the forum phpBB software runs is having an upgrade to the next stable version. 
20110210 17:31:11< shadowmaster> *was
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20110210 17:34:27< shadowmaster> my git tree says December 16th
20110210 17:37:09< shadowmaster> fendrin: I wouldn't worry.
20110210 17:37:41< shadowmaster> I've been running a phpBB installation on my laptop since Debian *lenny* and it has been unaffected by subsequent upgrades
20110210 17:38:01< shadowmaster> (installation that happens to use the same source tree as Wesnoth's)
20110210 17:40:06< fendrin> Debian upgrades are mostly flawless.
20110210 17:40:25< fendrin> From stable to next stable that is.
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20110210 17:50:47< fendrin> hi noy
20110210 17:50:59< noy> hello
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20110210 17:51:30< fendrin> noy: I have some time to spend now, tell me if you need any help with the khalifa/kalifathe faction.
20110210 17:51:50< noy> no, I think we're good, thank you
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20110210 17:58:39 * Rhonda wonders, we have the phpbb3 package actually installed.
20110210 17:58:46< Rhonda> We don't use that, right? Can I remove the package?
20110210 17:59:07< fendrin> shadowmaster: ^
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20110210 18:02:16< shadowmaster> Rhonda: yes
20110210 18:03:17< Gambit> Forums are dead.
20110210 18:03:37< Gambit> *Wesnoth.org
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20110210 18:03:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: good I was just about to point out that all web services are down.
20110210 18:04:22< shadowmaster> I'm glad to see you've learned to check other pages before blaming it on me. :/
20110210 18:04:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: Nah I still blame you.
20110210 18:05:08< shadowmaster> no, seriously :/
20110210 18:05:10< Rhonda> uh?
20110210 18:05:28< Gambit> janebot: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wesnoth.org
20110210 18:05:32< janebot> Gambit: title: http://wesnoth.org Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
20110210 18:05:33< Rhonda> 't was elias, I have prove of that!
20110210 18:07:01< Rhonda> janebot: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wesnoth.org
20110210 18:07:02< janebot> Rhonda: title: http://wesnoth.org Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
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20110210 18:12:08< CIA-79> ai0867 * r48460 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Make wmllint accept all [*_frame] variants, not just a specific subset
20110210 18:12:57< AI0867> esr: wmllint's line 1900 manages to trigger on comments in https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/macros/boss-utils.cfg
20110210 18:13:13< shadowmaster> AI0867: shush
20110210 18:13:25< shadowmaster> nobody uses my campaign as a wmllint test case and lives
20110210 18:13:44< AI0867> shadowmaster: your WML there is actually sane
20110210 18:13:46< esr> AI0867: Which comments?
20110210 18:13:56< AI0867> lines 291 and 443
20110210 18:14:11< fendrin> shadowmaster: I did that with timotei when he developed the umc eclipse plugin as well.
20110210 18:14:23< AI0867> and there is no [message] anywhere near that
20110210 18:15:35< timotei> oh yeah :D
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20110210 18:54:05< fendrin> timotei: Are you still around?
20110210 18:54:23< fendrin> timotei: Wesnoth isn't building anymore, Ivanovic told me to blaim you.
20110210 18:56:02< timotei> fendrin: yes I am
20110210 18:56:10< timotei> fendrin: hmm.. the Visual studio solution?
20110210 18:56:35< fendrin> timotei: "po/wesnoth/ro.po:5065: end-of-line within string"
20110210 18:56:39< timotei> I remember annonymous updated the solution ..
20110210 18:56:42< timotei> ops
20110210 18:56:50< timotei> lemme check
20110210 18:58:47< CIA-79> timotei * r48461 /trunk/po/wesnoth/ro.po: fix not-ended string
20110210 18:58:49< timotei> yep. Fixed ^
20110210 18:58:51< timotei> fendrin: ^
20110210 18:59:10< timotei> though... I don't see why it won't compile. since ... that isn't any piece of code
20110210 18:59:36< fendrin> timotei: thanks
20110210 18:59:47< loonycyborg> Those po files are compiled into .mo files during build process.
20110210 19:00:01< timotei> oh. I have turned them off :P
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20110210 20:29:50< mordante> servus
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20110210 20:34:46< grzywacz> I have to admit that this campaign based on Era of Magic is quite epic. :X
20110210 20:35:11< mordante> it's really amazing to see what's possible with Wesnoth
20110210 20:37:16< Mussious> sorry, I wasn't here during all of your discussion. Do you want to add to lands unknown to wesnoth?
20110210 20:40:01 * mordante wonders where the discussion was
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20110210 20:41:34< Mussious> I thought had been talking before I arrived, but I didn't saw this: "<mordante> servus"
20110210 20:41:36< Mussious> :)
20110210 20:44:01< mordante> Mussious, we didn't, but there are logs here ;-)
20110210 20:44:12< mordante> wesbot, seen silene
20110210 20:44:12< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick silene 59d 11h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20110210 20:44:34< Mussious> whare are these logs?
20110210 20:45:25< mordante> http://irclogs.wesnoth.org as listed in the topic of this chan
20110210 20:46:23< Mussious> thanks :)
20110210 20:46:32< mordante> you're welcome
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20110210 21:04:16< timotei> good night
20110210 21:04:27< Mussious> Good night
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20110210 21:11:14< grzywacz> Mussious, it's rather awesome, but probably not *polished* enough :)
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20110210 21:11:38< grzywacz> Crab___, :)
20110210 21:11:39< Crab___> grzywacz: hi.
20110210 21:11:48< Crab___> grzywacz: still not at home (returning tomorrow ;) )
20110210 21:11:59< Crab___> grzywacz: you were looking for me?
20110210 21:12:20< Ivanovic> hi Crab___
20110210 21:12:26< Ivanovic> Crab___: still in brussels?
20110210 21:12:29< grzywacz> Crab___, yeah, I'm looking at the AI stuff, but it's nothing urgent. Thanks for asking :)
20110210 21:13:10< Crab___> ok )
20110210 21:13:21< Crab___> Ivanovic: no, in Amsterdam (since 8th)
20110210 21:13:28< Ivanovic> ah
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20110210 21:23:44 * Ivanovic currently composes a mail regarding gsoc2011
20110210 21:33:07< fendrin> hi mordante
20110210 21:33:22< mordante> hi fendrin 
20110210 21:34:30< fendrin> mordante: The branch can't be merged with trunk anymore. You can compile it and use it as a prototype to see how the basic design is.
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20110210 21:35:28< mordante> fendrin, why can't it be merged anymore?
20110210 21:35:51< fendrin> Too much changes in the codebase.
20110210 21:36:22< mordante> :-( but it compiles?
20110210 21:36:27< fendrin> yes
20110210 21:36:31< fendrin> the branch compiles
20110210 21:36:41< fendrin> the recall dialoge does segfault 
20110210 21:36:52< fendrin> but the recruit one is looking fine
20110210 21:37:43< mordante> do you have the checkout path?
20110210 21:38:48< fendrin> svn+ssh://mordante@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/branches/fendrin_gui_stuff
20110210 21:39:15< fendrin> It is still a 1.7.8 Version.
20110210 21:40:09< mordante> ok, checking it out, seems I don't have it on this box, probably only on my old box
20110210 21:41:21< fendrin> mordante: I have splitt wml_message into several subclasses. Merging that back in is a nightmare.
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20110210 21:45:56< Ivanovic> [21:45:50] * Ivanovic thinks in even worse ways, wesnoth could start an umbrella including frogatto since part of the wesnoth devs also work with frogatto stuff...
20110210 21:46:20 * Ivanovic just asked carols if frogatto could possibly be eligible and yeah, it should be possible
20110210 21:47:33< mordante> ok interesting
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20110210 21:51:43< fendrin> Ivanovic: Why shouldn't both games participate independendly?
20110210 21:52:02< Ivanovic> fendrin: of course both can participate
20110210 21:52:15< Ivanovic> and independendly at that
20110210 21:52:18< fendrin> What benefit do you see from the umbrella thing?
20110210 21:52:32< Ivanovic> this was just a crazy and joking idea
20110210 21:52:45< Ivanovic> yeah, i do know that sarasm does not carry well over irc
20110210 21:53:02< elias> well, could have a frog unit in wesnoth
20110210 21:53:12< Ivanovic> but hey, wesnoth being an umbrella comparable to eg the phyton foundation or kde or gnu, would that not be something great?
20110210 21:53:16< Ivanovic> the first gaming umbrella?
20110210 21:53:18< Ivanovic> ^^
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20110210 21:57:25< mordante> sounds interesting
20110210 21:57:39< mordante> do we know whether Dave wants to participate?
20110210 21:57:51< Ivanovic> no idea / not sure
20110210 21:58:16< Ivanovic> but yeah, frogatto can participate with eg us vouching for them
20110210 21:58:25< Ivanovic> (since frogatto is smaller and not as well known as we are)
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20110210 22:11:25< mordante> Ivanovic, will you still be GSoC admin this year? (assuming we get in)
20110210 22:11:36< Ivanovic> i think so
20110210 22:11:42< Ivanovic> should be able to somehow handle stuff
20110210 22:11:54< Ivanovic> (though i *will* need help for all the prep stuff!)
20110210 22:12:25< mordante> yeah read your email
20110210 22:13:04< crimson_penguin> so how does mentoring work with gsoc?
20110210 22:14:13< mordante> crimson_penguin, two parts
20110210 22:14:42< mordante> 1- judge the work the student did and report to google whether you think (s)he deserves money
20110210 22:15:05< crimson_penguin> (asking since Frogatto's thinking about applying, and there aren't many of us, so I'm thinking probably most/all of us would have to be mentors)
20110210 22:15:16< mordante> 2- help the student with his/her project be the main contact for the student
20110210 22:16:09< mordante> and it's preferable that the mentor also knows a lot about the part of code the student is going to work on
20110210 22:16:16< mordante> but that's not mandatory
20110210 22:16:23< crimson_penguin> makes sense
20110210 22:16:36< mordante> and with Wesnoth we wanted to have the students in IRC so the could contact all devs
20110210 22:17:13< mordante> sometimes a project touches an area which the mentor doesn't know too well and other devs know the answer
20110210 22:17:35< crimson_penguin> yeah, that's really ideal
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20110210 22:17:43< crimson_penguin> definitely some form of IM is ideal
20110210 22:17:59< mordante> and ultimately the goal is that the student enjoys hacking the code so much that (s)he sticks around after the summer
20110210 22:18:32< mordante> crimson_penguin, yes, but also depends on the project, other project might be more email orientated
20110210 22:18:57< crimson_penguin> yeah
20110210 22:19:08< mordante> did that answer your question?
20110210 22:20:02< crimson_penguin> well, one other small question - how many mentors/students does Wesnoth have, and how many would Frogatto be likely to have?
20110210 22:20:03< CIA-79> jhinrichs * r48462 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fix compiler warnings for VC++ because of inconsistent usage regarding struct/class.
20110210 22:20:13< mordante> normally when you get accepted you get at least two slots
20110210 22:20:58< CIA-79> jhinrichs * r48463 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/game_save_oos.cfg: Introduce line breaks for OOS-dialog.
20110210 22:21:06< mordante> but the organization has to tell Google how many slots they want and then it's how Google decides how to distribute the slots
20110210 22:21:53< crimson_penguin> and then it's one mentor per slot?
20110210 22:21:55< mordante> but this far we always got the number of slots we requested (IIRC 4 in the first year 6 the second and 4 the third)
20110210 22:22:19< mordante> not sure whether you are allowed more than one student
20110210 22:22:38< mordante> but one student has one mentor
20110210 22:23:09< mordante> (at least one is registered at Google, the organization is free do it differently internally)
20110210 22:23:33< mordante> we're not sure yet how many mentors we have this year
20110210 22:24:04< crimson_penguin> I would think we would only want 2 or so, since there are so few of us
20110210 22:24:36< mordante> sounds reasonable
20110210 22:24:51< crimson_penguin> oh ok, makes sense
20110210 22:25:30< mordante> Ivanovic, was also wondering whether it would be an idea to make Wesnoth an umbrella for Frogatto
20110210 22:31:30< mordante> YogiHH, nice to see r48463 fixed your issue
20110210 22:32:03< YogiHH> mordante: well, it still extends the dialog to the full window width, but at least not beyond it :)
20110210 22:32:54< mordante> YogiHH, if you really want you can limit the width of the window
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20110210 22:46:01< mordante> I'm off night
20110210 22:46:18< grzywacz> night mordante 
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20110210 23:31:53< grzywacz> hi boucman 
20110210 23:32:40< boucman> hey
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20110210 23:38:15< Espreon> Hmmm... cave wall is a bit messed up.
20110210 23:38:31< Espreon> boucman: ^
20110210 23:38:43< fendrin> hi boucman
20110210 23:38:56< boucman> yes, i know
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