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20110322 00:00:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: For nothing?
20110322 00:00:17< Gambit> Nothing!?
20110322 00:00:26< Gambit> Thanks to me Rei2 is now immune to recursive function infinite loops.
20110322 00:01:15< shadowmaster> any particular reason you came up with this in here instead of the other channel?
20110322 00:01:25< Gambit> Because it highlighted me.
20110322 00:01:44< shadowmaster> it did the same elsewhere
20110322 00:02:01< Gambit> Yeah but we were already having a separate conversation there.
20110322 00:02:28< shadowmaster> and?
20110322 00:03:12< Gambit> Plus I always strike where you least expect.
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20110322 02:16:38< shadowmaster> wesbot: reload
20110322 02:16:38<+wesbot> shadowmaster: Who are you to use that tone on me??
20110322 02:16:45< shadowmaster> ah, it wasn't dare.
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20110322 02:57:27<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: alarantalara * r9020 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/scenarios/06_GatesToThePast.cfg: TLU: merged fixes from bitbucket
20110322 03:00:06<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: alarantalara * r9021 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/scenarios/06_GatesToThePast.cfg: TLU: do not want cameo - replaced with transliteration of "The Thousand Nights and a Night" based on Richard Burton
20110322 03:08:08< Espreon> Note to self: kill cameos.
20110322 03:18:39< Aethaeryn> Cameos?
20110322 03:20:31< Espreon> bvanevery put silly cameos of me, himself, inferno8, and Alarantalara into that scenario.
20110322 03:21:07< Aethaeryn> I could probably cameo in one of my scenarios with no one noticing.
20110322 03:21:14< Aethaeryn> Since Aethaeryn is a Wesnoth human male name
20110322 03:27:08< un214> I almost stuck one of Dave in mine
20110322 03:27:17< un214> it just says "Historian of Wesnoth instead"
20110322 03:41:04<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * r50f015c98065 /lib/Rei2/Math.pm: Rei2::Math: treat input as multiline even though it shouldn't be
20110322 03:41:05<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * re0440a89ff84 /rei2.pl: Version 0.2.6
20110322 03:41:06<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * r3017f242a0d8 /rei2.pl: Bump version
20110322 03:41:06<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * r550a1719e06d /rei2.pl: Version 0.2.7.1
20110322 03:41:07<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * r9a09a19c46b5 /rei2.pl: Bump version
20110322 03:41:09<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * r26f9f69c2994 / (lib/Rei2/Math.pm rei2.pl): 
20110322 03:41:09<+CIA-44> rei2: Merge branch 'master' into api3
20110322 03:41:09<+CIA-44> rei2: Conflicts:
20110322 03:41:09<+CIA-44> rei2:  rei2.pl
20110322 03:41:10<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * raf6ee8618be2 /lib/Rei2/Math.pm: Rei2::Math: detect DoS vulnerability discovered by loonycyborg
20110322 03:41:10<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * r7b2b4e8e2f45 /lib/Rei2/Math.pm: Rei2::Math: detect DoS vulnerability even better
20110322 03:41:15<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm api3 * raeb728675283 /lib/Rei2/Math.pm: Rei2::Math: fix the Gambit bug, thanks for nothing Gambit
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20110322 05:52:53<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9022 /trunk/After_the_Storm/scenarios/09_The_Triad_part_1.cfg: Scenario 9: remove the shaxthal drones, they make this scenario nearly impossible to complete
20110322 05:56:46<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9023 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ (20 files in 5 dirs): Oooo, wmlindent
20110322 06:10:48<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9024 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ (41 files in 4 dirs): Add Kate modelines
20110322 06:13:37<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9025 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ai/ (_main.cfg fake/npc.cfg macros.cfg): Moar Kate modelines, desu
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20110322 06:23:19< shadowmaster> shikadibot: log HEAD
20110322 06:23:23<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 9026 (shikadilord) on Tue Mar 22 05:20:11 2011:
20110322 06:23:27<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: Storyboards suck です！
20110322 06:23:28<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev?view=rev&revision=9026
20110322 06:23:45< Espreon> I've created a monster!
20110322 06:40:35< shadowmaster> #ifdef WESNOTH_10905
20110322 06:41:18< shadowmaster> #ifver == 1.9.5
20110322 06:41:31< shadowmaster> sigh, I really nee[Bsigh, we could really use something like this to allow version-based preprocessor conditionals
20110322 06:42:12< shadowmaster> Espreon: any other syntax ideas?
20110322 06:42:50< Espreon> What's wrong with periods?
20110322 06:43:04< shadowmaster> nothing, really
20110322 06:43:05< Espreon> Just curious.
20110322 06:43:26< Espreon> Either one works fine, I guess.
20110322 06:43:30< shadowmaster> I already implemented a data type class in mainline that allows to do natural version number cmparisons in C++
20110322 06:43:34< shadowmaster> around 1.5.x
20110322 06:44:09< shadowmaster> I just wish silene's preprocessor was a little more understandable
20110322 06:46:05< Espreon> shadowmaster: Yeah, just do what you think is natural. Either one's fine.
20110322 06:46:48< shadowmaster> that's assuming I ever do something on that matter :p
20110322 06:47:04< Espreon> Oy vey...
20110322 06:57:31< shadowmaster> actually, there might be hope
20110322 06:58:00< Espreon> Oh?
20110322 06:58:36< shadowmaster> I think I understood how this thing works
20110322 06:58:42< shadowmaster> at least the relevant portion of the logic
20110322 07:01:31< shadowmaster> if I succeed I'll post in Developers' Forum just in case some of the regulars has a better syntax idea
20110322 07:03:15< Espreon> Thank you, NP++... no thanks to you, sed.
20110322 07:21:52< shadowmaster> ughofmdsgg
20110322 07:22:12< Espreon> Yes?
20110322 07:22:40< shadowmaster> I don't know
20110322 07:22:56< shadowmaster> the C++ preprocessor is doing silly stuff with preprocessor.cpp (NO PUN INTENDED)
20110322 07:23:56< shadowmaster> bah
20110322 07:24:04< shadowmaster> all this mess because of an extra closing bracket
20110322 07:24:07< shadowmaster> brace
20110322 07:29:54< shadowmaster> 20110322 03:29:25 debug config: testing engine version against 1.7.4+svn (==): no match
20110322 07:29:57< shadowmaster> oman
20110322 07:30:15 * shadowmaster *facedesk*
20110322 07:30:25< shadowmaster> I keep mistyping 1.7.x instead of 1.9.x
20110322 07:31:17< shadowmaster> Espreon: I think this is going to work
20110322 07:31:26< Espreon> Yay!
20110322 07:31:42< shadowmaster> 20110322 03:31:17 debug config: testing engine version against 1.5.10 (>=): match
20110322 07:31:46< shadowmaster> 20110322 03:31:17 debug config: testing engine version against 1.9.4 (>): match
20110322 07:31:57< shadowmaster> 20110322 03:31:17 debug config: testing engine version against 1.9.4+svn (==): match
20110322 07:31:57< shadowmaster> 20110322 03:31:17 debug config: testing engine version against 1.9.5 (<): match
20110322 07:32:08< Espreon> Om nom nom nom...
20110322 07:36:40< Aethaeryn> Come on 1.9.5...
20110322 07:36:49< Aethaeryn> I need to test the new MoD...
20110322 07:37:07< Aethaeryn> ugh, next weekend is cram time for my really important math test
20110322 07:37:11< Aethaeryn> oh well
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20110322 08:06:04< shadowmaster> People
20110322 08:06:06< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33361
20110322 09:15:51< shadowmaster> %netname hdvirtual.freewebhostx.com
20110322 09:16:04< shadowmaster> !netname hdvirtual.freewebhostx.com
20110322 09:16:14<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: hdvirtual.freewebhostx.com = 69.162.119.163
20110322 09:16:15<+Rei2> shadowmaster: hdvirtual.freewebhostx.com = 69.162.119.163
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20110322 21:04:36<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r9028 /trunk/Master_of_Dungeons/lua/DungeonInventory.lua: Hosts now get the additional ability to add items to any given unit.
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20110322 21:22:42< vultraz> hey Gambit
20110322 21:37:26<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r9029 /trunk/Master_of_Dungeons/maps/cavern.map: Making more progress on the cavern map.
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20110322 22:13:04<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r9030 /trunk/Master_of_Dungeons/ (6 files in 2 dirs): More work on inventory; bugfixes; cleaning up todo
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20110322 22:23:50< zaroth> Aethaeryn: when did you start this master of dungeons project? 
20110322 22:24:12< Aethaeryn> At least a year ago.
20110322 22:24:22< Aethaeryn> Why?
20110322 22:24:32< zaroth> well, I'm just a bit bitter ;-)
20110322 22:24:36< Aethaeryn> ?
20110322 22:25:03< zaroth> I'm doing a dungeon keeper based add-on, sticked to the name "dungeon master" (started ~ a month ago)
20110322 22:25:22< zaroth> wanted to publish it on addons server - what I see? dungeonmaster era
20110322 22:25:29< zaroth> come to irc - "master of dungeons"
20110322 22:25:31< Aethaeryn> Yeah.
20110322 22:25:47< Aethaeryn> In 1.8 it's part of Aethaeryn's Maps, but when I rewrote it in Lua I split it off.
20110322 22:25:51< zaroth> i guess I will just switch to dungeons of wesnoth ;-)
20110322 22:27:16< Aethaeryn> Hmm, not quite a year... started it in May
20110322 22:27:30< zaroth> but I guess I should look into your add-on now
20110322 22:27:53< zaroth> r9028 commit message seems interesting :-)
20110322 22:28:03< Aethaeryn> probably shouldn't look into it as it is.
20110322 22:28:23< Aethaeryn> Inventory/shops/upgrades non-functional atm.
20110322 22:28:48< Aethaeryn> Atm, the rewrite part is complete...
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20110322 22:29:08< zaroth> all right, so I will wait a few weeks
20110322 22:29:21< Aethaeryn> The MP campaign, the non-blank maps, and the RPG era side of things aren't working yet.
20110322 22:29:28< zaroth> maybe I'll luckily be at the irc at the moment you'll be doing commits just like now
20110322 22:29:35< Aethaeryn> in 1.8 I just played with Bob's RPG Era, but there are disadvantages to depending on someone else's era.
20110322 22:29:35< zaroth> to remind me of it :-)
20110322 22:29:53< Aethaeryn> zaroth: if you have 1.9.4 we could play a game right now.
20110322 22:30:08< zaroth> i have 1.9.4+svn
20110322 22:30:17< Aethaeryn> right, SVN doesn't do MP very well
20110322 22:30:17< zaroth> so - why not?
20110322 22:30:21< Aethaeryn> since you need the same revision.
20110322 22:30:30< Aethaeryn> So I have two checkouts of SVN
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20110322 22:30:54< Aethaeryn> one at r48297 for MP
20110322 22:30:56< Aethaeryn> and one at latest
20110322 22:31:02< zaroth> ah, nice idea
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20110322 22:31:24< Aethaeryn> You probably want to just copy and paste and then downgrade the copy
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20110322 22:31:31< Aethaeryn> So you don't have to redownload everything
20110322 22:32:24< Aethaeryn> There's two MPs for 1.9.*
20110322 22:32:51< zaroth> yeah, but after it finishes copying, updating, compiling it will be probably too late for starting an RPG game - so let's play another day
20110322 22:32:52< Aethaeryn> One requires the *latest* SVN, and no one's there. One requires the latest tagged one (e.g. 1.9.4, no +) and very few people are there.
20110322 22:33:22< Aethaeryn> MoD is 2-8p
20110322 22:33:31< Aethaeryn> But fun with at least 3-5
20110322 22:33:49< Aethaeryn> Essentially, the host has debug mode (well, a more limited version of it) + map editor
20110322 22:34:08< Aethaeryn> And the goal of the host is to create an improvized scenario for the other players to play.
20110322 22:34:18< Aethaeryn> So, ideally, the host always loses in the end :-P
20110322 22:34:48< zaroth> it probably has the same issue as my add-on will have - it isn't dynamic...
20110322 22:34:56< Aethaeryn> What do you mean?
20110322 22:35:27< zaroth> I presume the host can do modifications only within his turn, right?
20110322 22:35:58< Aethaeryn> Well, he gets two turns
20110322 22:36:08< zaroth> if so, the game can get pretty lengthy, since host's turns will take quite a while
20110322 22:36:09< Aethaeryn> One before everyone moves, one after everyone moves.
20110322 22:36:52< Aethaeryn> zaroth: Is yours identical to mine in what the host does?
20110322 22:36:56< zaroth> and that also prevents setting turn timer to 60 second/turn (with initial to 300 secs and reservoir of 300 secs), what I usually do in RPG games
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20110322 22:37:17< zaroth> no, no, I played with the dungeon keeper idea pretty heavily
20110322 22:37:29< Aethaeryn> Well, I hate timers.
20110322 22:37:42< Aethaeryn> But...
20110322 22:37:43< zaroth> in my add-on dwarvish miners dig the tunnels, gold and dwarvish tinkers set traps
20110322 22:37:54< Aethaeryn> I did fix the host-takes-forever issue.
20110322 22:37:58< Aethaeryn> Kinda.
20110322 22:38:21< Aethaeryn> Instead of starting with a blank map that the host has to draw *everything* on, when I turn MoD into an MP campaign most of the maps will be real maps instead of blank.
20110322 22:38:41< Aethaeryn> This compensates for the host's lack of mapping ability (I forget that most people can't map well, I've been mapping for games since I was 12)
20110322 22:38:56< Aethaeryn> And speeds up the playtime for most scenarios unless the players want a totally custom thing.
20110322 22:39:03< Aethaeryn> The host can still edit the map, and the host still has to place all the units.
20110322 22:39:13< Aethaeryn> But starting on a pre-set map will speed it up since now the host just has to tweak.
20110322 22:39:52< zaroth> it really seems like this dungeonmaster era on 1.9.4 addon server
20110322 22:39:57< Aethaeryn> I also made the editor more powerful, allowing brush sizes...
20110322 22:40:22< zaroth> but I couldn't test this one because of a bug in SVN version with blurred objective windows :(
20110322 22:40:33< Aethaeryn> ah
20110322 22:40:48< Aethaeryn> Well, MoD now is written almost entirely in Lua, mostly object oriented too
20110322 22:41:15< Aethaeryn> Which abstracts away from repetitive code and dreadful interfaces, essentially making most files like *real* config files ;-)
20110322 22:41:28< Aethaeryn> That's why I had to move to trunk.
20110322 22:41:46< Aethaeryn> The Lua's more powerful in trunk.
20110322 22:42:07< zaroth> seems like I could learn a lot from browsing your code - I'm really glad now that I chatted up to you a few minutes ago :-)
20110322 22:42:22< zaroth> right now I was using bob's rpg era code as examples while doing my WML
20110322 22:42:30< Aethaeryn> Well, there's a bunch of hackish stuff because of the way the WML/Lua/WML-table stuff have to be.
20110322 22:42:41< Aethaeryn> And a lot of times I just needed to create a global variable... I'm not proud of that.
20110322 22:42:49< zaroth> but he uses hardly any lua, lots of WML macros instead
20110322 22:43:10< zaroth> (in fact, I don't remember seeing any lua in his code...)
20110322 22:43:23< Aethaeryn> Essentially, I replaced my macros with Lua, then replaced most of my WML with Lua. Then I rewrote my Lua into mostly object-oriented code.
20110322 22:43:42< Aethaeryn> Functions are a million times better than macros.
20110322 22:43:54< Aethaeryn> The problem is that sometimes things need to be implemented with WML tables, which is simply coding WML in Lua syntax.
20110322 22:44:02< Aethaeryn> Which often is for things you wish Lua could do natively.
20110322 22:44:12< Aethaeryn> Those kind of things I abstracted away in class definitions when I could.
20110322 22:46:03< zaroth> question regarding your latest svn/dev version setup - you don't have two separate config directories for that, do you ?
20110322 22:46:20< Aethaeryn> I used to, but I see no need.
20110322 22:46:27< zaroth> i guess it shouldn't differ that much...
20110322 22:46:27< Aethaeryn> Since dev version is released every month or two...
20110322 22:46:35< Aethaeryn> And so it shouldn't conflict with SVN
20110322 22:46:43< Aethaeryn> If there was some conflict I guess I'd do it, but otherwise it's just easier.
20110322 22:46:54< Aethaeryn> So, e.g., the add-ons can be consistent
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20110322 22:52:49< Aethaeryn> zaroth: there's a lot of missing features or bugs in Wesnoth's iterface with Lua that I had to work around that limits the utility of my classes and requires a workaround. For some (e.g. inventory) it limits to one inventory object per game. Hopefully I can patch Wesnoth myself to fix some of those issues before 1.10
20110322 22:53:38< zaroth> ha, finally got the link right to checkout your addon
20110322 22:54:27< zaroth> Aethaeryn: I also hope you succeed with it, it would nicely go together with my desire to learn more Lua (which I do even more eagerly since it will also be useful outside Wesnoth world)
20110322 22:55:00< Aethaeryn> All my add-ons would be finished and published already if it wasn't for so many damned math classes.
20110322 22:56:42< zaroth> LOL! ASCII art saying "Global variables" :D
20110322 22:57:03< Aethaeryn> yeah, it's an app called "figlet"
20110322 22:57:24< Aethaeryn> it used to be on Fedora's repositories a few years ago, but isn't anymore. For some reason I wanted it, so I found the source and compiled it myself...
20110322 22:57:35< Aethaeryn> Then I realized I didn't need it, but was determined to find some use for it.
20110322 22:57:38< Aethaeryn> Ergo, headings. ;-)
20110322 22:57:53< zaroth> neat! :-)
20110322 22:58:07< zaroth> luckily, it's in gentoo portage in case I need it
20110322 22:58:22< zaroth> but it's the first time I see such a thing in code
20110322 22:59:20< Aethaeryn> Yes, 90% of my code is done with rigid standards (e.g. university classes) that often have stupid requirements like so many comments that I almost have more comment lines than source lines
20110322 22:59:40< Aethaeryn> So, when it comes to code I write myself...
20110322 22:59:54< Aethaeryn> I make my own standards :-P
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20110322 23:02:52< zaroth> by the way, I wanted to put my add-on under git version control, but didn't do it since I didn't know how wesnoth handles these directories and didn't want to bother myself at this point
20110322 23:03:22< zaroth> but users of umc-dev must have solved this - do you remove .svn dirs from the addon directory while releasing? or does wesnoth just ignore them?
20110322 23:03:41< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster probably knows
20110322 23:03:53< Aethaeryn> I tend to just manually remove them just to be safe
20110322 23:04:00< shadowmaster> zaroth: if you don't have a _server.ign file, don't worry about it
20110322 23:04:29< shadowmaster> Espreon: around?
20110322 23:04:32< Espreon> Yup.
20110322 23:04:49< shadowmaster> Espreon: could you elaborate on the above? I'm lazy. :p
20110322 23:05:04< Espreon> Sure, why not?
20110322 23:06:24< Espreon> zaroth: Unless you have a _server.ign file that doesn't exclude things that begin with a dot, don't worry about it. Unless you have such a file, Wesnoth will automatically remove anything that begins with a period, thus it will remove .svn directories.
20110322 23:06:57< Espreon> If you have such a file, add the proper pattern.
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20110322 23:08:29< zaroth> Espreon: thanks! BTW, is this somewhere on the wiki? I tried hard to find this info starting from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PblWML and couldn't, so I switched to IRC
20110322 23:09:01< zaroth> (PblWML is the essence of what I know about weird configuration files in the add-on directory right now, so I started there)
20110322 23:09:09< Espreon> I see.
20110322 23:09:18< Espreon> Well, glad I could help.
20110322 23:10:29< shadowmaster> zaroth: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/IGNFileFormat
20110322 23:12:03< zaroth> yeah, knowing the name of the file I found it now as well. but, to excuse myself just one page links there except ReferenceWML, so it's pretty well-hidden :P
20110322 23:16:46< Espreon> Note to self: get back to the EoM soon.
20110322 23:18:41< zaroth> Aethaeryn: playing around with your add-on, it's pretty awesome! is it a way for dungeon master to speak as a NPC already?
20110322 23:18:58< zaroth> s/it/there/
20110322 23:19:40< zaroth> also "Summon Summoner" is a bit strange label for summoning just simple units ;-)
20110322 23:23:12< zaroth> it'd be quite nice as well to have a label telling what's the current brush radius at the top is while choosing the terrain to be put on chosen hex
20110322 23:24:16< zaroth> ah, i just discovered how to speak as units :-)
20110322 23:26:48< Gambit> It summons units that summon other units?
20110322 23:26:52< Gambit> We need to go deeper.
20110322 23:28:41< zaroth> yeah, I just discovered that they aren't simple units and that they really summon things...
20110322 23:29:27< zaroth> quite a nice way to have mini-bosses :-)
20110322 23:31:27< zaroth> I just summoned a bunch of units as one of the ancient liches around the second ancient lich and won... Maybe the dungeon masters should be in team ? :P
20110322 23:34:25< Gambit> Yeah but it's not good enough.
20110322 23:34:32< Gambit> I want a summoner within a summoner within a summoner.
20110322 23:40:39< zaroth> Aaah, I can't kill units with thunders or monster pianos from heaven? Lame ;-)
20110322 23:41:37< zaroth> but seriously, Aethaeryn - thanks a lot for making this add-on, it will provide me with plenty of reference material when writing my own!
20110322 23:41:54< zaroth> (and some functions are luckily quite similar to what I have planned)
20110322 23:56:50< Aethaeryn> zaroth: well, yeah, you can easily "win"
20110322 23:57:01< Aethaeryn> The point is to guide p2-5 through a labyrinth you set up
20110322 23:57:10< Aethaeryn> With units you place that are appropriate to their difficulty
20110322 23:57:35< Aethaeryn> p6 is on a different team than p1 because p6 spawns "NPC" units that are on the player's side but not in their control.
20110322 23:57:40< Aethaeryn> p1 spawns enemy units that they actively have to fight.
20110322 23:58:11< Aethaeryn> p2-5 are the non-host adventurers, p1, p6 is the same player (host) who does enemies (p1) and NPCs (p6)
20110322 23:58:20< Aethaeryn> Though you could have p1 and p6 as different people, they'd just have to get along 
20110322 23:59:01< Aethaeryn> And traps, chests, shops, etc., are planned, just aren't there yet.
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