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20110212 00:44:31< Taco_Princess> I just won my first match Hodor style, 'twas fun :P
20110212 00:44:42< Taco_Princess> I did cheat and use public chat, though
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20110212 02:24:45< Taco_Princess> Gambit: Would you be up for playing a game in maybe 30-ish minutes?
20110212 02:27:19< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: Where you the one observing my wesband game earlier this week?
20110212 02:27:31< PetePorty> Yes.
20110212 02:27:36< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: Yes, I was.
20110212 02:27:38< Taco_Princess> 8)
20110212 02:27:43 * Taco_Princess offers you a high five
20110212 02:28:27 * PetePorty hugs gamefreak264
20110212 02:28:33< PetePorty> Er, Taco_Princess.
20110212 02:28:37 * Taco_Princess shrieks and runs away
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20110212 02:28:51< PetePorty> >.<
20110212 02:28:56 * PetePorty glomps on Taco_Princess?
20110212 02:29:10 * Taco_Princess is not sure what that means, but is scared none the less
20110212 02:29:29< PetePorty> Google is your friend.
20110212 02:29:30< PetePorty> :P
20110212 02:30:10< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: You're insane!
20110212 02:30:19< PetePorty> Indeed.
20110212 02:30:37< PetePorty> It's my trademark.
20110212 02:30:41< PetePorty> ^_^
20110212 02:32:11< Taco_Princess> Isn't there some webpage with all the replays of online games on it somewhere? Having trouble finding it.
20110212 02:32:33< shadowmaster> replays.wesnoth.org
20110212 02:32:46< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: have you played "The Fall of Trent", "Brotherhood of Light", "Into the Underworld", "The Labrynith of Champions" or "The High Seas"?
20110212 02:32:51< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster: Thanks,f riend
20110212 02:32:54 * PetePorty waves to shadowmaster.
20110212 02:33:27< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: I actually downloaded "The Fall of Trent" today along with "Into the Underworld", intending to play one or the other tonight
20110212 02:33:40< PetePorty> Hmmmm...
20110212 02:33:51< PetePorty> I love that guy... Bob is awesome.
20110212 02:34:00< Taco_Princess> I think I briefly observed "The High Seas" and "Brotherhood of Light"
20110212 02:34:11< Taco_Princess> he was observingo ne of my games I played recently
20110212 02:34:19< PetePorty> Really?
20110212 02:34:25< PetePorty> Bob_The_Mighty?
20110212 02:34:27< Taco_Princess> Yeah, it was one of his things
20110212 02:34:32< Taco_Princess> Let me look it up
20110212 02:34:36< Taco_Princess> it was his pirate themed demo
20110212 02:34:37< PetePorty> Awesome...
20110212 02:34:44< PetePorty> Nah, I believe you...
20110212 02:34:50< PetePorty> Ahhh...
20110212 02:35:35< Taco_Princess> The Altaz Mariners
20110212 02:35:39< Taco_Princess> it's really good, by the way
20110212 02:35:44< Taco_Princess> a bit shorter than I was expecting
20110212 02:35:46< Taco_Princess> but I enjoyed it
20110212 02:35:52< PetePorty> I'll try it at some point....
20110212 02:36:03< PetePorty> I just suck at this game... It's for smart people...
20110212 02:36:16< Taco_Princess> Would you like to play The Fall of Trent or....that other one with me?
20110212 02:36:26< Taco_Princess> I've been looking for some fun people to do it with
20110212 02:36:30< PetePorty> Sure.
20110212 02:36:34< PetePorty> I do suck though.
20110212 02:36:36< PetePorty> :P
20110212 02:36:36< Taco_Princess> I can't do it imediately
20110212 02:36:45< PetePorty> And ummm... I'm not "fun"...
20110212 02:36:48< Taco_Princess> I'm not sure if I suck
20110212 02:37:04< PetePorty> Well, the gamee can last several hours, IIRC...
20110212 02:37:04< Taco_Princess> I tend to mostly only play against most of my friends
20110212 02:37:08< Taco_Princess> I tend to win
20110212 02:37:12< PetePorty> Hmmmm...
20110212 02:37:17< Taco_Princess> but they also happen to be newcomers to the game, for the most part
20110212 02:37:29< PetePorty> I only play against Gambit and shadowmaster, and I always lose.
20110212 02:37:39< Taco_Princess> Gambit won't play with me
20110212 02:37:53< PetePorty> Well, I almost never play with other people...
20110212 02:37:54< Taco_Princess> I've never so much as talked to shadowmaster, though
20110212 02:38:00< PetePorty> lol
20110212 02:38:00< Taco_Princess> he seems friendly enough, though
20110212 02:38:01< shadowmaster> PetePorty: you lose against Gambit!!!? :O
20110212 02:38:07< PetePorty> He's awesome.
20110212 02:38:17< PetePorty> shadowmaster: Our last... 4 match were BG...
20110212 02:38:25< shadowmaster> uh. ah.
20110212 02:38:29< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster > Gambit > PetePorty ?
20110212 02:38:31< Taco_Princess> XD
20110212 02:38:38< shadowmaster> well, of course you'll always lose against the addon's author
20110212 02:38:42< PetePorty> And I've won about half of those.... And before that, I don't really recall playing much... maybe a match or two...
20110212 02:38:53< PetePorty> shadowmaster: I won the first 3 times we played BG
20110212 02:38:56< PetePorty> :P
20110212 02:39:27< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster: If I were to do one of those games PetePorty mentioned, would you like to join me? :P
20110212 02:39:40< shadowmaster> I don't like playing add-ons
20110212 02:39:41< PetePorty> He is a defaultfag
20110212 02:39:42< PetePorty> :P
20110212 02:39:49< Taco_Princess> We should beat him up!
20110212 02:39:55< PetePorty> lol
20110212 02:40:01< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster: Seriously tough, why not?
20110212 02:40:07< Taco_Princess> *though
20110212 02:40:24< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: He dislikes non-core content.
20110212 02:40:44< PetePorty> He says only default is perfectly balanced and stuff like that...
20110212 02:40:54< Taco_Princess> He's a sissy!
20110212 02:40:56< PetePorty> shadowmaster: but you still love me, right?
20110212 02:41:02 * Taco_Princess makes a funny face at shadowmaster
20110212 02:41:26< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: if you mess with shadowmaster, Gambit will beat you up.
20110212 02:41:38< Taco_Princess> I dunno, balance is fun, but I think taking it too seriously takes most of the fun out of playing with the game
20110212 02:42:01< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: have you ever played Ageless Era?
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20110212 02:42:41< Taco_Princess> I had to stop playing wii with one of my friends 'cause he's seriously into playing SSBB with "tourney rules" because, according to him, that's the only fun way
20110212 02:42:45< Taco_Princess> he'll only play one stage
20110212 02:42:51< Taco_Princess> and turns off all items
20110212 02:43:11< Taco_Princess> and is completely into effeciency, to the degree that it's not fun
20110212 02:43:20< Taco_Princess> Anyway, yes, PetePorty 
20110212 02:43:27< PetePorty> It's an era that includes every single era in the game, and since it's not balanced, because they're from different eras, and since the most fun factions arent the strongest, strength always beats fun.
20110212 02:43:58< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: I played a match Hodor style for the first time today, was pretty fun :P
20110212 02:44:05< Taco_Princess> my poacher was useless, though
20110212 02:44:12< PetePorty> lol
20110212 02:44:16< PetePorty> HODOR is fun...
20110212 02:44:19< Taco_Princess> they're not-good against undead and they seemed so slow next to those footpads and thieves
20110212 02:44:48< Taco_Princess> it may have been good against a ghost or ghoul, maybe, but it mostly only contended with very pierce resistant skeletons
20110212 02:44:54< PetePorty> Although I was extremely angry at the footpad nerf...
20110212 02:45:05< Taco_Princess> I'm a bit saddened
20110212 02:45:13< Taco_Princess> but nothing like extremely angry
20110212 02:45:19< PetePorty> It was my fav unit...
20110212 02:45:36< Taco_Princess> More power to the thieves! 8)
20110212 02:45:43< PetePorty> lol
20110212 02:46:01< PetePorty> Level 3 Assassins are pretty kickass at night with backstab....
20110212 02:46:04< Taco_Princess> Eh, my contacts online won't start Wesnoth
20110212 02:46:15< PetePorty> wut?
20110212 02:46:25< Taco_Princess> Want to just play a 1 vs 1 ageless era match, random? :P
20110212 02:46:33< Taco_Princess> I was wanting to do one of bob's scenarios with them
20110212 02:46:34< PetePorty> ...
20110212 02:46:51< Taco_Princess> but I thought it would be best to have a few people for those
20110212 02:46:51< PetePorty> Ok, I guess... Let me download ageless...
20110212 02:46:59< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: you don't have to
20110212 02:47:05< Taco_Princess> only play if you want to
20110212 02:47:07< Taco_Princess> it's about the fun
20110212 02:47:08< PetePorty> I don't?
20110212 02:47:15< Taco_Princess> no need to feel pressured, friend
20110212 02:47:17< PetePorty> lol
20110212 02:47:23< PetePorty> I want to...
20110212 02:47:36 * Taco_Princess moves his footpad behind you and tells it to hit you in the head twice with a club
20110212 02:47:37< PetePorty> I mean, how else will I ever learn to play?
20110212 02:47:51< PetePorty> I'll do the same with a thug.
20110212 02:47:53< PetePorty> >:(
20110212 02:49:14< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: You do understand that Ageless is a trainwreck, though, right? I mean... It won't exactly be a "cool" match... Maybe fun in a sense of "dude... this sucks >.<".
20110212 02:49:16< PetePorty> =D
20110212 02:49:51< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: Eh, yeah, spent a fair ammount of time with it. Want to play something 'balanced'? :P
20110212 02:50:10< Taco_Princess> Aethaeryn: I played your four bases map last week, by the way, had a great time :P
20110212 02:50:51< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: IDC.
20110212 02:50:57< PetePorty> You host, I'll join. :P
20110212 02:51:08< Taco_Princess> Aethaeryn: Not sure, but it did seem as if it favored merfolk a bit too much, though. Want the replay?
20110212 02:52:11< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: Eh, I just realized that I don't have ageless on this computer, would you be okay with default?
20110212 02:52:21< PetePorty> lol
20110212 02:52:27< Taco_Princess> Hey...since we're doing default... do you want me to poke shadowmaster?
20110212 02:52:41< Taco_Princess> Well... you haven't decided yet, as far as I can tell
20110212 02:52:42< PetePorty> I'm ok with anything... Like... 5 GPV, 30%xp and ageless... :P
20110212 02:52:45< Taco_Princess> so maybe I shouldn't ask yet
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20110212 02:52:50< PetePorty> ooh, yeah.
20110212 02:52:54< PetePorty> shadowmaster: POKE
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20110212 02:53:55< PetePorty> Well, he did say he was having french fries with fried eggs...
20110212 02:54:00< PetePorty> But that was a while ago...
20110212 02:54:05< shadowmaster> had
20110212 02:54:14< PetePorty> Ah, aweosme.
20110212 02:54:17< PetePorty> shadowmaster: Yes?
20110212 02:54:19< PetePorty> =D
20110212 02:54:26 * PetePorty puppy eyes
20110212 02:54:41< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster: I'm having trouble imagining that meal. I'm going to pretend that it sounds appatizing! :P
20110212 02:55:02< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: He also had tea.
20110212 02:55:09< PetePorty> Also, that's a delicious meal, damnit.
20110212 02:55:12< Taco_Princess> Wait, is he okay with DLC maps? I'm rather fond of Aethaeryn's stuff
20110212 02:55:20< Taco_Princess> *addon maps
20110212 02:55:33< PetePorty> Aethaeryn's mappack is pretty good.
20110212 02:56:32< shadowmaster> you know, I'm right here, so you don't need to ask PetePorty stuff about me.
20110212 02:56:43< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster: But you ignore me!
20110212 02:56:56< PetePorty> shadowmaster: But you're an almighty being for people who are new.
20110212 02:57:08< PetePorty> I mean, I did fear you when I first met you. :P
20110212 02:57:11 * shadowmaster isn't ignoring anyone.
20110212 02:57:22< PetePorty> (Of course, the 200 +q didn't help with that...)
20110212 02:57:37< shadowmaster> lol
20110212 02:58:36< PetePorty> shadowmaster: what's our policy about insulting IRC messages coming from Wesnoth playes in IRC?
20110212 02:58:44< PetePorty> In a query, I mean.
20110212 02:59:03< PetePorty> Just /ignore?
20110212 02:59:08< Taco_Princess> I started the match
20110212 02:59:12< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: I'm getting those too
20110212 02:59:28-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20110212 02:59:30< HosenJack> NOoo
20110212 02:59:31< HosenJack> ;D
20110212 02:59:35-!- HosenJack was kicked from #wesnoth by shadowmaster [you should know better]
20110212 02:59:35< PetePorty> ...
20110212 02:59:50< Taco_Princess> shadowmaster: I didn't know you were an op! :o
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20110212 03:00:41< PetePorty> shadowmaster: How did you know it was him?
20110212 03:00:53<@shadowmaster> because he sent me one of those.
20110212 03:00:58< Taco_Princess> PetePorty: Psst. Were we expecting shadowmaster to show up?
20110212 03:00:59< PetePorty> Ahhh....
20110212 03:01:07< Taco_Princess> Why would you send an op a message like that?
20110212 03:01:09< PetePorty> He never said he was coming...
20110212 03:01:12< PetePorty> Did he?
20110212 03:01:19< Taco_Princess> I dunno, he's a mysterious fellow
20110212 03:01:27<@shadowmaster> er, I'm going to watch TV later :)
20110212 03:01:31< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: He didn't have the +o tag before...
20110212 03:01:44< PetePorty> shadowmaster: later as in after the match?
20110212 03:01:45<@shadowmaster> so unless you are sure it'll be a really short match I don't think I'm playing
20110212 03:01:46< PetePorty> WAIT
20110212 03:01:54< PetePorty> YOU are going to watch TV!?
20110212 03:02:04< PetePorty> shadowmaster: it already started, :P
20110212 03:02:22< PetePorty> AFK now, match.
20110212 03:02:25< PetePorty> ^_^
20110212 03:02:33< VurtualRuler98> So wait
20110212 03:02:38< VurtualRuler98> you're somehow playing without a keyboard?
20110212 03:05:06-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
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20110212 03:09:23< Gambit> For the record I am totally OK with making funny faces at shadowmaster.
20110212 03:09:36< Gambit> In fact, given a funny enough face, you may even receive a trophy :o
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20110212 03:10:45< Gambit> Fun fact: There's a forum achievement called Shadowmaster's Wrath
20110212 03:10:55< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/User:Gambit#Shadowmaster.27s_Wrath
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20110212 03:17:58< VurtualRuler98> Forums have achievements now?
20110212 03:20:41< Gambit> They have since December 2009 :D
20110212 03:22:18< Taco_Princess> Gambit: my enemy's partner just left, wanna take his spot? he's kind of a newb
20110212 03:22:24< Gambit> I had so much free time back then to waste.
20110212 03:22:33< Gambit> Taco_Princess: Nah. Sorry.
20110212 03:22:54< Gambit> I actually just came from my ps3 and was just checking my backlog before moving on to my Networking exam.
20110212 03:23:02< VurtualRuler98> PS3!?
20110212 03:23:07< Gambit> And then... this.
20110212 03:23:23< Gambit> And now adieu.
20110212 03:23:24< VurtualRuler98> ...you know, I was about to make a "nogames" joke, and then I realize there are a few PS3 exclusives I want.
20110212 03:24:24< Gambit> I won't get into an overly long discussion over how 360 exclusives are thusly because M$ paid for them to be, but generally ps3 exclusives are exclusive because of the ps3's better hardware.
20110212 03:24:34< Gambit> I'll just trollingly mention it and then leave like I said I was going to :D
20110212 03:31:48< Aethaeryn> Taco_Princess: I'm currently not developing on the stable version of Wesnoth
20110212 03:32:12< Aethaeryn> But you can send replays if you want.
20110212 03:36:36< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Ah, kinda like how Microsoft paid Nokia...
20110212 03:36:41< Aethaeryn> And Yahoo...
20110212 03:36:50< Aethaeryn> And the phone carriers...
20110212 03:36:55< Aethaeryn> And just about everyone they "partner" with these days.
20110212 03:37:30< PetePorty> Gambit: POKE
20110212 03:37:46< Aethaeryn> A Microsoft partnership: "Oh @#$%! We're falling behind to <insert competitor here> that makes a better product! Time to buy our way into the market with the massive piles of cash we are sitting on."
20110212 03:37:51< Aethaeryn> Hey, sometimes it works.
20110212 03:43:37< VurtualRuler98> You know, microsoft should totally like
20110212 03:43:54< VurtualRuler98> release a completely unconfigured version of windows.
20110212 03:44:18< VurtualRuler98> So it'll be broken until I figure out what everything does.
20110212 03:49:34< Gambit> Aaaand back.
20110212 03:49:45< Gambit> Man I couldn't remember which layers of the OSI model contain TCP and CRC :(
20110212 03:50:25 * Taco_Princess pokes PetePorty to remind him to poke Gambit
20110212 03:50:35< PetePorty> Gambit: POKE
20110212 03:50:43< Gambit> PetePorty: Hi
20110212 03:50:46< Gambit> How are you?
20110212 03:50:55< Gambit> A:\
20110212 03:51:01< PetePorty> Gambit: Pretty good, and you?
20110212 03:52:15< Gambit> Not too well.
20110212 03:52:22< Gambit> Some lunatic poked me in the eye.
20110212 03:53:54< Gambit> PetePorty: You wouldn't know anything about that eh?
20110212 03:54:17< Gambit> In other words: Why didst thou poke me?
20110212 03:54:18< PetePorty> No, not at all...
20110212 03:54:27< PetePorty> Taco_Princess told me to.
20110212 03:54:42< PetePorty> Gambit: he wants us to play a game together.
20110212 03:54:45< PetePorty> Like a familly.
20110212 03:54:47< PetePorty> ^_^
20110212 03:55:05< PetePorty> And I agreed with the idea.
20110212 03:55:13< PetePorty> Ooh, you should show him BG.
20110212 03:55:15< PetePorty> =D
20110212 03:55:30< Gambit> No.
20110212 03:55:45< Gambit> Going to go watch TV.
20110212 03:55:53< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: ^
20110212 03:56:00< PetePorty> Gambit: Why so mean?
20110212 03:56:28< Gambit> Since when is it mean to decline a game of Wesnoth when you already had plans?
20110212 03:56:31< Gambit> C:\
20110212 03:57:39< Gambit> Bye now.
20110212 03:57:39< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop pasting random DOS prompts.
20110212 03:57:49< Gambit> :\
20110212 03:58:28< Gambit> I thought you would appreciate the spin on my favorite smiley, but OK.
20110212 03:59:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's totally the regular slanted mouth emotion with a giant zit on his forehead, and totally unrelated to my recent DOS experiments.
20110212 03:59:51< shadowmaster> s/experiment/orgasm/
20110212 04:00:13< shadowmaster> it might be safer for humanity if you didn't study CS topics at all.
20110212 04:00:41< Gambit> Yeah just imagine how annoying I could be if I actually knew what I was talking about. ;)
20110212 04:01:02< shadowmaster> you are talking to someone who learned to use DOS when whe was 6 years old.
20110212 04:01:07< shadowmaster> *he
20110212 04:01:48< Gambit> Aww that puts me two years behind you :(
20110212 04:02:29< Gambit> Hmmm
20110212 04:02:36 * Gambit makes another attempt to leave again.
20110212 04:02:58< shadowmaster> LOOK! IT'S A FLYING 5 1/4 INCHES FLOPPY DISK!
20110212 04:03:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: !
20110212 04:03:10< Gambit> Single or double sided?
20110212 04:03:23< shadowmaster> single
20110212 04:03:27< Gambit> That's important!!! DOS 1.0 doesn't support double sided 5 /14" floppy disks.
20110212 04:03:34< Gambit> *1/4
20110212 04:03:48< Aethaeryn> Gambit: networking exam?
20110212 04:04:10< shadowmaster> Gambit is supposedly studying Operating Systems.
20110212 04:04:21< shadowmaster> he's really studying "Microsoft software"
20110212 04:04:31< Gambit> There's a chapter on Linux :D
20110212 04:04:39< Aethaeryn> k
20110212 04:04:46< Aethaeryn> My school is very Linux/Unix
20110212 04:04:54< Aethaeryn> Honestly, if it wasn't I wouldn't be majoring in computer science.
20110212 04:05:10< Aethaeryn> I'd just take the absolute minimum necessary and take prereqs at another school's masters program
20110212 04:05:12< shadowmaster> what.
20110212 04:05:15< Gambit> Yeah I finally burned through all the web design and programming classes offered at the nearby campus
20110212 04:05:23< Gambit> So I'm taking Networking and Operating Systems
20110212 04:05:31< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you aren't a philosopher?
20110212 04:05:39< Aethaeryn> I'm a potential triple major.
20110212 04:05:46< Gambit> Until I get my driver's license. Then I can make the hour drive for the C++ class :D
20110212 04:05:47< Aethaeryn> Philosophy, computer science, mathematics.
20110212 04:05:52< Aethaeryn> But the latter is questionable.
20110212 04:05:58< Aethaeryn> Because no matter what I always get a damn low A.
20110212 04:06:13< Aethaeryn> So I figure eventually I'll hit a high enough level that it'll be Bs, and that'll make me too sad to take a full major
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20110212 04:06:36< Aethaeryn> Yeah, if it's under 95-96% I'm disappointed. ;-)
20110212 04:07:09< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I'm not sure you're taking a rigorous comp sci program.
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20110212 04:07:32< Aethaeryn> At my uni, you have to take a bunch of gateway courses before you can get to specialized topics
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20110212 04:10:22< Aethaeryn> Also, if you're not in Washington state, Windows isn't really in style.
20110212 04:10:55< Aethaeryn> Afaik, the more rigorous, mathy comp sci departments would prefer Unix.
20110212 04:11:09< Aethaeryn> Microsoft recruits at my campus and we still focus on Unix/Linux. :-P
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20110212 04:27:33< oldtopman> Is anyone gere?
20110212 04:27:36< oldtopman> here?
20110212 04:28:17< PetePorty> You need help?
20110212 04:28:58< oldtopman> I upgraded from 1.9.1 to the latest (1.8.5) and realised my mistake as it axed all of my saves.
20110212 04:29:06< oldtopman> Does a normal upgrade do that?
20110212 04:29:15< oldtopman> (1.9.1 to 1.9.4)
20110212 04:29:20< PetePorty> No.
20110212 04:29:41< PetePorty> 1.9 save files are compatible with other 1.9
20110212 04:29:48< oldtopman> Thanks!
20110212 04:29:48< PetePorty> But not with 1.8
20110212 04:29:53< PetePorty> No problem.
20110212 04:30:06< oldtopman> *goes back to his half-finished campaign*
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20110212 15:23:31< oldtopman> Is anyone here?
20110212 15:23:55< Crendgrim> yes
20110212 15:25:47< oldtopman> I just upgraded to 1.9.4 (1.9.1 -> 1.8.5 -> 1.9.4) and every time I load a map ( I've just tested TSG), the screen is all glitchy.
20110212 15:26:10< oldtopman> The errors are about five "Missing ".png" extension"
20110212 15:27:21< Crendgrim> what OS are you using?
20110212 15:28:06< oldtopman> Slackware Linux 13.1, 64 bit. Compiled from scratch, as were all of the other ones.
20110212 15:28:49< oldtopman> I can look into CMake if this isn't standard. The pervious ones had autogen, configure, and a makefile
20110212 15:29:05< oldtopman> This one is cmake, and a makefile.
20110212 15:30:48< oldtopman> Is SCons a dependency, or just another way to compile?
20110212 15:31:45< Crendgrim> the old autotools (configure / make / make install) isn't supported any more. Instead, there's now cmake and scons
20110212 15:32:45< oldtopman> *sobs*
20110212 15:32:51< oldtopman> cmake .
20110212 15:32:54< oldtopman> make -j5
20110212 15:33:00< oldtopman> make -j5 install
20110212 15:33:11< oldtopman> ^^ is the correct process correct?
20110212 15:33:57< Crendgrim> Ivanovic: Are you here? Maybe you could help ..
20110212 15:34:31< Ivanovic> oldtopman: you have probably old data that is conflicting
20110212 15:34:58< Ivanovic> oldtopman: have you removed the old installation before running make install with the different versions?
20110212 15:35:18< oldtopman> Nope.
20110212 15:35:26< Ivanovic> then do so manually
20110212 15:35:36< Ivanovic> probably /usr/local/*something*
20110212 15:35:52< oldtopman> I was pretty sure I was going to screw something up when I went from 1.9.1 to 1.8.5
20110212 15:35:54< Ivanovic> just search for a folder with "wesnoth" in its name in there and remove it before running "make install"
20110212 15:36:02< Ivanovic> and you have done so!
20110212 15:36:15< oldtopman> Can I do a make uninstall/make remove to fao that?
20110212 15:36:19< oldtopman> do that?
20110212 15:36:34< Ivanovic> might not work nicely since the files that were installed differ
20110212 15:36:43< Ivanovic> just remove the folders manually and be done
20110212 15:37:01< Ivanovic> (the most important part is the one with the data/ subfolder
20110212 15:37:11< oldtopman> Can I keep my .wesnoth saves?
20110212 15:37:28< Ivanovic> hmmm, you should not use 1.8.x saves with the dev version
20110212 15:37:33< Ivanovic> the same for addons
20110212 15:37:51< Ivanovic> and 1.9.x saves might be incompatible with more recent versions, too (yeah, this happens during dev versions)
20110212 15:38:09< oldtopman> I haven't used anything 1.8.x That was a mistake when I went form 1.9.1 to "latest"
20110212 15:38:13< Ivanovic> in general you will (unless you used some settings to configure it differently!) end with different folders for the userdata anyway
20110212 15:38:39< Ivanovic> in theory there is even no need to run make install at all, you can just run it with the data folder anywhere
20110212 15:38:54< Ivanovic>  ./wesnoth DATA/PATH
20110212 15:39:04< Aethaeryn> make install is actually the worst part
20110212 15:39:12< Ivanovic> if the wesnoth binary is right in the root of the place where you extracted the tarball, just run "./wesnoth ."
20110212 15:39:19< Aethaeryn> At least on my laptop back when I used to do it a few years ago, it took longer to install than to compile
20110212 15:39:25< Aethaeryn> Being impatient, I don't install.
20110212 15:39:42< oldtopman> I have an AMD X4 640 and I plan to use it.
20110212 15:39:59< oldtopman> ANyway, there is not a lot of stuff in /usr.share
20110212 15:40:03< Aethaeryn> Right, I have an i7 on my desktop.
20110212 15:40:12< Ivanovic> oldtopman: just remove the folder named "wesnoth"
20110212 15:40:23< Ivanovic> afterwards make install should work nicely for you
20110212 15:41:03< Aethaeryn> I like having a laptop that isn't omnipotent because it keeps me from playing games when I should be doing work of some sort.
20110212 15:41:04< oldtopman> Do you mean to check /usr/share, there is a lot of stuff in there, but almost nothing in /usr/local
20110212 15:43:29< oldtopman> You mean to remove /usr/local/bin/wesnoth and /usr/local/share/wesnoth/ amirite?
20110212 15:44:33< Aethaeryn> How would usr/local/bin/wesnoth affect things?
20110212 15:44:38< Aethaeryn> I guess it wouldn't hurt to remove it.
20110212 15:45:14< Aethaeryn> I think the issue is that some things aren't getting fully overwritten in the folder
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20110212 15:45:48< oldtopman> Aethaeryn: That is the executable itself.
20110212 15:46:12< Aethaeryn> Right, wouldn't it be totally overwritten if it's just one file?
20110212 15:46:17< oldtopman> usr/local/share/wesnoth/ is a dir with lost of trash in it
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20110212 15:54:48< oldtopman> Thanks everyone!
20110212 15:55:33< oldtopman> I did "make -j5 clean" "cmake ." "make -j5" "make -j5 uninstall" "make -j5 install"
20110212 15:55:51< oldtopman> j5 is a tag that gets you 5 paralell builds at once.
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20110212 15:56:36< Aethaeryn> Why not all of that in one line separated by a semicolon?
20110212 15:58:00< Aethaeryn> Ah, wow, scons supports that -j stuff too
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20110212 16:12:14< Aethaeryn> Wow, that's actually a very useful tag
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20110212 19:59:54< jo-erlend> I have a silver mage. It says it is teleport, but how do I use it?
20110212 20:00:26< Softly> you can travel between any of your own villages
20110212 20:00:53< Softly> without penalty (iirc)
20110212 20:05:43< jo-erlend> oh.
20110212 20:06:00< jo-erlend> Ah, that works! thanks :)
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20110212 20:54:46< vultraz> augh. I'm in SXRPG surrounded by like 50 enemies all all my guys with low HP and like two dozed revives :(   
20110212 20:55:23< vultraz> mostly high lvl 3 100-300 hp enemies
20110212 20:56:20< vultraz> with about 3 dozed more coming to join the fight :( :( :(
20110212 21:02:27< jo-erlend> SXRPG?
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20110212 21:05:52< vultraz> the SXRPG add-on
20110212 21:06:00< vultraz> WizardOfWar2
20110212 21:07:04< jo-erlend> oh. I'm entirely new to Wenoth.. :) 
20110212 21:07:38< jo-erlend> don't know what an SXRPG add-on is. 
20110212 21:08:07< vultraz> look on the 1.8 add-ons server
20110212 21:08:11< vultraz> search for SX
20110212 21:08:36< vultraz> i advise getting both results, they are AWESOME
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20110212 21:19:48< jo-erlend> that was quite a number of add-ons. What do they do? 
20110212 21:20:02< jo-erlend> ... are they like expansions? 
20110212 21:20:44< Crendgrim> yes
20110212 21:20:56< jo-erlend> oh :)
20110212 21:21:13< zookeeper> they add new stuff, and the add-on browser shows the type. a campaign, era, MP scenario, ...
20110212 21:21:21< Crendgrim> some add-ons are new campaigns, others new maps (for multiplayer) or only resources for other add-on-creators
20110212 21:21:40< zookeeper> there's not really any which modify the game as it is.
20110212 21:22:53< jo-erlend> nice. 
20110212 21:23:44< Crendgrim> zookeeper: Well.. some add-ons have their own rules, for example Settlers of Wesnoth. That's in no way "standard wesnoth" :/
20110212 21:25:19< jo-erlend> what is an "MP era"?
20110212 21:25:38< vultraz> set of units arranged in a custom way
20110212 21:25:44< vultraz> for multiplayer
20110212 21:26:50< jo-erlend> what do you mean by "arranged in a custom way"?
20110212 21:29:06< vultraz> well, take a look at the default era
20110212 21:29:24< vultraz> they have undead, northerners, drakes, etc
20110212 21:29:50< vultraz> but in other eras u might have filinians, mages, skeletons, etc
20110212 21:31:39< jo-erlend> oh, ok.
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20110212 21:36:39< jo-erlend> so.. You could make an addon with vikings and christians, for instance? Could you also change the realm, or is it always the same?
20110212 21:39:53< Gambit> Might want to use something other than Christians.
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20110212 21:45:24< jo-erlend> Gambit, like cowboys and indians? :)
20110212 21:46:03< Gambit> You know... I don't think that's been done yet. :D
20110212 21:46:31< jo-erlend> but you could? Could you also change the realm, or would it be cowboys and indians in Wesnoth? :)
20110212 21:46:57< Gambit> What do you mean by realm?
20110212 21:47:04< Gambit> You can make custom maps.
20110212 21:47:32< Gambit> They are whereever you tell the player they are.
20110212 21:47:54< Gambit> You could say they're fighting on Venus if you wanted.
20110212 21:47:59< jo-erlend> well, in a campaign, you move from place to place in Wesnoth, right? I mean, on the map you see when you run Wesnoth. Could you change that map?
20110212 21:48:05< zookeeper> yes
20110212 21:48:06< Gambit> Oh yes.
20110212 21:50:10< jo-erlend> this one, for instance? http://www.woodge.com/books/maps/map_Tolkien_MiddleEarth.jpg :D
20110212 21:50:31< Gambit> No. Because that is copyrighted.
20110212 21:50:42< jo-erlend> yes, but except for that. :)
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