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20110213 00:42:27< Dominus_> Good night, or something like 
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20110213 00:44:02< Dominus_> someone can help me and explain how to put out the border in action game .. because we cant recuit the last hexa that is too close to the border...
20110213 00:44:37< zookeeper> you can't do anything in/on/with border hexes. there's nothing more to it than that, really.
20110213 00:46:10< Dominus_> ok so is a problem with tha map our base is too close to border so the last hesa for to recruit cant be used
20110213 00:46:21< Dominus_> hexas*
20110213 00:46:49< Dominus_> like in map assassins....
20110213 00:49:27< Dominus_> Thanks for the help... see you soon .... best regards
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20110213 03:39:39< Taco_Princess> hi, PetePorty 
20110213 03:41:17< PetePorty> Hey mate!
20110213 03:41:43< PetePorty> Taco_Princess: convince Gambit to play a match of BG with us and then something else, and I'll be right there.
20110213 03:41:50< Taco_Princess> Poked Gambit much lately? :P
20110213 03:41:52< PetePorty> (In fact, I just joined the lobby. >.<)
20110213 03:42:04< Taco_Princess> I'm actually playing PS3 right now
20110213 03:42:16< Taco_Princess> I can play if you really want me to, though :P
20110213 03:42:26< PetePorty> Nah, go play PS3
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20110213 03:46:11< oldtopman> Is anyone here?
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20110213 03:46:47< PetePorty> oldtopman: you need help?
20110213 03:47:10< oldtopman> Yes.
20110213 03:47:17< PetePorty> By the way, there are 63 people here, incase you were wondering. You and other 62.
20110213 03:47:28< PetePorty> oldtopman: Then ask, someone surely will help you.
20110213 03:47:39< oldtopman> #arduino is usually silent, with 202 users.
20110213 03:48:01< PetePorty> But's we're awesome like that.
20110213 03:48:05< Taco_Princess> oldtopman: ;o
20110213 03:48:13< oldtopman> UOh, well thaen
20110213 03:49:30< oldtopman> I was playing TSG (1.9.4 Compiled cmake Slackware 13.1 32 bit) and There is an error when it tries to load the 5ift scenario
20110213 03:49:33< oldtopman> *oldtopman smashes kayboard*
20110213 03:49:55< PetePorty> Hmmm...
20110213 03:50:01< PetePorty> What is the error?
20110213 03:50:11< oldtopman> Wait just a minute.
20110213 03:50:14< PetePorty> Ok.
20110213 03:51:22< oldtopman> Have you played TSG?
20110213 03:51:37< PetePorty> Yes, about a year or two ago.
20110213 03:52:35< oldtopman> Do you remember the level where you have to go find the sage in the village surrounded by two lakes?
20110213 03:52:41< PetePorty> Sadly, I don't have 1.9.4 in this computer.
20110213 03:53:09< PetePorty> oldtopman: No, I don't really remember anything but the first scenario.
20110213 03:53:18< PetePorty> oldtopman: but do post your error here.
20110213 03:53:31< oldtopman> A shame, quite a good scenario.
20110213 03:54:08< PetePorty> Alright, that's scenario 4.
20110213 03:54:13< PetePorty> What about it?
20110213 03:54:51< oldtopman> As the Shyde ends the scenario, a dialog pops up saying "Usage of [removeitem] is depreciated, use [remove_item] instead."
20110213 03:55:08< PetePorty> Hmmm...
20110213 03:55:22< PetePorty> oldtopman: did you file a bug report?
20110213 03:55:51< oldtopman> When you pass all of the dialogs, you get this error.
20110213 03:56:15< PetePorty> oldtopman: in case you're just interested in playing, you can go to your last autosave, press ":" and type "debug", after pressing enter, press ":" again and then "n".
20110213 03:56:26< PetePorty> Oh, at the beggining of the next scenario?
20110213 03:56:34< PetePorty> Or at the end of scenario 4?
20110213 03:57:01< oldtopman> Unknown Scenario: 5_in_the_tears
20110213 03:57:01< oldtopman> I have yet to file a bugrep
20110213 03:57:26< PetePorty> Hmmm...
20110213 03:57:32< oldtopman> At the end of scenario 4 ( i assume) when you click the end scenario button, that happens.
20110213 03:58:29< oldtopman> It looks like the level is missing.
20110213 03:59:32< PetePorty> oldtopman: Are you using Windows?
20110213 04:00:52< Taco_Princess> I think he already said he was using Slackware
20110213 04:01:17< oldtopman> So I need to file a bugrep eh?
20110213 04:01:40< oldtopman> <oldtopman> I was playing TSG (1.9.4 Compiled cmake Slackware 13.1 32 bit) and There is an error when it tries to load the 5ift scenario
20110213 04:01:45< PetePorty> Yeah...
20110213 04:02:00< PetePorty> Well, I assume you know how to reach the wesnoth folder anyways?
20110213 04:02:24< oldtopman> The one the saves are stored in? (~/.local/share/wesnoth)
20110213 04:02:30< PetePorty> No.
20110213 04:02:44< PetePorty> home/.wesnoth1.9
20110213 04:02:56< oldtopman> That folder doesn't exist.
20110213 04:03:08< PetePorty> That's in Ubuntu ,I assume it must be simillar...
20110213 04:03:08< shadowmaster> ~/.local/share/wesnoth is correct on some configurations
20110213 04:03:20< PetePorty> Alright.
20110213 04:03:29 * PetePorty goees back to my hole
20110213 04:03:52< PetePorty> Actually, you were right all along..
20110213 04:04:05< PetePorty> Yes, in .local/share/wesnoth
20110213 04:04:24< oldtopman> So what do you wan't me to do?
20110213 04:04:48< PetePorty> Locate the campaign you're playing.
20110213 04:05:14< oldtopman> And send you the save?
20110213 04:05:16< PetePorty> Data/campaigns
20110213 04:05:22< PetePorty> No.
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20110213 04:05:35< PetePorty> The_South_Guard
20110213 04:06:03< PetePorty> The_South_Guard/scenarios
20110213 04:06:33< PetePorty> ~/.local/share/wesnoth/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios
20110213 04:06:54< oldtopman> NONONO. That stuff is in /usr/local/share/wesnoth
20110213 04:07:05< PetePorty> Dear lord...
20110213 04:07:14< PetePorty> Well, there then.
20110213 04:07:18< PetePorty> Sorry.
20110213 04:07:30< oldtopman> Anyway, what now.
20110213 04:07:45< PetePorty> Oppen the file called 04_<something>
20110213 04:07:48< oldtopman> Sorry if I sound flustered, it's been a rough day on IRC
20110213 04:07:56< PetePorty> It's called Cale of Tears in 1.8
20110213 04:08:04< PetePorty> oldtopman: Nah.
20110213 04:08:12< PetePorty> Vale if Tears*
20110213 04:08:17< PetePorty> of*
20110213 04:08:49< oldtopman> chill out, I speak typonesian
20110213 04:08:56< PetePorty> lol.
20110213 04:08:57< PetePorty> Ok.
20110213 04:09:39< oldtopman> In the data for that campaign, there are a few folders: images, maps, scenarios, units, utils
20110213 04:09:40< PetePorty> where it says next_scenario=5_<something>
20110213 04:09:47< PetePorty> What is the <something>?
20110213 04:09:52< PetePorty> scenarios
20110213 04:10:47< oldtopman> next_scenario=05_Choice_in_the_Fog
20110213 04:11:07< PetePorty> Ok, now close that document and open number 5
20110213 04:11:34< oldtopman> And behind document number five...
20110213 04:11:43< PetePorty> id=?
20110213 04:12:29< oldtopman> id=04_Vale_of_Tears
20110213 04:12:38< PetePorty> In number 5?
20110213 04:12:43< PetePorty> Well, that's wrong...
20110213 04:12:50< PetePorty> What was it in number 4?
20110213 04:12:52< oldtopman> whoops, wrong doc
20110213 04:12:53< oldtopman> id=05_Choice_in_the_Fog
20110213 04:12:58< PetePorty> Oh...
20110213 04:13:03< PetePorty> Well, that is bad...
20110213 04:13:41< oldtopman> How?
20110213 04:13:55< PetePorty> It's bad in a sense that I don't know what is wrong.
20110213 04:14:07< PetePorty> oldtopman: did you try the debug command I gave you?
20110213 04:14:13< oldtopman> Nope.
20110213 04:14:21< PetePorty> Ok, load the last auto save.
20110213 04:14:32< PetePorty> :debug
20110213 04:14:35< PetePorty> and then
20110213 04:14:38< PetePorty> :n
20110213 04:15:18< oldtopman> Same unknown scenario doohickey.
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20110213 04:15:27< PetePorty> [23:57:01] <oldtopman> Unknown Scenario: 5_in_the_tears
20110213 04:15:39< PetePorty> That is strange, since that is not the name of the scenario...
20110213 04:15:41< PetePorty> Hmm...
20110213 04:18:12< oldtopman> Shall I make it skip to 6?
20110213 04:18:42< PetePorty> oldtopman: Well, I guess, if there is no other choice.
20110213 04:18:58< PetePorty> oldtopman: I'll see if the campaign maintainer isn't away, and maybe he can help you.
20110213 04:19:15< PetePorty> if not, a bug report would be helpful: https://gna.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=wesnoth
20110213 04:19:53< oldtopman> Thanks!
20110213 04:20:54< oldtopman> Unknown Scenario: choice in the fog...
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20110213 04:21:21< oldtopman> Whatever. When you guys get this fixed, I'm gonna beat it then.
20110213 04:21:28< VurtualRuler98> Is it just missing?
20110213 04:21:32< VurtualRuler98> Or maybe misplaced/typoed?
20110213 04:22:00< oldtopman> It shouldn't be either of them as I just told it to skip the "missing" level.
20110213 04:22:06< PetePorty> oldtopman: the maintainer seems to be either busy or away, I'm sorry...
20110213 04:22:20< oldtopman> *sobs*
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20110213 04:23:04< PetePorty> But if you file a bug report, it might be helpful.
20110213 04:23:19< PetePorty> Also, in case you stay here, one of the other maintainers comes frequently.
20110213 04:23:44< Gambit> PetePorty: 
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20110213 04:32:49< oldtopman> http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17720
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20110213 04:35:37< Espreon> Sigh...
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20110213 05:47:05< un214> I am in posession of some definitely public domain recordings.
20110213 05:47:19< un214> orchestra music, mostly
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20110213 05:51:19< Aethaeryn> un214: Cool.
20110213 05:51:28< Aethaeryn> Gotta love the ever-shrinking public domain, eh?
20110213 05:51:42< Aethaeryn> Too bad most of the 20th century is locked away.
20110213 05:51:48< un214> 1920s aren't
20110213 05:52:03< Aethaeryn> I'm aware
20110213 05:52:19< un214> 1917 player doesn't need power
20110213 05:52:39< Espreon> Ah, the 1920s... gotta love some of the slang from that era. "The cat's eyebrow"...
20110213 05:52:46< Aethaeryn> To guestimate how long copyright law lasts, use the M constant.
20110213 05:52:55< Aethaeryn> Where M is roughly the years since Micky Mouse (R) was first drawn.
20110213 05:53:40< un214> yea I'm familiar
20110213 05:54:09< un214> could easily get a digital recording of this stuff, but no way to get rid of phonograph's inherent scratchyness
20110213 05:54:12< Aethaeryn> Essentially, the government is doing something unconstitutional by having perpetual copyright law.
20110213 05:54:26< Aethaeryn> But as long as they pretend that it's not and just extend it before it expires, the courts won't do anything.
20110213 05:55:11< Aethaeryn> un214: Well, you could possibly just use that as part of the theme somehow.
20110213 05:55:56< un214> perhaps
20110213 05:56:37< Aethaeryn> Or maybe there's software...
20110213 05:56:58< un214> now that would be impressive
20110213 05:57:15< Aethaeryn> Well, I didn't say it'd totally automate it.
20110213 05:57:41< Aethaeryn> In the real world, if the process exists it's probably painful
20110213 05:58:20< un214> it would be quite entertaining to find one of these, you tube it, wait for google's content id to decide it's somebody else's recording of the same piece, and force google to deal with their own madness
20110213 05:59:27< un214> the scratching is an essentially periodic sound
20110213 05:59:37< un214> maybe it's possible to isolate and subtract
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20110213 09:07:17< vultraz> is it possible to make all the custom terrain from SXRPG in 1.8.5 be available in the 1.9.4 editor?
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20110213 09:43:48< vultraz> anyone?
20110213 09:45:08< vultraz> I'm borrowing quite a bit of SX and SXRPG stuff for my mp campaign, but i don't know how to use the terrain
20110213 09:47:01< vultraz> hope mabuse and the SXC team won't mind
20110213 09:48:42< Crendgrim> there must be some files with [terrain_type] definitions in them in the SXRPG directory
20110213 09:55:31< vultraz> but how does that let the custom SXRPG terrain appear in the 1.9.4 map editor
20110213 09:56:50< Crendgrim> are there both a terrain.cfg and a terrain-graphics.cfg?
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20110213 10:01:39< vultraz> i see the former but not the latter
20110213 10:03:27< Crendgrim> maybe everything is included in the terrain.cfg .. try copying it into your campaign directory (and make sure it is parsed). Then look for the images used by the [terrain_type] tags and copy them also into your folder
20110213 10:03:46< Crendgrim> maybe you have to adjust something, I don't know if the devs changed something about the terrains in 1.9
20110213 10:05:02< vultraz> but how do i get the terrain into the editor?
20110213 10:05:30< Crendgrim> in the editor all known terrains are listed
20110213 10:06:14< vultraz> even for mp campaigns? 
20110213 10:06:38< Crendgrim> maybe you'll need to add a #ifdef EDITOR .. #endif routine to your _main.cfg in which you include the terrain configs (depending on how you include that file(s))
20110213 10:06:39< Crendgrim> yes
20110213 10:07:24< Crendgrim> of course, if you use custom terrain / units, every player who wants to play that campaign with you must have the add-on installed
20110213 10:07:24< vultraz> ok
20110213 10:07:33< vultraz> that's ok
20110213 10:09:17< vultraz> i think
20110213 10:09:41< vultraz> it's just that the SXRPG units/terrain is awesome
20110213 10:10:12< vultraz> did mabuse do all that?
20110213 10:10:15< Crendgrim> I never saw / played that.. what's SXRPG for a type of add-on?
20110213 10:11:11< vultraz> search for SX in the 1.8 add-ons server
20110213 10:11:45< Crendgrim> I'll do that later..
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20110213 10:43:47< hosomaki> hi all
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20110213 11:31:07< nital> ... I can't turn on the old recruit list back, can I?
20110213 11:31:25< nital> (in trunk)
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20110213 11:37:34< Ivanovic> moin
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20110213 12:57:02< jo-erlend> isn't it so that different characters have different speeds through different terrains? 
20110213 12:57:24< zookeeper> yes
20110213 12:57:28< Ivanovic> different unit types
20110213 12:57:45< zookeeper> select a unit, hover over some terrains and look at the top right of the screen
20110213 12:58:01< zookeeper> or just go to the unit description and look at the defense/movement table
20110213 13:01:23< jo-erlend> hmm. I'm looking at the unit description page, but I don't see any defense/movement table?
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20110213 13:01:48< jo-erlend> oh, I'm sorry. It's a column in the Terrain Modifiers table. :)
20110213 13:02:45< jo-erlend> but what does white and yellow numbers mean? 
20110213 13:03:27< zookeeper> red = bad, yellow = not good, white = ok, green = good, IIRC
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20110213 13:04:25< jo-erlend> oh, ok. Thanks. 
20110213 13:05:13< jo-erlend> There is a bug, I think. When I switch from windowed to fullscreen mode, I can no longer scroll down on the map. I have to quit the application and restart it. Kinda annoying. It's in 1.8 in Ubuntu 10.04.
20110213 13:07:46< jo-erlend> no, let me rephrase that. I don't actually enable fullscreen in the game. I use the WM to just set the window in fullscreen. It seems to be working when I use fullscreen in the game, but is there a shortcut for that?
20110213 13:08:04< Gambit> ctrl+f
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20110213 13:09:03< jo-erlend> ah. Thanks. :)
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20110213 14:00:24< jo-erlend> ctrl+f doesn't work when in between scenarios. That must be a bug. 
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20110213 14:09:32< verstecken> Hi all
20110213 14:10:02< verstecken> where can i find a detailed guide to races of wesnoth?
20110213 14:11:17< zookeeper> what's a guide to a race?
20110213 14:11:24< zookeeper> maybe you meant factions
20110213 14:11:36< verstecken> yep
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20110213 14:12:36< zookeeper> verstecken, i guess http://wiki.wesnoth.org/How_to_play... is a good start, although i don't know how up-to-date they are.
20110213 14:13:13< zookeeper> some little details might be outdated but since no drastic changes tend to happen, they ought to be all right.
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20110213 14:14:48< verstecken> o yeah thanks
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20110213 16:03:38< jo-erlend> is there any limit to how many players there can be in an online game?
20110213 16:04:22< shadowmaster> 9 playing sides maximum
20110213 16:04:56< shadowmaster> there's no such restriction in singleplayer, although it'll not be possible to add starting locations for sides 10 and greater in the map editor
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20110213 16:05:05< jo-erlend> nine is nice. 
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20110213 17:29:18< Soul_keeper> takes hours to get a game going with people that aren't quitters ...
20110213 17:29:42< Soul_keeper> I just want to play 2 player team survival
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20110213 17:32:25< oldtopman> How do you edit a savefile?
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20110213 17:36:24< oldtopman> Is anyone even here?
20110213 17:37:03< Taco_Princess> oldtopman: it seems as if you ask that question every day >_>
20110213 17:37:15< Taco_Princess> Have you tried just extracting the file and editing it with a text editor?
20110213 17:37:18< oldtopman> For the last three days yeah :(
20110213 17:37:40< oldtopman> I did that and recompressed it into a .gz and it sez corrupted.
20110213 17:38:44< oldtopman> *oldtopman ealizes he could uncheck the "Compress Saves" box*
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20110213 17:41:49< Taco_Princess> oldtopman: try using peazip, 7zip, or winrar, they all should be able to extract .tar.gz files
20110213 17:42:53< oldtopman> I just checked the don't compress saves box, then resaved it.
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20110213 17:54:25< Soul_keeper> why are some nicknames white in the lobby ?
20110213 17:54:43< oldtopman> Because they are idle.
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20110213 17:54:55< Soul_keeper> ok
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20110213 19:45:52< jo-erlend> is there any limit to how many scenarios there can be in a campaign? 
20110213 19:49:56< zookeeper> jo-erlend, no
20110213 19:50:46< jo-erlend> cool. 
20110213 19:50:51< jo-erlend> I like the long ones :)
20110213 19:51:32< shadowmaster> be aware that not many people like long campaigns, and that balancing such becomes exponentially harder
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20110213 20:11:11< jo-erlend> shadowmaster, I'm just curious at this point. It'll be quite some time before I even begin to think about making any addons. :)
20110213 20:11:40< jo-erlend> btw... Someone just told me about something called Heroes of Wesnoth, but I can't really find much information about it. What is it?
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20110213 20:55:19< ancestral> Hey, I'm bored. Who wants to play a game?
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20110213 21:31:56< oldtopman> *sobs* I'll miss you _pickle.
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