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Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110216 08:18:22-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Tue Feb 15 23:59:26 2011] 20110216 08:18:22[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20110216 08:18:22[ ABCD ] [ Espreon ] [ iwaim ] [ shadowmaster] 20110216 08:18:22[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ knotwork ] [ shikadibot ] 20110216 08:18:22[ anomic_event ] [ ettin ] [ koan ] [ Smar ] 20110216 08:18:22[ apoi ] [ fkhodkov ] [ lobby ] [ Tigge ] 20110216 08:18:22[ chris| ] [ fstltna ] [ LordNasty ] [ Upthorn ] 20110216 08:18:22[ CIA-57 ] [ Greywhind] [ nHarzilei ] [ Vorpal ] 20110216 08:18:22[ clanehin ] [ happygrue] [ noy ] [ wesbot ] 20110216 08:18:22[ crimson_penguin] [ Ingmar ] [ Porty_Ninja ] [ yann ] 20110216 08:18:22[ elias ] [ isaac ] [ Rhonda ] 20110216 08:18:22[ eoc` ] [ isionous ] [ rigved ] 20110216 08:18:22[ erl ] [ Ivanovic ] [ shadowm_laptop] 20110216 08:18:22-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 41 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 41 normal] 20110216 08:18:29-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20110216 08:18:30-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 08:19:25-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 70 secs 20110216 08:33:09-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 08:34:16-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 08:34:24-!- Porty_Ninja [~pete@wesnoth/translator/PetePorty] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 08:37:17-!- mordante [~mordante@87.215.201.26] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 08:37:19< mordante> servus 20110216 08:38:07< mordante> I found the cause for Lua crashing on exceptions which are not deriving from std::exception :-) 20110216 08:38:10-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20110216 08:38:16< mordante> will fix it later 20110216 08:41:41< shadowmaster> hi there 20110216 08:46:40< mordante> hi shadowmaster 20110216 09:08:18-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110216 09:17:30< Rhonda> \o/ 20110216 09:17:46< Rhonda> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/2010-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-award-winners-861440/ 20110216 09:17:58< Rhonda> Open Source Game of the Year - Battle for Wesnoth (22.70%) 20110216 09:21:40< mordante> nice :-) 20110216 09:21:43-!- Sirp [~user@195.116.111.253] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 09:22:54-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 09:22:55-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 09:22:55-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 09:27:56< Rhonda> This is even *more* nice to look at: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chds=0,1000&cht=p&chs=650x300&chco=3E5C92,e6e6e6&chtt=Open+Source+Game+of+the+Year%20%28282%20votes%29&chd=t:64,20,9,10,28,14,16,4,12,10,3,23,4,3,7,2,4,7,8,5,1,1,16,3,8&chl=Battle%20for%20Wesnoth%20|Open%20Arena%20|FlightGear%20|Freeciv%20|Frozen%20Bubble%20|GNU%20Chess%20|SuperTux%20|BZFlag%20|NetHack%20|SuperTuxKart%20|Tux%20Racer%20|Nexuiz%20|Tremulous%20|Frets%20 ... 20110216 09:28:02< Rhonda> ... On%20Fire%20|Armagetron%20Advanced%20|World%20of%20Padman%20|LBreakout2%20|TORCS%20|PokerTH%20|UFO:%20Alien%20Invasion%20|Xonotic%20|Angband%20|OpenTTD%20|MegaGlest%20|Neverball 20110216 09:28:06< Rhonda> yuck 20110216 09:28:53< Rhonda> http://frm.li/4Qn1Cx <-- that graphic 20110216 09:31:11< timotei> Desktop Environment of the Year - Gnome (45.06%) 20110216 09:31:12< timotei> lol 20110216 09:31:38-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 09:31:38-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 09:31:38-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 09:32:38< Rhonda> what? 20110216 09:32:58< timotei> I don't like gnome :P 20110216 09:43:03-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 09:47:26-!- Sirp [~user@195.116.111.253] has quit [Quit: ...] 20110216 09:48:31-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 09:52:05< Rhonda> So? 20110216 09:52:30< Rhonda> I don't like your nose, but that's no reason that I LOL at you. 20110216 09:54:37-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:11:01-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.68.22] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:11:01-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.68.22] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 10:11:01-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:11:32-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:22:28-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2d58c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 10:22:28-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:22:51< Ivanovic> moin 20110216 10:23:12< Rhonda> Ivanovic: http://frm.li/4Qn1Cx 20110216 10:24:25-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 10:24:42-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110216 10:25:18< Ivanovic> cool! 20110216 10:35:28-!- timotei21 [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:39:25-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20110216 10:41:05-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 10:47:48-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 11:16:05-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110216 11:18:13< timotei21> hmm. 20110216 11:18:17< timotei21> I found some weird wiki pages 20110216 11:18:21< timotei21> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Great_ok_but_let_him_put_insurance_on_you_first_I_m_already_covered_10734 20110216 11:18:25< timotei21> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/If_you_re_wondering_what_insurance_you_don_t_need_PET_insurance_94991 20110216 11:18:26< timotei21> :| 20110216 11:20:01< Ivanovic> sounds like spam 20110216 11:20:36< timotei21> yeah 20110216 11:21:03< timotei21> should I delete it? 20110216 11:23:09< timotei21> wow 20110216 11:23:12< timotei21> there are plently of them 20110216 11:23:12< timotei21> xD 20110216 11:32:08-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 11:37:29-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 11:43:24< Ivanovic> timotei21: of course you should! 20110216 11:43:27< Ivanovic> what a question... 20110216 11:44:00< timotei21> maybe someone would want to see who did them, so he can ban the user... 20110216 11:44:15< timotei21> like the threads thrown in the junkyard ;) 20110216 11:45:33< timotei21> well... it seems I need to be a sysops to delete the page. I can just edit 20110216 11:48:38-!- GNUtoo|laptop [~gnutoo@95.232.143.186] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 11:58:09< Ivanovic> then at least make a list of those pages somewhere (eg in a pastebin) and give it to some sysop not named 'ivanovic' 20110216 11:58:10< Ivanovic> ;) 20110216 11:58:26< timotei21> ok 20110216 11:59:26-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: FOSDEM2011: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Fosdem2011 | 190 bugs, 309 feature requests, 25 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110216 11:59:41< timotei21> Ivanovic: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/kz10j7RW 20110216 11:59:55< Ivanovic> hey, i said *not* named ivanovic 20110216 11:59:56< Ivanovic> ;) 20110216 12:00:03< timotei21> oh 20110216 12:01:18< timotei21> sorry, didn't pay attention 20110216 12:03:14-!- Crab_ [~Crab@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:06:38< Ivanovic> okay, deleted those pages and blocked the users creating them 20110216 12:06:47< timotei21> ok:) 20110216 12:19:58-!- vcap [~vcap@AReims-551-1-135-30.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:24:16< Crab_> mordante: around ? 20110216 12:26:17-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 12:34:16< mordante> Crab_, I'm now for a short while 20110216 12:35:15< Crab_> I just wanted to show a possible way to reenable twml_exceptions passing through lua - look at how it's done for end_level exceptions - http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/exceptions.cpp?view=markup 20110216 12:35:39< Crab_> basically, lua code calls game::exception::rethrow after the call to lua engine, and 'sticky' exceptions are rethrown 20110216 12:36:01< mordante> Crab_, yeah I've been thinking about the same and wrote some code in the train this morning 20110216 12:36:08< mordante> but haven't tested it yet 20110216 12:36:12< Crab_> so, if we make twml_exception to behave like a 'sticky' exception, we can make lua code rethrow it, too. it will work. 20110216 12:36:54< Crab_> ok, great. 20110216 12:36:59< mordante> and the crash on all other exceptions seems to be a NULL pointer send to strncmp 20110216 12:38:04< mordante> scripting/lua.cpp 437 20110216 12:39:28< Crab_> then it's simple to fix that crash, too 20110216 12:41:33< mordante> yup 20110216 12:41:59< mordante> I only think we should consider what we want with Lua keep it or not 20110216 12:42:49< mordante> I will test my twml_exception fix, which uses a more generic framework as the current sticky exceptions and should allow a payload 20110216 12:43:10< mordante> if that works, it will be easy to throw exceptions through Lua 20110216 12:43:31< Crab_> great. and lua will be able to do its cleanup properly, too. 20110216 12:43:37< mordante> yup 20110216 12:44:30< mordante> however I have to modify lua/luaconf.h again, which means we're stuck with Lua in our tree 20110216 12:44:41< Crab_> why the need to modify it ? 20110216 12:45:02< Crab_> you want to make all exceptions 'behave sticky if through lua' ? 20110216 12:45:53< Crab_> (if yes, then I guess yes, luaconf.h is to be hacked) 20110216 12:47:12< Ivanovic> we *have* lua in our tree, so this changes nothing, right? 20110216 12:47:14< mordante> all exceptions deriving from tlua_jailbreak_exception 20110216 12:47:31< mordante> but first need to see whether my ideas work 20110216 12:47:58< mordante> Ivanovic, yes, but if distros start to ship Lua++ we still be stuck with it 20110216 12:48:47< Ivanovic> *if* 20110216 12:48:53< Ivanovic> this is a *really* huge *if* 20110216 12:49:08< Crab_> Can't it be done without the need to change lua code (e.g., by storing a copy of the exception during the exception's construction, and rethrowing it later) ? 20110216 12:49:57< Crab_> (smart pointer to a copy, that is) 20110216 12:49:58< mordante> Crab_, I could but if somebody creates an exception class without throwing it will still be registered as thrown 20110216 12:50:08< mordante> s/class/object/ 20110216 12:50:39< mordante> I know not very likely, but I like to register an exception once it is really thrown 20110216 12:51:31< Crab_> well, you can make a throw_me() method in the exception which will set the sticky ptr and 'throw *this' after that. 20110216 12:51:49-!- GeorgeSebastian [~georgeSeb@unaffiliated/georgesebastian] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:52:32< mordante> I could, however I like to keep the semantics on the C++ side as expected 20110216 12:52:39< Crab_> yes, I understand 20110216 12:54:21-!- timotei21 [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 12:54:52< Crab_> then yes, I guess the most convenient way is to change that macro (keeping it safe security-wise, of course) 20110216 12:55:50< mordante> yes I add another catch handle before the std::exception, copy the exception to be rethrown later and throw the original exception 20110216 12:55:55-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:55:55-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 12:55:55-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:56:28< mordante> then the catchall catches the exception again and the code behaves as it does now 20110216 12:56:53-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 12:56:55< Crab_> yes 20110216 12:57:43-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:57:43-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 12:57:43-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:57:50-!- Gambit [~Gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:58:51-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 12:58:57< Crab_> but it have to be nested catch statements then, right ? 20110216 12:59:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:59:54-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 12:59:55-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 12:59:55-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 13:00:16< timotei> I have a question ralted to the Macro VALIDATE. why is the if wrapped inside a while(0)? 20110216 13:00:30< timotei> s/while(0)/do while(0) 20110216 13:00:40< Crab_> mordante: i.e., in code like http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/j4D1rwdi , catch(...) is not triggered. 20110216 13:01:49-!- rigved [~rigved@116.72.163.243] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20110216 13:01:50< mordante> timotei, standard way to make a macro save to use everywhere in the code 20110216 13:02:10< mordante> Crab_, one sec will post what I mean 20110216 13:02:46< timotei> mordante: you meant safe? 20110216 13:02:52< mordante> first like to make the macro more readable 20110216 13:03:00< mordante> was for Crab_ ^ 20110216 13:07:25< mordante> Crab_, old and new code, cleanup the old to be more readable first http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/eERmHcFZ 20110216 13:09:53< mordante> Tigge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_preprocessor#Multiple_statements 20110216 13:10:20< timotei> ok 20110216 13:10:34< mordante> sorry Tigge meant timotei 20110216 13:10:37< timotei> yeah:P 20110216 13:15:51< Crab_> mordante: yes, looks good. 20110216 13:19:46< timotei> mordante: oh, I get it now. 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20110216 19:04:43< GNUtoo|laptop> maybe with another imagemagic.... 20110216 19:20:20< Ivanovic> GNUtoo|laptop: it is by far more than imagemagic 20110216 19:20:27< Ivanovic> it is the whole engine 20110216 19:20:35< GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok 20110216 19:20:53-!- PetePorty [~pete@wesnoth/translator/PetePorty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110216 19:21:16< GNUtoo|laptop> it works fine on 1.4.3 from the person who did the gamerunner port 20110216 19:24:01< mordante> yeah it was just that the feature gets broken often due to lack of testers 20110216 19:24:56< GNUtoo|laptop> is there a way to repair that feature? 20110216 19:26:15< mordante> we hope that OGL will be finished which should make the feature work properly 20110216 19:28:56< GNUtoo|laptop> yes but I wonder the speed of OGL 20110216 19:29:09< GNUtoo|laptop> I mean you have to redraw every frame right? 20110216 19:29:20-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:29:20-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 19:29:20-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:30:29-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl51B682FD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110216 19:32:06-!- Mussious is now known as Muss 20110216 19:32:23< mordante> without acceleration probably very slow 20110216 19:32:28-!- Muss is now known as Mussious 20110216 19:32:39< GNUtoo|laptop> I've no acceleration on none of my devices but computers 20110216 19:32:48< GNUtoo|laptop> so I'll loose the ability to play wesnoth 20110216 19:33:01< GNUtoo|laptop> unless someone reverse engineer the powervr stuff 20110216 19:33:10-!- Johannes13_ [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20110216 19:35:33-!- anomic_event [~gare@209-193-65-34.mammothnetworks.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110216 19:35:44< mordante> powervr is the render engine? 20110216 19:36:25< GNUtoo|laptop> powervr = sgx = gma500 = the 3d card of most embedded devices 20110216 19:36:33< GNUtoo|laptop> its driver is proprietary 20110216 19:36:42< GNUtoo|laptop> and on some phones or devices 20110216 19:36:48-!- newbie [~kvirc@91.205.83.55] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:36:50< GNUtoo|laptop> you don't even have a 3d driver to use 20110216 19:36:58< GNUtoo|laptop> for instance 20110216 19:37:09< GNUtoo|laptop> there are people porting android phones to GNU/Linux 20110216 19:37:09-!- newbie is now known as Guest39876 20110216 19:37:14< GNUtoo|laptop> in that case the libc differs 20110216 19:37:18< GNUtoo|laptop> so no way to have 3d 20110216 19:37:31< GNUtoo|laptop> s/card/chip/ 20110216 19:37:36-!- Guest39876 [~kvirc@91.205.83.55] has quit [Client Quit] 20110216 19:41:37-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:46:04-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 19:46:12-!- PetePorty [~pete@wesnoth/translator/PetePorty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:46:42< mordante> hmm that is a shame 20110216 19:47:00< GNUtoo|laptop> indeed 20110216 19:47:12< mordante> the problem is we have nobody who cares enough about tinygui to maintain is 20110216 19:47:22< GNUtoo|laptop> you eared about nokia and elop and microsoft 20110216 19:47:23< GNUtoo|laptop> ? 20110216 19:47:40< GNUtoo|laptop> Basically there is android devices, you can't get 3d on theses devices 20110216 19:47:45-!- eoc` [~eoc@pD9561D18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:47:50< mordante> therefore we removed it, I have no objection against re-adding it if somebody wants to maintain it 20110216 19:47:57< GNUtoo|laptop> meego devices, hmmmm with microsoft I wonder if they have a future 20110216 19:48:08< GNUtoo|laptop> ok 20110216 19:48:11-!- anomic_event [~gare@208-38-203-250.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:48:31< mordante> I wonder whether Nokia has a future ;-) 20110216 19:48:37< GNUtoo|laptop> indeed 20110216 19:48:49< GNUtoo|laptop> the company making openpandora seem to have some issues 20110216 19:48:50< GNUtoo|laptop> etc.... 20110216 19:49:05-!- anomic_event [~gare@208-38-203-250.mammothnetworks.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20110216 19:49:07< GNUtoo|laptop> so I really wonder if depending on 3d(that is to say, make it not optional) 20110216 19:49:13< GNUtoo|laptop> is a good thing.... 20110216 19:49:28-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl51B682FD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:49:59-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 19:50:03< GNUtoo|laptop> palm devices have their share of issue too, 320x480 screen....not good if tinyGUI is not maintained 20110216 19:50:09-!- eoc [~eoc@pD956186E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20110216 19:50:17< GNUtoo|laptop> what would it take to maintain tinyGUI? 20110216 19:50:29< GNUtoo|laptop> I'm really but really bad at C++ 20110216 19:50:48-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:50:48-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 19:50:48-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 19:50:55-!- johndh [~johndh@adsl-85-161-125.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: class time, BBL?] 20110216 19:51:01< GNUtoo|laptop> basically my understanding of C++ is the namespace, the destructors and where to add the C code so C++ can use the C code 20110216 19:51:16< timotei> mordante, GNUtoo|laptop Nokia+MS *will* have a future. :) 20110216 19:51:38< GNUtoo|laptop> possible but wesnoth is a lot easier to port on GNU/Linux devices 20110216 19:51:50< GNUtoo|laptop> you *just* need to compile and package it 20110216 19:52:09< GNUtoo|laptop> I bet everyone eared about the wesnoth gpl violation on the app store 20110216 19:52:17< GNUtoo|laptop> I won't discuss the gpl violation itself 20110216 19:52:33< GNUtoo|laptop> but the fact that the person doing it spent 8 month full time porting it 20110216 19:52:49< GNUtoo|laptop> I spent less than a week porting it on the freerunner and other openembedded devices 20110216 19:53:07< GNUtoo|laptop> I just had to recompile it,and I knew nearly nothing at openembedded 20110216 19:53:21< GNUtoo|laptop> the iphone porter had a lot more to do 20110216 19:53:21< mordante> to maintain it you need to fix the overlay bug and other bugs there 20110216 19:53:30< GNUtoo|laptop> adapt the sound system, adapt the graphics etc... 20110216 19:53:35< GNUtoo|laptop> ok 20110216 19:53:39< mordante> the iPhone porter had to remove things to save memory 20110216 19:53:44< GNUtoo|laptop> also 20110216 19:53:59< mordante> and also change to OGL (which is a hack we won't use in trunk) 20110216 19:54:23< GNUtoo|laptop> yes that what I meant by adapt the graphics 20110216 19:54:28< GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't meant just change the wlm 20110216 19:54:29< Crendgrim> ( so ... did Apple remove all GPL software from the app store? ) 20110216 19:54:31< GNUtoo|laptop> *wml 20110216 19:54:52< GNUtoo|laptop> (about the GPL violation: here's what I think btw: 20110216 19:55:07< GNUtoo|laptop> basically apple has broken policies 20110216 19:55:19< GNUtoo|laptop> the solution would be to changes theses 20110216 19:55:21< GNUtoo|laptop> but we can't 20110216 19:55:33< GNUtoo|laptop> so either decision you take, it will be bad ) 20110216 19:56:39< GNUtoo|laptop> (what frogatto did btw? did they add an exeption for the app store in the license? if you're the only copyright owner, you can do that) 20110216 19:56:47< GNUtoo|laptop> or if all the copyright owner agree 20110216 19:57:10< loonycyborg> GNUtoo|laptop: frogatto's source is dual-licensed. 20110216 19:57:13< GNUtoo|laptop> ok 20110216 19:57:16< GNUtoo|laptop> so no issue then 20110216 19:58:14< GNUtoo|laptop> frogatto is nice btw 20110216 19:58:39< Crendgrim> Indeed. 20110216 19:59:20< Crendgrim> But I wouldn't ever have tried it if it wasn't a project by some Wesnoth devs... 20110216 19:59:25-!- eoc` is now known as eoc 20110216 19:59:40< GNUtoo|laptop> I tried on my desktop 20110216 19:59:50< GNUtoo|laptop> at the time 3d didn't work well on my laptop 20110216 19:59:53< GNUtoo|laptop> it was evergreen 20110216 20:00:02< GNUtoo|laptop> and so....I saw only black 20110216 20:00:04< CIA-57> mordante * r48531 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 20110216 20:00:04< CIA-57> Let twml_exception no longer derive from a base. 20110216 20:00:04< CIA-57> This how I originally designed the class and how it should behave. This 20110216 20:00:04< CIA-57> reverts r48377 and reintroduces bug #17577. There are two issues when used in 20110216 20:00:04< CIA-57> combination with Lua: 20110216 20:00:05< CIA-57> - Our Lua wrapper crashes when catching this exception (to be fixed in my next 20110216 20:00:06< CIA-57> commit.) 20110216 20:00:07< GNUtoo|laptop> now it works 20110216 20:00:13-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 20:01:03-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 20:01:03-!- timotei [~timotei@89.43.196.13] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 20:01:03-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 20:01:04< GNUtoo|laptop> to maintain it you need to fix the overlay bug and other bugs there 20110216 20:01:08< GNUtoo|laptop> do you have more infos 20110216 20:01:22< GNUtoo|laptop> do you think I could do it(knowing nearly nothing at C++) 20110216 20:02:13< mordante> GNUtoo|laptop, no not really, that is the problem we don't have people who really care about tinygui 20110216 20:02:38< GNUtoo|laptop> ok 20110216 20:03:13< mordante> shadowmaster, Crommy told me http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/ gives a permission error 20110216 20:03:30< mordante> or should I have pinged somebody else 20110216 20:04:18< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: ^ 20110216 20:05:07< GNUtoo|laptop> mordante, what knowledge is required to fix that bug? 20110216 20:05:15< GNUtoo|laptop> how much C++? 20110216 20:05:23< GNUtoo|laptop> how much in graphics? 20110216 20:06:01< Ivanovic> WTF?!? 20110216 20:06:13< Ivanovic> no idea what is wrong with this site, was working nicely some hours ago 20110216 20:06:50< Ivanovic> Soliton, shadowmaster, Rhonda: have you changed anything on the server lately? 20110216 20:07:56< shadowmaster> if I'm highlighting you you should be able to safely guess that I have nothing to do with changes in g.w.o 20110216 20:08:43< mordante> GNUtoo|laptop, not entirely sure 20110216 20:12:27-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-095-208-006-134.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 20:13:04< anonymissimus> we just got short on lua experts I hear ? 20110216 20:13:06-!- EdB [~edb@89.82.194.231] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 20:13:31 * mordante kicks CIA-57 20110216 20:13:32< CIA-57> ow 20110216 20:13:33< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: yeah 20110216 20:14:18< mordante> indeed 20110216 20:15:03< CIA-57> mordante * r48532 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: 20110216 20:15:03< CIA-57> Fix exceptions crashing our Lua wrapper. 20110216 20:15:03< CIA-57> An exception which doesn't derive from std::exception caused our wrapper to 20110216 20:15:03< CIA-57> defer a NULL pointer. 20110216 20:15:27< mordante> btw I'll send another email regarding to the dev-ml later tonight, first want to test some things 20110216 20:15:44< mordante> guess we should decide how to move on now that silene left 20110216 20:20:31< anonymissimus> discarding lua is no option; my addons would be doomed :P 20110216 20:20:37< anonymissimus> and not only those 20110216 20:22:41< mordante> anonymissimus, it _is_ an option, whether it's a good decision to do so is the question 20110216 20:23:06< mordante> and I think removing Lua will cause a lot of uproar on the forums 20110216 20:24:05< mordante> however it breaks our coding standards, and I think I know how to integrate Lua better, but that keeps violating our coding standards 20110216 20:24:37< mordante> and that is not something I want to do without discussing it on the ML 20110216 20:26:13< anonymissimus> understatement regarding the uproar ;) 20110216 20:27:50< anonymissimus> BfW would have gone better with a programming-oriented extension language from the beginning, suhc as lua 20110216 20:28:09< anonymissimus> wml has become a monster 20110216 20:28:56 * mordante has fixed VALIDATE again :-) 20110216 20:29:08< elias> was the question whether to remove the lua source from svn (and use the system lua-dev) or completely removing lua support? 20110216 20:30:11< mordante> btw anonymissimus once I have VALIDATE properly working again in trunk it will be easy to fix https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17399 20110216 20:30:24< mordante> only need a screenshot of the error you get, once fixed 20110216 20:31:54< mordante> elias, I see three options: 20110216 20:31:57-!- EdB [~edb@89.82.194.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 20:31:59< mordante> remove lua 20110216 20:32:02< mordante> rewrite lua to make it completely exception safe to our standards 20110216 20:32:32< mordante> coding standards* 20110216 20:33:04< mordante> make it possible to throw certain exceptions through Lua and make an exception in our coding standards for Lua breaking our exception rules 20110216 20:33:16< shadowmaster> removing lua will potentially lead to a fragmentation of the community 20110216 20:33:36< mordante> I guess the result will be number 3 and I have a way to implement it 20110216 20:34:28< Gambit> I didn't like Lua, but it was doing an amazing thing for us: Moving the backend of WML out of C++ 20110216 20:34:53< shadowmaster> that's not really relevant or accurate 20110216 20:35:40< Gambit> Well I think it'd be a shame to remove it unless there were a substitute for that particular purpose. 20110216 20:35:43< mordante> shadowmaster, I agree, but I'm unhappy with how Lua breaks our exception standards and I see a way to alleviate that pain but it still doesn't agree with our standards 20110216 20:36:32< shadowmaster> mordante: well, from my POV sticking to the coding standards like they were a god can only lead to eternal pain 20110216 20:37:16< mordante> shadowmaster, of course, but IMO breaking them should be discussed 20110216 20:37:30< shadowmaster> exceptions can be made if they won't be visible to the client (wesnoth) 20110216 20:37:45< mordante> especially since this is a huge breakage 20110216 20:37:55< mordante> shadowmaster, the crashing problem is fixed 20110216 20:37:55-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20110216 20:38:46< mordante> the problem that remains is detail in this bug report https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17743 20110216 20:38:49< mordante> the short version: 20110216 20:39:20< mordante> our code uses exceptions for flow control and if the flow goes through Lua it might stop working 20110216 20:41:30< elias> except the victory condition, what else would cause problems? 20110216 20:42:33-!- Mussious [~kamil@dgq152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20110216 20:42:55< mordante> elias, the loose condition ;-) but on a more serious note, anybody who expects signalling exceptions to work properly 20110216 20:43:05< mordante> and I don't know how many we exactly have 20110216 20:43:45< mordante> I don't think there will be many more, but I have no idea 20110216 20:43:46< elias> yeah, was thinking if it's only a few places another way to fix Lua would be to use something besides exceptions there 20110216 20:44:37< mordante> elias, I have an approach that works if you inherit your exception for tlua_jailbreak_exception 20110216 20:44:54< mordante> and I will commit that to fix the VALIDATE macro 20110216 20:46:33< mordante> and I can use that for other exceptions as well 20110216 20:47:15< mordante> so I like to get permission to make this exception to the coding standards and change the exception safetly rules for Lua 20110216 20:47:32< shadowmaster> you would like? :P 20110216 20:48:08< mordante> and it would be hypocritical to tell silene he broke the rules and then do the same myself 20110216 20:48:16-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl51B682FD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20110216 20:48:35< loonycyborg> mordante: I think it's permissible to lift coding standards for lua code since it's external project after all. 20110216 20:49:01< mordante> shadowmaster, yeah kind of pick the lesser evil 20110216 20:49:23< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Define "anything" 20110216 20:49:24< mordante> loonycyborg, I think so too, but I feel this kind of change should be discussed 20110216 20:49:39< mordante> however I'm going to write the email 20110216 20:49:50< Ivanovic> Rhonda: stuff that changes behaviour of http://gettext.wesnoth.org 20110216 20:49:57< Ivanovic> Rhonda: since this area ain't reachable no more 20110216 20:50:31< Rhonda> When did it work last time? 20110216 20:50:55< Rhonda> lrwxrwxrwx 1 wesnoth www-data 51 May 26 2010 gettext → /usr/src/svn-checkouts/website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ 20110216 20:51:06< Rhonda> broken link 20110216 20:51:20< Rhonda> /usr/src/svn-checkouts → /backup/svn-checkouts 20110216 20:51:23< Rhonda> broken link 20110216 20:52:36< Rhonda> There is no /dev/sd* 20110216 20:53:14< elias> harddrive died? 20110216 20:53:39< shadowmaster> well, wesnoth.org is working, so there is a hard drive 20110216 20:54:07< elias> yeah, but /backup sounds like it's a separate one 20110216 20:54:40< shadowmaster> yeah, sdb partition 1 20110216 20:54:43< Rhonda> uhm, some strange log entries from 8 in the morning 20110216 20:54:49< timotei> a hacker! 20110216 20:55:12< Rhonda> h I like to reboot 20110216 20:55:17< shadowmaster> Rhonda: btw, out of curiosity, why are we still on 2.6.26? I thought you already upgraded to squeeze? 20110216 20:55:34< Rhonda> shadowmaster: ls /boot 20110216 20:55:59< shadowmaster> zero files 20110216 20:56:11< Rhonda> Right 20110216 20:56:36< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I guess I want a reboot. 20110216 20:57:05< Ivanovic> Rhonda: then, uhm, do so... 20110216 20:57:47< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i am confident that i got some results from g.w.o this morning, less than 12h ago --- Log opened Wed Feb 16 21:07:16 2011 20110216 21:07:24-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:07:24-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: FOSDEM2011: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Fosdem2011 | 190 bugs, 309 feature requests, 25 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! 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Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110216 21:10:07-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Wed Feb 16 11:59:26 2011] 20110216 21:10:07[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20110216 21:10:07[ ABCD ] [ esr ] [ knotwork ] [ Rhonda ] 20110216 21:10:07[ AI0867 ] [ ettin ] [ koan ] [ shadowm_laptop] 20110216 21:10:07[ anonymissimus ] [ fendrin ] [ lobby ] [ shadowmaster ] 20110216 21:10:07[ apoi ] [ fkhodkov ] [ loonybot ] [ shikadibot ] 20110216 21:10:07[ chris| ] [ fstltna ] [ loonycyborg] [ Smar ] 20110216 21:10:07[ CIA-57 ] [ Gambit ] [ LordNasty ] [ Tigge ] 20110216 21:10:07[ clanehin ] [ GNUtoo|laptop] [ MeccaGod ] [ timotei ] 20110216 21:10:07[ Crendgrim ] [ Greywhind ] [ mjs-de ] [ Upthorn ] 20110216 21:10:07[ crimson_penguin] [ happygrue ] [ moorray ] [ vcap ] 20110216 21:10:07[ dtiger ] [ Ingmar ] [ mordante ] [ Vorpal ] 20110216 21:10:07[ elias ] [ isaac ] [ negusnyul ] [ wesbot ] 20110216 21:10:07[ Elvish_Pillager] [ isionous ] [ nHarzilei ] [ yann ] 20110216 21:10:07[ eoc ] [ Ivanovic ] [ Noyga ] [ zookeeper ] 20110216 21:10:07[ erl ] [ iwaim ] [ p1mps ] 20110216 21:10:07[ Espreon ] [ janebot ] [ phlaem ] 20110216 21:10:07-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 58 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 58 normal] 20110216 21:10:13-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20110216 21:10:14< Crendgrim> going* 20110216 21:10:19-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:10:47< timotei> lol, it would be nice if at least 10 devs would pop up based on the boot stage of the server 20110216 21:10:47< timotei> xD 20110216 21:10:54< Crendgrim> :D 20110216 21:10:55< Rhonda> I guess it might need another reboot. 20110216 21:11:09-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 70 secs 20110216 21:11:15< timotei> Rhonda: is it a windows? 20110216 21:11:19< timotei> :P 20110216 21:11:44< Rhonda> worse: shadowmaster has an account on the system 20110216 21:11:45< shadowmaster> ... 20110216 21:12:19-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:12:35< shadowmaster> at least I don't have the magic motherboard-frying powers there 20110216 21:15:07< loonycyborg> It's still 2.6.26 20110216 21:15:08 * mordante wonders which magic component-frying powers does have on our server ;-) 20110216 21:15:35 * Rhonda bites loonycyborg 20110216 21:15:46 * shadowmaster goes to restore more backups 20110216 21:15:58 * timotei installs windows on the server 20110216 21:16:16< Rhonda> SIGWTF 20110216 21:16:31< Rhonda> I can *not* upgrade the kernel because the system can't find the root device. 20110216 21:16:39< Rhonda> So grub can't do its job. 20110216 21:17:43< loonycyborg> There even doesn't seem to be a grub.conf in /root/ 20110216 21:18:02< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: what has root's home dir to do with this :| 20110216 21:18:11< loonycyborg> I meant /boot/ 20110216 21:18:21< shadowmaster> /boot is not mounted 20110216 21:18:34< loonycyborg> Then why do I see files there? 20110216 21:18:40< shadowmaster> ah wait, it is now. 20110216 21:18:50< Rhonda> ALL CROSS THEIR FINGERS! 20110216 21:19:03< Rhonda> loonycyborg: why should there be a grub.conf in /root/??!# 20110216 21:19:15< timotei> Rhonda: hand's or foot's fingers? 20110216 21:19:19< loonycyborg> Rhonda: That was a typo. 20110216 21:19:22 * timotei *troll mode* off --- Log opened Wed Feb 16 21:28:30 2011 20110216 21:28:38-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:28:38-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: FOSDEM2011: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Fosdem2011 | 190 bugs, 309 feature requests, 25 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110216 21:28:38-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Wed Feb 16 11:59:26 2011] 20110216 21:28:38[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20110216 21:28:38[ ABCD ] [ Espreon ] [ janebot ] [ shadowm_laptop] 20110216 21:28:38[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ knotwork ] [ shadowmaster ] 20110216 21:28:38[ anonymissimus ] [ ettin ] [ koan ] [ shikadibot ] 20110216 21:28:38[ apoi ] [ fendrin ] [ lobby ] [ Smar ] 20110216 21:28:38[ Appleman1234 ] [ fkhodkov ] [ loonybot ] [ Tigge ] 20110216 21:28:38[ chris| ] [ fstltna ] [ loonycyborg] [ timotei ] 20110216 21:28:38[ CIA-57 ] [ Gambit ] [ LordNasty ] [ Upthorn ] 20110216 21:28:38[ clanehin ] [ GNUtoo|laptop] [ MeccaGod ] [ vcap ] 20110216 21:28:38[ Crendgrim ] [ Greywhind ] [ mjs-de ] [ Vorpal ] 20110216 21:28:38[ crimson_penguin] [ happygrue ] [ mordante ] [ wesbot ] 20110216 21:28:38[ dtiger ] [ Ingmar ] [ negusnyul ] [ yann ] 20110216 21:28:38[ elias ] [ isaac ] [ nHarzilei ] [ zookeeper ] 20110216 21:28:38[ Elvish_Pillager] [ isionous ] [ Noyga ] 20110216 21:28:38[ eoc ] [ Ivanovic ] [ phlaem ] 20110216 21:28:38[ erl ] [ iwaim ] [ Rhonda ] 20110216 21:28:38-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 57 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 57 normal] 20110216 21:28:38!leguin.freenode.net [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 20110216 21:28:39< Rhonda> huhm, with still the old kernel 20110216 21:28:45-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:28:45-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20110216 21:29:20< loonycyborg> Actual boot stuff is in another partition :P 20110216 21:29:41-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 71 secs 20110216 21:30:17-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20110216 21:30:24-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:30:24-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 21:30:24-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:31:00< grzywacz> hi 20110216 21:31:14< timotei> hi grzywacz 20110216 21:31:23< timotei> grzywacz: just in time :) 20110216 21:31:46< grzywacz> timotei, what for? 20110216 21:31:57-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:31:59< timotei> grzywacz: Rhonda is playing "reboot the server" 20110216 21:31:59< timotei> xD 20110216 21:32:10< grzywacz> timotei, is he losing? :p 20110216 21:32:45< Rhonda> cat /proc/diskstats | while read i ; do major=$(echo "$i" | awk '{print $1}'); minor=$(echo "$i" | awk '{print $2}'); device=$(echo "$i" | awk '{print $3}'); sudo mknod /dev/$device b $major $minor; done 20110216 21:33:23< grzywacz> :D 20110216 21:33:41-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@CPE-60-226-179-130.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 21:33:43-!- negusnyul [~negusnyul@dsl51B682FD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 21:34:21 * Rhonda nibbles on grzywacz. SHE, you are missing an s. 20110216 21:35:22 * grzywacz hides 20110216 21:35:32< loonycyborg> Rhonda: Obviously he meant the server. 20110216 21:35:50< grzywacz> loonycyborg, the server can't be a "she"? 20110216 21:35:55< grzywacz> Ships are, for example! 20110216 21:36:02< Rhonda> loonycyborg: "it"? 20110216 21:36:23< Rhonda> Anyway, my laptop's name is "violet", and that's surely a "she" 20110216 21:36:35< Rhonda> … if you know where the name is from. ;) 20110216 21:36:57< Rhonda> one last reboot (hopefully) 20110216 21:36:57< timotei> Rhonda: from the RAINBOW? 20110216 21:36:58< loonycyborg> In russian the server would be 'he' because pronouns follow the grammatical gender. 20110216 21:37:03< Rhonda> timotei: Nope. --- Log opened Wed Feb 16 21:39:07 2011 20110216 21:39:15-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:39:15-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: FOSDEM2011: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Fosdem2011 | 190 bugs, 309 feature requests, 25 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110216 21:39:15-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Wed Feb 16 11:59:26 2011] 20110216 21:39:15[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20110216 21:39:15[ ABCD ] [ Espreon ] [ Ivanovic ] [ phlaem ] 20110216 21:39:15[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ iwaim ] [ Rhonda ] 20110216 21:39:15[ anonymissimus ] [ ettin ] [ janebot ] [ shadowm_laptop] 20110216 21:39:15[ apoi ] [ fendrin ] [ knotwork ] [ shadowmaster ] 20110216 21:39:15[ chris| ] [ fkhodkov ] [ koan ] [ shikadibot ] 20110216 21:39:15[ CIA-57 ] [ fstltna ] [ lobby ] [ Smar ] 20110216 21:39:15[ clanehin ] [ Gambit ] [ loonybot ] [ Tigge ] 20110216 21:39:15[ Crendgrim ] [ GNUtoo|laptop] [ loonycyborg] [ timotei ] 20110216 21:39:15[ crimson_penguin] [ Greywhind ] [ LordNasty ] [ Upthorn ] 20110216 21:39:15[ dtiger ] [ grzywacz ] [ MeccaGod ] [ vcap ] 20110216 21:39:15[ elias ] [ happygrue ] [ mjs-de ] [ Vorpal ] 20110216 21:39:15[ Elvish_Pillager] [ Ingmar ] [ mordante ] [ wesbot ] 20110216 21:39:15[ eoc ] [ isaac ] [ nHarzilei ] [ yann ] 20110216 21:39:15[ erl ] [ isionous ] [ Noyga ] [ zookeeper ] 20110216 21:39:15-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 56 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 56 normal] 20110216 21:39:20< Rhonda> rhonda@wesnoth:~$ uname -a 20110216 21:39:20< Rhonda> Linux wesnoth.wesnoth.org 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:40:25 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux 20110216 21:39:20-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:39:23-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20110216 21:39:32< timotei> Rhonda: congrats 20110216 21:39:41< Rhonda> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/ has content again 20110216 21:39:42< timotei> grzywacz: she won xD 20110216 21:39:48< Crendgrim> so - "he" / "it" lost :p 20110216 21:40:11< Rhonda> Btw., I still didn't upgrade php5 and mysql 20110216 21:40:17-!- eoc` [~eoc@pD9560FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:40:18< timotei> Rhonda: what's server's name? 20110216 21:40:18< shadowmaster> I'd say that wesnoth.org is just an "it" because it doesn't receive as much love as my ... 20110216 21:40:18-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 71 secs 20110216 21:40:23< shadowmaster> hm, deceased laptop 20110216 21:40:24< shadowmaster> nvm 20110216 21:40:38< Rhonda> For mysql I want someone familiar with our mysql hotbackup thingy around, just in case. 20110216 21:40:48< Rhonda> And php5 would kick out the sqlrelay module. Is that one in use? 20110216 21:40:56 * shadowmaster points Rhonda to Ivanovic 20110216 21:41:07< shadowmaster> he knows how to use the hotbackup script 20110216 21:41:55< grzywacz> So, what happened to the server btw? :) 20110216 21:42:10-!- eoc [~eoc@pD9561D18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110216 21:42:16-!- eoc` is now known as eoc 20110216 21:43:01-!- Mussious [~kamil@dgq152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:43:39-!- Mussious [~kamil@dgq152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 21:43:56< Rhonda> grzywacz: Strange things. I fear it was due to partial upgrade missing some parts. 20110216 21:43:58-!- Mussious [~kamil@dgq152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:46:14< Rhonda> Alright, I'm off again. 20110216 21:47:00-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20110216 21:48:10< grzywacz> I thought grzywacz was a Boost lib name 20110216 21:48:11< grzywacz> win 20110216 21:48:28< timotei> lol 20110216 21:48:43< eoc> hrhr 20110216 21:50:46-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:51:18-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 21:57:00-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20110216 22:01:02-!- Mussious [~kamil@dgq152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 22:01:03-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:03:27< mordante> grzywacz, what did he think the library does? 20110216 22:04:41< grzywacz> mordante, unfortunately he hasn't elaborated any further, but we can speculate for fun 20110216 22:05:25< elias> a library which greets and whacks you for any bugs you introduce 20110216 22:07:34-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:08:35-!- Tallken [Tallken@93.102.130.251.rev.optimus.pt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:08:35-!- Tallken [Tallken@93.102.130.251.rev.optimus.pt] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 22:08:35-!- Tallken [Tallken@unaffiliated/tallken] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:10:45-!- MeccaGod [~majs@h14n4fls31o279.telia.com] has quit [] 20110216 22:11:42-!- Tallken [Tallken@unaffiliated/tallken] has quit [Client Quit] 20110216 22:11:52< mordante> I like that library, hope it also does the regression tests 20110216 22:14:28< timotei> hehe, new mail to read xD 20110216 22:15:04< mordante> yup 20110216 22:17:26< timotei> mordante: 3. Rewrite Lua so it fully complies with our standards. 20110216 22:17:26< timotei> -> that means to be an exception-safe Lua version? 20110216 22:17:30< timotei> isn't that already the case? 20110216 22:17:54 * mordante grabs a trout and hits timotei 20110216 22:18:01< timotei> ops? 20110216 22:18:29< mordante> my whole problem with Lua was that it's not exception safe 20110216 22:18:35< timotei> ok. got it 20110216 22:19:21< mordante> at least it no longer crashes, but for a project that relies on signalling by exceptions you can't have an exception eater in the middle 20110216 22:21:11-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-173-219-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 22:28:30< anonymissimus> afaik lua is always "in the call stack" ? thats what the handle_event_commands function does, it gets called somewhere from C++ and calls then either the lua implementation of the current tag or the C++ implementation 20110216 22:28:57< anonymissimus> as soon as we're in an event lua is in the chain 20110216 22:29:04< mordante> anonymissimus, no it is not, for example it's not in the title screen 20110216 22:29:33< mordante> but most of the game indeed is in Lua 20110216 22:29:40< anonymissimus> i'm speaking of wml events 20110216 22:29:51< mordante> that's why the exception eating is such a problem 20110216 22:31:04-!- deekay [~dk@89-79-35-236.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:31:04-!- deekay [~dk@89-79-35-236.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 22:31:04-!- deekay [~dk@wesnoth/developer/dragonking] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:33:55-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20110216 22:35:47< anonymissimus> was interesting to read all that lua+exceptions stuff although i got at max a third of it i guess ;) 20110216 22:37:50< mordante> hopefully the interesting 1/3 ;-) 20110216 22:43:08-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110216 22:43:25-!- dtiger [~dtiger@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-117-124.telecom.by] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 22:44:03-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:44:03-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 22:44:03-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:44:33< happygrue> hehe 20110216 22:44:34< happygrue> same here 20110216 22:44:44< happygrue> the 1/3 I got was pretty interesting though. :D 20110216 22:45:01< happygrue> (1/10th might be more accurate) 20110216 22:45:19< mordante> I hope it was the technical part ;-) 20110216 22:46:03-!- PetePorty [~pete@wesnoth/translator/PetePorty] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:47:07< happygrue> no such luck: I have no idea what to do. :P 20110216 22:50:03< mordante> happygrue, I'm sure you can ;-) you can give your opinion on option 1 ;-) 20110216 22:50:53< happygrue> well, I tend to agree that it would make a lot of people unhappy 20110216 22:51:08-!- Tallken [Tallken@2002:5d66:82fb::5d66:82fb] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:51:08-!- Tallken [Tallken@2002:5d66:82fb::5d66:82fb] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 22:51:08-!- Tallken [Tallken@unaffiliated/tallken] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 22:51:37< happygrue> though ultimately, it should still be considered - if Lua sticks around without a maintainer and continues to cause problems "forever" or for however long than it might be worse than making people unhappy 20110216 22:53:04< happygrue> that is: keeping things that no one wants to support is problematic. Are there people who would step up to maintain it? 20110216 22:54:18< mordante> no idea, maybe Crab_ wants to 20110216 22:54:40< mordante> on the other hand we have a lot of areas which don't have real maintainer 20110216 22:55:13< mordante> but I've no idea how `finished' Lua is 20110216 22:56:16< elias> maybe silene returns 20110216 22:57:19< mordante> no idea 20110216 22:58:31< anonymissimus> guess he wants to show how important he is^^ 20110216 22:58:45< mordante> ? 20110216 22:59:51< anonymissimus> well if we have problems now, none understands the lua interface or something 20110216 23:01:57< mordante> ah well that plan often fails, both in open source and in the corporate world, almost everybody can be replaced 20110216 23:02:43< mordante> and in order to be irreplaceable your code needs to be hard to understand and obscure 20110216 23:03:03< mordante> and from what I've seen from silene's code it doesn't look like a mess 20110216 23:03:27< timotei> mordante: what if making a Gsoc proposal 20110216 23:03:38< timotei> or it would be overkill 20110216 23:03:54< mordante> timotei, what would be the exact proposal? 20110216 23:04:29< timotei> rewrite lua 20110216 23:04:31< timotei> as in nr 3 20110216 23:04:54< mordante> anonymissimus, and when I said I don't know how finished it is, I meant that I don't know how much of the game interface he exported to Lua 20110216 23:05:06< mordante> the basic engine is finished 20110216 23:05:06< timotei> and if that wouldn't need to be tightened too much with wesnoth's code, I guess there will be students who know/would like to do that 20110216 23:05:47< anonymissimus> well exporting this or that function is something even I could manage 20110216 23:06:39< mordante> timotei, might be an idea, but not sure how wise 20110216 23:06:53< mordante> gsoc students also don't always stay around :-( 20110216 23:07:23< timotei> mordante: well... I stayed xD 20110216 23:07:48< anonymissimus> timotei: nice! 20110216 23:07:51< mordante> I know and I'm happy about that 20110216 23:08:30< timotei> but lua is "nice". I don't see why wouldn't anyone stay 20110216 23:08:35< timotei> maybe you could sign a contract 20110216 23:08:35< timotei> lol 20110216 23:08:36< timotei> xD 20110216 23:08:45< eoc> ah, I wanted to ask that at some point anyways: can we flag our project as generally python but also allow them to peek into our c++ engine which is a different project(also foss)? did you have similar tasks or is google not amused by such tasks in general as they're not 100% related to the org applying? 20110216 23:09:59< mordante> eoc, best ask Carols on #gsoc or send here an email 20110216 23:10:12< mordante> s/here/her/ 20110216 23:16:40< mordante> I'm off night 20110216 23:17:04< timotei> night mordante 20110216 23:17:11-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20110216 23:19:00-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110216 23:22:15-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110216 23:23:44-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-095-208-006-134.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]] 20110216 23:24:25-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 23:24:25-!- stikonas [~and@bcm216-46.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Changing host] 20110216 23:24:25-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 23:30:22-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110216 23:49:53< CIA-57> espreon * r48533 /branches/1.8/src/ (20 files in 4 dirs): Ran umcpropfix. 20110216 23:54:24-!- TronPaul [~chatzilla@dhcp237.gradapt2.iit.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Thu Feb 17 00:01:00 2011