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20110313 00:29:44< Nephro> !seen crab__
20110313 00:29:50< Nephro> argh
20110313 00:29:55< Nephro> how to use this one?
20110313 00:31:19< Nephro> no bother, sorted it out
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20110313 01:11:10< Aethaeryn> Nephro: it works like this:
20110313 01:11:13< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen crab_
20110313 01:11:14< wesbot> Aethaeryn: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 7h 35m ago.  3h 50m ago person left:
20110313 01:12:56< Nephro> Thanks, I found that out in private with wesbot :)
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20110313 02:04:19< Nephro> Aethaeryn, sorry to bother, but do you by any chance know, where Crab is from? I can't seem to catch him here a lot, maybe it's because of the timezones
20110313 02:06:22< Espreon> Nephro: I believe he lives in Ukraine.
20110313 02:06:54< Nephro> Hmm, that would be -2 hours here in the UK I suppose
20110313 02:07:44< Aethaeryn> +2 I believe
20110313 02:07:48< Aethaeryn> since it's relative to GMT
20110313 02:07:53< Aethaeryn> with east being + and west being -
20110313 02:08:41< Nephro> Ah, well, you're probably right :)
20110313 02:14:31< Nephro> Good night, everyone
20110313 02:16:06< Aethaeryn> Well, in GMT + 6 you'd be saying good morning.
20110313 02:16:09< Aethaeryn> So clearly, not everyone
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20110313 08:08:08-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 1.9.5 planned once the Khalifate are in | 187 bugs, 303 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110313 08:08:08-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Sat Mar 12 23:59:27 2011]
20110313 08:08:08[Users #wesnoth-dev]
20110313 08:08:08[ ABCD     ] [ elias    ] [ Guest24272] [ lobby         ] [ Smar    ] 
20110313 08:08:08[ Aethaeryn] [ eoc`     ] [ happygrue ] [ LordNasty     ] [ stikonas] 
20110313 08:08:08[ AI0867   ] [ erl      ] [ Ingmar    ] [ molgrum       ] [ Tigge   ] 
20110313 08:08:08[ akzfowl  ] [ Espreon  ] [ isaac     ] [ noy           ] [ TronPaul] 
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20110313 08:08:16-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009
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20110313 08:27:06< mordante> servus
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20110313 08:31:03< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20110313 08:31:11< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33282 ... Blargh...
20110313 08:31:21< mordante> hi Espreon 
20110313 08:31:29< Espreon> Some guy's proposing that we use a certain font...
20110313 08:32:33< mordante> the font has a nice name :-)
20110313 08:32:41< Espreon> I hate its name.
20110313 08:34:43< mordante> I only think the font looks ugly at some parts, the ß the connection between the long s and the short s looks bad
20110313 08:35:33< shadowmaster> freetype renders it horribly at low sizes
20110313 08:35:46< Espreon> Damn you, freetype!
20110313 08:36:06< shadowmaster> actually, I don't know anymore
20110313 08:36:25< shadowmaster> I've heard so much about how font rendering works on Linux that I might as well blame the kernel
20110313 08:36:32< mordante> I just look at examples at the website and they look bad to me
20110313 08:36:44< mordante> and I wonder whether it's freetype or the font design
20110313 08:37:07< shadowmaster> s/freetype/the font rendering sorcerer/
20110313 08:37:40< Espreon> If it truly be a sorcerer, tell 'im to do a better job.
20110313 08:37:53< shadowmaster> Multiple people have tried.
20110313 08:38:23< mordante> also the smallcaps ligature ff looks weird
20110313 08:40:41< shadowmaster> Espreon: since you probably aren't on Linux atm
20110313 08:40:47< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.ai0867.net/servus.png
20110313 08:41:01< shadowmaster> notice the 'n' in "brown"
20110313 08:41:20< Espreon> Ugh...
20110313 08:41:35< Espreon> Note to self: set up a fund for Freetype.\
20110313 08:41:37< shadowmaster> also ju-mps, qui-ck
20110313 08:41:37< TronPaul> yea r and n look...
20110313 08:43:34< mordante> the kerning between the w and n looks off as well and the kerning between p and s in jumps looks too small
20110313 08:44:45< mordante> the d of dog in the second line also looks bad
20110313 08:46:16 * mordante likes the IJ in the example, looks like the Dutch special digraph
20110313 08:49:24< CIA-52> mordante * r48868 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/minimap.cpp: Avoid a deferring a NULL pointer.
20110313 08:49:29< CIA-52> mordante * r48869 /trunk/src/tests/gui/test_gui2.cpp: 
20110313 08:49:29< CIA-52> Make sure a reference isn't bound to a temporary.
20110313 08:49:29< CIA-52> The minimap widget which gets the references stores the reference not a
20110313 08:49:33< CIA-52> mordante * r48867 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp): 
20110313 08:49:33< CIA-52> Add a new register_text function.
20110313 08:49:33< CIA-52> This version also allows to set the focus to a widget. The goal is to
20110313 08:49:43< CIA-52> mordante * r48872 /trunk/src/dialogs.cpp: 
20110313 08:49:43< CIA-52> Add another user of tgame_delete class.
20110313 08:49:43< CIA-52> This also fixes the behaviour that closing the dialog with 'no' still
20110313 08:49:49< CIA-52> mordante * r48874 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp): 
20110313 08:49:49< CIA-52> Add register functions to the dialog.
20110313 08:49:49< CIA-52> The functions added allow to register images and labels.
20110313 08:49:53< CIA-52> mordante * r48876 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp): 
20110313 08:49:53< CIA-52> Add a register_bool2 function.
20110313 08:49:53< CIA-52> The original version has an optional flag the new version a mandatory
20110313 08:50:07< CIA-52> mordante * r48878 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp): 
20110313 08:50:07< CIA-52> Add a register_text2 function.
20110313 08:50:07< CIA-52> The original version has an optional flag the new version a
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20110313 09:46:32< Ivanovic> moin
20110313 09:46:37< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20110313 09:47:01< Ivanovic> noy: any khlaifate news?
20110313 09:47:08< noy> one more week
20110313 09:47:19< noy> we need to do some final tweaks and I've been busy
20110313 09:48:15< mordante> Rhonda, regarding http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617945
20110313 09:48:38< mordante> Rhonda, wesnoth-server is needed to play local MP campaigns as well
20110313 09:49:11< mordante> Rhonda, didn't find that information in the control file of the package, nor in the dep/rec/sug part
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20110313 09:53:23< Soliton> why is wesnoth-server needed? what's wrong with a local game?
20110313 09:54:03< Ivanovic> Soliton: i think what mordante means are games in a lan
20110313 09:54:11< Ivanovic> the "host game" option
20110313 09:54:28< Ivanovic> cf the bug report
20110313 09:54:50< Ivanovic> for that one you do need the server installed, since an instance of it is simply started and kept open till all players are gone
20110313 09:55:20< mordante> Soliton, yes that's what I meant, forgot we also have the option local game
20110313 09:55:33< Soliton> ok.
20110313 09:56:20< Soliton> i was wondering if a dependency from LoW to wesnothd was suggested.
20110313 09:57:43< mordante> no nothing suggest wesnoth-server
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20110313 09:59:03< timotei> morning
20110313 09:59:29< mordante> hi timotei 
20110313 09:59:43< timotei> hi mordante 
20110313 10:11:24< CIA-52> ivanovic * r48880 /trunk/po/ (11 files in 11 dirs): updated Czech and Vietnamese translation
20110313 10:12:17< Ivanovic> zookeeper: what changes do you currently have planned for the campaign sceptre of fire in the 1.9.x series?
20110313 10:12:39< Ivanovic> (the textdomain is still marked "not ready" at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TextdomainStatus which is my reason for asking)
20110313 10:16:16< zookeeper> Ivanovic, the only big change i've got planned is rewriting the last scenario, but whether or not i'll manage to do that before the freezes depends on when they'll be...
20110313 10:19:18< zookeeper> i don't know when exactly i'll likely get back to doing proper wesnoth work, but i'd expect not to for at least another month or a few
20110313 10:19:28< Ivanovic> okay, added this info so taht translators at least know what to expect
20110313 10:20:13< Ivanovic> if you have info like this for trow, tsg, ei, httt and the other campaigns you maintain, too, it would be really good to have it listed
20110313 10:20:29< Ivanovic> (in the column "Changes still planned (before 1.10)")
20110313 10:22:17< zookeeper> i'll try to add it, but if it looks like i've forgotten, keep bugging me about it, please :p
20110313 10:22:37< Ivanovic> will do so
20110313 10:23:00< Ivanovic> you know, you could just open the wiki page now and add some rough "rewrite scenario" comments and be done
20110313 10:23:01< Ivanovic> ;)
20110313 10:23:13< Ivanovic> or some "rework story" or...
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20110313 10:27:07< zookeeper> mmkay, i guess the only bigger changes i got planned are for EI, i'll add those
20110313 10:27:18< Ivanovic> great
20110313 10:27:43< Ivanovic> if you don't have great changes (some small term stuff is *normal*) you can mark those domains as "ready", too
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20110313 10:30:52< zookeeper> Ivanovic, okay, done
20110313 10:31:15< Ivanovic> zookeeper: great, thanks
20110313 10:31:59< Ivanovic> Espreon: since we already are at adding stuff: could you add your planned changes for utbs?
20110313 10:32:16< zookeeper> uh, looks like the wiki is getting spammed a lot?
20110313 10:32:21< Espreon> Ivanovic: Dude, I'm not touching UtBS till 1.11.
20110313 10:32:21< Ivanovic> no idea
20110313 10:32:30< Ivanovic> Espreon: uhm, are you not the maintainer?
20110313 10:32:44< Espreon> Well, I mean... the major changes...
20110313 10:32:47< Ivanovic> and, you know that 1.10 freeze won't be before september?
20110313 10:32:59< Ivanovic> (unless we are not accepted in gsoc, then things *can* be different)
20110313 10:33:05< Espreon> It'll probably take quite a while before I get anything done.
20110313 10:33:11< Ivanovic> then utbs *is* in fact ready, right?
20110313 10:33:19< Espreon> Sure, why not?
20110313 10:33:25< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TextdomainStatus
20110313 10:33:35< Espreon> I'm honestly not going to try to get anything major done till 1.11.
20110313 10:33:39< Ivanovic> because i already pinged all campaign maintainers before asking them to set the status
20110313 10:34:52< Espreon> Done.
20110313 10:35:16< Ivanovic> thanks
20110313 10:35:59< Espreon> No prob.
20110313 10:36:28< Espreon> ... and I'll probably regret doing that.
20110313 10:36:43< Espreon> IDK...
20110313 10:36:54< Ivanovic> hehe
20110313 10:36:54< Espreon> What if I start going on a roll after school's over?
20110313 10:37:32< Ivanovic> then you could already list "general rewrite of ABC still possible" with "wait for string freeze"
20110313 10:37:40< Espreon> Yeah.
20110313 10:38:14< Ivanovic> what just really sucks is "general development" (for campaigns) with "not ready"
20110313 10:39:31< Espreon> Done.
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20110313 11:06:03< Soliton> Espreon: did you already request wmllint support for the PICKUPPABLE_ITEM change?
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20110313 11:10:56< Espreon> Soliton: No.
20110313 11:19:03< CIA-52> mordante * r48881 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (editor_new_map.cpp editor_new_map.hpp): Change teditor_new_map to use register_xxx.
20110313 11:19:05< CIA-52> mordante * r48882 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20110313 11:19:05< CIA-52> Polished taddon_description.
20110313 11:19:05< CIA-52> - Use the register_xxx functions.
20110313 11:19:26< CIA-52> mordante * r48884 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
20110313 11:19:26< CIA-52> Tooltips no longer capture the keyboard.
20110313 11:19:26< CIA-52> Fixes bug #17797.
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20110313 13:45:35< Rhonda> mordante: I know, I will put it into Recommends, now that it's disabled by default. But I think there was a mistake with a patch there, if it's installed it should find it properly, the bugreport was about not finding it, not that it wasn't installed.
20110313 13:48:47< Nephro> Good morning... Is someone here, who I can talk about various GSoC organizational questions? (most of which arose when I read the 2011 ideas page) :)
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20110313 14:01:11< Nephro> shadowm_laptop, morning, I was reading http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas, and under "VERY IMPORTANT" found "If you haven't done so yet, create an account on the wesnoth forum, and tell an admin of the forum or leader of the group on the IRC channel to mark it as a GSoC Student account"... Don't know how important that really is, but why not. I registered the acc some time ago, and started (probably the most un
20110313 14:01:11< Nephro> popular) thread about my compilation problem. I've also heard something about a questionnaire more than once, but can't figure out what is it about and where to get it :)
20110313 14:05:33< Soliton> it'd probably be helpful to mention the name of the forum account.
20110313 14:06:12< Nephro> oh, it's the same as here: Nephor
20110313 14:06:16< Nephro> Nephro*
20110313 14:06:21< eoc> Nephro: questionnaire refers to these questions: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#Does_your_organization_have_an_application_template_you_would_like_to_see_students_use.3F_If_so.2C_please_provide_it_now._Please_note_that_it_is_a_very_good_idea_to_ask_students_to_provide_you_with_their_contact_information_as_part_of_your_template._Their_contact_details_will_not_be_shared_with_you_automatically_via_the_GSoC_2011_site.
20110313 14:06:26< eoc> gah what a link :)
20110313 14:07:03< Nephro> Very informative link, I must say :)
20110313 14:07:17< Nephro> thanks, eoc 
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20110313 14:32:35< shadowmaster> Nephro: hm, note that we don't know whether wesnoth will be accepted yet :)
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20110313 14:35:23< Nephro> That doesn't matter to me much... I was looking for participation in a software dev. project for ages now. Noone in uni wanted to hear me out, answering "we have nothing for 1st years'", without even finding out what I am capable of. I will probably work on the project anyway, since it includes a lot of my fields of interest :)
20110313 14:37:10< shadowmaster> added
20110313 14:40:29< Nephro> Are there any student pages up yet? Just want to check  out their format, before starting my own
20110313 14:41:23< mordante> Rhonda, yes but I was referring to the "An additional bonus would be if wesnoth would suggest to install the server package" part
20110313 14:41:59< shadowmaster> Nephro: I don't think so, but you could check those of past years, particularly 2010
20110313 14:42:03< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:Summer_of_Code_2010_Student_Page
20110313 14:43:03< shadowmaster> ...where's Aethaeryn when I need snarky commentary on the page titles :)
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20110313 16:56:23< Nephro> Hi, Crab_... I wanted to ask some things about your GSoC idea(ai). Do I understand right, that src/ai/lua/* are the only files exposed to lua atm? And the rest of the .cpp files in src/ai still need exposure?
20110313 16:57:05< Crab_> Nephro: hi
20110313 16:59:00< Crab_> Nephro: well, src/ai/lua/ will contain code which will expose all the useful things that are in other files to lua.
20110313 16:59:16< Crab_> Nephro: but not all the things are 'useful' to lua ai code.
20110313 16:59:35< Crab_> for example, many things can be obtained via usual interface between wesnoth and lua
20110313 16:59:49< Crab_> you should try to write your own small ai routine to see what's missing for you
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20110313 17:00:13< Crab_> srcdst/dstsrc/enemy_srcdst/enemy_dstsrc maps are missing, aspect values (caution/aggression/etc) are missing
20110313 17:00:24< Crab_> that's the most important stuff
20110313 17:07:02< Nephro> Ok, I'll try to hack around... Need a rest from studying Lua C api anyway :)
20110313 17:07:10< Crab_> :))
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20110313 17:16:58< Nephro> is the AI Arena still supported and cool? because the info on its page was not updated for some time?
20110313 17:17:44< Crab_> well, ./wesnoth -t ai_arena_small -d works
20110313 17:18:34< Crab_> you can use it if you need to run a number of different test cases with the ability to change the ai or test case without reloading wesnoth
20110313 17:19:24< Crab_> you can also use ./wesnoth -t lua_ai -d
20110313 17:19:36< Crab_> it's standalone scenario with some basic lua ai things in it
20110313 17:19:54< Crab_> it still works )\
20110313 17:21:14< Nephro> Well, since I am intending to work on Lua, I'd probably use the lua_ai one :)
20110313 17:21:27< Crab_> ok )
20110313 17:21:33< Crab_> both use lua :)
20110313 17:21:42< Crab_> ai arena uses lua to register the scenarios
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20110313 17:21:59< Crab_> lua_ai one is more useful if you want to try one thing and gradually improve it
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20110313 17:51:32< AI0867> with silene gone again, who feels they are particularly knowledgable about the preprocessor?
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20110313 17:52:38< vdaras> Crab_, assuming that lua code defined in an ai tag is called once per turn, how is it possible to keep state between calls? Can you define global variables using the .cfg file? If not, I assume that keeping state can only be achieved by using lua closures
20110313 17:53:18< mordante> AI0867, I guess nobody
20110313 17:54:18< AI0867> I wrote a tool, called umcguard, intended to guard and keep in sync multiple copies of the same WML across different add-ons
20110313 17:54:36< AI0867> the problem is that a new preprocessor instance is created for every add-on
20110313 17:54:57< Crab_> vdaras: for each ai, there's a lua ai engine, which has a lua table accociated with it
20110313 17:55:21< AI0867> as that is a feature, I was wondering whether adding new directives that *are* persistent across instances would be reasonable
20110313 17:55:49< Crab_> vdaras: this table is the argument which is passed to candidate_actions and stages as the 'ai' arg
20110313 17:56:26< Crab_> vdaras: it should be possible to store information in this table
20110313 17:57:07< vdaras> Thank you very much sir!
20110313 17:57:32< Crab_> vdaras: this info won't be kept between save/loads, but that can be fixed later, if necessary.
20110313 17:58:43< Crab_> note that ' lua code defined in an ai tag is called once per turn' is not correct, check data/ai/scenarios/scenario-lua-ai.cfg for the example of current ai components written in lua
20110313 17:59:01< mordante> AI0867, is the WML also copied in several addons or included from several addons?
20110313 17:59:21< Crab_> (lua stages are used once per turn, yes)
20110313 17:59:45< CIA-52> fendrin * r48885 /branches/editor/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): 
20110313 17:59:45< CIA-52> Enabled the drawing of units.
20110313 17:59:45< CIA-52> But they are still not visible. :-(
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20110313 18:00:00< AI0867> mordante: it's copied into at least 4 add-ons
20110313 18:00:42< AI0867> mainly TerrainWML and TerrainGraphicsWML at the moment, which are a problem in the editor and multiplayer
20110313 18:01:17< vdaras> actually that's the file that I was reading few minutes ago. but the line "if wesnoth.current.turn==1 then" confused me a lot :S
20110313 18:01:57< AI0867> multiplayer will be fixed once we can guard that, but the editor needs to have all of them available
20110313 18:02:22< AI0867> my tool is intended to present only a single copy, while ensuring that they all match
20110313 18:02:39< mordante> and your tools is a stand-alone tool?
20110313 18:03:03< AI0867> it's a python script derived from wmlindent
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20110313 18:05:03< mordante> I guess it would boil down to getting namespaces or modules in WML
20110313 18:05:21< mordante> not sure what the best approach would be however
20110313 18:05:50< mordante> and of course if we can get dependencies to work nicely on the server there only needs to be one version there
20110313 18:05:57< AI0867> true
20110313 18:05:58< mordante> (preferably hidden for the user)
20110313 18:06:07< Crab_> vdaras well, that code is a function definition.. so, when it's used, the turn will be taken from current turn, so it would make sense )
20110313 18:06:39< AI0867> I don't know that code, but if it gets too complicated, wouldn't it be preferable to just use APT?
20110313 18:06:54< AI0867> we'd get lots of extra features too
20110313 18:07:16< mordante> apt as the Debian tool?
20110313 18:07:43< AI0867> yeah
20110313 18:08:09< vdaras> Yeap, I know but seeing that test I assumed that the code was called once every turn. Nevermind, I'm running the lua_test scenario in order to better understand how it works
20110313 18:08:32< mordante> not sure whether it works on Windows and Mac
20110313 18:08:47< mordante> and it might be a little bit overkill
20110313 18:09:07< mordante> afk, food's ready
20110313 18:12:34< vdaras> I'm starting to grasp the concept , your feedback is appreciated
20110313 18:12:38< AI0867> I'm certain that it's overkill, but the add-on server code has been progressing very slowly
20110313 18:12:49< AI0867> perhaps I should familiarize myself with it
20110313 18:13:22< AI0867> and APT works on windows at least, cygwin uses it
20110313 18:13:43< AI0867> cydia (jailbroken iphones) isn't much more than a frontend to apt
20110313 18:13:56< AI0867> and there's probably a port for OS X too
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20110313 18:31:05< timotei> Crab_: I'm wondering, isn't allowed for student to do the same pre-gsoc tasks multiple times? Especially like this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=SoC_Ideas_LuaAI_2011&diff=40789&oldid=40719
20110313 18:31:11< timotei> s/student/students
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20110313 18:38:03< Crab_> timotei: allowed. but it's nicer if they do different things. I've asked vdaras to make this change to wiki page, btw :) )
20110313 18:38:16< timotei> Crab_: Ok!. just asking :P
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20110313 18:38:31< Crab_> timotei: ok :) it's good to know that you're watching ;)))
20110313 18:38:57< timotei> Crab_: I was thinking that soon the pre gsoc task will be taken, since AI is a hot subject each year
20110313 18:38:58< timotei> xD
20110313 18:39:02< timotei> s/task/tasks
20110313 18:40:48< Crab_> timotei: well, after they'll all taken, it'll be safe to remove the notes about taken tasks :) or add new :)
20110313 18:41:00< timotei> oky doky
20110313 18:41:43< timotei> (I was just watching recent changes too, since there were a lot of spam pages, but it seems Aetheryn has already dealt with them)
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20110313 18:42:21< mordante> AI0867, ok good to know apt works on all, and I agree with the progress of the addon server
20110313 18:42:44< mordante> I've been tempted to look at it myself, but I rather finish gui2 first
20110313 18:42:47< TronPaul> hmm what's the AI suggestion this year?
20110313 18:43:36< mordante> TronPaul, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Ideas_LuaAI_2011
20110313 18:43:53< TronPaul> yea i'm reading it
20110313 18:44:35< TronPaul> i might submit a proposal for the spritesheet, but I'd need to look into how it would be done
20110313 18:44:40< TronPaul> that or eclipse
20110313 18:45:04< Crab_> TronPaul: for the spritesheet, look at last year's proposal of gabba, for the spritesheets
20110313 18:45:26< TronPaul> was it unfinished?
20110313 18:45:32< TronPaul> or just unaccepted?
20110313 18:45:47< Crab_> unaccepted, but it was good. another of gabba's proposals was accepted instead :)
20110313 18:46:44< mordante> whiteboard got accepted and it was something he came up with himself
20110313 18:46:50< mordante> so he preferred that task
20110313 18:47:05< TronPaul> i haven't worked with gfx much in any language...
20110313 18:48:30< TronPaul> let's see how it would be...
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20110313 18:53:00< timotei> hi boucman 
20110313 18:53:43< boucman> hey all
20110313 18:53:53< Crab_> hi, boucman
20110313 18:53:54< TronPaul> hello
20110313 18:54:06< boucman> fendrin, mordante: looking for me ?
20110313 18:54:11< mordante> hi boucman 
20110313 18:54:33< mordante> boucman, I've been thinking about the wikigrabber tool
20110313 18:54:42< boucman> yes ?
20110313 18:54:50< mordante> it can generate pages which should not be modified by the user
20110313 18:55:05< mordante> would it be handy to give those pages a special prefix in their name?
20110313 18:57:07< boucman> mordante: that might be a way of doing it, but I think there is a way to set a wiki page as unchageable except by special users... it probably would be better to manage it that way
20110313 18:57:15< boucman> don't we have a wiki expert somewhere ?
20110313 18:58:28< mordante> boucman, it's possible to set them not editable
20110313 18:59:01< Crab_> yes, it's possible to allow only specific groups to edit a specific page
20110313 18:59:41< mordante> I just wonder do we need to add markers to these pages or not
20110313 18:59:51< mordante> so the user is aware the page is not editable
20110313 18:59:54< boucman> then it might be worth doing a "autogenerated" group, and give it only to bot(s)
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20110313 19:00:12< mordante> there is http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:Generated
20110313 19:00:43< boucman> yes, that would probably be enough, I don't think it's worth making the page name longer (and less readable) just for that...
20110313 19:01:14< Crab_> no need for that
20110313 19:01:33< mordante> well I'm more wondering about not to confuse the user
20110313 19:01:49< Crab_> well, your template is ok for not confusing the user
20110313 19:02:21< mordante> I only add a catagory, nothing more fancy
20110313 19:02:31< mordante> the text at the top is done manually
20110313 19:03:03< Crab_> mordante: ah. it's better to do a template which has text+category then
20110313 19:03:25< mordante> that's about what I was to request ;-)
20110313 19:03:51< Crab_> mordante: that doesn't require admin rights  and is easy to do... I was thinking about a slightly different thing
20110313 19:03:52< mordante> would it be possible to add a template which does the text+category
20110313 19:03:57< Crab_> yes
20110313 19:04:10< mordante> and one which also sets the WML reference stuff
20110313 19:04:23< Crab_> mordante: example: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Template:DevFeature1.9
20110313 19:05:18< Crab_> and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Template:WML_tags
20110313 19:06:47< mordante> ok so it's possible, do you want to add these two templates for me?
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20110313 19:08:15< Crab_> ok
20110313 19:24:30< Crab_> mordante: done, see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUIWidgetDefinitionWML for the example
20110313 19:25:08< Crab_> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Template:AutogeneratedWML is the template for autogenerated wml, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Template:Autogenerated is the template for autogenerated pages.
20110313 19:25:50< Crab_> it sets the category correctly, you can modify the templates to set more categories automatically
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20110313 19:29:24< mordante> ok thanks
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20110313 19:50:45< mordante> Crab_, one more question I added http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodeTableWML but it's not in the Reference WML category
20110313 19:51:14< mordante> shouldn't the WMLTags template also add that? At the moment it seems the pages add that themselves as well
20110313 19:51:18< Crab_> that's why I've said 'you can modify the templates to set more categories automatically'
20110313 19:51:45< Crab_> I'll do it for now for autogeneratedWML
20110313 19:51:53< mordante> I know ;-) just wonder whether it shouldn't be in the WMLTtags template
20110313 19:52:13< Crab_> wouldn't hurt, I think... Iet's check...
20110313 19:53:13< Aethaeryn> mordante: Categories are generally just my random guess based on a quick skim of 100+ articles at time when I feel like categorizing, or other people's random guesses based on the improvized category scheme I came up with. They're not set in stone.
20110313 19:53:26< Aethaeryn> Feel free to do appropriate categorization or subcategories
20110313 19:53:58< mordante> Aethaeryn, yeah I just wonder which template should as the flag
20110313 19:54:09< mordante> add the category*
20110313 19:54:51< Aethaeryn> Idk, I think the general policy with wikis is be bold as long as you don't vandalize and only discuss if someone disputes your changes.
20110313 19:56:00< mordante> I sometimes like to discuss upfront ;-)
20110313 19:56:42< Crab_> mordante: compare http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WML_Tags and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:WML_Reference
20110313 19:57:20< Crab_> for now, I've set WML_Tags to add the WML_Reference category.
20110313 19:58:49< mordante> ok thanks
20110313 20:00:36< CIA-52> mordante * r48887 /trunk/src/ (gamestatus.cpp gamestatus.hpp): Remove an unused commented out function.
20110313 20:00:36< CIA-52> mordante * r48886 /trunk/src/ (gamestatus.cpp gamestatus.hpp variable.cpp): Append private variables with an underscore.
20110313 20:00:38< CIA-52> mordante * r48888 /trunk/src/ai/testing/ca.cpp: 
20110313 20:00:38< CIA-52> Use empty() instead of comparing size() with 0.
20110313 20:00:38< CIA-52> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110313 20:00:41< CIA-52> mordante * r48891 /trunk/src/multiplayer_connect.cpp: 
20110313 20:00:41< CIA-52> Use empty() instead of comparing size() with 0.
20110313 20:00:41< CIA-52> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110313 20:00:46< CIA-52> mordante * r48893 /trunk/src/ (formatter.hpp gui/widgets/debug.cpp): 
20110313 20:00:46< CIA-52> Avoid returning a pointer to a temporary.
20110313 20:00:46< CIA-52> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110313 20:01:00< CIA-52> mordante * r48895 /trunk/data/tools/terrain2wiki.rb: 
20110313 20:01:00< CIA-52> Remove the obsolete terrain2wiki.rb script.
20110313 20:01:00< CIA-52> It has been replaced by terrain2wiki.py.
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20110313 20:02:48< mordante> iwontbecreative r48896 is used to generate http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainCodeTableWML
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20110313 20:14:48< Nephro> Crab_, stdlib.lua in the data/ai/lua is the file that is to be filled with the library for the Lua AI?
20110313 20:15:32< Crab_> Nephro: doesn't matter much. any easy way to do it will be ok.
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20110313 20:16:12< Crab_> Nephro: our goals being to allow all types of UMC content to add things to the ai. i.e., let an era add things to the ai.
20110313 20:16:56< Crab_> example code in lua test scenario works to add this lib by doing a 'local ai_stdlib = wesnoth.require('ai/lua/stdlib.lua'); ai_stdlib.init(ai)' routine.
20110313 20:18:41< CIA-52> mordante * r48897 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp): 
20110313 20:18:42< CIA-52> Add a function to always save dialog fields.
20110313 20:18:42< CIA-52> Sometimes it's wanted to always save the fields when the dialog closes,
20110313 20:18:49< CIA-52> mordante * r48899 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Polish the taddon_connect class.
20110313 20:19:08< Aethaeryn> Hmm...
20110313 20:20:15< Nephro> umc content?
20110313 20:21:01< Aethaeryn> User Made Content content
20110313 20:21:08< Nephro> oh :)
20110313 20:32:54< Rhonda> content content, sweet
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20110313 20:39:02< Nephro> Argh, I have confused myself so hard... Looking at the scenario 1 of "Heir to the Throne"... Can't seem to understand what actually drives the AI. The enemy controller tags are absent, that means that by default they are controlled by the ai... But what AI, where are the actual calls to evaluation, movement  functions etc?
20110313 20:39:45< Crab_> Nephro: reread http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Customizing_AI_in_Wesnoth_1.8#how_AI_works.2C_a_short_developer-oriented_overview , it covers that part pretty nicely
20110313 20:40:21< Crab_> Nephro: in short, no ai config => default is used => default is in data/ai/ais/testing_ai_default.cfg => it references the c++ components.
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20110313 20:41:36< Nephro> ah, I remember you giving me that link, but don't remember reading it... I must've closed it or forgotten. Going to do that asap, thanks
20110313 20:42:54< Crab_> also note http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AI_Module#Source_files - more-or-less up-to-date the list of files involved
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20110313 21:14:37< fendrin> Crab_: Is there any precondition for a gsoc student to get the forum title?
20110313 21:14:54< mordante> fendrin, no there isn't 
20110313 21:14:59< fendrin> fine
20110313 21:15:10< mordante> maybe we should wait until accepted by google
20110313 21:16:09< fendrin> shadowmaster: Hi, I have a request from the forum user "cmihail" for a gsoc student title. Would you add him as soon as google accepted us, please?
20110313 21:16:19< Crab_> fendrin: no, no preconditions. we've got some people from last year with this title already.
20110313 21:16:31< fendrin> hmm
20110313 21:16:47< Crab_> (they were given it last year, when they applied with us )
20110313 21:17:06< fendrin> Is there a chance that google will not accept wesnoth?
20110313 21:17:16< mordante> of course there is
20110313 21:17:26< mordante> they have a limited number of slots
20110313 21:17:27< boucman> fyi last year we cleaned all titles once we were accepted and only took registrations after that point, but it's not that important
20110313 21:17:52< Crab_> boucman: ok
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20110313 21:32:55< vdaras> gonna call it a night today, bye all
20110313 21:33:05< mordante> bye vdaras 
20110313 21:33:14< Crab_> bye vdaras
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20110313 22:17:59< mordante> I'm off night
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20110313 22:37:32< CopyOfNewFolder> Hi everyone.
20110313 22:37:40< CopyOfNewFolder> I am a student, looking for a gsoc project,
20110313 22:38:03< CopyOfNewFolder> and your ideas seem fun to work with.
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20110313 22:38:39< CopyOfNewFolder> How can I apply?
20110313 22:39:14< boucman> the answer is : not yet :P
20110313 22:39:32< CopyOfNewFolder> :)
20110313 22:39:38< boucman> more seriously, until GSoC has announced participating organisations, applying doesn't make much sense
20110313 22:39:41< eoc> heh I was tempted to write !next, then realising I'm in the wrong channel for that :o
20110313 22:39:55< CopyOfNewFolder> Right.
20110313 22:39:58< boucman> what you cand do is get familiar with the game, and compile the code from source
20110313 22:40:52< CopyOfNewFolder> And if I submit some patches...
20110313 22:41:02< boucman> yes, that would be good
20110313 22:41:10< boucman> more like : that would be great
20110313 22:41:12< boucman> :)
20110313 22:41:16< CopyOfNewFolder> :)
20110313 22:42:16< CopyOfNewFolder> Will do.
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20110313 22:46:56< CIA-52> anonymissimus * r48900 /trunk/data/core/macros/utils.cfg: Mute some warning messages in {FORCE_CHANCE_TO_HIT }.
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20110313 23:03:25< fendrin> hi boucman
20110313 23:03:40< fendrin> Do we have a developer who is living in Japan?
20110313 23:08:13< fendrin> CopyOfNewFolder: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding
20110313 23:08:21< timotei> night
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