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20110206 02:46:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: that situation you didn't handle has grown
20110206 02:47:12< shadowmaster> cool, not my fault.
20110206 02:47:15< Gambit> The backseat moderators are on it now.
20110206 02:47:33< shadowmaster> okay- hold on a sec.
20110206 02:47:34< shadowmaster> I'm not going to mod it.
20110206 02:47:38< shadowmaster> I wasn't ever going to mod it.
20110206 02:47:52< shadowmaster> I was just contemplating the possibility of using one of my stock snarky answers.
20110206 02:47:58< Gambit> Sigh.
20110206 02:48:03< shadowmaster> But I wasn't ever going to use mod powahs there.
20110206 02:48:04< Gambit> OK do you mind if I take care of it then?
20110206 02:48:12< shadowmaster> I don't mind.
20110206 02:48:34< shadowmaster> also, join ##shadowm
20110206 02:48:39< Gambit> I had this awesomely sarcastic post written, but then I realized that I shouldn't do things like that.
20110206 02:48:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: You join ##Gambot
20110206 02:48:49< shadowmaster> no, you first join ##shadowm
20110206 02:49:03< Gambit> My post would have been the first time the word Chalkmenfelation was used on the forums.
20110206 02:49:14< Gambit> Or perhaps ever.
20110206 02:49:20< shadowmaster> chalkmenfellatio?
20110206 02:49:21< shadowmaster> o.O
20110206 02:49:28< Gambit> "We have this stuff called... uh... I can't remember now. Tacoasphyxiation. Talktoahatian. Chalkmenfelation. Documentation! How do you think the people that know this found it out? We have a huge, decently-well-organized wiki with information on nearly every aspect of Wesnoth. So if the people Doing It Wrong™ can't be bothered to go there and learn, then... yeah they can just produce broken add-ons and inconvenience their downloaders 
20110206 02:49:28< Gambit> who give up on their trash."
20110206 02:49:37< shadowmaster> fellatio with ... chalk men?
20110206 02:49:57< shadowmaster> asphyxiation with tacos?
20110206 02:50:13< shadowmaster> talking with haitians?
20110206 02:50:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: no one would have gotten the point.
20110206 02:50:46< Gambit> Yeah I cancelled it in the pre-drafting phase :P
20110206 02:50:51< shadowmaster> words 11th, 12th and 13th are just too distracting
20110206 02:52:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: did you mix up your cardinal and ordinal numbers?
20110206 02:52:09< Gambit> Espreon would not be amused.
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20110206 04:55:18< vultraz> back
20110206 05:08:55< vultraz> yes! 106 downloads of my add-on!
20110206 05:11:52< Espreon> How long has it been on the server?
20110206 05:12:41< vultraz> 'bout 5 days
20110206 05:13:51< Espreon> I see...
20110206 05:14:38< vultraz> what
20110206 05:15:38< Espreon> Eh?
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20110206 11:08:28< AI|FOSDEM> Espreon: what does eftboren mean again?
20110206 11:08:50< Espreon> "Reborn"
20110206 11:08:52< Espreon> It's OE.
20110206 11:10:06< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: Why?
20110206 11:10:39< AI|FOSDEM> did you have any plans for the unit trees? because we were discussing those last night
20110206 11:10:55< Espreon> Teh plans are in the "docs" directory.
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20110206 11:21:46< AI|FOSDEM> doesn't say too much though
20110206 11:21:56< AI|FOSDEM> we were also discussion possible ToD schedules
20110206 11:22:12< Espreon> Discuss ToD crap with fabi.
20110206 11:22:19< Espreon> Also, if you need moar info, feel free to ask me.
20110206 11:22:27< AI|FOSDEM> the only one that could be calculated by hand was a 12-ToD cycle
20110206 11:22:36< AI|FOSDEM> with 4 days, 3 nights and 5 twilights
20110206 11:23:16< Espreon> I see.
20110206 11:23:45< AI|FOSDEM> I suggested an eccentric orbit, but I can't calculate that by hand
20110206 11:23:58< Espreon> Uh huh...
20110206 11:24:52< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: Is there anything in particular you want to know about the plans? Sorry that there's so little in the docs dirrctory.
20110206 11:26:34< AI|FOSDEM> something similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit
20110206 11:27:13< AI|FOSDEM> we once had the idea of shaman-like units casting cold or fire based stuff based on ToD
20110206 11:27:44 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20110206 11:28:01< AI|FOSDEM> we added to that: D = fire+heal, N = cold+heal, T = cold+fire
20110206 11:29:05< Espreon> I don't like that idea.
20110206 11:29:20< AI|FOSDEM> it actually makes some sense though
20110206 11:30:07< Espreon> The orbit, do whatever the fuck you want. The shaman idea... I hate it.
20110206 11:33:44< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: Keep in mind that we've already developed ideas for the faction a long time ago; agreed on them.
20110206 11:34:31< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: For info on the shaman equivalents, look at "new-quenoth-elves" in the directory.
20110206 11:34:51< AI|FOSDEM> I read that, it doesn't really give much info
20110206 11:34:54< Espreon> Sadly, there is no complete record of our ideas... in deoth.
20110206 11:34:57< Espreon> *depth
20110206 11:35:23< Espreon> I am the lorekeeper. Feel free to ask me anything.
20110206 11:38:07< vultraz> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/cYeaG64Y when my mp campaign gets to that, a blank message box appears and nothing happens to the terrain. why?
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20110206 11:41:38< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: Do you think you're going to talk about it again?
20110206 11:42:48< Espreon> vultraz: Take QUAKE out of [terrain]
20110206 11:46:21< vultraz> then where do I put QUAKE
20110206 11:46:46< Espreon> In [then]
20110206 11:46:57< Espreon> QUAKE's contents aren't valid in [terrain]
20110206 11:47:52< vultraz> kk
20110206 11:50:15< Espreon> vultraz: Why aren't you marking your strings as translatable?
20110206 11:56:16< Espreon> Goodnight. I have to finish a paper that was due days ago soon... before tomorrow.
20110206 12:04:22< AI|FOSDEM> we want to get UtBS finished, port any changes to IftU and then mainline that if possible
20110206 12:04:49< AI|FOSDEM> but the usage of wood and steel in the desert was something that needed fixing
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20110206 12:50:00< vultraz> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/W6iNceEf now that gives me a blank message box and it quakes, but no terrain change, why?
20110206 12:56:50< zookeeper> the message is because of your massage typo.
20110206 12:57:41< zookeeper> and use canrecruit=no, not canrecruit=0
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20110206 13:00:50< zookeeper> also there's nothing wrong with the [terrain] tag.
20110206 13:13:27< vultraz> humm
20110206 13:14:54< vultraz> the message now appears, but the terrain still doesn't change
20110206 13:15:22< zookeeper> i'd guess that it does but you just don't notice for some reason.
20110206 13:25:19< vultraz> AUGH!!! i spotted the reason. the terrain i want to is at 14,6 and 18,6, but i wrote 14,16 and 18,16 in the file!!!
20110206 13:25:29 * vultraz hits himself on the head
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20110206 13:37:53< vultraz> ok the terrain now changes fine, but the events still fires on every enemy turn after it first fires
20110206 13:39:08< vultraz> how do i tell it to stop after the first fire?
20110206 13:39:58< zookeeper> check for a variable and set it.
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20110206 17:25:57< Gambit> gah this thing is too touchy
20110206 17:26:01< Gambit> hate this laptop
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20110206 18:15:34< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: We all want to get it finished, but I want things to turn out well.
20110206 18:15:51< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: Currently, we're stuck in the naming phase.
20110206 18:16:02< Espreon> ... and we won't take recolored names.
20110206 18:17:11< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: ... and of course, the accepted names are in the unit tree file in docs.
20110206 18:18:04< Espreon> AI|FOSDEM: Mainline IftU? Really? I thought doing so would be against a certain someone's wishes.
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20110206 20:25:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: I assume you've not got Jetrel's replies to bvanevery
20110206 20:25:35< Gambit> nope I haven't
20110206 20:26:49< shadowmaster> sent the three PMs to you
20110206 20:27:04< shadowmaster> he forgot to include you in the To list
20110206 20:27:55< Gambit> ohwow
20110206 20:27:59< Gambit> And I thought I was being tough.
20110206 20:29:27< Gambit> hmmm
20110206 20:30:35< Gambit> What's interesting is that we do have a fork for the very reasons he describes.
20110206 20:31:24< Gambit> Surprise that the poor Wesnoth community members being held down by the horrible dev team produced one single programmer who produced one single alternate RNG algorithm and then poof
20110206 20:31:41< Gambit> The two people doing the real work are, surprise again, from the dev team.
20110206 20:32:24< Gambit> And what a fool he is thinking that the dev team is some giant mass of jelly with a single opinion on everything.
20110206 20:32:34< Gambit> They had squat to do with what I did in that thread.
20110206 20:33:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: His response to Jetrel actually pisses me off. :\
20110206 20:33:07< shadowmaster> WE ARE JELLY CREATURES
20110206 20:33:08< shadowmaster> WE ARE DELICIOUS
20110206 20:34:26< shadowmaster> as I see things, he's a Well Intentioned Extremist who's ultimately going to harm inferno8's work by getting himself banned from the forums.
20110206 20:35:05< shadowmaster> unless he STFU and accepts that we are humans an d we are neverr going to agree on a common point
20110206 20:35:18< Gambit> Why are tigsource's forums so ugly?
20110206 20:35:20< Gambit> :\
20110206 20:35:52< shadowmaster> one extremist who can't accept an apology though
20110206 20:36:02< shadowmaster> I suppose it'd be faster to ban him immediately
20110206 20:36:23< shadowmaster> that is, the next time he misbehaves in public
20110206 20:36:36< Gambit> I'd be against banning him on that ground. If he doesn't believe me then whatever.
20110206 20:36:50< shadowmaster> nah, the next time I'll handle it myself
20110206 20:37:04< shadowmaster> so he cannot complain that a random mod is on his heels
20110206 20:37:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: but he'll report you to uh... uh...
20110206 20:37:22< Gambit> Sirp!
20110206 20:37:41< shadowmaster> Sirp has no business to do with us anymore other than Wesnoth Inc.
20110206 20:37:52< shadowmaster> and I'm not a contracted employee, so ;)
20110206 20:38:02< Gambit> ah here we go
20110206 20:38:09< Gambit> if you removed ";wap2" from that link
20110206 20:38:23< Gambit> the forums don't look like the business end of a dog
20110206 20:39:25< shadowmaster> anyway Jetrel failed a bit
20110206 20:39:41< shadowmaster> one of the main driving points behind X.org's birth was the licensing changes in XFree86
20110206 20:40:40< shadowmaster> "X11R6.7.0, the first version of the X.Org Server, was forked from XFree86 4.4 RC2. The immediate reason for the fork was a disagreement with the new license for the final release version of XFree86 4.4, but several disagreements among the contributors surfaced prior to the split."
20110206 20:40:59< Gambit> shadowmaster: oooh I like this: http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=15149.msg438676#msg438676
20110206 20:41:05< Gambit> the first two paragraphs anyway
20110206 20:41:08< Gambit> not the penis metaphor
20110206 20:41:23< shadowmaster> (basically, XFree86 was becoming non-free software)
20110206 20:41:53< Gambit> hmhmm this is #wesnoth-umc-dev
20110206 20:42:35< shadowmaster> yes
20110206 20:46:50< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=477930#p477930 <- this is hilarious
20110206 20:47:12< shadowmaster> the first line, namely
20110206 20:47:32< Gambit> heh
20110206 20:47:39< Gambit> I like line two
20110206 20:47:44< Gambit> He's not the first person with that reaction.
20110206 20:48:02< Gambit> [see also: Nightmares of Meleon]
20110206 20:53:04< shadowmaster> Gambit: here's a similar guy we had in IRC before under a nickname like "zensei" or sth
20110206 20:53:12< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=24131
20110206 20:53:18< shadowmaster> also http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=24130
20110206 20:53:38< Gambit> ohlol the guy who appealed to Dave to "fire" everyone else
20110206 20:53:42< Gambit> I remember that.
20110206 20:56:06< Gambit> shikadibot: logs
20110206 20:56:15< Gambit> oh yeah the topic :\
20110206 20:56:53< Gambit> aww they're gone
20110206 20:56:56< Gambit> on both sites
20110206 20:57:01< Gambit> Oh well.
20110206 21:00:17< shadowmaster> what?
20110206 21:01:04< Gambit> shadowmaster: the logs of the day Turuk mentions
20110206 21:01:43< shadowmaster> wesnoth.debian.net must have them
20110206 21:01:50< Gambit> there are no feb 2009 logs of #wesnoth-umc-dev on irclogs.w.o and ai0867.net seem- huh?
20110206 21:02:14< shadowmaster> Rhonda's wesbot logs
20110206 21:02:27< Gambit> oooooo
20110206 21:10:52< timotei> Gambit: http://wesnoth.debian.net/logs/%23wesnoth-2009-02-17.log.gz
20110206 21:11:05< Gambit> timotei: err I am presently reading it yes
20110206 21:11:11< Gambit> Thank you though.
20110206 21:11:29< timotei> btw, where is unhulelu?
20110206 21:11:30< timotei> got banned?
20110206 21:12:55< Gambit> he's... around sometimes I guess
20110206 21:12:59< Gambit> in #wesnoth I believe.
20110206 21:25:29< noy> Gambit: I think you should join #wesnoth-mentor
20110206 21:25:32< noy> temporarily
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20110206 21:59:25< Gambit> janebot: http://forums.wesnoth.org
20110206 21:59:35< Gambit> janebot: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.wesnoth.org
20110206 21:59:42<+janebot> Gambit: title: http://forums.wesnoth.org Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
20110206 21:59:43<+janebot> Gambit: title: Battle for Wesnoth &bull; Index page
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20110206 21:59:54< Gambit> And now they're back.
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