--- Log opened Sat Feb 12 00:00:07 2011
20110212 00:00:14< grzywacz> elias, unfortunately mumble can't be easily integrated with a game at this point :)
20110212 00:00:18< zookeeper> actually i have no idea whatsoever how good speech-to-text is today or if there even are any decent free software for that. anyway, i wasn't seriously suggesting that in case that wasn't clear.
20110212 00:00:33< grzywacz> It was clear.
20110212 00:00:37< elias> but wesnoth has a pioneer role in FOSS gaming i guess, so not strange if it would be the first to do something
20110212 00:01:05< elias> grzywacz: i see... only found it with google before and saw that they have a library you can use
20110212 00:01:24< grzywacz> elias, they do, and I hoped it might be of some use, but it's incomplete :)
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20110212 00:01:37< grzywacz> elias, a crude stream-speex-over-udp might Just Work 
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20110212 00:01:53< elias> grzywacz: yeah, was wondering about that
20110212 00:02:09< elias> just fill a buffer and stream to SDL
20110212 00:02:24< fendrin> It won't be so easy to get the microphone/headphone setup working in all operating systems.
20110212 00:02:25< grzywacz> Not sure if 1.2 supports microphones?
20110212 00:02:50< elias> 1.3 would be interesting anyway
20110212 00:02:51< grzywacz> Yeah, SDL 2.0 does support that.
20110212 00:03:21< elias> ah, so it will be 2.0, not 1.4 i guess
20110212 00:03:42< grzywacz> indeed
20110212 00:03:57< loonycyborg> elias: Most of those seem to be shooters.
20110212 00:06:12< grzywacz> loonycyborg, Alpha Centauri had VoIP capability :)
20110212 00:06:19< grzywacz> And it's basically a Civ game.
20110212 00:06:29< grzywacz> I know people have been using it, too.
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20110212 00:11:05< loonycyborg> grzywacz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMAC <- do you mean this Alpha Centauri? I've used my winxp VM mostly for it for some time, and didn't know that there is voip.
20110212 00:11:22< grzywacz> SMAC, yes.
20110212 00:11:29< loonycyborg> Which pretty much shows that I have no use for voip myself :P
20110212 00:11:31< grzywacz> loonycyborg, \ is the hotkey, push to talk :)
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20110212 00:25:01< noy> Look, let me take a minute to express my concerns by giving people an example of why I think this is a bad idea
20110212 00:25:44< noy> Right now there is a teenage girl who plays on the server and considers herself a friend to about everybody. No names. 
20110212 00:26:24< noy> I've had to go in a number of times because someone has been harassing her with sexual comments. 
20110212 00:26:44< noy> these people were previously someone she "considered" a friend. 
20110212 00:27:26< noy> She's complained about the behavior of that person, and upon review the behavior she faced was absolutely reprehensible. 
20110212 00:28:25< noy> This is what I worry about such a feature. First, as much as it will be considered "oh you should only put friends on" in reality I can easily see voip being a standard. 
20110212 00:29:28< noy> Given our admittedly weak ability to ban people, such harassment will be much easier
20110212 00:29:46< noy> and we'll just throw up our hands and say, oh well.
20110212 00:31:07< noy> We've established the server being a place that is about a PG-13 level, well if one aspect of communication is considered unmoderated, you can't easily say that the other side is moderated. 
20110212 00:32:07< noy> As the individual most responsible for the actual moderation of the server, simplistic statements like "tell them to ignore it" won't work in practice. 
20110212 00:32:45< noy> because peoples'  relationships aren't simplistic... like the example for what I stated above. 
20110212 00:35:30< grzywacz> Thanks.
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20110212 00:41:14< Sirp__> noy: so thank you for offering the example, and I appreciate there are many difficulties of moderating the server. However, as a matter of principle Wesnoth has generally never disallowed useful features because some people might somehow use them malevolently. If we need to put terms of use on the server or such, we could do that.
20110212 00:41:24< Sirp__> of course this is all academic until someone seriously wants to implement such a thing.
20110212 00:41:34< noy> That's not quite true however. 
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20110212 00:42:08< noy> We don't have a multiplayer statistics server on the server for the same reason; its open to abuse. 
20110212 00:42:54< noy> and will likely have an negative effect on the server's culture.
20110212 00:43:25< Sirp__> I have no problem with the development of such a thing, as long as players aren't forced into it.
20110212 00:43:53< Sirp__> but there is little reason to now; the ladder has been developed  and works well.
20110212 00:44:24< deekay> Please let not bring ladder topic here. :)
20110212 00:50:18< noy> back in a bit
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20110212 03:11:00< HosenJack> I put my giant @==========> in the (_o_) of your mother , and when i look at the face of your mother while doing so, she looks like >^_^<
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20110212 03:12:06< Gambit> Who is this moron?
20110212 03:12:26< shadowmaster> someone who is having lots of fun: http://shadowm.rewound.net/fooooo1.png
20110212 03:12:42< shadowmaster> don't taunt him. or he'll spam you too.
20110212 03:12:45< shadowmaster> ;)
20110212 03:13:03< Gambit> I care so deeply.
20110212 03:13:57< Gambit> Oh there it is.
20110212 03:14:08 * Gambit searches for a freenode policy that he is violating.
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20110212 03:15:15< Gambit> Clearly he's a spambot. ;)
20110212 03:15:19< Gambit> No human can type this fast.
20110212 03:15:24< Gambit> ;)
20110212 03:15:42< shadowmaster> nah, he's copy-pasting
20110212 03:15:48< Gambit> shhh
20110212 03:15:55< Gambit> I have to believe that what I tell the opers is the truth ;)
20110212 03:15:58< Gambit> But now you've ruined it!
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20110212 03:59:12< AI0867> wmllint's heuristics can fail in amazing ways when you feed it WML of sufficient complexity
20110212 04:02:02< shadowmaster> I discovered that years ago.
20110212 04:02:02< shadowmaster> you missed the memo.
20110212 04:03:18< AI0867> yes
20110212 04:03:27< AI0867> but I discovered new heights of amazingness here
20110212 04:04:10< AI0867> I mean, it's removing underscores from macro names at the moment....
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20110212 04:35:17< CIA-117> espreon * r48467 /trunk/data/languages/ko_KR.cfg: Made Korean conform.
20110212 04:36:18< Salade> hi, for voice chat, i think ppl can use use vent or  teamspeak, it is not a must to have that feature built-in
20110212 04:36:39< Salade> sorry, didn't score down.. there was an old conversation :-P
20110212 04:36:44< Salade> scroll down
20110212 04:40:36< CIA-117> espreon * r48468 /trunk/doc/design/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Set svn:eol-style.
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20110212 06:47:13< CIA-117> espreon * r48469 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: Italicized some missed terms.
20110212 06:47:48< Espreon> Ivanovic: Yeah, the technical terms aren't used enough, thus I went with the other plan of just italicizing all terrain terms.
20110212 06:51:59< CIA-117> espreon * r48470 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: Fixed a spelling error; pofix will not be helpful in this case.
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20110212 07:24:25< mordante> servus
20110212 07:24:50< shadowmaster> hi there
20110212 07:24:57< mordante> hi shadowmaster 
20110212 07:25:54< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20110212 07:26:00< CIA-117> fendrin * r48471 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Finetuned the recruit dialogue.
20110212 07:26:18< fendrin> hi mordante
20110212 07:26:38< fendrin> mordante: Should look much better now :-)
20110212 07:28:09< Espreon> Uh...
20110212 07:28:25< Espreon> Why do dialogue bands now have OK, Cancel, and Help buttons?
20110212 07:28:31< Espreon> fendrin: ^
20110212 07:29:20< fendrin> Espreon: I still need to disable them in the case that there is no option to choise from. It is on my TODO.
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20110212 07:30:59< mordante> fendrin, still doesn't compile with the EXPERIMENTAL gui stuff :-(
20110212 07:31:23< mordante> fendrin, it would have been really nice if you gave me time to review the code before adding it
20110212 07:32:44< mordante> Espreon, it make not much sense to work with a large group on GUI2 a lot of low level stuff is still being worked upon
20110212 07:33:06< Espreon> Hmmm... I see.
20110212 07:33:11< mordante> Espreon, and we most of the time don't really coordinate work, which makes working on low level stuff tricky
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20110212 07:33:47< Espreon> Meh, oh well.
20110212 07:34:13< fendrin> I am glad that I code on the high level end of the gui framework. Most is very smooth here.
20110212 07:34:32< mordante> yup that is the idea
20110212 07:36:06< fendrin> There is only one feature missing left and the recruit dialog is as good as the old one.
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20110212 07:37:25< mordante> what is missing?
20110212 07:37:44< fendrin> mordante: Well, all the unit statistics.
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20110212 07:38:46< fendrin> hp, xp, attacks and so forth
20110212 07:39:01< fendrin> But a trick will do it.
20110212 07:40:07< timotei> morning
20110212 07:40:16< mordante> hi timotei 
20110212 07:42:16< mordante> fendrin, can you tell me when you're ready with the recruit code I want to review it but your last commit didn't fix any comment
20110212 07:43:09< fendrin> mordante: Where is the current comment?
20110212 07:43:22< fendrin> I can extend it when I know where to search for.
20110212 07:44:03< mordante> fendrin, at the moment I'm talking about the doxygen comment yesterday it had a lot of TODO as comment
20110212 07:44:27< mordante> the wikicomment is in about every dialog, I will hunt the rest down in the near future
20110212 07:45:09< fendrin> I will fix most of the TODO in the near future. I guess the wml_message dialog is still missing the wikicomment.
20110212 07:47:30< fendrin> mordante: Do you prefer deriving the wml_message class for every type of dialog or shall I keep everything within the class?
20110212 07:48:27 * mordante starts to cry
20110212 07:48:58< mordante> I already said a the beginning that the code must _NOT_ be in one big class
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20110212 07:49:33< mordante> if somebody wants to modify one dialog it should not change other directly
20110212 07:50:47< fendrin> Fine, I will find a reasonable solution for it.
20110212 07:51:52< mordante> afk
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20110212 07:55:50< timotei> hmm. we, wesnoth devs, are not employees right?
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20110212 08:02:13< shadowmaster> I meant you to ask the people who wrote those ToS, not us
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20110212 08:29:31< mordante> timotei, sometimes I wonder, lately I can't work on things _I_ want but what others force me to :-(
20110212 08:30:11< timotei> mordante: oh. I was asking to see if I can play a certain Open Beta
20110212 08:30:13< timotei> Game
20110212 08:30:14< timotei> xD
20110212 08:30:38< mordante> Open Beta?
20110212 08:30:58< timotei> Open Beta of Rift
20110212 08:31:04< timotei> a new MMORPG developed by Trion Games
20110212 08:31:12< mordante> ah ok
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20110212 10:23:18< CIA-63> silene * r48472 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Updated minimap on recall. (Fix for bug #17676, patch by Etienne Simon.)
20110212 10:23:20< CIA-63> silene * r48473 /trunk/src/ (ai/composite/value_translator.hpp ana/api/predicates.hpp): Fixed compilation warning with GCC 4.2. (Fix for bug #17584 and bug #17585, patch by Etienne Simon.)
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20110212 10:54:25< Ivanovic> moin
20110212 10:54:43< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110212 11:15:08< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48474 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated German translation
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20110212 13:20:20< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48475 /trunk/ (789 files in 27 dirs): 
20110212 13:20:20< CIA-63> pot-update
20110212 13:20:20< CIA-63> regenerated doc files
20110212 13:23:19< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48476 /branches/1.8/ (99 files in 25 dirs): 
20110212 13:23:19< CIA-63> pot-update (reference update only since another 1.8.x release is planned)
20110212 13:23:19< CIA-63> regenerated doc files
20110212 13:23:40< fendrin> hi Ivanovic
20110212 13:24:12< Ivanovic> fendrin: IIRC i asked you some time ago to have a look at making the encyclopedia follow the general style rules
20110212 13:24:19< Ivanovic> have you managed to have a look at this already?
20110212 13:24:29< fendrin> Oh no
20110212 13:24:36< fendrin> didn't do a thing on that
20110212 13:25:09< fendrin> isn't that something wmllint could catch?
20110212 13:39:12< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48477 /website/start/1.10/ (22 files in 2 dirs): 
20110212 13:39:12< CIA-63> prepare stuff for the 1.10 release notes (fendrin requested being already able to work on it)
20110212 13:39:12< CIA-63> this is based on the 1.8 stuff and just commenting out basically everything in the template that was 1.8 specific
20110212 13:39:12< CIA-63> the current images in images/ are the old ones, please replace them with recent ones once they are available
20110212 13:39:15< Ivanovic> fendrin: i don't think so
20110212 13:39:34< Ivanovic> fendrin: and there you are with the option to work on the features for listing in the next stable announcement
20110212 13:39:42< Ivanovic> just edit template.html to add stuff
20110212 13:40:10< fendrin> Ah good, I already have a rough summary of what is done already.
20110212 13:40:46< Ivanovic> left all the old stuff in there as sample
20110212 13:41:05< Ivanovic> so far i only changed all "1.8" to "1.10" and added 1.8 under older releases
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20110212 13:41:46< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48478 /trunk/po/wesnoth-dw/de.po: updated German translation
20110212 13:47:45< timotei> Ivanovic: will 1.10 made out of trunk, or from 1.8 ?
20110212 13:48:02< Ivanovic> timotei: trunk in december
20110212 13:48:07< Ivanovic> yeah, it is still far off
20110212 13:48:18< timotei> Ivanovic: good. I was just scared it will be based on 1.8 
20110212 13:48:19< timotei> xD
20110212 13:50:55< mordante> timotei, it is based on 1.8 ... that were trunk is based upon ;-)
20110212 13:52:21< timotei> mordante: umm... yeah. but trunk got different breaking changes.
20110212 13:52:33< mordante> of course
20110212 13:52:34< timotei> I was refering if 1.10 will include them or not ^^
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20110212 13:53:55< mordante> yup it will
20110212 13:54:21< Ivanovic> timotei: the *announcement* files are a copy of the 1.8 files, nothing else
20110212 13:54:45< Ivanovic> simply since they are a good place to start writing the stuff for december 2011 when trunk will be 1.10
20110212 13:56:40< CIA-63> mordante * r48479 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/ (dispatcher.cpp dispatcher_private.hpp): 
20110212 13:56:40< CIA-63> Unify the code for all event dispatching.
20110212 13:56:40< CIA-63> Make the build_chain a template which allows the code to be more generic.
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20110212 14:06:01< timotei> yeah. ok
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20110212 14:08:01< timotei> mordante: btw, what do you use for writing the C++ code?
20110212 14:08:04< timotei> vim+make?
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20110212 14:09:56< mordante> yup and cmake
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20110212 15:23:37< AI0867> esr: how do I make wmllint ignore/noconvert a multiline string? I can't add # wmllint: noconvert on the same line as the assignment without breaking up the string
20110212 15:24:27< esr> AI0867: Try the ignore or display directives.
20110212 15:25:15< AI0867> wmllint seems to ignore those unless they're on the same line
20110212 15:25:57< esr> It should treat display on and display off as span directives.
20110212 15:26:24< AI0867> right, that should work
20110212 15:28:12< AI0867> it doesn't seem to do anything though
20110212 15:28:37< AI0867> both display on .... display off and the other way around do nothing
20110212 15:29:35< AI0867> it has no effect on underscores
20110212 15:33:16< AI0867> esr: ^
20110212 15:33:27< esr> Crap.
20110212 15:33:52< esr> What campaign is this?
20110212 15:36:24< AI0867> https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/macros/items.cfg
20110212 15:36:38< esr> Line?
20110212 15:36:54< AI0867> 143 through 170 or so
20110212 15:37:22< AI0867> ignore the =null line
20110212 15:40:26< esr> See Eastern Invasion, scenario 17a_The_Duel.cfg, about line 90, for a sample of how to use display on correctly.  If that doesn't work I'm really not sure what to tell you.
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20110212 15:53:31< AI0867> esr: that works for non-standard lineendings, yes
20110212 15:53:46< AI0867> but if you look into wmllint's source, you'll see that it does not affect translation marks
20110212 15:54:48< AI0867> I mean, remove the translation mark between those display directives, and wmllint will happily readd it
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20110212 16:09:13< timotei21> shadowmaster: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2369183,00.asp :D
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20110212 16:14:21< elias> maybe wesnoth should be put on steam
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20110212 16:15:35< elias> if OSX users will be able to get it from the mac store, only fair that windows users have a similar way to get it :)
20110212 16:17:21< Aethaeryn> Wait, what?
20110212 16:17:23< Aethaeryn> Only the Mac Store?
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20110212 16:25:37< timotei21> umm... 
20110212 16:25:52< timotei21> Gambit: you said the free voice calls from within GMAIL to US/Canada
20110212 16:25:59< timotei21> does that mean I can phone from Romania to US too?
20110212 16:26:20< timotei21> Also, if you read carefully: Rates
20110212 16:26:20< timotei21> Calls to the U.S. and Canada are free in 2010. International calls are billed at our insanely low rates.
20110212 16:26:26< timotei21> and I bet they said in 2011 too
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20110212 16:29:58< AI0867> timotei21: it's voip from you to google, then google makes the rest of the call from california
20110212 16:30:16< timotei21> AI0867: so... I can phone FREE to US?I can't belive lol
20110212 16:30:20< AI0867> within US/canada, their costs are so low they don't charge you anything
20110212 16:30:26< timotei21> oh
20110212 16:30:52< timotei21> anyway. they don't have my contact info so they could make me pay xD
20110212 16:30:54< AI0867> outside US/canada, they have to pay other carriers
20110212 16:31:10< timotei21> good
20110212 16:31:32< AI0867> but yes, anyone can now make free phone calls to the US
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20110212 17:13:09 * Ivanovic is currently removing tinygui
20110212 17:13:30< timotei21> xD
20110212 17:13:49< mordante> nice
20110212 17:20:39< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48480 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 5 dirs): 
20110212 17:20:39< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 1:
20110212 17:20:39< CIA-63> removed all the if(n)defs from the sources (please review that I got everything right!)
20110212 17:20:39< CIA-63> TODO: remove from build systems and data/
20110212 17:21:43< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: can you have a look at removing the stuff from sconstruct?
20110212 17:21:56< Ivanovic> now we just have one gui left, "normal", so no more need to differ between the two
20110212 17:22:11< loonycyborg> Sure.
20110212 17:25:12< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48481 /trunk/CMakeLists.txt: 
20110212 17:25:12< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 2:
20110212 17:25:12< CIA-63> remove tinygui specific stuff from CMake
20110212 17:25:12< CIA-63> TODO: remove tinygui from scons and data files
20110212 17:26:28< loonycyborg> Ugh.. It doesn't compile for me already.
20110212 17:27:39< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ddqjFu65
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20110212 17:33:35< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48482 /trunk/src/multiplayer_create.cpp: 
20110212 17:33:35< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 3:
20110212 17:33:35< CIA-63> make broken file compile again
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20110212 17:36:55< mordante> Ivanovic, luckily you part x and not x of y ;-)
20110212 17:37:11< Ivanovic> yeah
20110212 17:37:33< Ivanovic> mordante: what do you think, should i remove the "really low res stuff" from the gui2 cfg files?
20110212 17:38:21< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48483 /trunk/src/storyscreen/render.cpp: 
20110212 17:38:22< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 3:
20110212 17:38:22< CIA-63> fix another missed preprocessor clause...
20110212 17:38:40< loonycyborg> src/storyscreen/render.cpp:161:2: error: #endif without #if <- that one?
20110212 17:39:06< mordante> Ivanovic, not sure might be extra work to add it later on, on the other hand it may not work nicely at the moment
20110212 17:39:13< mordante> so feel free to remove it
20110212 17:39:56< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: exactly
20110212 17:40:01< Ivanovic> it does compile over here now
20110212 17:41:29< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48484 /trunk/data/ (game_config.cfg themes/default.cfg themes/macros.cfg): 
20110212 17:41:29< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 4:
20110212 17:41:29< CIA-63> basic removal from config files (not from GUI2 specific stuff!)
20110212 17:41:29< CIA-63> TODO: remove tinygui from scons build system and consider if removing "smaller res" support should be removed from GUI2 config files
20110212 17:42:19< Ivanovic> mordante: atm everything is gone that depended on the preprocessor defines from the build system and the stuff created from those as defines for the engine
20110212 17:42:38< Ivanovic> mordante: the other stuff is at least processed when running normally, since not explicitly guarded
20110212 17:42:40< Ivanovic> hence my question
20110212 17:42:59< Ivanovic> you are basically using "GUI_TINY*" as var name
20110212 17:43:33< CIA-63> fendrin * r48485 /trunk/src/ (gui/dialogs/wml_message.cpp unit.cpp unit.hpp): Made the gui2 recruit dialog feature complete.
20110212 17:44:20< fendrin> mordante: ^ recruit dialogue is finished except some tweaks to the .cfg file.
20110212 17:44:28< CIA-63> loonycyborg * r48486 /trunk/SConstruct: Removed gui=tiny option from SConstruct.
20110212 17:44:55< fendrin> mordante: recall will follow when there is a sortable listbox.
20110212 17:45:26< timotei21> loonycyborg: you forgot something xD 
20110212 17:45:35< timotei21> loonybot: you should renumber the "Prerequisites"
20110212 17:45:36< timotei21> :P
20110212 17:45:36< loonybot> error: 'you' does not name a type
20110212 17:45:44< timotei21> oh tabcomplete fail
20110212 17:46:45< CIA-63> mordante * r48487 /trunk/src/tests/gui/test_gui2.cpp: 
20110212 17:46:45< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 5
20110212 17:46:45< CIA-63> Make the unit tests compile again. There seem to be no regressions but
20110212 17:46:45< CIA-63> hard to say since the tests are broken at the moment.
20110212 17:47:22< Ivanovic> personally i'd like to leave that part (the GUI2 stuff) in since it should be usablle for "our resolution is below 800x480 now", right?
20110212 17:47:47< Ivanovic> that is: once we can remove the hardlimit of 800x600/800x480 in the (hopefully not too far) future
20110212 17:49:49< mordante> Ivanovic, yeah the name TINY_GUI is used for really small stuff, but since testing TINY_GUI was annoying due to installing I didn't do it a lot
20110212 17:50:12< mordante> but we can leave that name, explains its usage rather well
20110212 17:50:20< Ivanovic> yeah
20110212 17:50:57< mordante> fendrin, that depends on what you call fine, unit tests and compilation with experimental are still broke
20110212 17:51:19< mordante> fendrin, also as I told you before I really hate the design
20110212 17:52:35< fendrin> the design is only a matter of a new cfg file.
20110212 17:52:59< fendrin> thanks to the gui2 framework.
20110212 17:53:03< CIA-63> loonycyborg * r48488 /trunk/SConstruct: Comment cleanup/fix
20110212 17:53:06< mordante> no it is not only a matter of a new cfg file
20110212 17:53:35< fendrin> no?
20110212 17:53:56< mordante> no a new cfg doesn't move all the extra code out of the wml_message class
20110212 17:54:31< fendrin> mordante: I will make a class hierarchy. Like the one in the branch. Don't worry.
20110212 17:55:02< mordante> not sure whether a hierachy from wml_message is the best way
20110212 17:55:25< mordante> guess it would be better copy the class remove what you don't use and then revert the original class
20110212 17:56:05< fendrin> No.
20110212 17:56:33< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48489 /trunk/ (INSTALL cmake/ShrinkImages.cmake): 
20110212 17:56:33< CIA-63> "tiny gui support"-removal part 6:
20110212 17:56:33< CIA-63> remove reference in INSTALL files and now useless cmake file
20110212 17:56:38< fendrin> That hierarchy was working well.
20110212 17:56:46< fendrin> Why double the code?
20110212 18:07:14< CIA-63> mordante * r48490 /trunk/src/gui/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20110212 18:07:14< CIA-63> Reimplemented the tooltip event code.
20110212 18:07:14< CIA-63> The code now lets the widget show its own tooltip instead of letting the
20110212 18:07:14< CIA-63> distributor figure it all out.
20110212 18:07:14< CIA-63> The commit also adds a new event type class; the message. A message goes
20110212 18:07:15< CIA-63> from a widget to the window (instead of the other way around). The message
20110212 18:07:16< CIA-63> class is used to let the widget ask the window to really show the tooltip.
20110212 18:07:44< mordante> fendrin, what code of the wml_message do you use, a quick glimpse shows a new unit listbox and no usage of the input
20110212 18:07:50< mordante> text*
20110212 18:08:24< timotei21> haha http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/galaxy-tab.jpg
20110212 18:10:38< loonycyborg> timotei21: That's some effective trolling :P
20110212 18:10:45< timotei21> xD
20110212 18:11:55< fendrin> mordante: yes, that is why the class deserves splitting. If the option list is used the text input part is also disabled.
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20110212 18:12:25< fendrin> The logic consequence is a base class that can only display the message.
20110212 18:12:56< fendrin> and childclasses that extent it by on feature, either text input, option list or unit list.
20110212 18:13:16< fendrin> s/on/one
20110212 18:22:13< CIA-63> anonymissimus * r48491 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: MSVC projectfile update
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20110212 18:24:42< mordante> not really convinced it is a good idea, but might work, but that means a redesign of the wml_message class
20110212 18:25:17< fendrin> mordante: Do you prefer single files for each subclass in a subdirectory?
20110212 18:25:36< mordante> I prefer one class per file
20110212 18:25:51< mordante> depending on the amount a subdirectory might be cleaner
20110212 18:26:02< fendrin> well, one just message
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20110212 18:26:11< fendrin> maybe icon_message
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20110212 18:26:17< fendrin> or image_message
20110212 18:26:30< fendrin> it is just a message with portrait.
20110212 18:27:02< fendrin> another one for the text, option, unit , recall, recruit
20110212 18:27:08< mordante> I would call it image, icon is typical very small
20110212 18:27:21< fendrin> mordante: so we are at about ~6 files.
20110212 18:28:02< fendrin> yeah, image_message
20110212 18:28:07< fendrin> sounds better
20110212 18:28:20< mordante> I'd say a subdirectory 6 now and who knows what else comes
20110212 18:28:57< fendrin> fine
20110212 18:29:33< mordante> are you planning to refactor the current code or rewrite from the ground up?
20110212 18:29:56< fendrin> I think I am going to refactor. I liked the design of the class.
20110212 18:31:21< fendrin> The left/right instanciationg black magic is a little hacky to me but It went out well once so I can do it a second time.
20110212 18:33:37< mordante> afk dinner's ready
20110212 18:37:55< CIA-63> fendrin * r48492 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/image_message/ (. image_message.cpp image_message.hpp): Begin of the wml_message refactoring.
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20110212 19:17:52< grzywacz> hi
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20110212 19:22:56< fendrin> hi grzywacz
20110212 19:23:21< grzywacz> hey fendrin :)
20110212 19:25:08< Espreon> zookeeper: Aren't you going to commit that terrain?
20110212 19:25:29< zookeeper> Espreon, going to, yes
20110212 19:25:40< zookeeper> but if you want to do it i won't object :P
20110212 19:26:05< Espreon> Of course.
20110212 19:26:07< zookeeper> the WML was inefficient though; i think he used one OVERLAYSOMETHING call for each variation whereas the macros could handle it automatically
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20110212 19:30:05< Espreon> zookeeper: I'll also move the ruined desert castle to core.
20110212 19:31:35< zookeeper> hmh, sure, i guess the reason they aren't in core yet was the missing ruined keeps?
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20110212 19:32:33< Espreon> zookeeper: I'm not sure. Maybe this had something to do with it: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=462565#p462565
20110212 19:33:44< zookeeper> yeah, that's right
20110212 19:35:03< Espreon> Well, ravaged or decayed, they're still ruined.
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20110212 19:36:49< zookeeper> i think you can just leave {OVERLAY_RANDOM Cdr embellishments/stones-small} in UtBS and remove the rest and then nothing breaks
20110212 19:36:53< CIA-63> fendrin * r48493 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/image_message/ (image_message.cpp image_message.hpp): striped the wml_message down to the basic image_message class
20110212 19:37:20< Espreon> zookeeper: All right.
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20110212 20:42:02< GNUtoo|laptop> hi, I just wanted to say that I tried the up,down,left,right buttons on my nokia n900 and it works like on pandora, even faster it seems
20110212 20:42:07< GNUtoo|laptop> Ivanovic, ^^^
20110212 20:45:20< mordante> nice to hear GNUtoo|laptop 
20110212 20:47:15< mordante> Espreon just added .tex and .sty files to my svn config to give them native-eol's ;-)
20110212 20:59:48< CIA-63> fendrin * r48494 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/image_message/ (input_message.cpp input_message.hpp): Splitting the text_input message in another class.
20110212 21:00:08< Espreon> mordante: Excellent.
20110212 21:05:57< Espreon> zookeeper: Where were you going to put the images? In the regular sand castle's directory?
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20110212 21:14:49< zookeeper> Espreon, yeah, i guess. requires renaming the images though.
20110212 21:15:11< zookeeper> if you don't fancy doing that then i don't mind them being in their own directory
20110212 21:15:37< Espreon> Nah, I'm fine with renaming them.
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20110212 21:22:21< Ivanovic> GNUtoo|laptop: so they are mapped to the normal arrow keys
20110212 21:22:29< Ivanovic> (since that is what the dpad is mapped to)
20110212 21:22:37< GNUtoo|laptop> Ivanovic, yes
20110212 21:22:43< GNUtoo|laptop> basically there are multiple variants
20110212 21:22:56< GNUtoo|laptop> I hate the italian keyboard variant
20110212 21:23:01< GNUtoo|laptop> so I keeped the US one
20110212 21:23:03< GNUtoo|laptop> and learned it
20110212 21:23:10< Ivanovic> :)
20110212 21:23:23< GNUtoo|laptop> the italian one need a function key to have up and down
20110212 21:23:33< GNUtoo|laptop> even in maemo that doesn't work well in games
20110212 21:23:43< GNUtoo|laptop> it doesn't get recognized everywhere
20110212 21:23:44< GNUtoo|laptop> ...
20110212 21:23:49< GNUtoo|laptop> so I keep using the US one
20110212 21:24:22< Ivanovic> for the pandora there is basically just the us layout and thats it
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20110212 21:25:40< Ivanovic> and since it is identical with a german (normal) layout besides z and y being switched, this ain't no prob for me
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20110212 21:26:39< fendrin> mordante: Is it possible to spread the cfg for the classes over several files as well?
20110212 21:28:34< mordante> fendrin, spread in what way?
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20110212 21:29:14< fendrin> mordante: To have a .cfg file for every class type without repeating the wml code.
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20110212 21:33:36< mordante> fendrin, you can use macros, macros that are used in several classes should be stored in data/gui/default/macros
20110212 21:33:55< mordante> that directory is parsed before the rest of the files
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20110212 21:36:34< fendrin> mordante: Okay, I think I have a plan how to do it.
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20110212 21:47:57< CIA-63> fendrin * r48495 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/image_message/ (input_message.cpp input_message.hpp): Stripped the input_message.
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20110212 22:15:40< CIA-63> espreon * r48496 /trunk/data/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Moved the ruined desert castle to core.
20110212 22:19:21< Espreon> Wow, fendrin's commit conflicted with the local deletion of a directory in UtBS. SVN is great, isn't it?
20110212 22:19:58< CIA-63> espreon * r48497 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/images/terrain/sand-ruin/: Removed an empty directory.
20110212 22:22:12< eoc|afk> especially the fact that it tracks empty dirs at all leads to severe confusion sometimes
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20110212 22:37:42< CIA-63> mordante * r48499 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (window.cpp window.hpp): 
20110212 22:37:42< CIA-63> Remove the old tip code from the window.
20110212 22:37:42< CIA-63> Removes both the tooltip and the helptip. The former still works, the
20110212 22:37:42< CIA-63> latter never did, but will be fixed later.
20110212 22:37:56< CIA-63> mordante * r48501 /trunk/ (14 files in 5 dirs): Implement the helptips.
20110212 22:37:57< CIA-63> mordante * r48500 /trunk/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Remove the now unused tooltip widget.
20110212 22:38:03< CIA-63> mordante * r48498 /trunk/src/gui/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Also use events to remove tooltips.
20110212 22:38:04< CIA-63> mordante * r48502 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/event/ (distributor.cpp distributor.hpp): 
20110212 22:38:04< CIA-63> Remove old tip skeleton code.
20110212 22:38:04< CIA-63> The code is obsolete by the recent tooltip and helptip changes.
20110212 22:41:48< CIA-63> fendrin * r48503 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/image_message.cfg: Config file for the image message dialog.
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20110212 22:48:09< mordante> I'm off night
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20110212 22:51:16< Espreon> zookeeper: Shall we keep the rock/sand overlays he provided?
20110212 23:13:04< timotei> night guys
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20110212 23:21:09< shadowmaster> wesnoth: src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp:393: void gui2::tgui_definition::load_widget_definitions(const std::string&, const std::vector<boost::intrusive_ptr<gui2::tcontrol_definition> >&): Assertion `control_definition[definition_type].find(def->id) == control_definition[definition_type].end()' failed.
20110212 23:22:27< shadowmaster> too bad people always leave before checking whether they've broken runk or not.
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20110212 23:27:22< shadowmaster> fendrin: ^
20110212 23:27:40< shadowmaster> and yes, reverting HEAD allows wesnoth to start correctly again
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20110212 23:31:00< YogiHH> hello everyone
20110212 23:31:09< Sirp> hi YogiHH 
20110212 23:32:18< fendrin> hi YogiHH
20110212 23:32:34< fendrin> shadowmaster: give me a second.
20110212 23:33:03< YogiHH> Does anyone know the equivalent of:config cfg;     const config::child_list list(cfg.get_children("random"))";
20110212 23:33:09< YogiHH> ?
20110212 23:33:28< YogiHH> this used to work but doesn't nowadays
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20110212 23:35:29< CIA-63> fendrin * r48504 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/image_message.cfg: Resolved naming conflict.
20110212 23:35:41< fendrin> shadowmaster: ^Does that solve your problem?
20110212 23:36:45< shadowmaster> 4yes
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20110212 23:37:28< shadowmaster> ... bringing up the recruit dialog crashes he game, though
20110212 23:38:05< fendrin> shadowmaster: What campaign?
20110212 23:38:31< shadowmaster> HttT
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20110212 23:39:35< fendrin> shadowmaster: Do you get an error?
20110212 23:39:48< shadowmaster> no, only SIGSEGV
20110212 23:40:06< shadowmaster> it works with the test scenario though (and on that note: what the fuck have you done to the recruit dialog design?)
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20110212 23:41:13< fendrin> shadowmaster: nice, isn't it?
20110212 23:41:34< shadowmaster> no
20110212 23:41:39< shadowmaster> it's horrible
20110212 23:42:06< shadowmaster> and I hope it becomes a normal modal dialog again before we hit 1.10
20110212 23:42:48< fendrin> What is wrong with it?
20110212 23:43:48< shadowmaster> 1) it's transparent. Transparency was supposed to be used only on dialogs that do not have any input controls (command buttons, scrolling lists, etc.).
20110212 23:44:29< shadowmaster> 2) it looks too similar to the character message dialog. There's a reason I didn't just reuse that dialog when rewriting the [object] handler to use GUI2 code paths.
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20110212 23:45:35< shadowmaster> 3) it doesn't make sense to steal valuable display space just to display a useless generic portrait in a dialog that will be one of the heavy attention spots for the user (since recruit is a common action, etc.)
20110212 23:46:30< shadowmaster> 4) while using the gamemap sidebar to display unit type information seems like a cool idea, it is mainly distracting because it's too far from the left end of the scrollable list, and uses a different visual style altogether.
20110212 23:47:46< shadowmaster> 5) (4) becomes even more problematic on wider resolutions than mine (1280x800), and this kind of pop-up dialog shouldn't occupy the entire screen (well, near 95% of it) in any case.
20110212 23:48:58< shadowmaster> 6) assuming (5) was somehow "wanted", the gap at the top of the dialog 8inherited from the character message dialog's design, as I can see) is distracting
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20110212 23:49:19< shadowmaster> (the analogous bottom gap which I removed in 1.9.x was also considered distracting)
20110212 23:49:45< fendrin> 1) Has never been respected by the wml_message dialog. It does display the input driven messages transparent as well. But I can change that now I am at it.
20110212 23:50:06< shadowmaster> because the character message dialogs are a special case of their own
20110212 23:50:32< shadowmaster> they are not consistent with the rest of the user inteeface on purpose
20110212 23:50:43< fendrin> 3) Seemed a good idea to me. Many units never got anything to say their images are never seen.
20110212 23:51:15< fendrin> So you can at least see them when recruiting or recalling.
20110212 23:51:34< shadowmaster> 7) the End Turn button is still visible but it doesn't listen for events.
20110212 23:52:26< fendrin> 7) is the default
20110212 23:52:44< fendrin> That has not changed.
20110212 23:52:49< shadowmaster> I know.
20110212 23:53:08< shadowmaster> yet you are using the sidebar element to present information to the user that should be in the actual dialog surface
20110212 23:54:22< shadowmaster> since the sidebar element gets updated by the dialog, one would reasonably expect other parts of the same element to be functional, from a user's standpoint
20110212 23:54:56< fendrin> I see.
20110212 23:55:18< fendrin> The user could suspect that the end turn button does work because the sidebar get's updated.
20110212 23:55:44< fendrin> Well, I only need a new .cfg for the dialogue to make it unique again.
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