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20110308 00:29:29< Nephro> oh my goodness, left the sources downloading and went for a walk... came back, fount out they weren't the sources, but the binary
20110308 00:29:39< Nephro> what an idiot
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20110308 00:51:30< CIA-52> espreon * r48823 /trunk/ (10 files in 8 dirs): Applied patch #1887 with slight modifications.
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20110308 01:00:32< Espreon> Note to self: update wiki once 1.9.5 has been released.
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20110308 01:04:46< Nephro> VS2010 fails at compiling wesnoth
20110308 01:05:03< Espreon> Not surprising.
20110308 01:05:08< Nephro> read up on the forums a suggestion to switch to 2008
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20110308 01:22:16< CIA-52> espreon * r48824 /trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Applied patch #1883 with slight modifications.
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20110308 03:01:18< monochromatic> Question: Do you have any idea why NEW_GOLD_CARRYOVER is still named as is? Would anyone mind me writing a patch to deprecate that and defaulting carryover_add=yes and carryover_percentage=40 while updating all the main campaigns?
20110308 03:01:54< monochromatic> Or if I'm asking the wrong people, who should I ask?
20110308 03:01:59< monochromatic> Thanks!
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20110308 03:09:51< Espreon> monochromatic: It's still probably named as such due to our laziness. I'd ask zookeeper when he comes back.
20110308 03:10:10< monochromatic> when do you think he'll come back?
20110308 03:10:18< monochromatic> well I'm working on a patch anyways
20110308 03:10:30< monochromatic> I'll submit to gna when I'm done
20110308 03:10:35< fendrin> monochromatic: I still use a mixture of both carryover systems in my campaigns. Sometimes the old style fits better somehow. So I would miss the old macros.
20110308 03:11:02< monochromatic> true
20110308 03:11:16< fendrin> But renaming it would be nice.
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20110308 03:11:27< fendrin> ADDITIVE_GOLD_CARRYOVER
20110308 03:12:10< monochromatic> but isn't carryover_add=yes and carryover_percentage=40 sort of standard now?
20110308 03:12:15< monochromatic> I read that somewhere
20110308 03:12:31< monochromatic> may have been on esr's site
20110308 03:13:01< monochromatic> well what would I know?
20110308 03:13:05< monochromatic> I'm not a developer
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20110308 10:17:41< Ivanovic> moin
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20110308 10:28:11< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48825 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-manual/sk.po wesnoth-multiplayer/sk.po): updated Slovak translation
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20110308 11:04:53< fendrin> Hello, I have a segfault related to a vconfig object I don't manage to fix.
20110308 11:11:22< fendrin> The strange thing is it is working well if the vconfig is added to a structre after the prestart event but it is crashing with segfault when I use it in a [event] name=prestart
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20110308 12:42:12< Ivanovic> boucman, crab_, fendrin, mordante, everyone else interested in GSOC: just sent a mail to the ML asking about the current status of stuff, please reply/act accordingly!
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20110308 14:33:12< Nephro> Noone answered in my thread about problems with compilation on windows... seems i'll have to go with the virtual box method
20110308 14:37:02< Gambit> Nephro: link to the thread?
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20110308 14:37:32< Gambit> Nephro: Here's this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnWindows
20110308 14:38:23< Dmitry_> Gambit, I know, I was following this guide, but got an error, which I failed to solve... Posted on the forums, quiet there :(
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20110308 14:53:09< Nephro> Installing linux while using windows is hell of a fun
20110308 14:53:10< Nephro> ;]
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20110308 20:29:53< shadowmaster> 10:33:13 <Nephro> Noone answered in my thread about problems with compilation on windows... seems i'll have to go with the virtual box method
20110308 20:30:05< shadowmaster> Nephro: what thread?
20110308 20:30:46< Nephro> hi, shadowmaster. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33233&sid=0d74ec7e9c2ccef9ccb28177b18f0c7c -- this one
20110308 20:31:23< Crendgrim> shadowmaster: The one that's in "Coder's Corner" rather than in "Problem with compiling"
20110308 20:31:54< shadowmaster> yeah, that's why I couldn't find it.
20110308 20:32:04< Nephro> have I posted it in the wrong sub?
20110308 20:32:13< shadowmaster> Moved to Release & blah blah
20110308 20:33:13< Nephro> my bad, sorz
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20110308 20:55:38< mordante> servus
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20110308 21:18:18< mordante> wesbot, seen boucman
20110308 21:18:19< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick boucman last spoke 1d 2h ago.  21h 37m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20110308 21:18:42< mordante> Crab___, any idea when you'll add your GSoC projects?
20110308 21:19:05< Crab___> doing it right now, will finish in an hour or two
20110308 21:19:24< mordante> ok
20110308 21:19:46< mordante> guess I'll have to read it later
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20110308 21:20:30< Nephro> Crab___, I wanted to talk to you about this matter, but I won't bother you if you work on it now. Will you be open for discussion of new ideas after you finish your list?
20110308 21:20:45< Crab___> yes
20110308 21:21:02< mordante> wesbot, seen timotei
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20110308 21:27:28< mordante> boucman regarding http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Simple_Content_Manager do you know the wombat project http://wombat.worldforge.org/ ?
20110308 21:28:38< mordante> timotei could you add some more info to http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Eclipse_Plugin2011 ?
20110308 21:29:09< mordante> timotei at least some links to the plugin would be nice and I assume you can tell more about the project ;-)
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20110308 21:32:07< Nephro> Btw is the student application for GSoC has some strict form or must a student produce one himself, like a CV or personal statement? Or it's just a questionnaire form on Googles site?
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20110308 21:32:57< mordante> Nephro, not sure what information google wants
20110308 21:33:21< mordante> but you need to apply to organizations and they have their own preferred form
20110308 21:33:27< Crab___> Nephro: depends on the project. for wesnoth, we'll ask to copy a wiki page and answer a few questions for us.
20110308 21:33:31< mordante> but most have a questionaire
20110308 21:33:55< mordante> but we also like (simple) patches to judge your ability to code
20110308 21:34:51< mordante> but we also ask the student to visit us on irc so we can talk with him/her to get a general impression of the student
20110308 21:35:21< mordante> but it really depends on the project, what they want
20110308 21:35:31< Nephro> mordante, yes, I am working on that, my second day of struggling to finally compile wesnoth comes to an end :) Windows isn't friendly at all, but that's off... So about the wiki pages, did I understand right, that they are made by students?
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20110308 21:36:34< mordante> yeah talked with a collegue about the friendliness of Windows for developers ;-)
20110308 21:37:04< mordante> Nephro, we have a questionaire which every student needs to answer and that's a wiki page
20110308 21:37:41< Nephro> is that already available or it will be on the 25ths of March?
20110308 21:38:30< mordante> Nephro, I think it already works, but to be honest it makes no sense to write things down there until you know whether Google selected us to participate
20110308 21:39:12< mordante> participation in previous years is no guarantee that Google allows us in this year
20110308 21:39:20< Nephro> I see
20110308 21:41:04< Crab___> Nephro: if we get accepted, all the basic info will be available from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas
20110308 21:41:28< Nephro> And that will be known?
20110308 21:41:55< Nephro> March 18th, ok
20110308 21:42:32< mordante> it will be known when Google publices the list of accepted projects
20110308 21:42:43< Nephro> But we can still discuss ideas beforehand, right?
20110308 21:42:51< mordante> of course 
20110308 21:43:07< Nephro> mordante, the timeline says it's March 18th
20110308 21:43:19< mordante> then the 18th it is ;-)
20110308 21:44:06< Nephro> then it's 10 days for discussions and student apps start
20110308 21:44:07< mordante> you're also allowed to work on your idea when we're not selected by Google ;-)
20110308 21:44:20< Nephro> I know
20110308 21:44:29< mordante> ok
20110308 21:45:41< Nephro> I have several ideas, but they all need forming and polishing, which can only be done in discussion. I also think that some of them(if not all) will be thrown away immediately
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20110308 21:48:25< mordante> sounds interesting :-)
20110308 21:48:27< mordante> hi Tigge 
20110308 21:48:31< mordante> hi timotei *
20110308 21:48:35< timotei> hi mordante 
20110308 21:48:40< timotei> (reading the logs :P )
20110308 21:48:54< mordante> ok good, then I won't repeat my questions :-P
20110308 21:51:16< timotei> wow, 18 march is *pretty* close.
20110308 21:51:44< Nephro> it'll come faster than we would think
20110308 21:51:49< timotei> Nephro: I was stubborn enough to try compiling wesnoth on windows too. After 2 weeks, I turned over to linux and got wesnoth compiling in about 1 hour
20110308 21:51:49< Nephro> these dates always do that
20110308 21:52:14< mordante> timotei, tomorrow evening comes even faster ;-)
20110308 21:52:35< Nephro> timotei, haha! Well, I have a problem with my monitor, so running linux is not an option at the moment(long story), so I am setting up virtualbox with debian
20110308 21:52:37< timotei> mordante: yes, I got stumbled with my uni's stuff - I got a lot of exciting homeworks, and I can't find enough time to them all at the best extent xD
20110308 21:52:52< Nephro> timotei, you study computing science?
20110308 21:52:55< timotei> mordante: I shall add some more info on the plugin's page
20110308 21:52:59< timotei> Nephro: computer science
20110308 21:53:05< mordante> thanks timotei 
20110308 21:53:11< timotei> yw
20110308 21:53:51< Nephro> hehe, it's called computin science in my uni :) What year? I just ask, because my course (1st year) is boring me to death, and reading about exciting homeworks excites me
20110308 21:54:02< Nephro> s/computin/computing
20110308 21:54:15< timotei> just 2nd year. I think of computing a more broader ... range than computer
20110308 21:55:33< timotei> fendrin: good one: I opened eclipse's debug perspective, and guess what I found there?
20110308 21:55:49< timotei> fendrin: the watches when was debugging the WML Editor almost 1 year ago xD
20110308 21:55:53< Nephro> Well, our lecturers say that computer science is a wrong name for a course of programming, but anyway, that's not the point :)
20110308 21:56:01< timotei> all that Abstract Syntax Tree things.
20110308 21:56:17< fendrin> :-)
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20110308 22:03:38< timotei> hmm, what's the plural of the readme?
20110308 22:04:09< timotei> dictionary.com doesn't show such thing
20110308 22:04:09< mordante> multiple readme documents
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20110308 22:05:32< fendrin> timotei: Hi
20110308 22:05:41< timotei> fendrin: Hi
20110308 22:05:44< fendrin> timotei: Have you already started a wiki page?
20110308 22:05:51< timotei> fendrin: yes. It's here:
20110308 22:05:55< fendrin> timotei: I assume you want to participate again.
20110308 22:05:55< timotei> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=SoC_Ideas_Eclipse_Plugin2011
20110308 22:06:16< timotei> fendrin: if wesnoth gets selected and I don't find other cooler projects, yes :)
20110308 22:06:37< fendrin> I have no doubt that wesnoth will get selected.
20110308 22:06:41< fendrin> It is just to cool.
20110308 22:06:45< fendrin> s/to/too
20110308 22:07:05< fendrin> And I guess there are no cooler projects out there as well.
20110308 22:07:22< timotei> fendrin: I'm now looking over my last year's proposal, to see which things were left out
20110308 22:07:30< fendrin> timotei: You will need a personal page as well.
20110308 22:07:42< timotei> fendrin: do you mind telling me what areas need autocomplete besides events?
20110308 22:07:54< fendrin> variables
20110308 22:08:02< timotei> fendrin: Yes I know. I'm just putting down the current status so everyone could ... make a proposal on it :)
20110308 22:08:07< fendrin> attributes
20110308 22:08:08< timotei> oh yeah. variables
20110308 22:08:20< fendrin> macros
20110308 22:08:37< fendrin> attribute values
20110308 22:08:44< fendrin> like keywords
20110308 22:08:48< fendrin> yes/no
20110308 22:08:52< fendrin> true/false
20110308 22:08:58< timotei> oh. right
20110308 22:09:03< fendrin> speaker=narrator
20110308 22:09:15< fendrin> i have misspelled that word 100 times
20110308 22:09:24< timotei> xD
20110308 22:09:52< fendrin> hmmm
20110308 22:09:57< fendrin> I guess that is it.
20110308 22:10:00< timotei> ok thanks
20110308 22:10:12< fendrin> But I will come up with more.
20110308 22:10:24< fendrin> I feel the list is not complete.
20110308 22:10:33< timotei> fendrin: of course
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20110308 22:14:14< mordante> fendrin, did you plan to mentor GSoC again this year?
20110308 22:14:47< fendrin> mordante: Yes, I do so.
20110308 22:15:20< fendrin> mordante: Why do you ask?
20110308 22:15:46< mordante> 1 sec
20110308 22:16:59< mordante> fendrin, I asked since you're not in this list http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#What_criteria_did_you_use_to_select_the_individuals_who_will_act_as_mentors_for_your_organization.3F_Please_be_as_specific_as_possible.
20110308 22:17:16< mordante> and I recalled you wanted to mentor
20110308 22:19:21< mordante> boucman you're also listed http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#What_criteria_did_you_use_to_select_the_individuals_who_will_act_as_mentors_for_your_organization.3F_Please_be_as_specific_as_possible not sure whether or not you want to be listed there
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20110308 22:23:31< fendrin> mordante: Well, I guess it is unlikely that I will praise myself in that list.
20110308 22:23:55< fendrin> mordante: Why don't you write an paragraph about my qualities in there?
20110308 22:27:24< mordante> that won't be tonight, hope to have time tomorrow, too tired now
20110308 22:27:45< fendrin> no problem, take your time
20110308 22:28:00< mordante> I think Ivanovic has another opion ;-)
20110308 22:28:27< timotei> mordante, fendrin: I updated the page. I may add some more info tomorrow. Maybe fendrin will add other things I missed
20110308 22:28:28< timotei> _
20110308 22:28:35< timotei> copy fail
20110308 22:28:35< timotei> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Eclipse_Plugin2011
20110308 22:29:07< mordante> thanks timotei 
20110308 22:29:12< timotei> yw
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20110308 23:21:41< Crab___> Ivanovic: so, here's my ideas: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_LuaAI_2011 and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_Multiplayer_Improvements_2011
20110308 23:22:25< Crab___> the first is old one from 2010, the second is based on WESDEM discussions
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20110308 23:25:53< boucman> hey all
20110308 23:29:37< Crab___> hi boucman
20110308 23:29:58< boucman> hey Crab___
20110308 23:30:48< Nephro> Crab___, I was really looking forward to the AI part of the project, but I have absolutely no experience with LUA
20110308 23:31:03< Nephro> Would that be a big problem?
20110308 23:31:29< Crab___> Nephro: if you have c++ experience, you can treat lua as a somewhat tricky C++ library
20110308 23:32:07< Crab___> Nephro: there's no *need* to know lua before you start, but it's pretty easy to learn the basics
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20110308 23:32:44< Crab___> Nephro: to successfully get the project (provided that wesnoth is accepted in GSoC), you'll need to demonstrate that you know how to integrate C++ and lua
20110308 23:33:04< Nephro> Hmm... Ok, I'll dig into that deeper tomorrow. About the pre gsoc tasks. Could I, for example, complete some of them, in order to prove my ability to programm, instead of fixing bugs?
20110308 23:34:11< Crab___> Nephro: look at http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp?view=markup , it's the file which houses wesnoth's c++/lua integration (not just for ai)
20110308 23:34:36< Crab___> yes, I've put those pre-gsoc tasks there for a reason :)
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20110308 23:36:35< Crab___> Nephro: note that last year, there were some proposals for improving wesnoth's lua support, but no one of the students was selected for it (there were interviews at the end, and, unfortunately, no one ended up good enough skill-wise, compared to people who took other projects)
20110308 23:38:18< Nephro> that is one large c++ file there, with tonns of them magic numbers :(
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20110308 23:39:24< Crab___> Nephro: yes :)  most of the magic comes from http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#3
20110308 23:39:30< Crab___> Nephro: really :)
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20110308 23:42:17< Crab___> Nephro: note that the AI project will involve 3 parts: (1) learn basic lua ai support stuff (2) code support for lua ai (Definition of done: "all information that is required by c++ AI, is possible to use in Lua AI with relatively same level of complexity for AI author."),
20110308 23:42:18< Crab___> (3) whatever fancy AI stuff we want to try (regarding stuff like defence/recruitment/etc)
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20110308 23:43:58< Nephro> Yeah, I've read the wiki page... I'll have to read up tonns of info I think, reading the LUA manual you gave me, atm...
20110308 23:45:14< Nephro> Did I get you right, that I must thoroughly understand that lua.cpp in order to work on the project?
20110308 23:46:52< Crab___> Nephro: well, during the project you'll need to be able to take any C++ structure that is used by the AI, and code a good way to expose it to lua code. that file mostly does just that for other non-ai related data structures
20110308 23:47:47< Crab___> Nephro: so, altough you won't need to understand/know this file, you'll need to write things very similar to the code in it, so you must be able to correctly understand any part of that file, given some time to prepare :)
20110308 23:49:05< Nephro> Yeah, I was always interested, how that would be, to read a code that uses a lot of class instances and functions(that again use a lot of unknown stuff)... Seems my time has come
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