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20110213 00:08:51< fendrin> shadowmaster: Hmmm, I can't reproduce the segfault.
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20110213 08:44:13< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48505 /branches/1.8/src/game_preferences.cpp: Remove useless debug output introduced in r42226 "add a preference for the new lobby (default to off), and a checkbox for setting it in the preferences dialog"
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20110213 08:48:08< mordante> servus
20110213 08:49:50< mordante> shadowm_laptop, "too bad people always leave before checking whether they've broken runk or not." do you mean I broke it?
20110213 08:49:59< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48506 /branches/1.8/copyright: New year copyright notice update
20110213 08:50:14< shadowmaster> mordante: no, my bad
20110213 08:50:19< shadowmaster> it was fendrin
20110213 08:50:38< mordante> ah ok
20110213 08:53:25< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48507 /branches/1.8/README: 
20110213 08:53:25< CIA-63> get the README in sync with the current status (manual, no more freshmeat, forums "stats")
20110213 08:53:25< CIA-63> (Backported from trunk, r48287.)
20110213 08:53:40< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48508 /branches/1.8/README: 
20110213 08:53:40< CIA-63> mention the RSS feed for the frontpage
20110213 08:53:40< CIA-63> (Backported from trunk, r48296.)
20110213 08:56:35< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48509 /trunk/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: New year copyright notice update
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20110213 10:07:58< mordante> shadowmaster, just curious but where did you manage to find the the wheel doesn't follow the mouse focus?
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20110213 10:11:37< nital> UMC shouldn't be able to segfault wesnoth, right?
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20110213 10:13:04< mordante> nital, you're right
20110213 10:13:47< nital> well then... I just started creating a little era, and it's crashing the trunk when I try to recruit
20110213 10:13:57< nital> what should I include in the bug report?
20110213 10:14:25< nital> the whole add-on?
20110213 10:14:48< nital> (probably it's just my lousy WML skills, but nevertheless ;-) )
20110213 10:15:20< mordante> is the addon on the UMC server?
20110213 10:16:23< mordante> in general we need all information to reproduce the bug, especially if the UMC does something special
20110213 10:17:06< nital> nope, I just started doing it and learning WML simultanously
20110213 10:17:10< mordante> but shadowmaster also reported the same issue with HttT
20110213 10:17:14< nital> I don't plan on releasing it anytime soon ;-)
20110213 10:17:34< mordante> so I guess it may not be specific to your code
20110213 10:18:03< nital> could you give the link to the bug?
20110213 10:18:10< nital> maybe I'll just comment on it then
20110213 10:18:26< mordante> he didn't report it but left a message in the log
20110213 10:18:37< mordante> http://wesnoth.debian.net/%23wesnoth-dev-2011-02-12.log starting at 23:37
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20110213 10:54:53< CIA-63> mordante * r48510 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20110213 10:54:53< CIA-63> Changed the gui2 scroll wheel focus.
20110213 10:54:53< CIA-63> The focus now follows the mouse pointer instead of the keyboard focus as
20110213 10:54:53< CIA-63> discussed on the dev-ml [1].
20110213 10:54:53< CIA-63> [1] https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2010-04/msg00049.html
20110213 10:55:33< mordante> shadowmaster, ^
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20110213 11:37:29< Ivanovic> moin
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20110213 11:38:41< Ivanovic> deekay, grzywacz: so where is this tournament game you talked about at fosdem?
20110213 11:38:49< Ivanovic> that is: what is the games name on the 1.8.x server?
20110213 11:39:04< deekay> In about 20-30 min will start
20110213 11:39:15< deekay> It should have "TGT" in name
20110213 11:40:03< Ivanovic> mkay
20110213 11:41:04< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110213 11:49:01< mordante> boucman, regarding darktable, I've no objection against your GSoC proposal
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20110213 11:49:55< boucman> great, we're building a proposal right now, we'll probably ask you guys to have a look once it's more fleshed out
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20110213 11:50:26< mordante> ok
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20110213 11:53:42< Iskander> Hello guys
20110213 11:53:50< Iskander> I want ask: Global variable in or global campaign server (i mean persist_context.cpp, persist_manager.cpp, persist_var.cpp) This project is finished?
20110213 11:55:26< mordante> Upthorn, ^
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20110213 11:58:31< Iskander> What can i do to start work with it?
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20110213 11:58:56< Iskander> Maybe reading? some documentation or speak with developer?
20110213 11:59:28< mordante> Iskander, that's why I pointed Upthorn at your question ;-)
20110213 12:00:15< Iskander> Sory, i think it is a word:) My english is not very well
20110213 12:03:33< loonycyborg> Your english really need some vivifying euthanasia :P
20110213 12:04:17< grzywacz> Ivanovic, we've started :)
20110213 12:05:47< Ivanovic> 1.8 lobby?
20110213 12:05:50< mordante> grzywacz, good
20110213 12:06:29< mordante> Ivanovic, yes
20110213 12:07:34< Ivanovic> okay, i should not have been using the new lobby
20110213 12:08:07< Ivanovic> somehow filtering for TGT did not show me your game and scrolling down the userlist till i reached grzywacz was not possible
20110213 12:08:38< mordante> well I hope to be able to fix the lobby in the near future :-)
20110213 12:08:47< Ivanovic> :)
20110213 12:10:30< Ivanovic> hmm, strange, as observer i currently don't see the clock ticking down
20110213 12:10:33< Ivanovic> is this intentional?
20110213 12:10:40< Ivanovic> (since IIRC those are timed games, right?)
20110213 12:11:20< zaroth> well, I don't remember ever seeing clock ticking for anybody else than me
20110213 12:11:37< zaroth> it would be nice to see how much time your opponent has left
20110213 12:11:47< mordante> for me the clock is stuck at 5 minutes
20110213 12:12:16< mordante> btw I also look at two Deekay's... wonder who's deekay and who's grzywacz 
20110213 12:13:15< Ivanovic> okay, the clock stuff is stuck at 5min all the time for me, too
20110213 12:13:29< mordante> neki and dauntless are two players
20110213 12:13:31< Ivanovic> would be really nice if it was ticking down for observers (and different players), too
20110213 12:14:07< Ivanovic> i think deekay is blue and grzywacz is green
20110213 12:14:58< mordante> the other way around if I look at 'Spielübersicht'
20110213 12:15:43< Ivanovic> oh, right
20110213 12:16:15< Ivanovic> but yeah, both are named deekay here, too
20110213 12:17:35< zaroth> Ivanovic: the status table says totally opposite for me :-)
20110213 12:17:51< Ivanovic> zaroth: yeah, mordante already said so
20110213 12:18:32< zaroth> oh, spielübersicht is status table in german :-)
20110213 12:18:41< Ivanovic> yeah
20110213 12:19:35< mordante> yeah forgot the English name, but was sure Ivanovic understood the German term ;-)
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20110213 12:33:01< zaroth> more weird things about this game: in the lobby I see time settings as 300/300 0, but as observer I see 6:00 next to the hourglass ;-)
20110213 12:33:39< mordante> I also see 06:00 in game now..
20110213 12:35:51< deekay> 300/360
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20110213 13:02:50< YogiHH> hello
20110213 13:03:18< YogiHH> mordante, which one is the recommended boost version we are using atm?
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20110213 13:04:20< mordante> YogiHH, not sure I use what Debian ships, but we require at least 1.34 (or 1.35 not sure)
20110213 13:04:36< mordante> YogiHH, you have a problem with boost?
20110213 13:05:19< YogiHH> mordante: i am using 1.37 and it constantly throws "unknown compiler version"-warnings at me since i switched to vc++ 2010 and there seems to be some version checking code in boost
20110213 13:05:23< Ivanovic> YogiHH: the version is for you to pick, as long as it is >1.34
20110213 13:05:35< YogiHH> mordante: it's not preventing the build but it's a little annoying
20110213 13:06:20< YogiHH> Ivanovic: btw, who else is coding on windows atm?
20110213 13:06:26< Ivanovic> YogiHH: you can just switch to the latest boost version if you'd like to
20110213 13:06:33< Ivanovic> YogiHH: i think crab_ is using windows, too
20110213 13:06:42< mordante> YogiHH, was 1.37 released before or after msvc 10
20110213 13:06:58 * YogiHH shrugs
20110213 13:07:22< mordante> but you can switch to newer version just make sure not to use libraries not in 1.34
20110213 13:08:10< YogiHH> mordante: i only use iostreams, zlib and regex, i am not even building the other ones
20110213 13:12:51< loonycyborg> boost is checking for compiler version because it has a set of broken compiler workarounds, so naturally compiler version is important here.
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20110213 13:18:53< Ivanovic> mordante: do you know if we really still need to have 800x480 disabled by a startup switch and only active when explicitly set?
20110213 13:19:09< Ivanovic> would it not make sense to always have 800x480 support active as lowes res allowed?
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20110213 13:19:31< Ivanovic> or are there still some cases in the GUI code left where some "do it differently" has to be hardcoded?
20110213 13:19:42< Ivanovic> (the main problem before was the logo on the main page)
20110213 13:20:59< mordante> Ivanovic, grepping through the source for game_config::small_gui still has some hits
20110213 13:21:15< mordante> so I guess we can't just enable it until these cases are reviewed
20110213 13:21:34< Ivanovic> mordante: are you sure that those cases are anything besides "set the ingame define"?
20110213 13:21:48< Ivanovic> yeah, that was done at >1 place for tinygui
20110213 13:22:35< mordante> Ivanovic, no never really looked a lot at small gui
20110213 13:23:17< mordante> 1.8 is really stable *cough*
20110213 13:23:41< Ivanovic> mordante: i know that when i added smallgui it was *only* to change the logo placement
20110213 13:23:51< Ivanovic> nothing else was really required, the rest was done via theme code
20110213 13:25:11< mordante> there are some cases in actions.cpp, and I also didn't add them
20110213 13:26:17< mordante> sorry I mean dialogs.cpp
20110213 13:26:47< mordante> looks like alink did it
20110213 13:35:25< CIA-63> ivanovic * r48511 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog): 
20110213 13:35:25< CIA-63> added removal of tinygui to the changelogs and release_notes
20110213 13:35:25< CIA-63> yes, i added it to "misc" because this is not a plain change in the "normal" userinterface but a "depends on binary" thingie
20110213 13:44:06 * mordante loves it when watching a game, becomes debugging Wesnoth :-/
20110213 13:45:16< Ivanovic> ain't this the normal way of things?
20110213 13:45:29< Ivanovic> remember the old days with our dev games?
20110213 13:45:52< mordante> yeah but we're still stuck with it ;-)
20110213 13:46:22< mordante> I wanted to tell K something there will be another stable release... but autocompletion kills the game
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20110213 13:55:48< Ivanovic> mordante: it might be a good idea if you looked into preferences.cpp line 194 if this is still valid and a good idea
20110213 13:56:39< Ivanovic> mordante: and the only case where small_gui does something differently (which i don't understand yet) is those three entries in dialogs.cpp
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20110213 13:58:38< Ivanovic> hmm, does anyone else agree with me that the load game dialog does currently suck in trunk?
20110213 13:58:39< mordante> Ivanovic, the 240 makes no longer sense with tinygui removed
20110213 13:58:48< Ivanovic> in normal res this strange button stacking sucks
20110213 13:58:58< Ivanovic> layout there is utterly crazy!
20110213 13:59:58< mordante> Ivanovic, what changed with before?
20110213 14:00:00< Ivanovic> normal size: http://imagebin.org/137681
20110213 14:00:16< Ivanovic> have a look at the button placement with "delete save" and the two checkboxes
20110213 14:00:27< Ivanovic> this is just, *ugh*
20110213 14:02:10< Ivanovic> this is the smallgui version: http://imagebin.org/137683
20110213 14:02:25< Ivanovic> IMO this looks better and i'd prefer having this one used for "large", too!
20110213 14:04:05< Ivanovic> okay, there is still some #ifdef SMALL_GUI left in game_config.cfg
20110213 14:04:22< Ivanovic> mordante: can this already be done automatically via the resolution?
20110213 14:04:38< Ivanovic> line 28 to 46 in data/games_config.cfg
20110213 14:06:34< Ivanovic> so besides the load dialog (which really sucks atm!) the difference with smallgui is only the main menu layout stuff
20110213 14:07:05< Ivanovic> esr: were you not into interface design once?
20110213 14:07:25< Ivanovic> as in: could you maybe have a look at the current load game dialog in trunk and find a way to have it look *nicely*?
20110213 14:07:51< Ivanovic> currently there are two possible ways in the code for it to look like, one is the "normal" way, one using --smallgui as startup param
20110213 14:07:55< Ivanovic> [14:00:00] <Ivanovic> normal size: http://imagebin.org/137681
20110213 14:07:58< Ivanovic> [14:02:10] <Ivanovic> this is the smallgui version: http://imagebin.org/137683
20110213 14:08:20< Ivanovic> IMO the smallgui version is better, but still not "perfect" for the loadgame dialog button/checkbox placing
20110213 14:11:49< mordante> Ivanovic, esr wanted some tree view widgets which are not really ready yet
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20110213 14:12:04< Ivanovic> mordante: ah, okay
20110213 14:13:26< mordante> not sure whether and where the stuff from game_config.cfg is used
20110213 14:13:54< Ivanovic> main menu at least
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20110213 14:14:22< mordante> main menu?
20110213 14:14:29< Ivanovic> those "tip_*" entries and logo_* ones at least
20110213 14:14:48< Ivanovic> and i think that "buttons_*" are main menu only, too
20110213 14:16:35< mordante> are you talking about the main screen when you start the game?
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20110213 14:19:45< anonymissimus> fendrin: ping
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20110213 14:20:53< Ivanovic> mordante: exactly this screen
20110213 14:21:04< Ivanovic> mordante: i think that is the only place where those settings are used
20110213 14:21:28< mordante> Ivanovic, it has been converted to gui2 which doesn't use those setting
20110213 14:21:31< mordante> settings*
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20110213 14:22:42< Ivanovic> then this part can be removed from the cfg file and the readout of those can be removed from game_config.?pp
20110213 14:23:12< shadowmaster> 06:07:58 <mordante> shadowmaster, just curious but where did you manage to find the the wheel doesn't follow the mouse focus?
20110213 14:23:20< shadowmaster> I don't rememeber.
20110213 14:23:37< shadowmaster> (I don't even remember reporting that.)
20110213 14:23:46< mordante> shadowmaster, you did :-P
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20110213 14:24:11< mordante> and I had to find hard to find one occurrence in depths of gui2
20110213 14:25:06< timotei> thanks god the vmware tools are in ubuntu's repos
20110213 14:25:40< mordante> Ivanovic, compile testing your thesis
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20110213 14:27:24< Ivanovic> mordante: looking forward to the results!
20110213 14:27:54< Ivanovic> mordante: IMO it would make sense to allow 800x480 support "by default" unlesss there are some significant differences, that i somehow missed
20110213 14:27:55< shadowmaster> btw, the crash I reported with the recruit dialog in HttT appears to be random
20110213 14:28:17< mordante> shadowmaster, there is also a real bug report about the issue
20110213 14:28:19< Ivanovic> that is the only place where i saw the SMALL_GUI define used is in this very file
20110213 14:28:27< Ivanovic> (config file)
20110213 14:28:27< shadowmaster> okay
20110213 14:29:00< shadowmaster> mordante: wait, you mean the focus issue, or the random recruit dialog crash? :)
20110213 14:29:19< Ivanovic> the rest is basically (in src files): allow the game param, have the define for wml set and have the load game dialog differ
20110213 14:29:20< mordante> shadowmaster, the crash, the focus has been changed
20110213 14:29:54< Ivanovic> and regarding the latter i'd say that we should (for the moment) go with the smallgui version since it looks cleaner
20110213 14:30:26< mordante> Ivanovic, compiles with the stuff removed, committed in git so expect it later today
20110213 14:30:51< Ivanovic> mordante: then also remove those lines from the cfg file
20110213 14:30:54< Ivanovic> ;)
20110213 14:31:06< mordante> Ivanovic, already done in the same commit ;-)
20110213 14:31:50< mordante> the only thing which is untested is how well gui2 handles the switching between smallgui size to larger sizes
20110213 14:32:00< mordante> also on my (long) todo list
20110213 14:32:25< mordante> but I'd say go for 480 now and see how it works out, if it fails we can make 600 the minimum again
20110213 14:32:40< Ivanovic> yeah
20110213 14:32:42< mordante> btw did you remove the 240 from preferences or should I?
20110213 14:32:47< Ivanovic> no, please do so
20110213 14:32:58< Ivanovic> we can go "all for 480" there
20110213 14:33:12< Ivanovic> (since that is a place where the smallgui part plays in, too)
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20110213 14:43:07< mordante> cleaned the perferences.cpp
20110213 14:44:23< Ivanovic> cool!
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20110213 15:04:25< anonymissimus> fendrin: i was wondering whats up until realizing that the files in gui/dialogs/image_message aren't supposed to be compiled now...
20110213 15:08:04< shadowmaster> fendrin: I've got a backtrace of the recruit di alog crash
20110213 15:09:23< shadowmaster>  http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/YpxxNZEh
20110213 15:09:45< shadowmaster> simply started a local MP game on Hamlets with 2 players using Default to test
20110213 15:13:07< shadowmaster> I'll leave my gdb session lying around in case you need it
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20110213 15:51:40< mordante> wesbot, seen silene
20110213 15:51:41< wesbot> mordante: Sorry, I don't know of silene.
20110213 15:51:53< Ivanovic> mordante: silene was not in irc for quite a while
20110213 15:52:25< loonycyborg> He's hiding from us!
20110213 15:52:26< timotei> lol
20110213 15:52:26< mordante> did he state whether he would be on IRC again or not?
20110213 15:52:48< shadowmaster> no
20110213 15:52:48< timotei> wait a sec. why it doesn't recognize silene anymore? :O
20110213 15:52:49< Ivanovic> no idea
20110213 15:53:01< Ivanovic> timotei: the bot only remembers for a certain time
20110213 15:53:02< timotei> there is a conspiracy
20110213 15:53:05< shadowmaster> I think he just doesn't want to talk with us ;)
20110213 15:53:07< timotei> Ivanovic: oh.
20110213 15:53:22< shadowmaster> he's been committing stuff but he's not appeared here since around the middle of December
20110213 15:53:23< mordante> shadowmaster, great :-( 
20110213 15:53:38< timotei> iirc, since the last time he reverted one of mordante's commits
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20110213 15:56:14< mordante> yeah and I have a question about one of this reverts since the message was rather confusing
20110213 15:56:32< mordante> guess will mail to the dev list in the hope he reads that
20110213 15:56:51< timotei> xD
20110213 15:57:04< loonycyborg> E-Mail ftw!
20110213 15:57:15< shadowmaster> mordante: forum PM? he continues to visit the forum and take ideas from there
20110213 15:58:11< mordante> shadowmaster, I hate forums
20110213 15:58:20< shadowmaster> oh lol, another one 
20110213 15:58:35< timotei> =))
20110213 15:58:45 * shadowmaster feels hated too!
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20110213 15:58:50< mordante> there is no sane way to have threading
20110213 15:59:15< shadowmaster> threaded forums exist.
20110213 15:59:27< shadowmaster> it's just that phpBB is a case of a "flat" forum board system
20110213 15:59:54< Gambit> phpBB has threads :D
20110213 15:59:58< Gambit> (terribly obvious pun)
20110213 16:00:18< shadowmaster> Gambit: a hack, really
20110213 16:00:28< shadowmaster> the correct terminology is "topic"
20110213 16:00:41< shadowmaster> and in fact, the SQL  table name is "*topic"
20110213 16:00:49< shadowmaster> er, "*topics"
20110213 16:01:44< Gambit> I guess that's why it's not viewthread.php
20110213 16:02:03< mordante> Gambit, I like threads as in email or newsgroup threads (at least when the posters follow up properly)
20110213 16:02:09 * Gambit honestly didn't realize there was a difference in forum lingo.
20110213 16:02:33< shadowmaster> I really prefer phpBB's flatness
20110213 16:02:41< timotei> shadowmaster: me too 
20110213 16:02:47< shadowmaster> if there were real threads like in the dev ML I'd have a hard time following discussionns
20110213 16:02:55< timotei> but it's right that a threaded mailing list is awesome too
20110213 16:02:56< Gambit> Hmmm so in a threaded forum you reply to people, and then reply to replys and start a little forkish thing?
20110213 16:03:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: same. That'd be terrible.
20110213 16:03:21< Gambit> ohhai blog comments
20110213 16:03:23< timotei> Gambit: you have to have dual processor !
20110213 16:03:30< Gambit> timotei: hush :P
20110213 16:03:35< timotei> reallt.
20110213 16:03:36< timotei> really*
20110213 16:03:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: the blog software I use has threadedd comments, yes
20110213 16:07:05< mordante> shadowmaster, for me it's the other way around; I have a hard time following the flat forum
20110213 16:09:09< mordante> fendrin, soon you can customize the tooltips in Wesnoth per window, maybe something you can use in your recruit dialog?
20110213 16:14:53< Ivanovic> uhm, something appears to be broken in trunk atm: http://pastebin.com/NdKunP3c
20110213 16:15:06< Ivanovic> getting this error right when the game view in two brothers is available
20110213 16:15:17< Ivanovic> and i am 100% sure that two brothers itself is not directly using lua
20110213 16:16:32< Ivanovic> probably related to fendrin's recruit list changes
20110213 16:16:43< Ivanovic> though IMO the new recruit dialog looks really nice
20110213 16:17:16< shadowmaster> I am disappoint.
20110213 16:18:21< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/ggSU3u0w
20110213 16:18:55< timotei> lol
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20110213 16:26:16< Ivanovic> fendrin: but you *HAVE* to fix one thing with the new dialog
20110213 16:26:27< Ivanovic> it does eg break 800x480
20110213 16:26:51< Ivanovic> start wesnoth with this commandline: ./wesnoth --smallgui -r 800x480
20110213 16:27:00< Ivanovic> then start trow and try to recruit
20110213 16:27:08< shadowmaster> two users who I shall not name agree that the new recruit dialog isn't very pretty
20110213 16:27:21< Ivanovic>   /src/wesnoth/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp:923 in function 'layout' found the following problem: Failed to size window; wanted size 722,462 available size 658,450 screen size 800,480.
20110213 16:27:42< Ivanovic> since the vertical value is too small, too, it means that 800x600 is likely broken, too
20110213 16:27:44< shadowmaster> they are MP people, who are IMHO the most valuable source of commentary for this kind of UI changes
20110213 16:28:23< shadowmaster> one also finds the gold icons distracting
20110213 16:29:27< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: IMO the dialog is a lot better than the existing one, though a whole lot of stuff can still be improved
20110213 16:29:37< loonycyborg> The new recruit dialog is so wide, you'd need a mouse with jet engine :P
20110213 16:29:38< Ivanovic> most of the points in your pastebin are valid, that is right
20110213 16:29:45< shadowmaster> IMO it is a regression.
20110213 16:29:47< Gambit> You definitely need to gray everything else out. It's not as obvious right now that the recruit window is on top.
20110213 16:29:49< shadowmaster> in the usability department.
20110213 16:29:50< Ivanovic> but IMO the old one is not better
20110213 16:30:02< shadowmaster> and I think you need to reconsider further regressions in the usability dept. after the newlobby mess
20110213 16:30:06< Ivanovic> Gambit: yeah, greying stuff out is a possible solution
20110213 16:30:15< Gambit> And the buttons should be at the top or something.
20110213 16:30:22< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: following your point we should not change anything ever
20110213 16:30:25< shadowmaster> luckily you have the rest of the year to reconsider
20110213 16:30:27< Gambit> The old recruit dialog had the buttons over the map.
20110213 16:30:32< Gambit> Near where you were recruiting,
20110213 16:30:35< Gambit> Less mouse movement.
20110213 16:30:54< mordante> shadowmaster, the new lobby was mainly an engine problem
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20110213 16:31:32< Ivanovic> Gambit: the old dialog was this: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/doc/manual/images/recruit-1.9.4.jpg
20110213 16:31:38< Ivanovic> right on top of the current game screen
20110213 16:32:15< mordante> IIRC fendrin already said he wanted to improve the showing of the stats in the dialog
20110213 16:33:06< Ivanovic> and this is the new one: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=137705
20110213 16:33:35< Ivanovic> yes, the gold coin images don't look good, i agree with this
20110213 16:34:00< mordante> anyway afk now
20110213 16:34:04< Gambit> Ivanovic: But wasn't that centered in the screen?
20110213 16:34:15< Ivanovic> and those things, taht are not usable (like eg the quit turn button) should be greyed out
20110213 16:34:21< Ivanovic> Gambit: yeah, it was in the center of the screen
20110213 16:34:32< Ivanovic> now the whole dialog starts at the buttom, and?
20110213 16:34:46< Ivanovic> this does not change the distance you have to move the mouse, at least not by much
20110213 16:35:23< Gambit> Well that depends on your resolution.
20110213 16:35:43< Ivanovic> sure, in 2560x1600 things will significantly differ
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20110213 16:41:55< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48512 /branches/1.8/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: 
20110213 16:41:55< CIA-63> New year copyright notice update
20110213 16:41:55< CIA-63> (Backported from trunk, r48509.)
20110213 16:42:30< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48513 /branches/1.8/data/tools/helptrailer.html: 
20110213 16:42:30< CIA-63> New year copyright notice update
20110213 16:42:30< CIA-63> (Backported from trunk, r48334.)
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20110213 16:45:56< fendrin> hi Ivanovic shadowmaster mordante
20110213 16:45:59< fendrin> and Gambit
20110213 16:46:06< shadowmaster> hi hi hi
20110213 16:46:11< Gambit> Hey fendrin
20110213 16:46:21< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48514 /trunk/players_changelog: FORMAT DAMMIT
20110213 16:47:55< CIA-63> shadowmaster * r48515 /trunk/players_changelog: More format
20110213 16:47:56< fendrin> Ivanovic, shadowmaster, Gambit: Please remember, the gui2 allows to customize the dialog through a wml cfg file. So the look and feel is not hardcoded. It's just currently the way it is because the current message dialog does provide all needed elements.
20110213 16:48:33< fendrin> I would be glad if someone writes an own cfg for the recruit and or recall dialog that polishes it.
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20110213 16:48:57< Ivanovic> fendrin: currently it has to be altered to make smaller resolutions work again
20110213 16:50:01< fendrin> Ivanovic: I see. Is that a problem that only comes with the recruit dialog or does every wml_message with a certain amount of items break it?
20110213 16:50:04< Ivanovic> and i have an idea what the issue with two brothers over here could be: since i already had this campaign finished some time ago, stuff might be in persistent data, which leads to this strange message with lua
20110213 16:50:34< Ivanovic> fendrin: normal dialogs are displayed nicely, just those dialogs are not working
20110213 16:50:45< Ivanovic> but yeah, in general it is possible to break display with "too large dialogs"
20110213 16:50:56< Ivanovic> currently you probably just request too much space as default
20110213 16:51:26< Ivanovic> fendrin: best to test it yourself using at least 800x600, better wesnoth --smallgui -r 800x480
20110213 16:52:00< boucman> daaamnit
20110213 16:52:01< fendrin> Ivanovic: Okay, I am going to fix that soon.
20110213 16:52:05< fendrin> hi boucman
20110213 16:52:05< Ivanovic> eg 1.9.4 was working perfectly in 800x480, have not seen a single report about some error message due to "not enough space available"
20110213 16:52:12< Ivanovic> hi boucman
20110213 16:52:15< boucman> deekay, grzywacz is your game done, or are you still playing
20110213 16:52:21< boucman> hey all :P
20110213 16:52:51< loonycyborg> fendrin: Is that intended that when you open and close help (but not profile) in new recruit dialog, the dialog itself closes too?
20110213 16:53:36< fendrin> loonycyborg: No, for some reason the help dialog is behaving differently when showing a unit than showing a info site.
20110213 16:54:17< loonycyborg> Oh. Just wanted to report that in case you don't already know.
20110213 16:54:36< fendrin> loonycyborg: Thank you, it is on my TODO :-)
20110213 16:54:50< loonycyborg> :)
20110213 16:55:05< eoc> @new recruit; why do the buttons not start at the same indentatin level like "select unit" but way more right than it?
20110213 16:55:15< Ivanovic> boucman: long done
20110213 16:55:21< boucman> :(
20110213 16:55:23< boucman> too bad
20110213 16:55:24< Ivanovic> the finishing move against the two was done by the AI
20110213 16:55:42< Ivanovic> yeah, it was really somehow a lost cause
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20110213 16:56:23< fendrin> eoc: Because I suck at writing wml cfg files for gui dialogs. The c++ is there but there is still a lot of work to do with the layout. 
20110213 16:56:28< grzywacz> boucman, we already lost :)
20110213 16:56:40< boucman> was it a good game ?
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20110213 16:57:08< Ivanovic> it went downhill rather early for grzywacz and deekay and they never managed to get back
20110213 16:57:37< Ivanovic> (not sure exactly where the problem was besides that the drake player was really doing well with village grabbing right from the start)
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20110213 17:12:03< mordante> hi fendrin 
20110213 17:14:43< mordante> boucman, next week another chance
20110213 17:14:53< boucman> ok
20110213 17:15:52< mordante> but at least we had fun with the player names ... grzywacz never showed up :-P
20110213 17:20:52< fendrin> shadowmaster: The backtrace is useful. I think I can get that bug soon.
20110213 17:30:02< mordante> Ivanovic, do you already have plans for a new release?
20110213 17:30:11< Ivanovic> mordante: yes
20110213 17:30:21< Ivanovic> mordante: 1.9.5 will probably be released around the end of the month
20110213 17:30:23< mordante> and when will that be
20110213 17:30:36< Ivanovic> that is what noy told me when the kalifate will find their way into trunk
20110213 17:30:43< mordante> ok
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20110213 18:21:15< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: let me know before the next release so I can update the xcode project before
20110213 18:21:23< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: mkay
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20110213 19:22:21< CIA-63> eleazar * r48516 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): New and improved Tropical villages by Lurker.
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20110213 19:41:30< CIA-63> anonymissimus * r48517 /trunk/projectfiles/ (CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp VC9/wesnoth.vcproj): project files update
20110213 19:41:52< CIA-63> mordante * r48518 /trunk/ (data/game_config.cfg src/game_config.cpp src/game_config.hpp): 
20110213 19:41:52< CIA-63> Remove some dead title screen code.
20110213 19:41:52< CIA-63> Ivanovic spotted it while evaluting the small gui code.
20110213 19:42:01< CIA-63> mordante * r48519 /trunk/src/preferences.cpp: 
20110213 19:42:01< CIA-63> Make the minimum screen size 480x800.
20110213 19:42:01< CIA-63> Removes some only gui2 hacks to allow 320x240 to test gui2 and remove
20110213 19:42:01< CIA-63> the small gui specific code.
20110213 19:42:02< CIA-63> If it doesn't work nicely on 480x800 600x800 will be the minimum again.
20110213 19:42:06< CIA-63> mordante * r48520 /trunk/src/ (wml_exception.cpp wml_exception.hpp): 
20110213 19:42:06< CIA-63> Make brackets to sections preferred.
20110213 19:42:06< CIA-63> Also does:
20110213 19:42:06< CIA-63> - Add brackets to sections when not send.
20110213 19:42:06< CIA-63> - Some code reformatting.
20110213 19:42:07< CIA-63> mordante * r48521 /trunk/src/gui/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Make the tip shown a window configuration.
20110213 19:42:12< CIA-63> mordante * r48522 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/ (39 files): 
20110213 19:42:12< CIA-63> Add tooltips and helptips to all windows.
20110213 19:42:12< CIA-63> All use the basic default now, this will need some window based tuning
20110213 19:42:12< CIA-63> later on.
20110213 19:43:51 * mordante mutters something about a changelog
20110213 19:44:07< eoc> :)
20110213 19:47:36< CIA-63> mordante * r48523 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog): Update changelog regarding new minimum resolution.
20110213 19:47:44< mordante> it's so easy to forget about those ;-)
20110213 19:49:08< Ivanovic> :)
20110213 19:49:34< mordante> and for some reason I most of the time think about it after typing git svn dcommit ...
20110213 19:49:50< mordante> but at least I think about them ;-)
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20110213 20:34:53< YogiHH> hello
20110213 20:35:39< YogiHH> anyone with a working wesnoth 1.9.x has a few minutes to test something?
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20110213 20:38:16< Crendgrim> if I start a game in trunk (Rev 48523) and press Ctrl+R to recruit units, it crashes ("Speicherzugriffsfehler" in german) :/
20110213 20:38:22< ancestral> YogiHH: Sure
20110213 20:39:43< YogiHH> ancestral: Ugh, it seems, that the current bugs prevent that test :/.
20110213 20:39:53< Crendgrim> the same happens when selecting "recruit" from the menu
20110213 20:40:05< ancestral> No worries :)
20110213 20:40:33< YogiHH> mordante: hmm, i am getting a WML exception on startup saying "Widget definition 'tooltip' doesn't contain the definition for 'default' "
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20110213 20:42:38< Crendgrim> in the Tutorial it works
20110213 20:43:03< Crendgrim> but the new recruit dialog isn't as good as the old one :(
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20110213 20:47:19< Crendgrim> ahh.. the info is displayed on the right.. nevermind, it's nice
20110213 20:47:27< Crendgrim> but it doesn't work on Multiplayer.
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20110213 21:06:21< ancestral> Is there a way to redefine game strings in a scenario? For example, instead of having "recruit" I want to call it "train" or instead of gold I want to use "credits."
20110213 21:07:38< shadowmaster> no
20110213 21:08:07< shadowmaster> it'd be highly incompatible with our internationalization mechanisms anyway
20110213 21:09:05< ancestral> Scenario files can have their own translation .po files, right?
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20110213 21:12:31< shadowmaster> yes
20110213 21:12:54< shadowmaster> except that .po catalogues are not handled on a source file basis but on a textdomain basis instead.
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20110213 21:52:40< mordante> YogiHH, did you update both svn and rebuild Wesnoth?
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20110213 21:52:57< YogiHH> mordante: doing that right now
20110213 21:53:47< mordante> YogiHH, ok, I removed the tooltip widget since I replaced it with a new tooltip dialog
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20110213 22:06:28< YogiHH> mordante: ok, works now
20110213 22:06:58< mordante> ok good to know
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20110213 22:22:56< CIA-63> mordante * r48524 /trunk/changelog: Added some bug numbers to the changelog.
20110213 22:23:36< mordante> I'm off night
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20110213 22:27:43< ancestral> I'm having trouble applying a Castle Overlay to a forest in the Map Editor. Is it possible?
20110213 22:28:01< shadowmaster> no
20110213 22:30:53< ancestral> So it only works with flat terrain
20110213 22:32:01< shadowmaster> on any terrain, really. It's just that being an overlay, it will replace other overlays.
20110213 22:32:19< shadowmaster> and forests are implemented as overlays.
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20110213 22:36:59< YogiHH> This turns up when playing the first scenario of UtBS after the necromancer appeared
20110213 22:37:01< YogiHH> 20110213 22:07:23 warning ai/config: side 3: aspect with id=[recruitment_ignore_bad_movements] lacks default config facet!
20110213 22:37:02< YogiHH> 20110213 22:14:08 error ai/engine/cpp: side 3 : UNKNOWN aspect[recruitment_ignore_bad_movements*]
20110213 22:37:04< YogiHH> 20110213 22:26:55 warning engine: cannot show message
20110213 22:37:22< YogiHH> mordante: there still seems to be a problem with showing the message
20110213 22:37:50< YogiHH> crab, deekay: can you make some sense out of that AI error?
20110213 22:38:41< shadowmaster> Espreon: ^
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20110213 23:11:21< Espreon> shadowmaster: Wha? Nothing I can do about it.
20110213 23:11:34< Espreon> ... or at least, I don't know how to properly deal with it.
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20110213 23:13:14< Espreon> Ah...
20110213 23:13:24< Espreon> I misspelled something.
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20110213 23:17:25< CIA-63> espreon * r48525 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/01_The_Morning_After.cfg: Fixed a spelling error in the AI config.
20110213 23:18:05< Espreon> YogiHH: ^
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