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20110310 00:41:09< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48831 /trunk/po/wesnoth-manual/sk.po: updated Slovak translation
20110310 00:41:13< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48832 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-manual/sk.po: updated Slovak translation
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20110310 03:38:08< Guest60122> Hello, for my Artificial Intelligence class, I have to come up with a final project to do. I am considering writing an AI for Wesnoth. Does anyone want to encourage or discourage me from doing this?
20110310 03:46:19< Espreon> Guest60122: Talk to Crab_. He should be around when it's day in Europe.
20110310 03:46:29< Guest60122> Thanks
20110310 03:46:33< Espreon> No prob.
20110310 03:47:28< Guest60122> I *probably* need to write the actual AI in LISP and getting the C++ code to call LISP looks like it will be a headache
20110310 03:48:32< Espreon> Ugh, not another language...
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20110310 04:45:18< shadowmaster> Espreon: reminds me to add Perl support to the Y fork :D
20110310 04:45:43< shadowmaster> just imagine, whole campaigns coded in Perl
20110310 04:45:59< shadowmaster> :D :D :D
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20110310 04:51:45< Espreon> shadowmaster: YYYYYYYYYYYYYEAH!
20110310 04:52:32< shadowmaster> fendrin: btw, I forgot to mention that the elates_kalenz ability's user-visible names should also not be capitalized, so they don't look out of place among mainline abilities
20110310 04:53:21< Espreon> Indeed.
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20110310 05:00:28< shadowmaster> shikadibot: tag 1.8.1
20110310 05:00:29< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Tag 1.8.1, revision 42348 (ivanovic) on Sat May  1 12:14:23 2010:
20110310 05:00:32< shikadibot> shadowmaster: tag 1.8.1, using r42346
20110310 05:00:33< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=42348
20110310 05:00:38< shadowmaster> win!
20110310 05:00:53< shadowmaster> I didn't even remember I implemented this command
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20110310 05:08:16< Gambit> The best kind of features are the ones you forgot you had.
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20110310 05:08:55< shadowmaster> Gambit: not necessarily
20110310 05:09:12< Gambit> *The most exciting?
20110310 05:09:17< shadowmaster> those can also be indicators of software bloat of the "featuritis" kind
20110310 05:10:01< shadowmaster> shikadibot: version
20110310 05:10:01< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Rei 2 IRC Bot version 0.2.0 (0.2.0) (using Perl 5.10.0) <http://shadowm.rewound.net/projects/rei2.php>
20110310 05:10:51< shadowmaster> let's find out whether this blows our server up
20110310 05:11:10< shadowmaster> I'm looking at the markovian namegen code
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20110310 10:22:07< Ivanovic> moin
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20110310 12:49:23< CIA-52> fendrin * r48833 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/abilities.cfg: LoW: Decapitalized Cleodil's abilities after a hint from shadowmaster.
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20110310 15:16:42< mihaibivol> I have some problems compiling wesnoth 1.9.4, can I get some help?
20110310 15:22:44< Ivanovic> before anyone can help you some details might be a good start
20110310 15:23:05< Ivanovic> like the OS you are compiling under, your compiler, what the problems you have are, stuff like that
20110310 15:23:55< mihaibivol> it's solved now, I had some trouble with libboost
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20110310 16:22:43< Nephro> Good day. Crab_, I wanted to discuss an AI idea with you. Should this be done privately or right here on the channel? And I also don't want to bother you a lot, so if you're busy atm, maybe set a time for a conversation :)
20110310 16:23:43< Crab_> Right here is better, because all our would-be-mentors do evaluate the students, so, if you discuss here, they'll have the chance to know you better.
20110310 16:23:53< Ivanovic> Nephro: in general "in the chan" is the best solution since others can also point stuff out
20110310 16:24:17< Crab_> And timing is tricky.. I'll be busy for ~100 more minutes.
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20110310 16:24:43< Crab_> till 17:00 GMT+0, that is
20110310 16:25:35< Crab_> and note that, most likely, any AI project will involve 3 parts : (1) get familiar with current code (2) do the 'mandatory' part of LuaAI work (3) try whatever fancy ideas you have to make the AI better.
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20110310 16:26:15< Crab_> so, even if things don't go well with (3), we'll still be able to consider it a fully successful summer.
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20110310 16:35:46< Nephro> Ok, I actually got a bit busy myself, I will maybe polish the idea and explain it here laters, maybe in the evening.. :) I just didn't want to write it all here, since it might create lots of text, shadowing other conversations, but if people are willing to listen, I am cool with that :)
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20110310 17:02:09< Crab_> Nephro: you can start a wiki page, and link it here
20110310 17:03:03< Crab_> Nephro: if we get accepted afterwards, you'd be able to reuse that wiki page, as well (we'll ask each student to create a page for himself/herself).
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20110310 17:31:50< fendrin> hi Crab_
20110310 17:32:09< Crab_> hi, fendrin
20110310 17:33:26< Nephro> Crab_, the idea itself is not well formed and I doubt that I can create it myself without any discussion
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20110310 17:34:41< Crab_> Nephro: ok
20110310 17:34:56< Crab_> I'm more-or-less free atm, for ~90 minutes or so.
20110310 17:38:25< Nephro> Is there any resource describing the current state of  the AI? I don't mean the source code, but rather the techniques used for computing moves, the "brain" of the AI
20110310 17:42:55< Crab_> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#how_AI_works.2C_a_short_developer-oriented_overview
20110310 17:43:27< Crab_> or http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#Working_with_main_loop_of_the_RCA_AI if you want to jump through the configuration part\
20110310 17:43:58< Crab_> but, after that, you have to see the source to see how each piece works
20110310 17:44:05< Crab_> or ask questions...
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20110310 18:26:55< Espreon> loonycyborg: Would you please recompile the trunk binary?
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20110310 18:34:55< loonycyborg> Espreon: Done.
20110310 18:34:57< Espreon> Thanks.
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20110310 18:38:38< Espreon> fendrin: OK, I got it to work, but [source] and [target] are a bit confusing.
20110310 18:38:59< Espreon> ... or...
20110310 18:39:02< fendrin> Hmmm
20110310 18:39:06< Espreon> bidirectional isn't working..
20110310 18:39:14< Espreon> Well, if that be the case, it's still confusing.
20110310 18:39:29< fendrin> How would you call them?
20110310 18:39:33< fendrin> Entrence and exit?
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20110310 18:39:44< Espreon> No, they're fine, but they're inverted.
20110310 18:39:45< fendrin> hi timotei
20110310 18:39:51< Espreon> Well, I have to go.
20110310 18:39:52< Espreon> Bye.
20110310 18:39:54< timotei> hi fendrin 
20110310 18:40:02< fendrin> Espreon: bye
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20110310 19:08:15< CIA-52> dragonking * r48834 /branches/1.8/src/ (9 files): Improvements and fixes for replay controller and control buttons
20110310 19:08:26< deekay> Ivanovic: ^ that should be it
20110310 19:08:50< Ivanovic> were there string changes in this one??
20110310 19:08:59< deekay> Ivanovic: So what it left is some testing + changes from Crab_ for chatlog
20110310 19:09:04< deekay> Ivanovic: No.
20110310 19:09:51< Crab_> deekay: ok
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20110310 19:58:58< mordante> servus
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20110310 20:13:43< Nephro> Do I understand correct that Wesnoth(c++) loads up and starts Lua, after which Lua calls the exposed functions (c/c++)? And the exposed functions atm are located in src/ai/lua/core.cpp ?
20110310 20:14:44< mordante> yes that's how the calls go, not sure whether all exposed functions are in  src/ai/lua/core.cpp however
20110310 20:15:40< mordante> there might be more in scripting/lua.cpp
20110310 20:16:01< Nephro> well, that isn't too important, I am just figuring out how things work here :) thanks
20110310 20:18:59< mordante> you're welcome
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20110310 20:28:31< Gambit> What happened to up and up?
20110310 20:29:45< Ivanovic> Crab_, fendrin: you are fine with commiting the application in its current form?
20110310 20:30:55< fendrin> Ivanovic: I would like to do some work on the editor proposal. timotei started the page but I guess it is not fine for applikation in it's current state.
20110310 20:31:25< fendrin> Ivanovic: Or is that something that can still be done after the deadline?
20110310 20:31:34< Ivanovic> fendrin: then get it done ASAP, since i would like to submit stuff about *NOW*
20110310 20:31:46< Crab_> yes
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20110310 20:31:55< Ivanovic> of course it can still be tuned after the deadline, but we got no idea when google will review the stuff we got
20110310 20:31:55< Crab_> fendrin: we can, and we will, improve after the deadline
20110310 20:32:06< Crab_> fendrin: but it's not for google, it's more for students
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20110310 20:32:55< Crab_> for example, I've just added a 'Make_your_own_ideas' idea, for completeness.
20110310 20:32:57< mordante> I still think google looks at it to judge the page
20110310 20:33:16< Ivanovic> they do judge the idea pages
20110310 20:33:26< Ivanovic> in fact the ideas pages are an *important* part in the application
20110310 20:33:46< Ivanovic> (since they show that the org has invested some time and ideas into stuff, too)
20110310 20:34:39< Ivanovic> noy: what was your linkid at google?
20110310 20:34:42< Ivanovic> 'noy'?
20110310 20:34:51< noy> I think it is...
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20110310 20:39:17< fendrin> It isn't that bad at all. I think timotei has thought about everything except the pre gsoc tasks.
20110310 20:41:00< mordante> Crendgrim, I just tested your bug and can't reproduce it
20110310 20:42:18< timotei> fendrin: do you have some in mind? I've looked over my todo list, and they are pretty "heavy" or need a (very) deep knowledge of the plugin - maybe that' the intent anyways.
20110310 20:42:51< timotei> fendrin: I was thinking like: add a project properties tab, for setting wesnoth specific settings for each project
20110310 20:44:42< fendrin> timotei: I will add some basic steps to gather knowledge about the project.
20110310 20:44:50< timotei> fendrin: Ok.
20110310 20:44:52< fendrin> timotei: You can add specific little coding tasks.
20110310 20:45:42< fendrin> timotei: I just added some lines.
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20110310 20:46:12< fendrin> timotei: I think those both pretasks are fine. They sound like being doable in a short amount of time.
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20110310 20:48:25< Ivanovic> boucman, Crab_, fendrin, mordante, everyone else who cares: i submitted the application to google
20110310 20:48:35< Crab_> timotei: pre-coding tasks do not have to be useful
20110310 20:48:38< mordante> Ivanovic,  great :-)
20110310 20:48:43< Crab_> timotei: they can be just for showing off
20110310 20:48:44< Ivanovic> if there are any changes required in the "info for google" area, please tell me about those so that i can still add them
20110310 20:48:52< Crab_> Ivanovic: thanks
20110310 20:49:10< Ivanovic> deadline for any of those changes will be tomorrow at 7pm UTC+1 (since i ain't around afterwards till the "real" deadline is reached)
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20110310 20:54:38< mordante> I'm off bye
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20110310 21:07:15< timotei21> night
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20110310 22:36:55< CIA-52> fendrin * r48835 /branches/editor/: New branch to update the outdated fendrin_editor branch. The fendrin_editor branch will get removed afterwards.
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20110310 23:06:37< Espreon> Ivanovic: When do you plan to tag 1.8.6?
20110310 23:06:49< Ivanovic> no idea yet
20110310 23:07:01< Ivanovic> if i understood deekay correctly, Crab_ still plans some change
20110310 23:07:12< Espreon> Good.
20110310 23:07:13< Crab_> yes
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