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20110316 00:19:32< CopyOfNewFolder> I am off to sleep.
20110316 00:19:38< CopyOfNewFolder> Bye, everyone.
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20110316 00:20:31< Nephro> night
20110316 00:21:08< Gambit> zookeeper: Oh mighty one. Hear the prayers of thine people. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=482182#p482182
20110316 00:21:38< Gambit> wesbot: seen zookeeper?
20110316 00:21:38< wesbot> Gambit: The person with the nick zookeeper last spoke 2d ago.  1h 26m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message:
20110316 00:22:37< shadowmaster> Gambit: please leave a note for other moderators to not reduce that post's font size
20110316 00:22:52< Gambit> I can do that?
20110316 00:23:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm pretty sure you and I are the only active moderators anyway.
20110316 00:24:18 * eoc wanders around citing Murphy's law
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20110316 00:28:53< Gambit> And hopefully no false gods intervene until he comes back tomorrow.
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20110316 00:48:33< Gambit> Aww. A heathen atheist reported the poster for praying too loudly.
20110316 00:58:31< CIA-52> espreon * r48917 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/en_GB.po: Updated the British English translation.
20110316 01:02:17< CIA-52> espreon * r48918 /trunk/l10n-track: Updated l10n-track.
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20110316 01:07:18< CIA-52> espreon * r48919 /trunk/l10n-track: Reverted r48918.
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20110316 01:22:21< CIA-52> espreon * r48920 /trunk/l10n-track: Updated l10n-track.
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20110316 01:41:42< CIA-52> anonymissimus * r48921 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Made modify_unit substitute variables as late as possible and provide reference to the unit being currently modified via $this_unit.
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20110316 01:56:50< CIA-52> anonymissimus * r48922 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Optimization of previous commit.
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20110316 01:58:56< fendrin> is that a problem?
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20110316 09:53:45< Ivanovic> moin
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20110316 13:28:11< Nephro> good day
20110316 13:28:17< Nephro> wesbot, seen crab__
20110316 13:28:17< wesbot> Nephro: Sorry, I don't know of crab__.
20110316 13:28:19< Nephro> wesbot, seen crab_
20110316 13:28:20< wesbot> Nephro: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 2d 15h ago.  1d 20h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
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20110316 13:42:29< CIA-52> zookeeper * r48923 /trunk/data/core/units/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Removed undead_variation=archer from core units since there's no such variation.
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20110316 15:34:10< anonymissimus> Espreon: just seen you had applied Gambit's patched
20110316 15:34:14< anonymissimus> paches
20110316 15:35:03< anonymissimus> for [gold] etc, pls make sure in case you changed the default behavior (side=1 vs all sides etc) that is published
20110316 15:35:18< anonymissimus> in the syntax changes thread for example
20110316 15:36:31< Gambit> Espreon: Also talk to esr about making wmlint throw warnings for when [gold], [place_shroud], and [remove_shroud] are missing side= attributes
20110316 15:37:32< esr> Gambit": He already did.  I am reluctant to emit warnings for constructs that are legal.
20110316 15:39:45< Gambit> Ah. Okay. Sorry then.
20110316 15:40:39< Gambit> The patches included updates for all the mainline campaigns at any rate. I just wasn't sure about UMC's.
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20110316 15:41:28< Gambit> I guess if they don't read the documentation then that's their fault.
20110316 15:43:28< anonymissimus> And hey, you didnt document it in the wiki
20110316 15:44:07< anonymissimus> thats not really nice towards all us UMC authors
20110316 15:44:26< anonymissimus> (the singleplayer ones)
20110316 15:45:27< anonymissimus> esr: actually, such warnings would really be nice for sp content imo
20110316 15:46:06< anonymissimus> although one may actually want to give gold to all sides even in sp, but unlikely
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20110316 15:46:24< anonymissimus> either its all enemies or only the human player
20110316 15:46:33< esr> anonymissimus: Hm.
20110316 15:46:43< esr> That's an interesting point.
20110316 15:47:07< esr> What's the easiest way to check that a campaign is SP?
20110316 15:47:16< anonymissimus> (can it be made dependent on the addon type at all ?)
20110316 15:48:38< shadowmaster> MP content uses [multiplayer] to define scenarios, singleplayer uses [scenario]
20110316 15:48:51< esr> Right.
20110316 15:48:55< anonymissimus> think of LoW
20110316 15:49:02< anonymissimus> has both
20110316 15:49:08< esr> Ow.
20110316 15:49:26< esr> What do I do if it has both?
20110316 15:53:05< anonymissimus> wmllint would need to know whether the MULTIPLAYER prepocessor symbol is defined
20110316 16:02:07< esr> That varies at runtime, right?  That would be a problem.
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20110316 16:30:30< Gambit> anonymissimus: the wiki is done now.
20110316 16:30:59< Gambit> Is there a list of important syntax changes from 1.8->1.9 ?
20110316 16:31:03< Gambit> We don't have a forum thread yet.
20110316 16:33:11< Crendgrim> Gambit: are you speaking about WML changes?
20110316 16:33:25< Gambit> yes
20110316 16:33:47< Crendgrim> IIRC bigkahuna had an unofficial thread some weeks ago..
20110316 16:34:15< Crendgrim> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=32451 < yeah.
20110316 16:34:43< Gambit> ah excellent
20110316 16:34:51< anonymissimus> make that sticky pls
20110316 16:35:05< anonymissimus> and remove the non-compatibility breaking changes
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20110316 16:35:27< anonymissimus> gets too large
20110316 16:36:50< anonymissimus> esr: yes
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20110316 16:39:13< Crendgrim> zookeeper: are you around?
20110316 16:41:43< Gambit> Eh if I have to edit it I might as well just make a new one.
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20110316 16:54:48< Gambit> Should I include deprecations? They don't break stuff yet, but they will later and I guess we ought to warn people to get ready for that.
20110316 16:55:11< Gambit> Meh. Feel free to edit that anyone.
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20110316 17:13:38< anonymissimus> Gambit: alright
20110316 17:14:23< anonymissimus> soem script searching for all [tag] tags under dir/ and inerting side=1 into all of them if they don't have a side= would be nice ;)
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20110316 17:19:08< Gambit> Eh it only took an hour to edit->find my way through all of mainline. I'm not too worried for them.
20110316 17:19:43< Gambit> The only real problem is making them aware of the change.
20110316 17:21:11< anonymissimus> look through my posts in bigkahuna's thread Gambit, you didnt include all the compatibility breaking changes
20110316 17:21:31< anonymissimus> * [unpetrify][filter]<SUF> -> [unpetrify]<SUF>
20110316 17:22:02< anonymissimus> [teleport]ignore_passability= (default no) -> [teleport]check_passability= (default yes)
20110316 17:22:11< anonymissimus> those two
20110316 17:23:38< zookeeper> Crendgrim, sort of
20110316 17:26:07< anonymissimus> I think i have about as many remove_shrouds in TEG than mainline altogether :P
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20110316 17:39:27< Crendgrim> zookeeper: Regarding http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=482226#p482226
20110316 17:39:46< Crendgrim> if you create a unit on a village, is that village automatically captured?
20110316 17:40:06< Gambit> Give us a sign!
20110316 17:40:35< zookeeper> Crendgrim, umm, actually i don't remember. i'd guess not.
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20110316 17:40:59< Gambit> It doesn't work when you make a village on a unit.
20110316 17:42:35< Crendgrim> thanks. Then my memory works as it should do :)
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20110316 18:15:07< Espreon> anonymissimus; Gambit: OMG, I already said I'd do it around the time 1.9.5 is tagged.
20110316 18:15:30< Gambit> Espreon: But this is a matter of life and death!
20110316 18:15:32< Gambit> It cannot wait!
20110316 18:15:57< Espreon> ...
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20110316 18:40:33< anonymissimus> Espreon: and what about guys like me, using trunk developing their campaigns ? I for one know I'm likely to forget updating the wiki etc unless I do it the same time i make the change
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20110316 19:05:04< CIA-52> anonymissimus * r48924 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: [mofify_unit]: Disallow type= to be set only at the toplevel - the key could appear in [variables] and is valid there.
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20110316 19:21:36< Espreon> anonymissimus: 1. ... 2. I won't forget.
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20110316 19:30:23< anonymissimus> thx
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20110316 20:15:45< grigoryj> been thinking about that WML schema issue... If it gives us a way to describe the document structure (i.e. which tags may contain which subtags/attributes) and the set of feasible values for each attribute, will it be enough?
20110316 20:17:47< boucman> i'mnot the dev responsible for that project but... what more could you put (i.e how could it not be enough ?)
20110316 20:18:29< grigoryj> WML docs might be context-sensitive in some sense - the question is, are there any tags whose contents might depend on the value of some attribute?   
20110316 20:18:57< boucman> grigoryj: I can't see any of the top of my head... 
20110316 20:19:23< boucman> maybe in AI... ask Crab_ when he's around
20110316 20:19:34< boucman> but that would be very rare
20110316 20:24:46< Nephro> boucman, is Crab_ usually absent? 
20110316 20:24:57< boucman> wesbot: seen Crab_
20110316 20:24:57< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 2d 22h ago.  2d 3h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20110316 20:25:27< boucman> Nephro: he is usually here every (european) evening, but apparently not right now
20110316 20:26:11< Nephro> Just asking, want to catch him and torture with my ideas a bit :) Is he working or studying?
20110316 20:27:00< boucman> I think he is still studying
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20110316 20:41:27< grigoryj> In the worst case, instead of actually writing schema documents, we could write checker scripts in lua,  to validate different types of documents. That would probably be quite painful though...
20110316 20:42:46< boucman>  i'm probably not the best person to ask... another possibility would be to describe indiscoverable special cases in a schema configuration file...
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20110316 20:50:32< grigoryj> By the way, is there any way to search through the IRC logs?
20110316 20:52:42< boucman> everything is recorded at irclog.wesnoth.org... apart from that, no
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20110316 22:19:24< Espreon> Note to self: update tooltip.png
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20110316 22:31:16< jekin> Just compiled & built wesnoth  :)
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20110316 23:13:11< Nephro> jekin, on linux?
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20110316 23:22:57< jekin> yes nephro
20110316 23:23:22< jekin> ubuntu
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20110316 23:27:16< Nephro> :) I was hoping windows, cause I failed to do it :D But the virtual machine software totally saved me
20110316 23:29:34< jekin> compiling on windows is a hectic thing 
20110316 23:30:13< jekin> since most open source lobrary are Unix based 
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