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20110312 02:16:26< CIA-52> iwontbecreative * r48848 /trunk/utils/codelist: Use isinstance instead of type() checks. Use repr() instead of deprecated . Also make it fully respectfull of Pep8.
20110312 02:16:50< iwontbecreative> deprecated backticks
20110312 02:21:22< CIA-52> iwontbecreative * r48849 /trunk/utils/ (mediawiki.py wescamp_import): Remove trailing whitespaces.
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20110312 03:22:45< CIA-52> iwontbecreative * r48850 /trunk/data/tools/ (28 files in 4 dirs): Removed a lot of trailing whitespaces. Shouldn't be anymore in python scripts.
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20110312 05:43:57< CIA-52> espreon * r48851 /branches/1.8/po/ (17 files in 17 dirs): Updated the British English translation.
20110312 05:46:39< CIA-52> espreon * r48852 /branches/1.8/po/ (wesnoth/en_GB.po wesnoth-lib/en_GB.po): Ran po-update on the British English po files.
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20110312 06:01:10< CIA-52> espreon * r48853 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 9 dirs): Updated the British English translation.
20110312 06:03:29< CIA-52> espreon * r48854 /branches/1.8/data/core/about.cfg: Updated British English translation credits.
20110312 06:09:26< CIA-52> espreon * r48855 /trunk/changelog: Updated the changelog.
20110312 06:10:48< CIA-52> espreon * r48856 /branches/1.8/changelog: Updated the changelog.
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20110312 09:52:04< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48859 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-dm/fr.po wesnoth-utbs/fr.po): updated French translation
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20110312 12:12:00< CIA-52> fendrin * r48860 /branches/editor/src/SConscript: Fixed building with scons.
20110312 12:12:59< grigoryj> Hi guys
20110312 12:13:19< fendrin> hi grigoryj
20110312 12:13:23< grigoryj> Did you apply for GSoC this year?
20110312 12:13:30< fendrin> grigoryj: Yes
20110312 12:14:13< fendrin> grigoryj: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:Summer_of_Code_2011
20110312 12:14:40< grigoryj> That's great. I'm a student looking for an open source project to work on, thought Wesnoth might be a good opportunity for me.
20110312 12:19:53< fendrin> Nice to hear.
20110312 12:20:21< fendrin> grigoryj: Do you know the game?
20110312 12:21:52< grigoryj> Yes, I played it a little bit som time ago. Not familiar with the latest version though.
20110312 12:22:16< grigoryj> "Add WML Schema Validation to Wesnoth" - this looks like an interesting task
20110312 12:22:45< fendrin> Yes.
20110312 12:23:05< fendrin> I consider that not easy.
20110312 12:23:22< fendrin> I had once a try on the issue.
20110312 12:23:48< grigoryj> What was the major difficulty?
20110312 12:25:22< fendrin> Processing of wml is spread over the whole code. 
20110312 12:25:34< fendrin> There is not a single point to go for.
20110312 12:26:06< fendrin> wml is not defined at a single place.
20110312 12:26:20< fendrin> The c++ defines how things work through the implementation.
20110312 12:26:52< fendrin> Because of that AI0867 came up with the schema.cfg
20110312 12:27:11< fendrin> It is a file containing wml code that describes the other tags.
20110312 12:27:36< grigoryj> I see. So, what you mean, is there is no well-defined, separate subsystem that handles WML parsing and validation.
20110312 12:27:58< fendrin> You have a preprocessor and a parser.
20110312 12:28:23< fendrin> But those only get syntax errors and structure errors like unbalanced open cosed wml tags for example.
20110312 12:29:34< fendrin> Many cases of wrong written tag/attribute names or missing mandatory ones are only detected at the time the event is executed (in case of actionWML).
20110312 12:30:02< fendrin> Some cases are not detected at all the engine just does silently not what the coder expects.
20110312 12:31:31< grigoryj> Understood.
20110312 12:32:56< grigoryj> We need to perform both syntax and semantics of a WML document at load time.
20110312 12:34:28< grigoryj> By the way, defining the WML schema through WML itself looks like a neat idea to me - why invent a new language for that purpose? 
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20110312 13:03:59< fendrin> grigoryj: Well, yes. We have code that handles WML (except of the validation of course) but it looks like the wml that is mighty enough to describe all kind of wml right tends to be complicated.
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20110312 13:06:29< grigoryj> fendrin: In what sense complicated? Do you think it will be required to modify the core WML in order to be able to write schemas?
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20110312 13:17:47< fendrin> grigoryj: No.
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20110312 13:22:36< fendrin> I guess that we will have just huge structures.
20110312 13:22:59< fendrin> That is okay as long as these get only computer read/written.
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20110312 13:41:24< AI0867> grigoryj: well, most WML of the 'original' type ('unmanaged' WML) is just declarations. Those are fairly simple to describe
20110312 13:42:02< AI0867> then there's the tags that have mostly the same contents, which you don't want to describe 10 times, so you add inheritance
20110312 13:42:45< AI0867> then there's the tags that can contain keys of any name, depending on values in other tags
20110312 13:42:57< AI0867> and we've not even started on managed WML, which can be written at runtime
20110312 13:44:03< AI0867> I've written the first parts of the schema by hand, to get a feel for the what the semantics should be like, but I haven't gotten to the point where I've actually defined them
20110312 13:44:36< AI0867> after that is done the schema should be generated from comments, doxygen-like using the wiki-grabber or something similar
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20110312 13:47:24< mordante> servus
20110312 13:50:56< grigoryj> AI0867: is your shcema.cfg in the svn trunk?
20110312 13:51:20< mordante> Crendgrim, good to know the event bug is invalid, also couldn't reproduce it
20110312 13:51:41< Crendgrim> mordante: I'm very sorry about that. Didn't even imagine it could behave that way :x
20110312 13:52:17< mordante> no problem
20110312 13:52:27< mordante> what's with the new minimap?
20110312 13:52:54< CIA-52> fendrin * r48861 /branches/editor/ (6 files in 3 dirs): New gui elements enabled.
20110312 13:53:00< Crendgrim> mordante: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=481758#p481758
20110312 13:53:54< Crendgrim> hm
20110312 13:54:01< Crendgrim> forget about it.
20110312 13:54:32< mordante> uhm why it looks ugly now
20110312 13:54:37< Crendgrim> I made the screenshot yesterday. However, today it looks different.
20110312 13:55:05< AI0867> grigoryj: data/schema.cfg
20110312 13:55:10< Crendgrim> wait - now it says "1.9.2+svn(47678)" .. there's something wrong with my PC...
20110312 13:55:29< AI0867> Crendgrim: did you recently compile a debug version?
20110312 13:55:34< AI0867> using scons?
20110312 13:55:45< AI0867> scons build=release
20110312 13:56:21< Crendgrim> mordante: Yes, the graphical issue is still there.
20110312 13:57:02< Crendgrim> AI0867: Yesterday
20110312 13:57:42< mordante> fendrin, grigoryj the idea for scheme WML was to start with the gui since its code is isolated and has one load phase
20110312 13:58:23< mordante> Crendgrim, ok, well I did the new minimap widget, but it's also broken in the old minimap widget 
20110312 13:58:44< mordante> (not really a surprice since they use the same underlaying code)
20110312 13:59:00< Crendgrim> [Fortunatly, openSUSE released 11.4 on thursday. Going to reinstall *everything*. Hopefully I won't get those problems then any more :( ]
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20110312 15:03:46< iwontbecreative> mordante: Did you had a look to terrain2wiki.py?
20110312 15:04:35< mordante> iwontbecreative, yes, left a message in the log as well, but I think it should be its own page
20110312 15:05:11< mordante> since the page has a lot of useful information
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20110312 15:11:41< iwontbecreative> mordante: It's just a replacement for the terrain table
20110312 15:12:34< iwontbecreative> Only problem is that I still need to add « Stats from »
20110312 15:12:50< mordante> yup, so I was wondering what a good name for the page would be
20110312 15:13:18< fendrin> Ivanovic: Any news on when the release will be? I can read the topic but this is now a week. I would like to now if it is safe to work on trunk.
20110312 15:13:37< fendrin> s/now/know
20110312 15:16:16< iwontbecreative> mordante: TerrainTable doesn't work?
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20110312 15:31:25< mordante> iwontbecreative, yes something like that can work, will look into it later, probably today
20110312 15:31:31< mordante> wesbot, seen boucman
20110312 15:31:32< wesbot> mordante: The person with the nick boucman last spoke 1d ago.  22h 39m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20110312 15:32:20< mordante> Crendgrim, the image bug is indeed 1.9.x only was introduced in December
20110312 15:43:25< fendrin> What do you think about refactoring everything that is called "team" but actualy refers to a "side"?
20110312 15:43:43< fendrin> In some cases that lazy use of the terms is realy confusing.
20110312 15:46:40< Soliton> sounds good.
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20110312 15:55:10< timotei> hi
20110312 15:57:39< mordante> hi timotei 
20110312 15:57:46< timotei> hi there mordante 
20110312 15:59:53< fendrin> 	gui2::show_message(gui().video(), _("Side created") , _("The side number ") + side_str + _(" was created."));
20110312 15:59:54< mordante> fendrin, sounds like a good idea to refactor bad code, one request
20110312 16:00:09< fendrin> Ivanovic: ^ I guess this is a hell for translaters, right?
20110312 16:00:34< mordante> also please fix the array which sometimes start from one sometimes from zero
20110312 16:01:12< fendrin> You mean there is an array where the first element is left empty?
20110312 16:01:13< mordante> fendrin, yes it is hell we have vgettext for that purpose
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20110312 16:01:46< mordante> I just recall there is some odd indexing in that code as well, which also confuses people
20110312 16:01:52< mordante> can't exactly remember what
20110312 16:02:13< fendrin> Or can you define arrays in c++ that start at one?
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20110312 16:03:31< mordante> no you can't
20110312 16:03:52< mordante> that was one of the cool features in pascal you could define the upper and lower bound of an array
20110312 16:04:13< mordante> so if an array from 5 to 10 made sense, then you could define it like that
20110312 16:05:17< fendrin> sounds very confusing
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20110312 16:08:18< mordante> well it can be useful at times
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20110312 16:35:26< Ivanovic> fendrin: noy mentioned that it would be ready "soon"
20110312 16:35:32< Ivanovic> fendrin: and no, the string this way *sucks*
20110312 16:35:54< Ivanovic> "The side number $SIDE was created." would be the better solution
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20110312 16:40:08< CIA-52> mordante * r48862 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/sdl_utils.cpp): 
20110312 16:40:08< CIA-52> Fixed the problem with black lines in the minimap.
20110312 16:40:08< CIA-52> Crendgrim pointed me at the issue [1], which was caused by r47967. [2] shows
20110312 16:40:21< mordante> Crendgrim, ^ and http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=481831#p481831
20110312 16:41:45< Crendgrim> mordante: thanks :)
20110312 16:41:54< mordante> you're welcome
20110312 16:43:29< mordante> too bad you can't attach images to svn log messages ;-)
20110312 16:44:20< Crendgrim> you only have to return to ASCII art
20110312 16:44:55< mordante> hmm alpha blending in ASCII art... 
20110312 16:45:41< Crendgrim> hm. valid point.
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20110312 16:52:09< mordante> timotei, can you confirm this issue on Windows, can't reproduce it on Linux https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17868
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20110312 16:55:01< timotei> mordante: hm.. let me download 1.9.4
20110312 16:55:14< mordante> timotei, feel free to test with trunk
20110312 16:55:25< timotei> mordante: well.. it still need compiling :P
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20110312 16:55:37< timotei> I'll start the download and compiling
20110312 16:55:45< mordante> ok thanks
20110312 16:55:45< timotei> whoever wins shall be tested :D
20110312 16:58:17< mordante> :-)
20110312 17:08:40< timotei> there was a guy yesterday complaining about downloading each time a lot of MB just for small updates. would an 'wesnoth updater system' be a valid gsoc idea?
20110312 17:09:47< Soliton> not unless you can make sure you/someone will maintain it forever.
20110312 17:12:01< timotei> mordante: tested with windows 7 x64, 1.9.4 from website
20110312 17:12:04< timotei> can't reproduce
20110312 17:12:14< timotei> maybe it was a temporary issue/conflict with other programs?
20110312 17:12:23< mordante> ok thanks timotei 
20110312 17:12:29< timotei> yw
20110312 17:12:51< mordante> no idea, what the cause is, but if we can't reproduce it we can't fix it
20110312 17:13:37< timotei> yeah
20110312 17:15:01< mordante> I don't think the fixing of the download size is a big enough project for GSoC
20110312 17:17:16< Gambit> I had that on Windows. It would think that the alt key was still pressed down.
20110312 17:17:40< Gambit> I always just assumed it was Windows's fault.
20110312 17:18:08< mordante> Gambit, on Windows if you use alt+tab when does the focus change, when you release tab or if you release the alt or both?
20110312 17:18:22< Gambit> I don't remember.
20110312 17:18:30< Gambit> timotei: poke ^
20110312 17:19:30< Crendgrim> timotei: I'm using your eclipse plugin again (because I try to convert an old WML project of mine to 1.9). I tried to move a .cfg file into "scenarios" - and now it hangs on "preprocessing file". Why does that take so long? And why is it done at all? :/
20110312 17:27:05< timotei> Gambit: I never had problems like that. but surely wesnoth is not guilty.
20110312 17:27:32< timotei> Crendgrim: hmm... preprocessing is done in other to gather infos about the ... file :)
20110312 17:27:47< Gambit> timotei: does focus change when you release or when you press alt+tab. mordante wanted to know, but I'm not on Windows anymore
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20110312 17:28:12< Crendgrim> timotei: Then I'd like to know why it doesn't stop :(
20110312 17:28:26< timotei> Crendgrim: one sec
20110312 17:28:46< timotei> Crendgrim: do you have a printscreen? There are 3 messages preprocessing file :P
20110312 17:30:04< Crendgrim> timotei: I just closed Eclipse .. 
20110312 17:30:15< timotei> Crendgrim: ok
20110312 17:30:35< timotei> Crendgrim: the worst case what happened, is wesnoth hanged on preprocessing the file:)
20110312 17:30:44< Crendgrim> could be
20110312 17:31:03< timotei> and I don't continue to next file until I preprocess the current file
20110312 17:31:14< timotei> though it may be interesting to see the result of parallel preprocessings xD
20110312 17:31:18< Crendgrim> I see.. now it preprocesses all the other config files in my project..
20110312 17:31:56< timotei> Crendgrim: basically preprocessing is a critical task in order to get info about the files
20110312 17:32:05< timotei> otherwise I would have to create my own preprocessor xD
20110312 17:32:16< Crendgrim> it only says "Building workspace" and "Preprocessing file scenario.cfg ..."
20110312 17:32:26< timotei> and I don't think that's the way to go *unless* we want to port wesnoth to java xD
20110312 17:32:47< timotei> Crendgrim: that must be. could you chec if there is any
20110312 17:32:50< timotei> wesnoth.exe process?
20110312 17:32:51< timotei> started?
20110312 17:33:00< Crendgrim> .exe? No. :p
20110312 17:33:01< timotei> (I assume you don't have wesnoth running by yoursellf)
20110312 17:33:07< timotei> ok, wesnoth process*
20110312 17:33:18< Crendgrim> yes, it is
20110312 17:33:52< timotei> kill it, and check if that makes the plugin continue
20110312 17:33:55< Crendgrim> but it doesn't seem to do anything...
20110312 17:33:59< timotei> hmm
20110312 17:34:08< Crendgrim> hu oO
20110312 17:34:23< Crendgrim> killing it made Firefox say "there are 2 updates available"... :D
20110312 17:34:26< timotei> lol
20110312 17:34:27< timotei> >))
20110312 17:34:42< Crendgrim> however - now it is done building. Thanks.
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20110312 17:34:54< timotei> Crendgrim: I was curios on why it hangs the preprocessing
20110312 17:35:03< Crendgrim> maybe my crappy WML :)
20110312 17:35:04< timotei> I need to recall if I record the preprocessing args in the log
20110312 17:35:07< timotei> and I think I do
20110312 17:35:28< timotei> Crab_: do you mind sending me the archived /tmp/wesnoth_plugin (or smth like that)/logs?
20110312 17:35:33< timotei> oh, sorry, Crendgrim ^
20110312 17:35:39< Crab_> timotei: :)
20110312 17:36:06< Crendgrim> sometimes I have trouble with my temp dir ... let's see..
20110312 17:36:57< timotei> Crendgrim: and if you want, after I read the logs, I can tell you the command used by the plugin, so you can check that from command line, to see the output of the wesnoth preprocessor. of course, if you have time and want 
20110312 17:36:59< Crendgrim> woa.. many logs in that dir... 
20110312 17:37:02< timotei> xD
20110312 17:37:10< timotei> for each startup:)
20110312 17:37:24< Crendgrim> I see I used Eclipse much... :)
20110312 17:38:03< mordante> timotei, well if we know how to reproduce it I can see who's to blame Windows or Wesnoth, but I'll ask the poster of the bug report for more details
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20110312 17:39:16< timotei> Gambit: checking now
20110312 17:40:07< cmihail> hy, in order to connect to gna.org via ssh I have to take the content in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and add it at Authorized keys or is there a way to upload the file it self(not the content)
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20110312 17:41:52< timotei> cmihail: I remember you have to copy-past
20110312 17:42:17< timotei> Gambit, mordante well, if I don't release the alt when alt-tabbing
20110312 17:42:22< timotei> it won't switch back to wesnoth anyway
20110312 17:42:29< timotei> I'm understanding it wrong?
20110312 17:42:41< cmihail> timotei: ok, thx, now I'm waiting the cron job to add me
20110312 17:42:50< timotei> Crendgrim: you can use my email address for the log: 
20110312 17:42:54< timotei> (see PM)
20110312 17:44:22< Gambit> :|
20110312 17:44:29< Gambit> timotei: hold down alt+tab
20110312 17:44:40< Gambit> does the window change then, or does it wait until after you let them go?
20110312 17:45:18< timotei> Gambit: that's what I said. it won't change unless letting them go ;)
20110312 17:45:28< timotei> the focus I'm taking
20110312 17:45:35< timotei> talking*
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20110312 18:31:42< CIA-52> mordante * r48863 /branches/1.8/src/play_controller.cpp: Fix a compiler warning.
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20110312 19:09:31< CIA-52> fendrin * r48864 /branches/editor/ (26 files in 6 dirs): Made the side management and the info displaying for the sides complete.
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20110312 19:20:11< mordante> noy, do you have an eta for the Khalifate?
20110312 19:20:30< noy> sometime next week
20110312 19:20:43< mordante> ok thanks
20110312 19:20:44< noy> we just need to make some final tweaks
20110312 19:20:59< noy> maybe sunday at the latest
20110312 19:33:19< iwontbecreative> Ivanovic: Sent a message to the french translation mailing-list, we should have a new maintainer now and you should recieve a mail with translations that can be comitted.
20110312 19:43:48< CIA-52> crab * r48865 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Patch #2551 by TronPaul: support for map_passable and leader_passable values of 'placement=' attribute of [unit] tag
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20110312 20:08:33< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: i got a bunch of updates and no idea what to best do with those...
20110312 20:08:34< Ivanovic> ;)
20110312 20:08:45< Ivanovic> (that is: where to commit what and things like those)
20110312 20:09:03< iwontbecreative> Who sent them?
20110312 20:09:12< Ivanovic> (that "gathering and sorting" part is the main job of the maintainer)
20110312 20:09:36< Ivanovic> guillaume guigou
20110312 20:09:43< iwontbecreative> Exactly, that's what I said in the message I sent today to the ml
20110312 20:09:46< iwontbecreative> Hmmm
20110312 20:10:49< Ivanovic> i got three mails today, two of them being plain forwards of other mails
20110312 20:11:24< Ivanovic> no repackaging into "single archive" as well as no "this update is meant for 1.8 only" or "this update is meant for trunk only" or "this update is meant for both, trunk and 1.8"
20110312 20:11:49< iwontbecreative> So that's why the diff of the french translation looked weird
20110312 20:12:02< iwontbecreative> They are some mistakes in that translation
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20110312 20:12:07< Ivanovic> i already replied to the last of those mails, stating that i just commited the work from the very first mail to both, 1.8 (this was mentioned in the topic) as well as in trunk
20110312 20:12:51< iwontbecreative> Like "Death of Someone" being translated to "Someone"
20110312 20:14:10< Ivanovic> iwontbecreative: this is what i commited: 1.8: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?rev=48858&view=rev trunk: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?rev=48859&view=rev
20110312 20:14:18< Ivanovic> the rest is unchanged
20110312 20:14:52< iwontbecreative> The "new maintainer" email adress should be alittlewoodelfe@free.fr and his name should contain Benoit 
20110312 20:15:24< Ivanovic> nope, haven't got something from him (yet)
20110312 20:15:35< iwontbecreative> But Guillaume Guigou was one of the maintainers till today, when I sent the mail
20110312 20:15:50< iwontbecreative> Neither Guillaume Guigou and noyga answered the mail
20110312 20:16:03< iwontbecreative> So I considered they were inactive
20110312 20:16:17< iwontbecreative> Since I sent the first mail 20 days ago
20110312 20:20:05< iwontbecreative> Ivanovic: Had a look, only problems with translations are for commented out ones
20110312 20:20:09< iwontbecreative> So I guess it's ok
20110312 20:20:23< iwontbecreative> But would be nice if Guillaume Guigou read and answered the ml
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20110312 20:23:26< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48866 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tb/vi.po: updated Vietnamese translation
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20110312 20:47:18< mordante> shadowmaster, there is a password remind button in the server connect dialog, which doesn't work, do you know something about this feature?
20110312 20:47:45< shadowmaster> no
20110312 20:48:34< mordante> any idea who does know something about it?
20110312 20:49:06< shadowmaster> whoever wrote it in the first place, I guess
20110312 20:55:06< mordante> looks like that was Baufo, so hoped you knew more about it ;-)
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20110312 23:59:27-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.5 planned once the Khalifate are in | 187 bugs, 303 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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