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20110302 00:55:44< CIA-33> grzywacz * r48705 /trunk/src/display.cpp: Fixed small typos, removed "temporary" code that's been commented out for over 2 years now.
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20110302 02:54:22< Taco_Princess> Hey, could someone please direct me to the feature request page?
20110302 02:54:40< Taco_Princess> I don't have any specific reqeusts but was just curious about requests that others made
20110302 02:54:53< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/?group=wesnoth
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20110302 02:57:40< Taco_Princess> Espreon:  Thanks ;o
20110302 02:58:03< Espreon> No prob.
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20110302 06:35:44< CIA-33> shadowmaster * r48706 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Revised release notes for language correctness
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20110302 10:15:46< Ivanovic> moin
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20110302 12:48:32< akzfowl2> can anyone tell me if wesnoth is planning to participate in gsoc this year?
20110302 12:52:30< elias> akzfowl2: yes
20110302 12:54:34< akzfowl2> can anyone tell me how i can set up the development environment? i  have been playing wesnoth on and off for the past 6 months and thought this would be the perfect chance to actually get in on the development
20110302 12:56:35< elias> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnoth
20110302 12:56:49< elias> that should work I think
20110302 12:58:22< akzfowl2> ok thanks a lot
20110302 12:58:51< akzfowl2> any advise on where i should get started? am i at a disadvantage if i start today?
20110302 13:00:20< Ivanovic> we have not even *submitted* the application to google so far
20110302 13:00:42< Ivanovic> after the deadline of submission (yeah, we will most likely make it in time ;) ) we have to wait if we are accepted
20110302 13:00:53< Ivanovic> only after this we can start the "real" screening of students
20110302 13:00:59< Ivanovic> so no, you are not late at all
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20110302 13:02:57< akzfowl2> i meant it in terms of the fact that i have never contributed before and the code for wesnoth is definitely going to take some getting used to 
20110302 13:03:12< Ivanovic> that is true for most people accepted later on
20110302 13:03:26< akzfowl2> i would like to enquire about the level of knowledge required for a person to contribute
20110302 13:03:52< Ivanovic> it always depends on what you want to do
20110302 13:04:00< Ivanovic> some areas are harder, some more easy
20110302 13:04:10< Ivanovic> it also depends on what exactly you want to do
20110302 13:05:30< akzfowl2> what would you suggest for a newbie? :)  i had a look at the easy coding and not-so-easy coding pages and i reckon i need to familiarize myself with the several classes quite a bit before i can submit any patches or code
20110302 13:06:22< Ivanovic> my recommendation is: work on something you are interested in
20110302 13:06:46< Ivanovic> even if it is a little harder from the technical level, it might be easier to manage because you have *fun* with it
20110302 13:07:01< Ivanovic> the wesnoth codebase is too huge for any single person to really know everything anyway
20110302 13:08:20< akzfowl2> i had that in mind but i cant exactly pin point which part of the game i am most interested in.... 
20110302 13:08:42< akzfowl2> ai looks interesting but i am not sure how a beginner would do it
20110302 13:09:26< akzfowl2> could you tell me what prerequisites a person might need to get involved?
20110302 13:09:41< Ivanovic> for AI?
20110302 13:09:55< Ivanovic> you should ask Crab_, he is the one with the best knowledge of this area atm
20110302 13:11:09< akzfowl2> not necessarily only for AI, for contributing in general. i have decent knowledge of c++ and basic knowledge of python
20110302 13:11:52< akzfowl2> i have never used lua before but when i saw the code, it didnt necessarily look daunting so i am pretty sure i can learn it fast
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20110302 13:14:01< Ivanovic> c++ is already enough for the general codebase
20110302 13:14:21< Ivanovic> lua is used to provide some "coding capabilities" in the WML files
20110302 13:14:55< Ivanovic> and python is used for some "extra tools", mainly meant for checking that wml files are up to date, updating stuff there automagically, extracting websites based on the info and stuff like this
20110302 13:15:04< Ivanovic> for the game itself python is *not* used
20110302 13:15:48< akzfowl2> ok i think c++ should be my main area of focus then
20110302 13:18:17< Ivanovic> and there is also WML, the "wesnoth markup language"
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20110302 13:18:33< Ivanovic> it is mainly used to define content like campaigns, scenarios, units, ...
20110302 13:18:39< akzfowl2> are new contributors at a disadvantage when it comes to applications? how much experience in the code base must a person have in order to go through with an idea?
20110302 13:19:07< Ivanovic> you have to show us that you have the basic abilities in the area that it is likely you are able to get the project done
20110302 13:19:36< akzfowl2> oh yeah i completely forgot about that. do you think making a campaign would help me understand the way wml works?
20110302 13:19:40< Ivanovic> so eg if you propose some "extremely high level" c++ project but show that you barely know any c++ you don't have a good chance
20110302 13:19:53< Ivanovic> ah, no real need to learn wml
20110302 13:20:04< Ivanovic> works really similar to eg html, plain markup and that's it
20110302 13:20:53< mayanks43> how do you show you know this level of C++? bugs or projects?
20110302 13:21:04< Ivanovic> mayanks43: you show us code samples
20110302 13:21:16< Ivanovic> and of course we prefer patches against our codebase
20110302 13:21:24< mayanks43> k
20110302 13:21:38< Ivanovic> since those are more likely to come from you and it also shows that you are able to get into the codebase that we have
20110302 13:22:02< mayanks43> ya for beginners we may not have enough projects
20110302 13:22:44< akzfowl2> in order to begin hacking the code, i just have to build wesnoth right?
20110302 13:22:50< Ivanovic> akzfowl2: yeah
20110302 13:23:07< Crab_> mayanks43: one of the best ways to get involved is to find an area which needs improvement and try to improve it. for example, there are a lot of things that can be done to improve lua ai support.
20110302 13:23:46< mayanks43> any place i can check for feature requests such as that?
20110302 13:23:53< Crab_> mayanks43: and yes, to do that, you need to compile wesnoth beforehand
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20110302 13:24:24< Crab_> mayanks43: well, you need to pick an area which might interest you and ask around in the irc channel.
20110302 13:24:33< mayanks43> ok
20110302 13:24:34< Crab_> soon, there'll be project idea descriptions in the wiki, too
20110302 13:24:50< mayanks43> i saw one eclipse plugin project
20110302 13:24:53< akzfowl2> thanks a lot for the help guys. i'll be setting it up today and hopefully i can get into it by the weekend
20110302 13:25:05< Ivanovic> mayanks43: if you got no ideas yourself you can also look at bugs.wesnoth.org (there are bugs as well as feature requests listed)
20110302 13:25:14< mayanks43> k
20110302 13:25:26< Ivanovic> not all feature requests might actually be wanted or still valid, but it *might* give you an idea what other people think is missing
20110302 13:25:42< mayanks43> ya
20110302 13:25:58< akzfowl2> ok
20110302 13:26:01< Crab_> for example, for lua ai, a good way to start would be to check the 'lua ai test scenario' and find out (in the code) how things are implemented.
20110302 13:27:01< Crab_> then you'll immediately see a lot of things that are missing.
20110302 13:27:44< mayanks43> svn checkout is approx 200mbs?
20110302 13:28:01< Ivanovic> mayanks43: more!
20110302 13:28:05< mayanks43> :P
20110302 13:28:12< Ivanovic> the space required on harddrive is about 1GB
20110302 13:28:19< akzfowl2> lol
20110302 13:28:39< Ivanovic> but since everything is there twice in svn the download size (compression!) is below 500MB (but above 310MB)
20110302 13:29:15< Crab_> Ivanovic: afair, for a debug build, even more free space is required )
20110302 13:29:28< Ivanovic> Crab_: this is without any temp files from building
20110302 13:29:42< mayanks43> I just wanted to know download size
20110302 13:29:45< Ivanovic> for building you need more space, he just asked about the space required for the *checkout*
20110302 13:29:49< Crab_> ok :)
20110302 13:29:57< Ivanovic> download size is somewhere between 310 and 500MB
20110302 13:30:04< mayanks43> ok
20110302 13:31:01< mayanks43> thanks a lot. I better go checkout stuff.
20110302 13:31:13< akzfowl2> ya thanks a lot guys
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20110302 16:42:57< fendrin> hi Sirp
20110302 16:43:20< fendrin> Sirp: I have read through the logs and seen that you asked for a MP Campaign. 
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20110302 17:03:46< Sirp> fendrin: yes... :)
20110302 17:05:04< fendrin> Sirp: As you may remember from the FOSDEM I have started to port "Legend of Wesmere" into a cooperative Multiplayer campaign.
20110302 17:05:14< fendrin> There is a playable version in 1.8.
20110302 17:05:34< Sirp> fendrin: oh so it is playable?
20110302 17:05:38< fendrin> Well
20110302 17:05:50< fendrin> It is not finished.
20110302 17:05:57< fendrin> The 1.8 version.
20110302 17:06:10< fendrin> The multiplayer port does not feature all scenarios from singleplayer.
20110302 17:06:26< fendrin> I aim for a full port in 1.10.
20110302 17:07:00< fendrin> The 1.9 version does have many more features but it's in an early state.
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20110302 17:16:30< timotei> fendrin: doesn't LoW already have a MP?
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20110302 17:22:26< fendrin> timotei: yes, there is a version in 1.8
20110302 17:22:39< fendrin> timotei: that is the one that does not feature all the scenarios.
20110302 17:22:56< fendrin> timotei: the 1.9 version will feture all scenarios.
20110302 17:23:39< timotei> oh. nice:)
20110302 17:24:03< fendrin> But there are still several different problems to solve.
20110302 17:25:05< fendrin> wesbot: seen yogihh
20110302 17:25:06< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick YogiHH last spoke 7d 19h ago.  7d 15h ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]
20110302 17:32:07< fendrin> timotei: Would you like to playtest the first chapter with me?
20110302 17:32:44< timotei> fendrin: I promised to not play any game till 21/03 :( - too much playing and no work done :P
20110302 17:33:05< fendrin> I see.
20110302 17:33:06< timotei> I did the same promise (to myself) during GSoC too, so i can focus on things :D
20110302 17:33:18< fendrin> :-)
20110302 17:33:26< timotei> and it's very good, I allow myself to play just in holidays xD
20110302 17:36:21< fendrin> Ah well.
20110302 17:36:29< fendrin> Playing Legend of Wesmere is no fun more.
20110302 17:36:44< fendrin> If you are the maintainer of the campaign you don't like playing it.
20110302 17:37:00< fendrin> It is hard work to do the testing.
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20110302 17:38:52< timotei> yeah
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20110302 17:47:12< CIA-33> esr * r48707 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/06_Swamps_of_Illuven.cfg: Fix a modernism.
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20110302 19:05:46< fendrin> is the scons building system working atm?
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20110302 19:24:24< Crendgrim> is anywhere a list of recent revisions?
20110302 19:25:20< fendrin> Crendgrim: hmmm?
20110302 19:26:55< Crendgrim> fendrin: A list in which the last revisions are listed
20110302 19:27:12< fendrin> svn revisions?
20110302 19:27:18< Crendgrim> yes, sry
20110302 19:27:22< fendrin> svn log
20110302 19:27:29< fendrin> at the commandline
20110302 19:27:35< fendrin> svn log | less
20110302 19:27:47< Crendgrim> I knew there was an easy way... thanks
20110302 19:27:56< fendrin> :-)
20110302 19:28:02< Gambit> fendrin: I'll let you know in a few minutes.
20110302 19:28:09< Gambit> It's chowing down on translation updates atm.
20110302 19:28:26< fendrin> hi Gambit
20110302 19:28:49< fendrin> Gambit: Do you have time and motivation to playtest LoW multiplayer with me?
20110302 19:29:05< Gambit> Sadly no.
20110302 19:29:16< Crendgrim> fendrin: Hm.. the list only list the last few revs. Why did I have to re-download nearly all images?
20110302 19:29:26< Gambit> I'm running back and forth cooking lunch and then I have to get ready for a class tonight.
20110302 19:30:11< Crendgrim> he... my terminal doesn't work any more..
20110302 19:30:25< Crendgrim> that's why I cannot see more than 5 revs... 
20110302 19:31:00< iwontbecreative> Crendrgrim: All images because the script to optimize image size failed
20110302 19:31:16< Crendgrim> iwontbecreative: Thanks :)
20110302 19:32:59< iwontbecreative> wesbot: seen mordante
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20110302 19:35:17< Gambit> I'm pretty sure this thing is recompiling every file.
20110302 19:38:20< Gambit> fendrin: Yes it's working.
20110302 19:38:29< Crendgrim> is scons able to handle multiple threads?
20110302 19:38:49< Gambit> scons -j#
20110302 19:39:05< Crendgrim> thanks.. woo, it's finished
20110302 19:39:09< Crendgrim> fendrin: Also works for me
20110302 19:41:13< iwontbecreative> Who maintains pofix.py?
20110302 19:41:44< iwontbecreative> It looks like the wesnoth-ei key in dictionnary is duplicated
20110302 19:42:09< iwontbecreative> So one of them erased by the other
20110302 19:44:16< fendrin> Gambit, Crendgrim: Thank you. It must be something I messed up localy...
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20110302 19:57:04< mordante> servus
20110302 19:57:20< iwontbecreative> Hi
20110302 19:57:29< mordante> hi iwontbecreative 
20110302 19:58:25< iwontbecreative> mordante: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/zeDU4X6k
20110302 19:58:57< mordante> ok will have a look in a sec, reading the log
20110302 19:59:04< iwontbecreative> Ok
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20110302 20:00:14< CIA-33> fendrin * r48708 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/wml_message.cpp: Fixed EXPERIMENTAL_LISTBOX flag not compiling.
20110302 20:00:24< fendrin> mordante: ^
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20110302 20:14:25< mordante> thanks fendrin 
20110302 20:15:13< mordante> iwontbecreative, found a minor bug http://paste.debian.net/109379/
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20110302 20:15:43< mordante> other then that minor issue the output before and after is the same :-)
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20110302 20:28:37< iwontbecreative> Fails when removed?
20110302 20:28:41< iwontbecreative> Not sure I understood
20110302 20:29:33< mordante> if you remove the line wiki_grabber will complain
20110302 20:30:02< mordante> this is a modification to the editor/brush.cpp
20110302 20:31:20< iwontbecreative> Hmm, works here
20110302 20:31:24< iwontbecreative> Error message?
20110302 20:32:36< mordante> Empty container:
20110302 20:32:36< mordante>      @end{description}
20110302 20:33:42< CIA-33> eleazar * r48709 /trunk/ (26 files in 3 dirs): new water lilies by Atz.
20110302 20:33:51< iwontbecreative> Can't reproduce :/
20110302 20:34:15< iwontbecreative> There should be a test for not send to the parser "@end{description}"
20110302 20:34:20< iwontbecreative> Maybe a whitespace problem
20110302 20:34:26< iwontbecreative> Going to eat now
20110302 20:36:40< mordante> ok
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20110302 20:58:19< iwontbecreative> mordante: Back
20110302 20:59:01< iwontbecreative> Do you still have the bug if you change if not i == "@end{description}": to
20110302 20:59:09< iwontbecreative> if not i.strip() == "@end{description}":
20110302 21:03:32< mordante> which line is that?
20110302 21:03:52< iwontbecreative> 390
20110302 21:04:19< mordante> line 388 i = i.lstrip("@end{description}{" the open brace at the end is that correct?
20110302 21:04:55< iwontbecreative> yes
20110302 21:05:02< mordante> line 390 looks like "if not i == "@end{description}":" for me
20110302 21:05:30< iwontbecreative> Yes
20110302 21:05:44< iwontbecreative> Just change if not i to if not i.strip()
20110302 21:05:50< iwontbecreative> And try again
20110302 21:06:00< mordante> sorry miss read something
20110302 21:06:08< iwontbecreative> np
20110302 21:06:51< mordante> btw in the wiki comment there is @begin{foo}{bar} and @end{foo} no bar hence the opening brace question
20110302 21:07:26< iwontbecreative> Hmm, you're right
20110302 21:07:45< iwontbecreative> Copy-paste code is bad practice :)
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20110302 21:08:50< mordante> yeah leads to nasty bugs... like wiki_grabber no longer working since vim loves tabs instead of spaces
20110302 21:09:20< mordante> I just changed line 390 and it works now :-)
20110302 21:09:25< iwontbecreative> Nice
20110302 21:09:35< iwontbecreative> Maybe I can try to commit it
20110302 21:09:44< iwontbecreative> So I understand how it works
20110302 21:09:50 * mordante hopes iwontbecreative succeeds :-)
20110302 21:09:52< iwontbecreative> never commited anything with svn
20110302 21:10:01< iwontbecreative> except that fail previously :D
20110302 21:11:51< iwontbecreative> Just svn commit?
20110302 21:12:11< iwontbecreative> * svn commit -m "log message"
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20110302 21:12:46< mordante> yes or svn commit and it will ask for a message in $EDITOR
20110302 21:14:01< CIA-33> iwontbecreative * r48710 /trunk/utils/wiki_grabber.py: Make wiki_grabber.py handle nest levels for descriptions. Also remove the dirty whitespace hack.
20110302 21:14:10< iwontbecreative> Yay
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20110302 21:16:22< boucman> hey all
20110302 21:16:32< mordante> hi boucman 
20110302 21:16:41< mordante> great iwontbecreative :-)
20110302 21:17:30< mordante> boucman, iwontbecreative just commit more wiki_grabber improvements and I think it's now really ready for documenting WML
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20110302 21:19:42< boucman> yay
20110302 21:19:53< boucman> next GCI work ? :)
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20110302 21:22:02< mordante> :-)
20110302 21:22:18< mordante> guess we ourselves should start to use it ;-)
20110302 21:22:59< iwontbecreative> Hmm, connection bugged :/
20110302 21:23:16< iwontbecreative> mordante: More work to do on wiki_grabber?
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20110302 21:25:15< iwontbecreative> Espreon: Is that you that fixes duplicates domains in pofix?
20110302 21:26:04< iwontbecreative> Just saw that you did it in rev46476 and wesnoth-ei is currently duplicated
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20110302 21:28:21< mordante> iwontbecreative, no not at the moment, I think we should start to use it more and then we might run into new FRs
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20110302 21:33:46< iwontbecreative> Ok :)
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20110302 21:44:02< iwontbecreative> mordante: I'm updating test_libsvn.py to use argparse instead of optparse
20110302 21:44:18< iwontbecreative> optparse is deprecated in recent python versions
20110302 21:52:07< mordante> iwontbecreative, ok nice 
20110302 21:55:19< iwontbecreative> mordante: May just need some testing to check everything is working
20110302 21:56:20< mordante> ok
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20110302 22:08:29< CIA-33> espreon * r48711 /trunk/ABOUT-NLS: Smote an old, now-useless file.
20110302 22:14:07< CIA-33> iwontbecreative * r48712 /trunk/utils/test_libsvn.py: Little cleanup before switching to argparse.
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20110302 22:16:14< Espreon> iwontbecreative: Thanks.
20110302 22:16:20< CIA-33> espreon * r48713 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: Merged duplicate domains.
20110302 22:16:28< iwontbecreative> np
20110302 22:18:33< timotei> oo, congrts iwontbecreative for getting commit access :)
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20110302 22:18:37< timotei> s/congrts/congrats
20110302 22:19:06< iwontbecreative> Thanks :)
20110302 22:21:39< CIA-33> espreon * r48714 /trunk/misc/fortunes/ (README wesnoth): Removed svn:keywords; set svn:eol-style.
20110302 22:25:30< CIA-33> espreon * r48715 /trunk/data/english.cfg: Made underscore placement consistent.
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20110302 22:38:52< CIA-33> espreon * r48716 /trunk/src/language.cpp: [locale] blocks represent languages now.
20110302 22:40:52< CIA-33> mordante * r48717 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (widget.cpp widget.hpp): Polishing the code a bit.
20110302 22:40:52< CIA-33> mordante * r48718 /trunk/src/wml_exception.cpp: Make a parameter const.
20110302 22:40:55< CIA-33> mordante * r48719 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (control.cpp control.hpp): Polishing the code a bit.
20110302 22:40:56< CIA-33> mordante * r48720 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (data_manage.cpp data_manage.hpp): Polishing the code a bit.
20110302 22:41:00< CIA-33> mordante * r48721 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Comment updates.
20110302 22:41:04< CIA-33> mordante * r48722 /trunk/src/gui/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20110302 22:41:04< CIA-33> Polishing the code a bit.
20110302 22:41:04< CIA-33> Also rename legacy_menu_item to tlegacy_menu_item.
20110302 22:41:07< CIA-33> mordante * r48723 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/window_builder/ (text_box.cpp text_box.hpp): Polishing the code a bit.
20110302 22:41:12< CIA-33> mordante * r48724 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/window_builder/ (drawing.cpp drawing.hpp): Polishing the code a bit.
20110302 22:41:36< CIA-33> mordante * r48725 /trunk/src/ (log.cpp log.hpp): 
20110302 22:41:36< CIA-33> Add a helper class to redirect the logger output.
20110302 22:41:36< CIA-33> This is added for some unit tests that will check the output of the logs
20110302 22:41:36< CIA-33> for validation. (The unit tests will be committed once their classes are
20110302 22:41:36< CIA-33> finished.)
20110302 22:42:04< CIA-33> mordante * r48726 /trunk/changelog: Update changelog.
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20110302 22:45:22< CIA-33> espreon * r48727 /trunk/src/language.cpp: Reverted r48716.
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20110302 22:51:15< mordante> I'm off night
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