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20110327 00:03:35< Aethaeryn> There's still about a week and a half for GSOC applications, right?
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20110327 00:23:10< vjoe> Aethaeryn: till the 8th
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20110327 00:41:49< Aethaeryn> GSOC site is down...
20110327 00:42:02< Aethaeryn> http://www.google-melange.com/
20110327 00:42:18< Aethaeryn> So I guess I can't get any more info today from the site :-P
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20110327 03:17:51< CIA-89> espreon * r49010 /trunk/po/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Updated the Old English translation.
20110327 03:20:41< CIA-89> espreon * r49011 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Updated credits for the Old English translation.
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20110327 03:48:03< Gembgar> Crab_: I had planned to do the other tags at some point.
20110327 03:48:14< Gembgar> There were only like… three left.
20110327 03:50:10< Gembgar> Err. Four I guess
20110327 03:50:30< Gembgar> [allow_recruit], [disallow_recruit], [set_recruit], and [modify_side]
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20110327 03:52:43< Gembgar> But Espreon, now I remember why I hadn't committed that patch myself.
20110327 03:54:46< Espreon> I see.
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20110327 04:06:15< Gambit> There was someone (I think it might have been silene) who was going to make said [filter_side] tag which made the entire project obsolete.
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20110327 04:11:32< noy> anybody here good with mathamatical formulas and want to do me a huge favour?
20110327 04:11:53< noy> mathematical* 
20110327 04:12:22< noy> Its not that complex, but I'm a bit inept
20110327 04:13:50< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ^ sounds like your thing.
20110327 04:14:18 * shadowmaster is mathematically challenged and can barely do arithmetics, so...
20110327 04:14:40< noy> me too
20110327 04:17:24< Seiyria> what is it, noy?
20110327 04:17:41< Seiyria> I won't say I can help definitely, but I might be able to
20110327 04:19:31< noy> come to #wesnoth-mp
20110327 04:19:32< Aethaeryn> I might be able to help too.
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20110327 04:21:19< noy> Seiyria: ^
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20110327 05:52:47< vultraz> how much time for 1.9.5?
20110327 05:52:53< vultraz> until it's out?
20110327 05:53:08< atomicbomb__> IIRWIIR
20110327 05:53:15< Espreon> Indeed.
20110327 05:54:01< shadowmaster> vultraz: it says next weekend
20110327 05:54:13< shadowmaster> i.e. April 2nd/3rd
20110327 05:54:20< vultraz> ah
20110327 05:54:23< vultraz> ok
20110327 05:54:32 * shadowmaster nudges Ivanovic a bit
20110327 05:56:12< Espreon> "the other brushes that live somewhere in the depths of the Wesnoth subversion repository" ... Note to self: either improve those or kill them.
20110327 05:57:36< shadowmaster> I read that as bushes
20110327 05:57:52< shadowmaster> and then thought "well, damn, trees, branches and now *bushes*? wth"
20110327 05:57:52< Espreon> Wow...
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20110327 06:02:34< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Hasn't it said "next weekend" since last weekend?
20110327 06:03:01 * shadowmaster steps on Aethaeryn's foot while whistling idly.
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20110327 09:33:36< shadowmaster> Editor labels (for displaying the starting location hexes, for instance) appear to be broken as of r48988
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20110327 09:34:41< shadowmaster> I don't see any, which is quite problematic since I'm editing a map!
20110327 09:35:06< shadowmaster> and yes, I know there are starting locations because I can scroll to them using 1, 2, etc.
20110327 09:38:44< shadowmaster> oh, they appear again if I do some change to starting locations with the map open in the editor
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20110327 11:12:52< Sytyi> hi! A newbie question. Is there anywhere in trunk Boost includes, or I shall include it manually. (I'm trying to build wesnoth from Eclipse CDT)
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20110327 11:29:01< mordante> servus
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20110327 11:32:01< mordante> shadowmaster, is that the commit that broke the labels or where you noticed
20110327 11:32:35< mordante> (if I read the log I expect that one to blame... looking at the revision however...)
20110327 11:33:08< mordante> Sytyi, which build system do you use?
20110327 11:33:33< Sytyi> mordante: make
20110327 11:34:18< mordante> yes but scons or cmake or do we have a eclipse project file?
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20110327 11:36:33< Ivanovic> moin
20110327 11:36:40< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110327 11:45:43< mordante> Ivanovic, regarding your dev-ml I also don't know about the status
20110327 11:46:08< mordante> dev-ml email*
20110327 11:53:27< Sytyi> mordante: cmake
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20110327 11:53:55< Ivanovic> mordante: that was basically the reason why i wrote the mail
20110327 11:54:34< Ivanovic> mordante: so basically it looks like it was good that i have not changed the 'next' in the topic to 'this'
20110327 11:55:47< mordante> Sytyi, then cmake should find the boost dependencies and set them properly for Eclipse 
20110327 11:56:00< Sytyi> mordante: thanks
20110327 11:56:01< mordante> Ivanovic, :-(
20110327 11:56:18< Ivanovic> hey, if there is a blocker in, it does block the release
20110327 11:56:21< Ivanovic> simple as that
20110327 11:56:44< Ivanovic> maybe crab_ will join irc today and shed some light on this issue
20110327 11:57:53< mordante> Ivanovic, I agree we shouldn't release with a blocker
20110327 11:58:17< mordante> however I hoped this issue would have been fixed by now so we could have a release
20110327 11:58:28< mordante> the last one has been for quite a while
20110327 11:58:59< Ivanovic> yeah, i know
20110327 11:59:32< Ivanovic> but since there was no reply to your post from "a while ago" on the ml and Espreon does not know anything either it is a clear case of "issue probably still valid
20110327 12:03:17< mordante> looking at 'data/lua/wml-tags.lua' the issue is still valid
20110327 12:03:31< Ivanovic> :(
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20110327 12:03:57< Ivanovic> hi Crab_
20110327 12:04:02< Crab_> hi, Ivanovic
20110327 12:04:03< Ivanovic> just the one we were talking about...
20110327 12:04:09< Ivanovic> Crab_: have you seen my mail to the ML?
20110327 12:04:19< Ivanovic> what is the progress regarding the side= stuff?
20110327 12:04:33< Crab_> haven't seen yet
20110327 12:05:12< Ivanovic> would it be feasable to rollback the commit introducing this changed behaviour and doing a clean fix after 1.9.5 is out (a fix without breaking backwards compatibility and not warning that this will be soon broken)?
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20110327 12:06:40< Crab_> yes. note that the clean fix will break backward compatibility, but in a wmllintable and clean way.
20110327 12:07:20< Crab_> when do you want to release 1.9.5 ?
20110327 12:07:25< Ivanovic> Crab_: the clean fix is to not err on the issue but warn for 2 versions and use the old behaviour instead of err
20110327 12:07:28< Ivanovic> ehm, right now
20110327 12:07:30< mordante> Crab_, wouldn't it be possible to do the following
20110327 12:07:32< mordante> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua?r1=48824&r2=48823&pathrev=48824
20110327 12:08:06< mordante> change line 78 to do what it did before and give a warning the empty side is deprecated?
20110327 12:08:26< mordante> change line 78 to what the function did before
20110327 12:08:31< Crab_> mordante: yes, you're right
20110327 12:12:14< Crab_> mordante: I'm thinking about http://pastebin.com/eBSMkPzS as the end result, for 1.9.6
20110327 12:13:45< mordante> my WML foo is not good enough to judge the last case with the side_filter, but the rest looks as I imagined
20110327 12:14:08< mordante> the deprecation warning can then state that empty will be replaced with "all" in the future
20110327 12:14:11< Crab_> but, for 1.9.5, I think that we don't have time to implement it cleanly for all the tags.
20110327 12:14:24< Crab_> mordante: no, empty will be forbidden
20110327 12:14:27< zookeeper> why side_in instead of just side?
20110327 12:14:36< Crab_> zookeeper: easy to change.
20110327 12:14:45< mordante> Crab_, ah yes I forgot :-/
20110327 12:15:00< Crab_> mordante: the problem with empty is that it's not wmllintable
20110327 12:15:06< Ivanovic> Crab_: why not rollback for the moment and fix in a clean way post 1.9.5?
20110327 12:15:13< mordante> yes I remember now
20110327 12:15:18< Ivanovic> or is there too much changes already to roll this one back on a short note?
20110327 12:15:43< Crab_> mordante: and empty is easy to emulate with the empty side filter (something like empty [filter_side][/filter_side] )
20110327 12:15:55< mordante> rollback might break cases that are converted later
20110327 12:16:21< Ivanovic> f***
20110327 12:16:27< Crab_> mordante: what to do now... well, I think that your solution is correct
20110327 12:16:38< mordante> Crab_, I only think we need to fix things changed in this release cycle, gold and place_shroud
20110327 12:16:43< Crab_> i.e., just roll back the 'empty=all' part
20110327 12:17:03< Crab_> is this 'empty=all' behavior used somewhere in mainline ?
20110327 12:17:23< mordante> no idea
20110327 12:17:55< zookeeper> sounds unlikely, but i guess it's remotely possible
20110327 12:18:34< zookeeper> for gold, that is. maybe more likely for some of hte other tags.
20110327 12:21:15< Crab_> note allow_recruit
20110327 12:21:23< Crab_> 'if (sides.blank() || (std::find(sides_string.begin(), sides_string.end(), ',') == sides_string.end())) {'
20110327 12:21:59< Crab_> wesbot: log 47948
20110327 12:22:00< wesbot> anonymissimus * r47948 : allow comma-separated list for [allow_recruit]side= (fixes bug #17325)
20110327 12:22:03< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=47948
20110327 12:22:03< Crab_> wesbot: log 47949
20110327 12:22:04< wesbot> anonymissimus * r47949 : allow comma-separated list for side= in [disallow_recruit] and [set_recruit] (FR bug #17266) (the three should behave analogically...)
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20110327 12:22:07< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=47949
20110327 12:22:46< mordante> wesbot, log 48823
20110327 12:22:46< wesbot> espreon * r48823 : Applied patch #1887 with slight modifications.
20110327 12:22:46< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=48823
20110327 12:25:27< Crab_> so, it seems that we have [gold] and [set_recruit] and [place_shroud]
20110327 12:25:29< Crab_> anything else ?
20110327 12:27:24< Ivanovic> considering that there was only a rather small number of commits in trunk/data since this patch was applied, should a svn diff | grep solution not help?
20110327 12:27:39< mordante> the next thing in the changelog is id in SUF, but that was for 1.9.2 so I consider that no longer an issue
20110327 12:28:37< Crab_> Ivanovic: no, because they are doing it slightly differently each time
20110327 12:29:25< Ivanovic> Crab_: with this i mean "grep for all added lines in data/ and look through them"
20110327 12:29:38< Ivanovic> (of course only using relevant folders)
20110327 12:29:40< Crab_> Ivanovic: not only in data, src was changed too
20110327 12:29:49< Ivanovic> ugh, okay
20110327 12:30:26< Crab_> i.e. note http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/game_events.cpp?r1=48778&r2=48823&pathrev=48823
20110327 12:31:18< Crab_> and compare it with, for example, http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/game_events.cpp?r1=47568&r2=47948&pathrev=47948
20110327 12:31:41< Crab_> the approach used by two different authors to implement the 'comma-separated side= or all sides if omitted' is quite different
20110327 12:31:46< Ivanovic> okay, this is a mess that is "a little larger" and will take a little time to solve
20110327 12:31:54< Ivanovic> in the meantime i'll do another optipng run on trunk
20110327 12:32:14< mordante> Crab_, do you think we can do a release today?
20110327 12:33:09< Crab_> mordante: yes, if someone reverts the 'all if empty' part for  [gold] and [set_recruit] and [place_shroud] (sadly, I leave in 30 minutes and will be away till evening - it might not be enough time to do & check)
20110327 12:33:34< Crab_> mordante: I think that the data/ changes only added side=1 (harmless), not optimized stuff away.
20110327 12:33:59< Crab_> I guess that the deprecation message will have to go into release notes
20110327 12:34:14< Crab_> since we don't have time to do it for *all* the tags which have side=
20110327 12:34:21< Crab_> I'll do it for 1.9.6
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20110327 12:38:56< Upthorn> hmm
20110327 12:39:42< Upthorn> I'm thinking about applying to do the Lua AI enhancements project for GSoC this year
20110327 12:40:14< Crab_> Upthorn: It's good to hear that)
20110327 12:40:30< Upthorn> I was just about to ask if you'd be willing to work with me again :)
20110327 12:41:17< Crab_> why not ? of course, there are many students which are interested in the project, so you'll have to show that you're up for the task )
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20110327 12:42:41< mordante> IMO adding deprecation message to the release notes is not a solution
20110327 12:43:21< Upthorn> I have done some work exposing c++ functions to Lua in other contexts, though I'd want to examine wesnoth's Lua interface more thoroughly, of course
20110327 12:43:38< Crab_> mordante: 1.9.5: add deprecation message to the release notes, make sure that is still 'empty: side=1' for all the tags;
20110327 12:44:13< Crab_> mordante:  1.9.6 : implement the system with [side_filter] and side=A,B,C and side=all; keep 'empty: side=1' for all the tags, but with an deprecation warning for the console, add support to wmllint
20110327 12:44:26< Crab_> mordante: 1.9.7 or 1.9.8 : forbid empty side.
20110327 12:44:31< Crab_> won't this work ?
20110327 12:45:04< Crab_> as long as we're not changing the behavior of empty side, we are not too in hurry to fix things
20110327 12:45:31< mordante> Crab_, that would work, then we should forbid empty in 1.9.8
20110327 12:45:45< Crab_> seems good enough.
20110327 12:45:55< Crab_> then, for 1.9.6 and 1.9.7 it'll be a warning.
20110327 12:46:14< Crab_> and a wmllintable thing, as well.
20110327 12:47:20< mordante> only not sure whether we should fix the recruit, since the new behavior has been released
20110327 12:47:56< mordante> by reverting its behaviour it can break now valid code :-(
20110327 12:48:49< mordante> Crab_, can you fix the gold before you leave? I rather not learn Lua just before a release
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20110327 12:50:13< Crab_> mordante: I guess 'yes, because it won't require a recompile'
20110327 12:51:29< mordante> that would be great I can do the others
20110327 12:53:07< mordante> Crab_, Ivanovic what about the recruits, leave it revert it as well? (it has been released, so leave it, feels like the lesser evil to me)
20110327 12:54:20< Crab_> mordante: add an error message saying that it will be changed, then 
20110327 12:54:45< Crab_> mordante: and let it treat side=all as all sides (it's a small fix in there)
20110327 12:55:09< Crab_> mordante: that way, the authors who'll see the warning would be able to switch to future-proof behavior
20110327 12:58:13< CIA-89> crab * r49012 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: partial revert of r48823: if side= is empty in [gold], treat it as side=1
20110327 12:58:16< Crab_> mordante: ^ done
20110327 12:59:31< mordante> ok thanks
20110327 13:01:39< Ivanovic> boucman, Crab_, fendrin, mordante: in case you are surprised that you can't access the gsoc page anymore: there seem to be some changes going on atm and the new url is probably http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/wesnoth
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20110327 13:02:40< boucman> already upgraded my bookmark, but thx
20110327 13:03:22< mordante> Ivanovic, thanks I already saw it in #gsoc
20110327 13:03:58< Ivanovic> mordante: stuff that was already in the release should stay in
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20110327 13:05:01< vjoe> morning!
20110327 13:05:37< mordante> hi vjoe 
20110327 13:05:58< mordante> Ivanovic, ok that means I only need to fix the shroud
20110327 13:06:47< mordante> Crab_ I prefer all deprecated messages to show up at the same time so the whole 'group' can be removed at the same time
20110327 13:07:00< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49013 /trunk/ (277 files in 29 dirs): 
20110327 13:07:00< CIA-89> ran utils/wesnoth-optipng:
20110327 13:07:00< CIA-89> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20110327 13:07:00< CIA-89> Original size: 485 KiB on 277 files
20110327 13:07:00< CIA-89> Optimized size: 447 KiB
20110327 13:07:00< CIA-89> Total saving: 37 KiB = 7% decrease
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20110327 13:15:20< CIA-89> mordante * r49014 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20110327 13:15:20< CIA-89> When no side in shroud select side 1.
20110327 13:15:20< CIA-89> This restores backwardscompatibility.
20110327 13:15:58 * mordante mutters something about changelogs
20110327 13:16:34< CIA-89> mordante * r49015 /trunk/changelog: Update changelog.
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20110327 13:16:57< mordante> Ivanovic, I think that should do the trick
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20110327 13:18:41< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, deekay, Espreon, esr, fendrin, mordante, shadowmaster, Soliton, timotei, Upthorn, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.9.5?
20110327 13:18:58< mordante> Ivanovic, I am
20110327 13:18:59< zookeeper> fine by me
20110327 13:19:02< boucman> sure
20110327 13:19:12< deekay> I think so
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20110327 13:20:25< Soliton> Ivanovic: i could commit something in a bit.
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20110327 13:20:49< mordante> afk
20110327 13:20:53< Soliton> just needs a changelog entry.
20110327 13:20:55< Ivanovic> Soliton: what is the commit about?
20110327 13:21:32< Soliton> renaming /adminmsg command to /report.
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20110327 13:21:55< deekay> Ivanovic: I'll just check one thing...
20110327 13:22:13< deekay> Gimme few minutes to svn up and compile
20110327 13:22:40< Ivanovic> sure
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20110327 13:30:17< Soliton> bug #17948 sounds pretty bad, btw.
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20110327 13:31:03< CIA-89> soliton * r49016 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Renamed /adminmsg command to /report to better reflect its use and corrected the /whisper help entry.
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20110327 13:33:15< Soliton> stikonas: ^ i hope the whisper help is clearer now so you won't suggest "spelling fixes" to it again. ;-)
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20110327 13:34:43< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49017 /trunk/po/ (359 files in 27 dirs): 
20110327 13:34:44< CIA-89> pot-update (preparing for 1.9.5)
20110327 13:34:44< CIA-89> regenerated doc files (no changes here...)
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20110327 13:35:59< Soliton> Ivanovic: note that my commit changed translatable strings in case you did the pot-update before.
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20110327 13:37:13< Ivanovic> Soliton: yeah, i saw in the commit diff that there was a string change, so i got to run another pot-update
20110327 13:37:22< Ivanovic> but with this i'll wait till eg deekay is okay, too
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20110327 13:40:24< stikonas> hmm, I can't remember now what I suggested to spelling fixes
20110327 13:41:24< Soliton> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=SpellingMistakes&diff=prev&oldid=26463
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20110327 13:41:35< Soliton> it was quite a while ago...
20110327 13:43:23< stikonas> indeed, almost 3 years ago...
20110327 13:43:43< stikonas> no wonder that  I forgot
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20110327 13:44:41< deekay> Ivanovic: I'm ok to go. :)
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20110327 14:20:04< Ivanovic> okay, things seem to be looking good so far
20110327 14:20:18< Ivanovic> was able to start every campaign in r49017
20110327 14:20:37< Ivanovic> now to run another pot-update, change version numbers and work on getting the tarbal ready
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20110327 14:25:32< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49018 /trunk/po/ (81 files in 26 dirs): another pot-update, preparing for 1.9.5
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20110327 14:27:56< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49019 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): 
20110327 14:27:56< CIA-89> bumped version to 1.9.5
20110327 14:27:56< CIA-89> changelog fixed/cleanups (some sorting, categorizing and newline fixes)
20110327 14:27:59< Ivanovic> mordante: for the "release_notes" file please put everything into one line per paragraph
20110327 14:28:11< Ivanovic> mordante: this file is meant for direct copy&paste into the forum announcement
20110327 14:28:58-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.9.5, using r49019 | Google Summer of Code: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 191 bugs, 304 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20110327 14:40:24< Nephro> I wonder, is there my name in the credits of 1.9.5 :)
20110327 14:44:51< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49020 /tags/1.9.5/: tagged 1.9.5, using r49019
20110327 14:48:30< mordante> Ivanovic, I'll try to remember, but overlong lines feel 'wrong' to me
20110327 14:54:05< Ivanovic> loonycyborg, Rhonda: new wesnoth dev version is out
20110327 14:54:24< Ivanovic> (currently uploading the tarball to wesnoth.org and sf.net afterwards)
20110327 14:54:35< Ivanovic> ETA of the upload: 35min
20110327 14:55:01< loonycyborg> kk
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20110327 15:27:47< fendrin> Ivanovic: yes
20110327 15:42:00-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.9.5, announcing "soon" | Google Summer of Code: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 191 bugs, 304 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110327 15:42:01< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49021 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.9.5+svn
20110327 15:42:39< Ivanovic> esr: if you got the time it would be *great* if you went through the bugtracker closing bug reports (don't close eclipse plugin stuff though, this is handled seperately by timotei)
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20110327 15:57:25< esr> Ivanovic: Will do.
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20110327 16:09:30< Ivanovic> esr: thanks
20110327 16:10:46< esr> Ivanovic: I haven't disappeared. :-)  Just seems like there's less for me to do lately, with the prose cleanup pretty much done.
20110327 16:11:16< Ivanovic> and i am pretty busy lately, so i don't see everything
20110327 16:11:17< Ivanovic> ;)
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20110327 16:14:55< Ivanovic> and it looks like the image compression stuff really makes a difference
20110327 16:15:15< Ivanovic> instead of increasing in the last two month (the normal direction), the source tarball is almost 800KB smaller!
20110327 16:16:38< mordante> nice, then we can add more music ;-P
20110327 16:18:37< Ivanovic> exactly
20110327 16:20:10< Ivanovic> and now to upload the pandora tarball...
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20110327 16:25:09< mordante> nice
20110327 16:25:56< Ivanovic> btw there was no need to supply the extra param to cmake this time
20110327 16:26:00< Ivanovic> worked without any issue
20110327 16:26:13< mordante> ok so that issue can be closed as well :-)
20110327 16:26:29< Ivanovic> yeah
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20110327 16:38:35< fendrin> esr: If you feel unemployed we could continue to work on WoV...
20110327 16:39:28< esr> fendrin: Yes, I should put more time into that.  I feel kind of blocked on scenario 2, though, evenm though logically I shouldn't.
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20110327 16:41:10< fendrin> esr: Scenario 2 is on its way. The tunnel feature is stable and in trunk. I fixed the last known bug 2 weeks ago. So there is no real "blocker" left. Still the scenario is the "heaviest" I ever started to work on.
20110327 16:41:27< esr> That's good news.
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20110327 16:43:35< CIA-89> mordante * r49022 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20110327 16:43:35< CIA-89> Move static variables to another cpp file.
20110327 16:43:35< CIA-89> Since the sticky exceptions are slated to be removed, move the statics
20110327 16:43:35< CIA-89> to a .cpp files named the same as the .hpp where they are declared.
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20110327 16:44:44< fendrin> esr: I wish I could filter locations for a specific [item]. That would remove the need for many hacks in the named scenario.
20110327 16:45:09< esr> fendrin: Who's handling such FRs now?
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20110327 16:48:07< fendrin> There was a developer who fixed the usage of the "small" SLF which only know about x= and y= to be full SLF. I think that was anonymimus.
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20110327 17:22:43< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.9.5 windows release is uploaded.
20110327 17:22:51< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: cool!
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20110327 18:38:52< shadowmaster> mordante: noticed
20110327 18:39:07< shadowmaster> i.e. my current build is for that revision
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20110327 18:58:27< mordante> ok shadowmaster, still would be nice to know which rev introduced the problem
20110327 18:59:15< shadowmaster> obviously
20110327 18:59:30< shadowmaster> but I don't think I'm up to spend my time bisecting it
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20110327 19:40:07< Ivanovic> hmm, is it just me or does kyle really seem to be gone?
20110327 19:40:21< Ivanovic> last time online in the forums was on 24th febuary
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20110327 19:40:38< shadowmaster> nope, it's not just you
20110327 19:40:50< Ivanovic> last post from 19th december
20110327 19:40:50< mordante> I've no idea
20110327 19:40:56< shadowmaster> unless Sirp knows something we don't
20110327 19:41:19< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: There is a chance that he's coding.
20110327 19:41:44< Aethaeryn> And just hasn't made a breakthrough yet.
20110327 19:41:56< Aethaeryn> Does he normally come on IRC?
20110327 19:41:59< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: but no post at all for three month?
20110327 19:41:59< shadowmaster> no
20110327 19:42:00< Ivanovic> no
20110327 19:42:10< Aethaeryn> Well, I don't think I've posted in months.
20110327 19:42:20< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yeah, but that's you. You aren't Kyle.
20110327 19:42:37< Aethaeryn> The forums are a waste of time, mostly, since if I announce my stuff on the forums I just get backseat UMCers who have lots of ideas/opinions, of which I have plenty of myself.
20110327 19:42:43< shadowmaster> Kyle isn't just a coder. He's also the "tech support guy" for the iOS ports
20110327 19:42:46< Aethaeryn> Ah.
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20110327 19:44:56< Aethaeryn> Woah, I haven't posted since July.
20110327 19:45:14< Aethaeryn> Since I've realized that more or less forums waste time more than they are of any benefit unless there's something specific that I need to accomplish there.
20110327 19:45:49< shadowmaster> Thank you for enlightening us. It's very appreciated.
20110327 19:46:20< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: if that is the only support way the ios porter offers it simply sucks if there is *nothing* for three month with quite many questions
20110327 19:46:55< timotei> Aethaeryn: they are a waste of time because you don't know how to handle your time ;)
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20110327 19:47:38< Aethaeryn> timotei: No, I do not know how to handle my time.
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20110327 21:14:21< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Does it has autotools back?
20110327 21:14:30< Ivanovic> no
20110327 21:15:26< Ivanovic> they are gone, especially since silene, the sole maintainer of them removed them and left the wesnoth project afterwards
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20110327 21:19:45< CIA-89> shadowmaster * r49023 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Grammar
20110327 21:20:18< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: where do I put known bugs
20110327 21:20:38< Ivanovic> hmm, good question
20110327 21:20:54< Ivanovic> i'd say: open a section for this in the release notes
20110327 21:21:45< Ivanovic> some "known issues" section in there in addition to the "new stuff to keep in mind"
20110327 21:24:13< shadowmaster> well, that file is a mess right now
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20110327 21:24:54< shadowmaster> I can't think of a good way to make it clear that it's a new section and not just another (set of) item in the news section
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20110327 21:30:32< Ivanovic> then change the file
20110327 21:30:49< Ivanovic> i just introduced it as a place where devs can dump stuff that should appear in the release notes
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20110327 21:40:14< grigoryj_> hey guys
20110327 21:40:36< grigoryj_> do I understand it correctly that the wikigrabber currently only works for the GUI WML?
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20110327 21:51:21< CIA-89> shadowmaster * r49024 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Change RELEASE_NOTES' structure a bit
20110327 21:52:19< CIA-89> shadowmaster * r49025 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: 
20110327 21:52:19< CIA-89> Mention bug #17956 in the release notes
20110327 21:52:19< CIA-89> (Yes, that's a [bug] bbCode I implemented more than one year ago, which
20110327 21:52:19< CIA-89> needs more love.)
20110327 21:52:19< Soliton> more like only the GUI WML has comments for the wiki grabber.
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20110327 21:54:31< Upthorn> hrm, I remember having an issue with MSVC failing to recognize implicit casts from config::attribute_value to std::string
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20110327 21:56:51< Upthorn> and there was a thing to do, aside from adding a static_cast<std::string> on each one, which made it stop
20110327 21:56:52< Upthorn> can anybody remind me what that was?
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20110327 22:00:46< tschmitz> Couldn't you add a conversion constructor to config::attribute_value?
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20110327 22:03:19< Upthorn> there's already an operator std::string() in config::attribute_value
20110327 22:03:38< Upthorn> I think i remember what the solution was, though
20110327 22:03:54< Upthorn> install msvc9 service pack 1
20110327 22:04:09 * mordante throws http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards#Avoid_implicit_conversions
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20110327 22:07:30< tschmitz> Right, woops got the conversion constructor / operator switched
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20110327 22:09:52< Upthorn> mordante: look at config.hpp lines 173-218
20110327 22:11:41< mordante> Upthorn, yes I see, that doesn't make it less evil 
20110327 22:12:34< Upthorn> it is not my code that I am worried about, by the way. The implicit conversions in the trunk were actually preventing wesnoth from compiling properly for me
20110327 22:12:55< Upthorn> caused a compiler error on std::find
20110327 22:12:59< mordante> good reason to remove them
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20110327 22:27:22< CIA-89> fendrin * r49026 /branches/editor/src/editor/ (action/ action.cpp action.hpp mouse_action.cpp): Some work on the label handling and a new subdir for the actions.
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20110327 22:32:26< CIA-89> fendrin * r49027 /branches/editor/src/editor/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 
20110327 22:32:26< CIA-89> Moved action related classes in their own subdirs.
20110327 22:32:26< CIA-89> Build processes still need to be updated.
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20110327 22:35:14< tschmitz> I'm interested in Wesnoth's Google Summer of Code project
20110327 22:35:24< tschmitz> is there someone here I can ask to label my forum account?
20110327 22:35:31< fendrin> tschmitz: me
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20110327 22:35:44< BaronControl> I was considering submitting a proposal to the whiteboard networking project -- the only problem is, I don't have any experience in networking :D. Is that too insurmountable of a learning curve?
20110327 22:35:44< tschmitz> My forum account name is tschmitz
20110327 22:36:01< fendrin> tschmitz: Okay, give me a few minutes too finish my current work, please.
20110327 22:36:13< tschmitz> Certainly.
20110327 22:37:31< CIA-89> fendrin * r49028 /branches/editor/src/ (CMakeLists.txt SConscript): Updated scons and cmake to handle the refactored editor actions.
20110327 22:37:59< mordante> BaronControl, hard for us to judge ;-) but I also wonder how much network stuff there is in WB
20110327 22:38:48< BaronControl> Not a whole lot, apparently; the proposal would be to make plans visible over the network. Though, because of my lack of experience, I can't judge how hard that'll be :|.
20110327 22:39:44< grigoryj_> mordante, I updated my proposal page... added some details and timeline
20110327 22:39:46< tschmitz> Well, you do have at least a couple of months to learn =]
20110327 22:40:22< BaronControl> tschmitz: Well I sure do 'hope' I'll have a couple months to learn :D. That rather assumes that I'll be able to make it in.
20110327 22:40:31< mordante> BaronControl, I don't expect too hard, but best ask boucman or gabba, they know more about WB
20110327 22:41:02< mordante> grigoryj_, will look in a few minutes, trying to get some commits ready
20110327 22:41:12< grigoryj_> ok, thanks
20110327 22:41:15< BaronControl> mordante: Thanks; I'll be sure to ask.
20110327 22:41:45< CIA-89> fendrin * r49029 /branches/editor/src/editor/action/ (action_label.cpp action_label.hpp): Splitted the label action.
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20110327 22:55:34< CIA-89> mordante * r49030 /trunk/src/ (exceptions.cpp video.hpp): 
20110327 22:55:34< CIA-89> Convert quit from stick to jailbreak exception.
20110327 22:55:34< CIA-89> The goal is to replace all stikcy exceptions jail break exceptions and
20110327 22:55:34< CIA-89> make the exeption handling of Lua a bit more like normal C++ exception
20110327 22:55:34< CIA-89> handling.
20110327 22:55:39< CIA-89> mordante * r49031 /trunk/src/ (savegame.cpp savegame.hpp): Mark read-only parameters as const.
20110327 22:55:40< CIA-89> mordante * r49032 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.cpp: 
20110327 22:55:40< CIA-89> Polish exceptions.
20110327 22:55:40< CIA-89> Catch be const ref and rethrow the original exception.
20110327 22:55:43< CIA-89> mordante * r49033 /trunk/src/ (exceptions.cpp game_errors.hpp): 
20110327 22:55:43< CIA-89> Convert load_game_exception.
20110327 22:55:43< CIA-89> Changed from a sticky to a jailbreak exception.
20110327 22:55:45< CIA-89> mordante * r49034 /trunk/src/ (exceptions.cpp game_end_exceptions.hpp): 
20110327 22:55:46< CIA-89> Convert end_level_exception.
20110327 22:55:46< CIA-89> Changed from a sticky to a jailbreak exception. (Fixes bug #17743).
20110327 22:55:52< CIA-89> mordante * r49035 /trunk/src/game_end_exceptions.hpp: 
20110327 22:55:52< CIA-89> Convert end_turn_exception.
20110327 22:55:52< CIA-89> Turn the exception into a jailbreak exception. Not entirely sure whether
20110327 22:55:52< CIA-89> really needed, but it looks like an exception that might break once
20110327 22:55:52< CIA-89> entering the 'Lua path'.
20110327 22:55:54< CIA-89> mordante * r49036 /trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): 
20110327 22:55:54< CIA-89> Remove the sticky exception class.
20110327 22:55:54< CIA-89> All sticky exceptions are replaced with the lua jailbreak exceptions.
20110327 22:55:54< CIA-89> The code has been lightly tested, too many possibilities to test them
20110327 22:55:54< CIA-89> all. Don't expect breakage but mainly the load code looks tricky with
20110327 22:55:55< CIA-89> the global variables.
20110327 22:56:29< mordante> ^that should do all the Lua fixes, now only writing the documentation remains
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20110327 23:03:52< grigoryj_> looks like there will be a lot of work writing comments for all of the WML...
20110327 23:04:16< Upthorn> oh good, looks like comcast got the issues I was experiencing today worked out
20110327 23:05:08< mordante> grigoryj_, jup, but the idea is to start with the GUI code which has decent comment
20110327 23:05:25< mordante> btw will really start to read your proposal now
20110327 23:05:34< grigoryj_> :-)
20110327 23:07:45< timotei21> hmmm...
20110327 23:08:22< grigoryj_> and when we do the gui part, all the fun work will be done, and the only thing that will remain will be the dull job of writing wikicomments for all of the other wml tags :)
20110327 23:08:52< Nephro> I am not too familiar with the wiki system, how do I create a new page for my proposal?
20110327 23:09:47< grigoryj_> Nephro,  are you registered at the wiki?
20110327 23:09:58< Nephro> Yes, I am
20110327 23:10:36< mordante> grigoryj_, exactly :-P, but I think the gui part will be enough work to keep you busy for the larger part of the summer
20110327 23:10:36< grigoryj_> You have to make a copy of this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Category:Summer_of_Code_2011_Student_Page
20110327 23:10:59< Nephro> I know :), but don't know how... Kind of ashamed
20110327 23:11:04< grigoryj_> mordante, yes, that's true
20110327 23:11:24< grigoryj_> Nephro, well, you can start by copying its source code
20110327 23:11:28< timotei21> Nephro: just go to a new url you want to be your homepage
20110327 23:11:40< timotei21> like: wiki.wesnoth.org/Nephro_SummerOfCode2011
20110327 23:11:53< grigoryj_> Then go to http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Summer_of_Code_Nephro and paste the code there
20110327 23:12:01< timotei21> and it will tell you the page doesn't exist, and ask if you want to create a new one. Press yes, and paste the template code there :P
20110327 23:13:19< mordante> grigoryj_, small nitpick, I don't think we need to fix the order of the keys
20110327 23:14:25< grigoryj_> mordante, I was talking about tag order, not keys..
20110327 23:14:41< grigoryj_> keys can be in any order
20110327 23:14:52< mordante> ok
20110327 23:16:47< timotei21> night
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20110327 23:24:19< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49037 /trunk/doc/manual/manual.txt: 
20110327 23:24:20< CIA-89> change the html manual to describe shortcuts always as "modifier+key" instead of a wild mix where "modifier-key" dominates
20110327 23:24:20< CIA-89> this change gets things uniform and in sync with what is shown ingame (plus it makes sense to have a '+' used when >1 key have to be pushed at the same time)
20110327 23:24:20< CIA-89> the po files are *not* updated yet...
20110327 23:25:52< CIA-89> espreon * r49038 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Updated the British English translation.
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20110327 23:26:27< grigoryj_> mordante, how did you like it? any more comments?
20110327 23:27:36< Upthorn> Espreon: you mentioned a while back that the "temporal clone" test was not working for you
20110327 23:27:45< Espreon> Yes.
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20110327 23:28:01< Upthorn> I just ran a test and it appears to be working fine
20110327 23:28:40< Espreon> Really now?
20110327 23:28:42< Espreon> Hmmm...
20110327 23:28:46< Upthorn> though it seems that the test scenario is clearing all persistent data just after making use of it, this is happening in the WML, not a c++ error
20110327 23:28:59< Espreon> Ah.
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20110327 23:30:32< Espreon> Well, it's still not working over here. But, if you insist it's just a problem with the test scenario, then... blargh.
20110327 23:30:53< Upthorn> Espreon: please describe the behavior
20110327 23:31:25< mordante> Upthorn, what is the status of persistent variables?
20110327 23:32:07< Upthorn> on my end what happens is: I move a unit to the label, close wesnoth, run wesnoth -t, and the unit is spawned on the label to begin with
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20110327 23:32:09< mordante> grigoryj_, not at the moment, looks rather nice, like to ponder about it a bit longer
20110327 23:32:11< Upthorn> this is the intended behavior
20110327 23:32:16< CIA-89> fendrin * r49039 /branches/editor/src/editor/action/ (9 files): Further attempts to refactor the editor's action classes.
20110327 23:32:20< Upthorn> well, rather, there's a copy of the unit on the label
20110327 23:32:34< Espreon> Upthorn: Well, I move Kaleh to the tile, the dialogue band appears, I quit, I restart, and there's no Kaleh on the tile.
20110327 23:32:51< mordante> grigoryj_, especially the proposed comment section
20110327 23:33:28< mordante> grigoryj_, could you also add an example of how an existing comment needs to change to generate a schema
20110327 23:34:15< Upthorn> Espreon: can you move Kaleh to the tile, quit, and then check your wesnoth userdata directory for
20110327 23:34:26< Upthorn> 1) a "persist" subdirectory
20110327 23:34:37< grigoryj_> All right, thanks 
20110327 23:35:02< Upthorn> and 2) that persist subdirectory for "demo.cfg"
20110327 23:35:03< Espreon> Upthorn: The persist directory exists.
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20110327 23:35:10< Espreon> ... but it is empty.
20110327 23:35:48< Upthorn> That is not happening for me.
20110327 23:36:10< Espreon> ... and I can write to the directory, so... yeah.
20110327 23:36:11< Upthorn> demo.cfg should be written when the scenario closes
20110327 23:36:29< Upthorn> possibly earlier, but definitely then
20110327 23:36:41< Upthorn> and this is happening for me under windows
20110327 23:37:59< Espreon> I'm using Linux, BTW.
20110327 23:38:53< Upthorn> hrm, let me investigate something
20110327 23:39:13< Upthorn> Espreon: open the test scenario, use the temporal clone label
20110327 23:39:20< Upthorn> and then capture a village by any means
20110327 23:39:40< Upthorn> is there now a demo.cfg in your wesnoth userdata/persist/ ?
20110327 23:39:57< Upthorn> oh wait that immediate=yes is only in my local copy, nvm
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20110327 23:44:12< Upthorn> Espreon: if you open scenario-test.cfg, and add the line "immediate=yes" to the [set_global_variable] tag at line 1159
20110327 23:45:45< Upthorn> so that the attributes are side=global, namespace="demo", from_local=store, to_global=saved_unit, immediate=yes
20110327 23:45:49< Upthorn> save test-scenario.cfg, run the test scenario, and move any unit to the temporal clone label
20110327 23:46:03< Upthorn> then check your wesnoth userdata/persist for a demo.cfg
20110327 23:46:09< Espreon> It works.
20110327 23:46:11< Upthorn> while wesnoth is still running
20110327 23:46:13< Upthorn> ok
20110327 23:46:42< Upthorn> I realized that I'd been triggering a [set_global_variable] with immediate=yes each time I tested
20110327 23:47:01< Upthorn> this means that the persist_context write functionality is working properly
20110327 23:47:10< Espreon> Upthorn: Are you going to commit the change, or should I do it?
20110327 23:47:16< Upthorn> but the end_transaction function isn't being called
20110327 23:47:20< Upthorn> which is a c++ error.
20110327 23:48:05< Espreon> Hmmmm...
20110327 23:48:06< Espreon> I see.
20110327 23:48:20< CIA-89> fendrin * r49040 /branches/editor/src/editor/action/ (5 files): More refactoring.
20110327 23:48:59< CIA-89> fendrin * r49041 /branches/editor/src/editor/action/ (action_village.cpp action_village.hpp): Even more ...
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20110327 23:52:19< Espreon> fendrin: http://pastebin.com/C2RHgzYn
20110327 23:53:22< fendrin> Espreon: Thank you. I need between 3 till 5 commits per file to make Wesnoth compile again. 
20110327 23:53:31< fendrin> Espreon: When refactoring.
20110327 23:53:39< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20110327 23:56:19< Soliton> use git and squash the commits then.
20110327 23:56:47< Soliton> it's not useful to have non-building revisions at all.
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