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20110226 00:43:46< CIA-57> anonymissimus * r48642 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/04c_Mal-Ravanals_Capital.cfg: Fixed: bug #17790 Easter Invasion -Mal Ravanal's Capital doesn't produce a paladin.
20110226 00:44:36< zookeeper> thanks!
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20110226 02:19:30< shadowmaster> Shade lives! http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=480440#p480440
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20110226 07:21:18< vultraz> has anyone considered implementing weather into wesnoth?
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20110226 07:22:25< Espreon> vultraz: What exactly do you desire? Effects or gameplay elements?
20110226 07:22:37< vultraz> like stormy weather would cause the animated water to move faster, rain to fall, and the map color to darken
20110226 07:22:49< vultraz> or a windy day would cause the trees to sway
20110226 07:22:56< vultraz> etc etc
20110226 07:23:00< Espreon> Rain has been implemented.
20110226 07:23:28< Espreon> Mere effects might not be nixed, but they'd be a low priority.
20110226 07:23:30< vultraz> O_O really!
20110226 07:23:37< vultraz> we have rain!
20110226 07:23:40< vultraz> ?
20110226 07:23:41< Espreon> FtF has it.
20110226 07:23:58< vultraz> FtF?
20110226 07:24:03< Espreon> Flight to Freedom.
20110226 07:24:09< vultraz> ah
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20110226 07:24:51< ancestral> Weather sorta CABD as a hack
20110226 07:25:23< ancestral> It would be far from elegant, of course
20110226 07:29:07< vultraz> well, if a storyline says it was stormy it would be better to have a not-so-elegant storm rather than no storm at all
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20110226 07:31:34< ancestral> What I meant was you could animate some clouds or such as a unit
20110226 07:32:10< ancestral> Then display the unit
20110226 07:32:13< ancestral> Otherwise, if you can animate terrains, maybe that would be a better option
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20110226 09:44:47< mordante> servus
20110226 09:54:07< CIA-57> mordante * r48643 /trunk/doc/design/gui2.tex: Improve the used packages for gui2.tex.
20110226 09:54:10< CIA-57> mordante * r48644 /trunk/doc/design/gui2.sty: 
20110226 09:54:10< CIA-57> Improve the looks of the listing a bit.
20110226 09:54:10< CIA-57> Fixing some reference styles and shrink the size of the text.
20110226 09:54:14< CIA-57> mordante * r48645 /trunk/doc/design/gui2/ (creating_widgets_and_dialogs.tex unit_attack.hpp): Fix some references for the gui2 design document.
20110226 09:54:16< CIA-57> mordante * r48646 /trunk/doc/design/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20110226 09:54:17< CIA-57> Improve linking to references.
20110226 09:54:17< CIA-57> Use cleveref and add some helper macros for references it can't handle
20110226 09:54:17< CIA-57> (yet). Support for listings is in a newer version, so look at that in
20110226 09:54:17< CIA-57> the future.
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20110226 10:17:39< mordante> wesbot, seen iwontbecreative
20110226 10:17:39< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick iwontbecreative 1d 9h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Client Quit
20110226 10:22:41< CIA-57> mordante * r48647 /trunk/ (changelog src/gui/auxiliary/event/handler.cpp): 
20110226 10:22:41< CIA-57> Implement the SDL_VIDEOEXPOSE for gui2.
20110226 10:22:41< CIA-57> YogiHH discovered the event was not implemented and it seems not to be
20110226 10:22:41< CIA-57> fired on Linux.
20110226 10:22:41< CIA-57> YogiHH please test whether there are no glitches.
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20110226 11:55:38< akzfowl> can anybidy tell me how i can get started contributing to the game?
20110226 11:55:45< akzfowl> *anybody
20110226 12:04:48< deekay> akzfowl: Take a look here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Create
20110226 12:05:35< deekay> akzfowl: And if you're the coder, you may want to start from fixing some bugs ;) bugs.wesnoth.org 
20110226 12:06:38< akzfowl> thanks! i shall take a look at the bugs
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20110226 14:53:16< boucman> surfaces are ref-counted :(
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20110226 14:55:32< mordante> boucman, yes, what's the problem with it?
20110226 14:55:56< boucman> it mean it's hard to assume they are read-only
20110226 14:56:15< boucman> or to put it differently : they need to be protected vs concurent access when going openMP
20110226 14:56:30< mordante> indeed :-(
20110226 14:56:57< boucman> I have some very rare crashes in the drawing code when enabling OMP, which took me time to figure out since that code is not OMP aware
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20110226 15:03:13< mordante> hmm that's annoying
20110226 15:06:11< boucman> that's why the omp code hasn't been comitted yet. it's a rare race.
20110226 15:06:41< boucman> I can usually get it by starting a 9p AI only game, with 800 starting gold and +18 income :)
20110226 15:06:43< mordante> do we know how much memory the reference counting saves us?
20110226 15:07:07< boucman> IIRC it was a huge gain at the time, so probably very usefull
20110226 15:07:34< boucman> since we cache surface, the perf gain is good, i'll add the criticall sections where they are needed and we should be good
20110226 15:08:52< mordante> ok, a OMP specific critical section or a generic one?
20110226 15:09:16< boucman> omp specifi
20110226 15:09:33< mordante> ok
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20110226 15:09:51< mordante> do you already have some numbers on the performance gain?
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20110226 15:10:39< boucman> my very unscientific measures of average AI turn time on a 1v1 ai game showed a gain of 8%
20110226 15:11:12< boucman> the big gain should be when Crab uses OMP to study the different possibilities in parallel
20110226 15:13:03< mordante> so that's the real goal for adding it?
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20110226 15:14:01< boucman> the goal on my part is to see how hard it is to add OMP in wesnoth (classical threads would be more like a complete rewrite) and if it does provide a gain
20110226 15:14:27< boucman> it's not easy to do, it need some delicate thinking and extensive testing, but it does yeld some improvements
20110226 15:16:52< mordante> ok sounds interesting, look forward to have a look at the code
20110226 15:16:57< mordante> once committed
20110226 15:17:25< boucman> want a diff on pastebin to have an early look ?
20110226 15:17:35< mordante> if you have one it would be nice
20110226 15:18:32< boucman> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d85uA6zM
20110226 15:18:53< boucman> note that it's still WIP, I still have to do some testing to do and cleanup the patch
20110226 15:19:05< boucman> and write a mail to the ML with my conclusions
20110226 15:22:03< mordante> ok, reading
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20110226 15:45:24< mordante> interesting, but quite a bit of work to get it working it seems
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20110226 19:29:11< Ivanovic> boucman, mordante, fabi, all other people somehow involved in gsoc stuff: how are preparetions going?
20110226 19:29:17< Ivanovic> do we have some ideas listed now?
20110226 19:29:37< Ivanovic> (yeah, submission opens on monday and before i want to submit wesnoth i'd like to see *some* ideas listed)
20110226 19:30:11< mordante> Ivanovic, I added some (old) ideas today
20110226 19:30:42< mordante> found nothing for easy coding yet
20110226 19:30:54< Ivanovic> okay
20110226 19:31:15< mordante> but maybe some wiki grabber things, but like to know what iwontbecreative wants to do in that area
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20110226 19:41:07< loonycyborg> mordante: I just got a new mouse with scroll panel capable of both horizontal and vertical scrolling and that already works fine in wesnoth.
20110226 19:41:21< loonycyborg> I wonder whether you had to do something special to achieve that..
20110226 19:44:21< mordante> loonycyborg, I wrote code to support it, but it looks about the same as a vertical scrollwheel
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20110226 19:44:36< mordante> so not too hard to do, but thanks for testing
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20110226 19:44:41< loonycyborg> np
20110226 19:44:44< mordante> wesbot seen Velensk
20110226 19:44:44< wesbot> mordante: Sorry, I don't know of Velensk.
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20110226 19:49:09< wesbot> TronPaul: The person with the nick Crab_ 1d 20h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20110226 21:14:14< Soliton> loonycyborg: env variables (CXXFLAGS, LDFLAGS) are not used when building tests.
20110226 21:18:53< Soliton> loonycyborg: also -[l]pthread is missing when linking the asio test.
20110226 21:20:28< loonycyborg> Soliton: Are you using trunk? LDFLAGS/CXXFLAGS are used when building tests here.
20110226 21:22:08< Soliton> yes, i'm using trunk. line 271 of SConstruct suggests to me that those flags do not get merged in.
20110226 21:23:49< loonycyborg> env["extra_flags_config"] isn't about system environment. It's passed from command line: extra_flags_config="..."
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20110226 21:24:25< Soliton> exactly.
20110226 21:24:28< loonycyborg> Besides, test_env is created after that line.
20110226 21:24:36< Soliton> ok.
20110226 21:26:25< Soliton> well, no idea then but if i set LDFLAGS to -pthread it does nothing while if i put that into extra_flags_config it works.
20110226 21:28:28< loonycyborg> LDFLAGS are added after config checks and therefore don't affect them.
20110226 21:29:12< loonycyborg> Anyway, for me -lpthread is added by sdl-config and even if I manually remove that flag everything still works.
20110226 21:30:17< Soliton> so when you build the asio test there is no -lpthread or -pthread on the link line?
20110226 21:31:29< loonycyborg> 'g++ -o build/sconf_temp/conftest_16 build/sconf_'temp/conftest_16.o -L/usr/lib -lm -lboost_iostreams-mt -lSDL -lpthread -lSDL_net -lboost_system-mt -lboost_thread-mt'
20110226 21:31:43< loonycyborg> that's what it runs for me.
20110226 21:32:15< loonycyborg> Does using -pthread solve the problem for you too?
20110226 21:32:23< Soliton> yes.
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20110226 21:35:43< Soliton> it'd be nice if LDFLAGS/CXXFLAGS get used for config tests same as extra_flags_config.
20110226 21:51:08< CIA-57> loonycyborg * r48648 /trunk/scons/boost.py: 
20110226 21:51:08< CIA-57> Made config check for boost.thread add -pthread to compile and link flags.
20110226 21:51:08< CIA-57> This should fix asio check failing with undefined references to libpthread
20110226 21:51:08< CIA-57> on some systems.
20110226 22:02:20< loonycyborg> Soliton: iirc you wanted LDFLAGS/CXXFLAGS to appear later in command line so they could override default settings. It would be hard to achieve those two requirements at the same time.
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20110226 22:04:45< Soliton> why is it hard for them to behave the same as extra_flags_config?
20110226 22:07:18< loonycyborg> extra_flags_config are merged, then config checks append their flags then default settings such as -O2 are appended, thus overriding any -O3 or whatever.
20110226 22:07:44< loonycyborg> any -O3 from extra_flags_config
20110226 22:08:36< Soliton> i see. is that the same for the other extra_flags_ options?
20110226 22:09:08< loonycyborg> extra_flags_release etc are appended *after* config checks and default options.
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20110226 22:10:24< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions | Re: GSoC 2011 idea - Ladder by Iskander at 02-26-2011 21:01:58 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=33134&p=480524#p480524
20110226 22:10:28< Soliton> ok, i suppose it's fine then. i'd guess no other build system does it like that though?
20110226 22:11:04< loonycyborg> Not sure.
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20110226 22:14:15< anonymissimus> does gcc compile fine for a == b && c without () around == ?
20110226 22:17:33< loonycyborg> I'm too lazy to memorize operator precedence so I tend to always use explicit ()
20110226 22:19:37< Soliton> yes.
20110226 22:20:10< anonymissimus> thx^^
20110226 22:20:12< Soliton> i'd guess operator precedence is not something where compilers differ.
20110226 22:20:20< anonymissimus> it is
20110226 22:20:32< Soliton> like?
20110226 22:20:51< anonymissimus> MSVC doesn't throw a warning about a || b && c, gcc does
20110226 22:20:51< timotei> anonymissimus: you can check with loonybot iirc
20110226 22:21:04< timotei> loonybot: a==b && c
20110226 22:21:05< loonybot> error: 'a' does not name a type
20110226 22:21:12< anonymissimus> mathematically its clear so i wonder why gcc does that
20110226 22:21:15< timotei> well, you have to declare then first xD
20110226 22:21:17< mordante> no the operator precedence is fixed
20110226 22:21:28< timotei> well && is first
20110226 22:21:29< Soliton> it's a warning..
20110226 22:21:30< timotei> right?
20110226 22:21:36< anonymissimus> its evaluated consistently however
20110226 22:22:37< mordante> timotei, yup
20110226 22:24:01< mordante> but probably too many people got it wrong, so the gcc devs decided to warn about it
20110226 22:25:41< timotei> well, I just used "intuition" if we can call that. AND get's usually priority, that's the way it works for boolean algebra too
20110226 22:25:49< timotei> and all those computer fundamentals
20110226 22:25:57< timotei> s/get's/gets
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20110226 22:49:24< CIA-57> anonymissimus * r48649 /trunk/ (data/lua/wml-tags.lua src/pathfind/pathfind.cpp): Introduced a minimum search radius for pathfind::find_vacant_tile with a pass_check. (fix for bug #17769)
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20110226 22:52:10< mordante> I'm off night
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20110226 23:13:24< CIA-57> ivanovic * r48650 /branches/1.8/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated Slovak translation
20110226 23:13:49< CIA-57> ivanovic * r48651 /trunk/ (749 files in 28 dirs): updated Slovak translation
20110226 23:20:56< CIA-57> eleazar * r48652 /trunk/ (48 files in 4 dirs): Added the new tall encampment keep by Doofus. Has a transition glitch with some terrains that i'm not sure how to fix. Adjacent grass (and probably other terrains) can overlap the wood floor.
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20110226 23:24:26< CIA-57> anonymissimus * r48653 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Made [unstore_unit]find_vacant=yes check for terrain passability too, not only for being empty.
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20110226 23:27:50< tomreyn> hi everyone
20110226 23:27:54< tomreyn> <tomreyn> does wesnoth-server support upnp or nat-pmp?
20110226 23:27:54< tomreyn> <tomreyn> how does wesnoth networking work in general?
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20110226 23:32:58 * Ivanovic is running wesnoth-optipng atm, lets see if it still wants to change this many files or not
20110226 23:33:05< Ivanovic> will know in 30 to 60mins, when it will be done
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20110226 23:59:19< loonycyborg> tomreyn: All wesnoth clients communicate through wesnoth server, there's no peer-to-peer connections. So no need for upnp or whatever.
20110226 23:59:26-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.5 planned once the Khalifate are in | 183 bugs, 304 feature requests, 25 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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