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20110218 00:26:29< CIA-57> esr * r48537 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20110218 00:26:29< CIA-57> Elimination of "OK", a modernism.
20110218 00:26:29< CIA-57> Yes, I left one in Gruu the Troll's mouth.
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20110218 00:31:30< fendrin> esr: Hi, you may want to give me instructions how to fix the dialog issue in NR before the release of 1.8.6.
20110218 00:32:15< fendrin> esr: I am talking about https://gna.org/bugs/?16227
20110218 00:32:36< esr> fendrin: Looking...
20110218 00:33:03< fendrin> esr: We talked 2 or 3 weeks ago in a private channel about it.
20110218 00:33:14< esr> Right, I remember.
20110218 00:33:30< esr> But I don't remember what we decided.
20110218 00:34:06< fendrin> We didn't take a decision. You said that you want time to think about it.
20110218 00:36:33< esr> Oh.  Well, it seems like the general solution would be to write a macro that recomputes the Supporter role from available units amd drop calls to it in the startup events.
20110218 00:37:07< fendrin> Yes, but it is not that easy.
20110218 00:37:20< fendrin> Some of the speech does refer to earlier scenarios.
20110218 00:37:39< fendrin> So you need to assign the speech to a unit that has been around at that scenario. 
20110218 00:38:11< fendrin> Meening we would need to mark every unit with the scenario at which it was recruited or elsewhise joined.
20110218 00:38:45< esr> Wait, I'm going to grep.
20110218 00:42:15< esr> fendrin: I'm looking for speech with backreferences.  Haven't found any yet, going through scenario 4.
20110218 00:43:10< esr> OK, found one.
20110218 00:44:10< fendrin> Are roles carried over to new scenarios in the meantime?
20110218 00:44:19< fendrin> zookeeper might now.
20110218 00:44:41< esr> I don't know, alas.
20110218 00:46:36< esr> OK, I've found just one backreference.  *All* other Supporter dialog would work with any random unit that's not a named charavter.
20110218 00:47:13< fendrin> The backreference is to sceanrio1, right?
20110218 00:47:36< esr> Yes, it's in Old Friend.
20110218 00:48:14< esr> OK, I think I see a way to solve this.
20110218 00:49:09< esr> First step: write a macro that assigns the Supporter role to any unit on side 1 that's not a named character.
20110218 00:49:52< fendrin> If no unit that already carries the Supporter role is around.
20110218 00:50:11< esr> Second step: Write another macro that tries to pick an Advisor from the named characters on the field, other Than Tallin.
20110218 00:50:14< fendrin> Assumed that the role is carried over.
20110218 00:50:18< esr> Yes.
20110218 00:51:09< esr> Use the supporter-picking macro for all scenarios..  In Old Friend also pick an Advisor o say that one line with history.
20110218 00:51:19< esr> Does this seem workable?
20110218 00:52:02< fendrin> There is no named character with Talin in scenario one.
20110218 00:52:25< fendrin> So we won't get an Advisor to speak the line with the backreference.
20110218 00:52:29< shadowmaster> Sapient, mordante: to clarify, this formula language implementation was originally forked from SilverTree's.
20110218 00:52:46< shadowmaster> both frogatto's and wesnoth's are forks further developed on their own
20110218 00:53:13< timotei> night
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20110218 00:54:22< esr> fendrin: Then we get to just ignore the issue, I guess.  I syuppose we could select the advisor from L2s and L3s.
20110218 00:56:31< fendrin> Okay, I will see that I fix the bug soon. I keep you updated on the progress.
20110218 00:57:45< fendrin> esr: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/McQJnT96 
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20110218 00:58:13< fendrin> That piece of code for example does not make any sense to me. It's out of 06a Old friend
20110218 00:58:32< esr> Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either.
20110218 00:59:05< fendrin> Maybe the variable is saved extra with assigning the role.
20110218 00:59:46< fendrin> But we would not need to reasign it but can filter for the variable inside the unit in the message dialogue directly.
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20110218 02:22:46< fendrin> esr: Do you want me to put the new elvish flag in use through the campaign?
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20110218 05:55:50< TronPaul_> question about lua concerting https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17671
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20110218 05:59:39< fendrin> hi TronPaul_
20110218 05:59:50< TronPaul_> hey
20110218 06:00:06< Espreon> Ic grete eow.
20110218 06:00:54< TronPaul_> i'm wondering what x=$x1 in lua does
20110218 06:01:03< TronPaul_> precisely
20110218 06:01:37< fendrin> It will assign the value of the variable x1 to the variable x
20110218 06:01:46< TronPaul_> mmmk
20110218 06:02:03< TronPaul_> im wondering where it get's x1 from
20110218 06:02:15< TronPaul_> its for the RISE_UP_RISE_UP macro
20110218 06:02:43< fendrin> x1 is the x coordinate of the primary unit that triggered the event
20110218 06:02:51< fendrin> So in that case it is the unit that died.
20110218 06:04:42< TronPaul_> if that's the case then I'm not sure how the undead units end up in the wall
20110218 06:05:02< fendrin> There is no lua involved in that coding.
20110218 06:05:07< TronPaul_> ahh mmk
20110218 06:05:14< fendrin> How do you got the idea that it is a lua problem?
20110218 06:06:00< TronPaul_> from looking in the scenario lua
20110218 06:06:03< TronPaul_> new to the project
20110218 06:06:14< TronPaul_> so big noob
20110218 06:06:19< fendrin> The scenario isn't coded in lua as well
20110218 06:06:42< fendrin> The language we are talking about is called WML
20110218 06:06:47< TronPaul_> ahh sorry
20110218 06:06:48< fendrin> Wesnoth markup language
20110218 06:06:49< Espreon> Indeed.
20110218 06:06:55< fendrin> There is lua code in wesnoth.
20110218 06:07:09< fendrin> But only for more advanced stuff that can't be done in WML that easy.
20110218 06:07:19< Espreon> ... and for making WML tags.
20110218 06:07:35< TronPaul_> ok
20110218 06:07:49< fendrin> To answer your question, I guess that the dying unit still occupies the hex field in question during the die event.
20110218 06:08:24< fendrin> Then the new unit will get spawn in a free hex field around it.
20110218 06:08:44< fendrin> But in any case it shouldn't end up in a place where no unit can be placed at all.
20110218 06:09:17< TronPaul_> mmk
20110218 06:09:42< fendrin> adding a find_vacant=no
20110218 06:09:55< fendrin> will place it on the same field and delete the unit there.
20110218 06:10:17< fendrin> Which should not be a problem since the unit died already.
20110218 06:10:48< TronPaul_> ok thanks
20110218 06:11:06< TronPaul_> probably should do some more reading on the layout of wesnoth
20110218 06:11:21< fendrin> Still it needs to be fixed that a unit that is placed through the find_vacant feature ends up in a wall.
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20110218 06:11:58< TronPaul_> so 2 fixes, find_vacant will give a position that it shouldn't
20110218 06:12:09< TronPaul_> and interim it can take the place of the dying unit
20110218 06:12:36< fendrin> Well, that is all guess work.
20110218 06:12:46< TronPaul_> but it's where I can start looking
20110218 06:12:49< fendrin> It is just what seems for me to be the best bet.
20110218 06:13:13< TronPaul_> just trying to see if I can learn enough to maybe do GSoC with wesnoth
20110218 06:13:22< TronPaul_> haven't done much c++
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20110218 06:13:46< fendrin> GSoC tasks don't involve much WML or lua work in general.
20110218 06:14:01< fendrin> It's more c++ and maybe java for the eclipse wml plugin.
20110218 06:14:03< TronPaul_> no I know they'd be harder
20110218 06:14:30< TronPaul_> it's just I gotta start somewhere learning how everything is layed out
20110218 06:14:34< fendrin> But it won't hurt to get a general overview how wesnoth works before applying for GSoC
20110218 06:14:41< TronPaul_> yarp ^
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20110218 09:52:25< timotei> Soliton, Rhonda, in case you didn't see it: 02:30:33< PetePorty> Hey guys, the Add-On server isn't working, I get a "Remote host disconnected" error, and it isn't just me... I wasn't sure whom I should report this to, so I'm just posting it here hoping for someone to care.
20110218 09:53:05< Rhonda> Huhm, maybe it's related to my removal of boost 1.35, lemme check
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20110218 09:54:23< Rhonda> yep, my fault
20110218 09:54:42< Rhonda> Soliton, can you recompile the whole thing, or shall I fetch the boost1.35 libs back from lenny?
20110218 09:55:14< Rhonda> I guess I'll do the later for now, recompile will pick up the newer lib then automatically on next rebuild.
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20110218 09:58:05< Rhonda> wow, it even uses 1.34.1 at some point
20110218 10:02:09< Ivanovic> moin
20110218 10:03:59< timotei> http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-banning-open-source-marketplace-not-quite
20110218 10:04:12< timotei> is wesnoth GPLv3?
20110218 10:04:34< timotei> hmm, it's 2+
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20110218 10:45:41< Rhonda> Alright.
20110218 10:45:52< Rhonda> timotei: does the addon server work now again?
20110218 10:49:02< timotei> Rhonda: checking now. altough I don't know what addons server didn't work. trunk or other
20110218 10:49:43< timotei> Rhonda: it works
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20110218 10:58:42< Ivanovic> bah, having the wiki borked sucks...
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20110218 11:01:11< Rhonda> crab said he'll look into it
20110218 11:01:25< Ivanovic> good
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20110218 11:15:22< CIA-57> ivanovic * r48538 /trunk/ (33 files in 29 dirs): updated Galician and Irish translation
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20110218 11:23:57< Soliton> Rhonda: i'm recompiling everything.
20110218 11:24:39< Rhonda> cheers!
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20110218 12:01:14< Ivanovic> hi Crab_
20110218 12:01:30< Crab_> hi, Ivanovic
20110218 12:01:35< Ivanovic> Crab_: any ETA regarding the wiki stuff (meaning: do you already know when you can look into it?)
20110218 12:01:59< Ivanovic> got a mail from a translation maintainer who wanted to add a spelling mistake and could not do so, i could not do so either
20110218 12:02:31< Crab_> ah, I haven't seen this particular issue
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20110218 12:02:48< Crab_> I've got my ssh keys with me today, so I'll try to take a look now
20110218 12:03:00< Ivanovic> Crab_: basically it is not possible to change content in the wiki
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20110218 12:03:40< Crab_> yes, I've just tried. yesterday I was only aware of the problems with DPL plugin, which is much lower priority
20110218 12:04:10< Ivanovic> :)
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20110218 12:12:58< Crab_> ok, the wiki should be editable now
20110218 12:13:11< Crab_> there was a problem with php 5.3.3 + ReCaptcha plugin.
20110218 12:14:06< Crab_> (DPL is still broken)
20110218 12:19:42< Crab_> ok, DPL only requires the page to be edited and saved with changes, then it starts working again. great.
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20110218 12:32:01< Ivanovic> Crab_: okay, worked now, thanks
20110218 12:33:57< Soliton> all campaignd's rebuilt and restarted. all wesnothd's rebuilt and trunk restarted.
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20110218 13:08:25< nHarzilei> hmm
20110218 13:09:15< nHarzilei> does a wishlist bug report for faster recognition of disconnects already exist?
20110218 13:10:19< nHarzilei> we had a lot of games end with host client not getting timed out in acceptable time recently
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20110218 13:33:01< Crab_> nHarzilei: how long it took to timeout ?
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20110218 15:40:52< Crendgrim> fendrin: I have managed to reproduce the segfault bug in a debug build. The backtrace is linked at gna.org.
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20110218 15:47:22< Soliton> nHarzilei: configure the ping timeout under advanced settings.
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20110218 15:59:46< nHarzilei> Soliton: uhm
20110218 16:00:30< nHarzilei> Soliton: does _me_ configuring the ping timeout help with the detection of other ppl leaving?
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20110218 16:17:33< Soliton> nHarzilei: no, no idea where that was implied.
20110218 16:26:29< nHarzilei> oh. sorry. its not very clear, only thing hinting at it is 'host'
20110218 16:27:09< nHarzilei> its about the situation where game cant continue because host got disconnected but this did not get detected yet so host did not get transferred to other player
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20110218 18:02:09< fendrin> Crendgrim: Thank you very much :-)
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20110218 18:26:34< Crendgrim> fendrin: Has it been useful?
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20110218 19:04:52< fendrin> Crendgrim: It consolidated my first suspection of why the error happens. It's more or less the same stacktrace shadowmaster gave me already. So yes, it is useful since I know now that it is indeed the bug I already know about.
20110218 19:06:58< Crendgrim> fendrin: At least. :)
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20110218 19:41:45< mordante> servus
20110218 19:42:44< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
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20110218 19:43:25< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20110218 19:48:05< mordante> fendrin, Lua AI would be a valid GSoC project
20110218 19:48:41< mordante> shadowmaster, I'm aware the formula language is from Silvertree
20110218 19:48:50< mordante> ;-)
20110218 19:49:15< fendrin> mordante: I don't get the context. 
20110218 19:49:51< mordante> 06:13 <fendrin> GSoC tasks don't involve much WML or lua work in general.
20110218 19:50:23< fendrin> mordante: I see. 
20110218 19:55:10< mordante> I think it's also directly an exception, but TronPaul seems to be interested in Lua AI
20110218 19:59:08< fendrin> Well, I would also see a lua library that supports story telling in a better way a valid project.
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20110218 20:00:34< mordante> Crendgrim, are you still in the debugger?
20110218 20:04:08< mordante> fendrin, just curious, but what fails at the moment?
20110218 20:06:24< fendrin> mordante: Regarding the bug Crendgrim reported?
20110218 20:07:58< mordante> fendrin, no the story library
20110218 20:08:32< fendrin> mordante: Ah, the idea is a system that supports a more complex story telling system.
20110218 20:09:15< grzybacz> In what way?
20110218 20:09:33< fendrin> Imagine you have to talk to person A to get an information that you can use to get a task from person B if you have found the "holy artifact of something"
20110218 20:10:05< fendrin> If your scenario or campaign is full of such story driven tasks/quests it is a nightmire to code in wml.
20110218 20:11:48< timotei> fendrin: just joking, creating a: WSTL ?
20110218 20:11:56< timotei> Wesnoth StoryTelling Library
20110218 20:11:58< timotei> xD
20110218 20:12:05< fendrin> :-)
20110218 20:13:43< mordante> fendrin, wouldn't that be possible with something like persistent variables?
20110218 20:13:50< Crendgrim> mordante: Not indeed. I closed it some hours ago :p But I can try to reproduce the bug if it helps somehow
20110218 20:14:31< mordante> Crendgrim, well it would be nice to get the values of some variables
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20110218 20:14:50< mordante> especially from the loc in frame 0
20110218 20:14:57< fendrin> mordante: No, persistent variables are for transfering information between different campaigns.
20110218 20:15:17< Crendgrim> mordante: Wait, I'll try to get the bug again
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20110218 20:15:45< mordante> fendrin, I know but that's why I said /something like/ thus Lua variables that can be stored in a savegame
20110218 20:15:46< fendrin> I was talking about a system that acts inside a single scenario.
20110218 20:15:52< mordante> or even use WML variables
20110218 20:16:18< fendrin> This is doable by WML variables. It's just quite a hard task.
20110218 20:16:45< fendrin> So I thought it would be nice to have a system that can handle all kinds of stories.
20110218 20:17:09< fendrin> Like a database that you fill with persons, informations, and so on.
20110218 20:17:10< mordante> and it's not possible to have Lua variables that can be used between events?
20110218 20:17:17< Crendgrim> btw: Why looks the minimap different now?
20110218 20:17:17< grzybacz> database?
20110218 20:17:35< grzybacz> mordante: I thought the interpreter was stateful
20110218 20:17:53< mordante> grzybacz, I'm not sure, haven't looked at Lua
20110218 20:18:01< Crendgrim> mordante: Bug reproduced; I'm in the debugger. What should I do now?
20110218 20:18:18< fendrin> You can access lua variables from wml and wml variables from lua.
20110218 20:18:36< mordante> fendrin, I see merit in the idea, but I think the focus is too limited, I think it would be nice to have a generic framework to store the variables
20110218 20:19:06< mordante> and then use them for dialogs, but also for items and whatever UMC creators can think of
20110218 20:19:17< mordante> Crendgrim, can you type p loc
20110218 20:19:57< Crendgrim> the output is: $1 = (const map_location &) @0x23749a8: {x = -1000, y = -1000, static null_location = void}
20110218 20:20:38< fendrin> mordante: I don't understand what my proposal has to do with variables.
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20110218 20:21:12< mordante> fendrin, you talk about a database
20110218 20:21:41< mordante> Crendgrim, as I expected an invalid location is send, an null location
20110218 20:21:50< mordante> fendrin, ^
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20110218 20:23:58< Crendgrim> mordante: I'll leave the terminal window open for some time. If you need some more information, please call me
20110218 20:24:37< fendrin> Yes. The sidebar does want to display a defense value for the terrain the unit is standing on.
20110218 20:24:52< fendrin> But the be recruited unit does not have a location on the map.
20110218 20:25:05< fendrin> Thus in some cases we get the segfault.
20110218 20:27:59< fendrin> s/the be/the to be
20110218 20:28:39< Crendgrim> fendrin: Even if it doesn't crash, the displayed value is "0%"... I wanted to ask you about that, but forgot it
20110218 20:31:19< anonymissimus> fendrin: lua variables arent accessible by wml
20110218 20:31:36< anonymissimus> lua needs to put things into wml vars previously
20110218 20:31:57< fendrin> yeah
20110218 20:32:21< fendrin> I know it isn't doable directly. 
20110218 20:32:51< fendrin> But in general you can share values in both worlds.
20110218 20:33:55< anonymissimus> mordante: "and it's not possible to have Lua variables that can be used between events?"
20110218 20:34:04< anonymissimus> thats its possible
20110218 20:34:25< anonymissimus> store the lua variable in the global lua environment
20110218 20:34:40< mordante> anonymissimus, ok
20110218 20:34:57< anonymissimus> however, lua code can be executed only from wml events ?
20110218 20:35:21< anonymissimus> but lua variables can be kept over the end of events
20110218 20:35:23< mordante> fendrin, but I would say write a GSoC proposal for your idea, maybe also makes it easier for us to understand and give feedback
20110218 20:35:47< anonymissimus> they however do not automatically survive save-load cycles
20110218 20:37:34< anonymissimus> (wow, I could actually answer a question of yours)
20110218 20:37:44< fendrin> mordante: Yes, I will do that.
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20110218 20:40:12< fendrin> Crendgrim: I will see that I go and fix that bug during the weekend.
20110218 20:41:02< mordante> fendrin, cool
20110218 20:43:01< Crendgrim> fendrin: great :)
20110218 20:43:46< mordante> btw fendrin any progress on the compilation problem?
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20110218 20:47:24< fendrin> mordante: The #IFDEF NEW_LISTBOX thing?
20110218 20:49:19< mordante> the GUI2_EXPERIMENTAL_LISTBOX
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20110218 20:55:48< mordante> fendrin, ^
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20110218 20:59:16< fendrin> mordante: I will have a look at it this weekend.
20110218 20:59:45< mordante> fendrin, ok nice
20110218 21:20:34< mordante> I'm off bye
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20110218 22:31:55< fendrin> Are the saurians reptilians or amphibians?
20110218 22:35:17< noy> neither?
20110218 22:35:29< Smar> saurians are saurians.
20110218 22:35:30< noy> or both?
20110218 22:36:39< fendrin> If they are dinosaurs they are reptiles.
20110218 22:37:00< Elvish_Pillager> Their *name* says they're reptilian
20110218 22:37:28< Elvish_Pillager> in fact, they might even be... wait for it... saurians
20110218 22:37:37< Elvish_Pillager> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurian
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20110218 22:38:10< fendrin> Elvish_Pillager: Thanks for the link.
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20110218 23:02:00< timotei> night
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