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20110311 00:23:17< mihaibivol> hello gabba, i am interested in the whiteboard project for gsoc
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20110311 00:32:36< gabba> hi mihaibivol
20110311 00:32:48< gabba> that's good news ;)
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20110311 00:35:57< mihaibivol> i have compiled wesnoth 1.9.4 and i'm trying it out, i would like to solve bug #17798
20110311 00:36:45< mihaibivol> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17798
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20110311 00:47:45< mihaibivol> gabba, i was wandering how the whiteboard works, and if you can give me some advice using the debug
20110311 00:48:43< gabba> mihaibivol: did you read the whole of http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GSoC-WesnothWhiteboard_Gabba ?
20110311 00:49:04< gabba> and what do you mean exactly by the debug?
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20110311 00:56:24< mihaibivol> i will give the wiki a better reading and I will ask questions later :)
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20110311 01:15:02< gabba> mihaibivol: ok, catch you later then :)
20110311 01:16:09< gabba> mihaibivol: you can also play with the whiteboard in-game, just download wesnoth 1.9.4 and activate planning mode in the context menu
20110311 01:16:40< gabba> maybe that'll motivate you more to read the documents ;)
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20110311 03:27:36< CIA-52> fendrin * r48836 /branches/editor/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Enabled parsing of extra wml and a testmap.
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20110311 04:04:59< CIA-52> fendrin * r48837 /branches/editor/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
20110311 04:04:59< CIA-52> Added a pointer gui which is a display to resources and made the map_labels use it.
20110311 04:04:59< CIA-52> This seems to work well but it's not tested very much.
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20110311 09:51:40< justonecomment> just one comment
20110311 09:51:49< justonecomment> can we please get downloads less than 100 meg?
20110311 09:52:05< justonecomment> Why do I have to re-down all the music, all the graphics, etc, with every update?
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20110311 09:52:17< justonecomment> This is important in countries where the down speed is slow.
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20110311 09:52:27< justonecomment> 1.9.x is over 300 megs!
20110311 09:53:18< justonecomment> There's no reason to re-DL all the campaigns we've already finished twice.  Make the campaigns a separate download.
20110311 09:53:33< justonecomment> That's my comment!  Great work people!
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20110311 09:53:34< justonecomment> Thanks.
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20110311 10:22:17< Ivanovic> moin
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20110311 13:00:01< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48838 /branches/1.8/ (154 files in 27 dirs): 
20110311 13:00:01< CIA-52> pot-update (reference update only, no new/changed strings)
20110311 13:00:01< CIA-52> regenerated doc files
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20110311 14:33:53< boucman> hey all
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20110311 15:15:34< Ivanovic> people will love me for this commit!
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20110311 15:25:04< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48839 /trunk/ (10256 files in 312 dirs): 
20110311 15:25:04< CIA-52> ran utils/wesnoth-optipng (not commiting any files that were reported as broken, there are many!)
20110311 15:25:04< CIA-52> Original size: 130846 KiB on 10530 files
20110311 15:27:05< zookeeper> oh dear...
20110311 15:31:33< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48840 /trunk/utils/wesnoth-optipng: automatically remove the files with pixel differences from the changed file list (making sure that those can't end committed)
20110311 15:31:46< CIA-52> fendrin * r48841 /branches/editor/ (23 files in 5 dirs): 
20110311 15:31:46< CIA-52> Half way through the merge.
20110311 15:31:46< CIA-52> Program compiles and runs but is a living segfault.
20110311 15:32:27< Ivanovic> in case someone is interested: this is the list of files with changes on a pixel level: http://pastebin.com/X5e1rUNd
20110311 15:33:09< fendrin> zookeeper: ?
20110311 15:33:21< fendrin> hi boucman
20110311 15:33:37< Ivanovic> fendrin: he saw my commit with more than 10k files
20110311 15:33:41< fendrin> Ivanovic: ah
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20110311 15:46:40< fendrin> Ivanovic: When do we know whether google accepted us?
20110311 15:47:08< Ivanovic> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline
20110311 15:47:17< Ivanovic> March 18:
20110311 15:47:19< Ivanovic> 19:00 UTC
20110311 15:47:20< Ivanovic> 	
20110311 15:47:22< Ivanovic> List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2011 site.
20110311 15:47:41< fendrin> A week.
20110311 15:47:55< fendrin> Has Wesnoth ever been rejected?
20110311 15:48:26< fendrin> I guess when the gsoc people start the game they freeze in Ehrfurcht.
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20110311 16:07:08< CIA-52> fendrin * r48842 /branches/editor/src/ (hotkeys.cpp hotkeys.hpp): Merged the hotkeys in.
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20110311 16:42:43< fendrin> Ivanovic: Can we talk about the editor and low resolutions?
20110311 16:42:59< Ivanovic> huh?
20110311 16:43:05< fendrin> Ivanovic: I have noticed that the editor is already broken at 800x480
20110311 16:43:14< Ivanovic> oh, not good
20110311 16:43:34< Ivanovic> never actually tried the editor in 800x480 (that is: last time i tried is ages ago)
20110311 16:43:51< Ivanovic> but i think the editor is active in the pandora build, so it should work
20110311 16:43:58< fendrin> Can you have a look?
20110311 16:44:15< fendrin> ./wesnoth --smallgui -r 800x480 -e
20110311 16:45:12< fendrin> Ivanovic: It does work, but the gui is not large enough to display *any* terrain brush so the editor is useless but working.
20110311 16:45:23< Ivanovic> 1) the smallgui flag is no longer required in trunk!
20110311 16:45:40< Ivanovic> 2) yeah, looks like there are too many categories to leave room for the terrain list
20110311 16:45:50< Ivanovic> before there was (IIRC) at least one line of terrains displayed
20110311 16:45:58< fendrin> 1) Then it should be removed fromm --help
20110311 16:46:04< Ivanovic> right
20110311 16:46:07< fendrin> 2)solution?
20110311 16:46:21< fendrin> Yes, the number of terrain categories has grown.
20110311 16:46:29< fendrin> So there is no more space left.
20110311 16:46:47< fendrin> I would suggest to drop support for the editor at least at 800x480
20110311 16:47:16< fendrin> There is not much room to save any space.
20110311 16:47:45< fendrin> And anyway, creating a map with only 3 terrains available without scrolling is not practicable.
20110311 16:48:02< fendrin> I think it is okay to say that low resolution devices are for playing only.
20110311 16:48:09< fendrin> 800x600 should be fine.
20110311 16:48:44< fendrin> You have 3 rowas of terrain there.
20110311 16:48:54< fendrin> That makes 9 at all.
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20110311 16:49:36< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48843 /trunk/ (doc/man/wesnoth.6 src/game.cpp): 
20110311 16:49:37< CIA-52> removed --smallgui from --help output as well as from the manpages since it is no longer required
20110311 16:49:37< CIA-52> (some small leftovers, especially at unit tests are still there, someone else has to test those)
20110311 16:50:05< Ivanovic> fendrin: i see lots of "unused space" there
20110311 16:50:10< fendrin> Where?
20110311 16:50:26< Ivanovic> eg when moving the arrors into one line, instead of having one at the top, one at the buttom could free at least having one line shown
20110311 16:51:21< fendrin> Still, who would want to use the editor with only 3 terrains?
20110311 16:51:44< Ivanovic> some might want to, and as long as it is possible in a sane way: why not?
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20110311 16:52:19< Ivanovic> does the editor (and the terrain list!) allow theming similar to the main game?
20110311 16:52:36< fendrin> All of that is gui1
20110311 16:52:58< Ivanovic> just like the main gui, too (and there different themes are used for different resolutions)
20110311 16:53:13< fendrin> Or not a gui thing at all the brushes are an extra thing.
20110311 16:53:33< fendrin> Okay, that is a fine solution.
20110311 16:53:50< fendrin> I will see that I make different themes for different resolutions.
20110311 16:54:03< fendrin> zoom in
20110311 16:54:05< fendrin> zoom out
20110311 16:54:09< fendrin> undo und redo
20110311 16:54:17< fendrin> are all available through hotkeys.
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20110311 16:54:27< fendrin> So I guess we don't need them as buttons.
20110311 16:54:44< Ivanovic> i'd say: have a smaller minimap (vertically) as well as the buttons side by side when below a heigth of say 768px would be a sane approach, too
20110311 16:55:09< fendrin> And the arrows in one row like you suggested that will with some other tweaks allow 3x3 brushes at 800x480.
20110311 16:55:43< fendrin> What about the minimap?
20110311 16:56:10< Ivanovic> IIRC i changed the normal theme a little to use a different right area reducing the size of the minimap window
20110311 16:56:44< fendrin> So making the minimap smaller does work?
20110311 16:57:04< Ivanovic> not 100% sure right now, but i *think* it does
20110311 16:57:21< fendrin> The minimap background is an image
20110311 16:57:31< fendrin> And I think the engine can't scale it at gui1 level.
20110311 16:57:42< fendrin> It might be possible with an artist supporting me.
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20110311 16:59:47< Ivanovic>             image=themes/rightside-small.png
20110311 16:59:52< Ivanovic> just use this
20110311 17:00:00< fendrin> Okay, thanks.
20110311 17:00:09< fendrin> I guess all the mentioned actions will do it.
20110311 17:00:32< fendrin> I still need to figure out how to load different themes at gui1 level.
20110311 17:01:57< Ivanovic> fendrin: it probably works just the same way that the normal game works, by defining resolutions and such
20110311 17:02:17< Ivanovic> fendrin: that is: if you tell me the dimensions for the right pane that you need, i should be able to remove just the required part
20110311 17:03:54< fendrin> Ivanovic: You are talking about gimp?
20110311 17:03:59< Ivanovic> yeah
20110311 17:04:01< fendrin> ah
20110311 17:04:04< fendrin> I see.
20110311 17:04:10< fendrin> Was a little slow on the uptake.
20110311 17:04:23< Ivanovic> have done so for creating the rightside-small.png based upon rightside.png
20110311 17:04:36< Ivanovic> you probably want some rightside-editor-small.png
20110311 17:04:43< fendrin> Yes.
20110311 17:05:01< fendrin> The problem is that some of the editor gui dimension/location is hardcoded in c++.
20110311 17:05:28< fendrin> That won't be easy to code that it respects the resolution.
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20110311 17:10:21< Ivanovic> fendrin: give me a moment for a short proof of concept
20110311 17:11:09< fendrin> Ivanovic: Sure :-)
20110311 17:11:45< fendrin> On the other hand might a sidebar coded in gui2 be in reach.
20110311 17:13:25< fendrin> I guess we could also leave some of the "tool" buttons out because they have menu entries and hotkeys as well.
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20110311 17:20:15< Ivanovic> yeah, you are right, a whole lot of stuff is hardcoded
20110311 17:20:26< Ivanovic> what looks to be hardcoded:
20110311 17:20:35< Ivanovic> 1) position of the brush sizes
20110311 17:20:42< Ivanovic> 2) position of the categories
20110311 17:20:52< Ivanovic> 3) position of the terrain selection list with the arrows
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20110311 17:24:42< fendrin> gui wise is the editor in the worst state of whole wesnoth.
20110311 17:25:35< Ivanovic> yeah
20110311 17:33:39< Ivanovic> fendrin: want the rightside-editor-small.pnd file as well as the theming to move *part* of the stuff to a better place?
20110311 17:35:02< fendrin> yes
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20110311 18:00:51< Espreon> Ivanovic: It seems that the gettext people screwed up: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html
20110311 18:01:00< Espreon> Yes, I'm talking about plurals for Irish.
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20110311 18:08:36< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48844 /trunk/data/ (core/images/themes/rightside-editor.png themes/editor.cfg): fixed the grey background in the right pane so that it is the "correct" size for the buttons
20110311 18:11:17< Ivanovic> Espreon: huh?
20110311 18:11:42< Ivanovic> sorry, but some more context would be nice, otherwise i got *no* clue what exactly you are talking about in this *huge* manual
20110311 18:12:30< Espreon> Just search for "Gaeilge"
20110311 18:12:43< Espreon> Wait...
20110311 18:13:10< Espreon> Yeah, I spelled it correctly.
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20110311 18:19:16< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48845 /trunk/data/ (2 files in 2 dirs): commit WIP version (commented out!) of small res editor stuff
20110311 18:19:49< Ivanovic> fendrin: commited the stuff
20110311 18:20:07< fendrin> Ivanovic: Thank you :-9
20110311 18:20:10< Espreon> Ivanovic: Did you find it?
20110311 18:20:18< fendrin> s/:-9/:-)
20110311 18:20:54< fendrin> Ivanovic: still need to fetch 10000 files...
20110311 18:21:26< Ivanovic> http://imagebin.org/142409
20110311 18:21:34< Ivanovic> as comparison image
20110311 18:21:45< Ivanovic> on the left the "new" theming thingie, on the right the old
20110311 18:21:57< Ivanovic> that is: the minimap on the left still needs some tuning!
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20110311 18:23:57< fendrin> hmmm, I feel like it would be more useful to invest time in a gui2 sidebar than hacking the old hardcoded stuff to death.
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20110311 18:27:16< CIA-52> fendrin * r48846 /branches/editor/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20110311 18:27:16< CIA-52> Merged a lot of stuff.
20110311 18:27:16< CIA-52> All gui elements now do not longer segfault.
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20110311 18:39:58< fendrin> Ivanovic: But don't worry. I will find a way to support the low resolutions. I guess your image is quite fine.
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20110311 19:47:35< Crendgrim> Why is the revision version shown in the title of my BoW installation "48533" while I'm using Rev. 48846? Is this a bad of mine?
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20110311 19:52:57< timotei> fendrin: https://gna.org/bugs/?17571
20110311 19:52:59< timotei> what do you say?
20110311 19:53:09< timotei> on one hand it would be good, must most of the times not
20110311 19:54:23< fendrin> timotei: word wrap?
20110311 19:54:51< timotei> fendrin: no. the include JRE with eclipse standalone
20110311 19:55:04< timotei> my reasons for not:
20110311 19:55:11< timotei> 1) increasing unnnecesarry size
20110311 19:55:23< timotei> 2) will need to maintain the latest java version used
20110311 19:55:33< fendrin> And you are not allowed to do so.
20110311 19:55:44< fendrin> Except for the free version.
20110311 19:55:46< timotei> Really?
20110311 19:55:47< timotei> oh
20110311 19:55:50< fendrin> Yes.
20110311 19:55:51< timotei> didn't know that
20110311 19:56:04< fendrin> It comes with a license.
20110311 19:56:10< timotei> I should read the license than
20110311 19:56:13< timotei> s/than/then
20110311 19:56:13< fendrin> Every enduser has to sign that.
20110311 19:56:34< fendrin> At least you will need to display the license to the end user.
20110311 19:56:50< timotei> oh. Yeah, that
20110311 19:57:11< timotei> ok, good enough for me to not tie myself with extra burden of including things in the plugin
20110311 19:57:15< timotei> thanks for the info ;)
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20110311 20:50:39< Crendgrim> No one an idea why the wrong rev. number is shown?
20110311 20:51:50< Soliton> how do you know you're using a different rev?
20110311 20:53:53< Crendgrim> well.. I updated to it.
20110311 20:54:31< Crendgrim> and "svn info" prints out "Revision: 48846"
20110311 20:54:39< Crendgrim> so I'm pretty sure the files are up-to-date
20110311 20:56:30< Soliton> i'm pretty sure that your svn checkout is uptodate as well.
20110311 20:57:01< Crendgrim> it is
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20110311 20:59:15< Soliton> excellent, now you just need to explain why you think that binary you started is uptodate as well.
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20110311 20:59:51< Crendgrim> well... because I compiled it?
20110311 21:10:05< Crendgrim> I just did again a "scons" - no change.
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20110311 21:11:10< Crendgrim> > ./wesnoth
20110311 21:11:12< Crendgrim> Battle for Wesnoth v1.9.4+svn (48533)
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20110311 21:31:50< loonycyborg> Crendgrim: Did you do build=debug before? That changes the binary's name to wesnoth-debug and this setting is persistent.
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20110311 21:33:02< Crendgrim> ... thanks.
20110311 21:33:05< Crendgrim> good to know that.
20110311 21:33:42< Crendgrim> that may be indeed the reason.
20110311 21:34:25< Crendgrim> it works. Thank you, loonycyborg :-)
20110311 21:34:35< loonycyborg> np
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20110311 21:35:51< Crendgrim> and this is also the explanation for bug 17877 :x
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20110311 21:55:58< CIA-52> fendrin * r48847 /branches/editor/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Made the editor familiar with the side concept.
20110311 22:00:59< Crendgrim> who did the new minimap?
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