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--- Day changed Wed Mar 23 2011
20110323 00:00:05< zaroth> oh, that's why you have two DMs...
20110323 00:00:05< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/IGNFileFormat <- .* isn't (stated) as being part of the default ign
20110323 00:00:42< Aethaeryn> zaroth: unfortunately, a help file comes last on my priority list ;-)
20110323 00:01:42< zaroth> I thought it was made just in order to allow two DMs have more fun planning together
20110323 00:02:07< zaroth> and considered it a bug them being in different teams, since they can't secretly teamchat that way :P
20110323 00:03:03< Aethaeryn> p1 = host (enemy), p2-5 = adventurers, p6 = host (NPC), p7-8 = blank
20110323 00:03:10< Aethaeryn> The blank sides are because you can't create a side mid-game
20110323 00:03:19< Aethaeryn> every now and then there's a ton of observers in a game, some chatty.
20110323 00:03:22< zaroth> uh, I remember when I once executed a command on .*
20110323 00:03:29< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: fix it then
20110323 00:03:33< zaroth> it could have been a chmod
20110323 00:04:05< zaroth> don't do this at home, it will recursively go into . and .. directories and browse your whole system...
20110323 00:04:42< zaroth> and I just tried then to do something with my hidden files in the home directory back then, luckily I wasn't root ;-)
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20110323 00:06:00< Aethaeryn> zaroth: btw, you can modify almost everything about sides (objectives currently broken)
20110323 00:06:03< Aethaeryn> Including team.
20110323 00:06:31< Aethaeryn> So even though one of the blank sides is enemy and one adventurers, you can put them both on one side
20110323 00:06:39< Aethaeryn> you can even split the players into their own sides
20110323 00:06:39< zaroth> I assume you will add modifying units later?
20110323 00:06:43< Aethaeryn> yes
20110323 00:06:47< Aethaeryn> see "todo"
20110323 00:07:02< zaroth> with a send_monster_piano option?
20110323 00:07:35< Aethaeryn> As long as it doesn't require download I can do it ;-)
20110323 00:07:43< Aethaeryn> Actually, I technically *can* require download now.
20110323 00:07:53< Aethaeryn> It's only "Aethaeryn's Maps" where I have a policy against requiring downloading
20110323 00:08:18< zaroth> (monster pianos from heaven seem to be recurring joke for killing characters by angry DMs, at least at my RPG group)
20110323 00:08:29< zaroth> yay!
20110323 00:08:49< Aethaeryn> I have, in early tests when I had less complete control, been known to spawn yetis down paths I didn't want you going.
20110323 00:08:57< Aethaeryn> As in, "Okay, I warned you not to go down this path."
20110323 00:09:00< Aethaeryn> Bam! YETI!
20110323 00:09:31< zaroth> the satisfaction
20110323 00:10:19< zaroth> but please, don't miss my probably only useful suggestion there and improve the terrain painting ui by displaying the current brush somewhere visible
20110323 00:10:48< zaroth> when lost in browsing the plethora of options, I always forgot what the brush size was :-)
20110323 00:11:54< zaroth> good night!
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20110323 00:12:17< Aethaeryn> Ah, right.
20110323 00:12:23< Aethaeryn> Probably going to have to get into custom UIs
20110323 00:25:10< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I hope you meant "fix the wiki" and not "fix the game to ignore .*"
20110323 00:36:25< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yes
20110323 00:39:55< Aethaeryn> k
20110323 00:39:58< Aethaeryn> I did.
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20110323 01:13:32<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r9031 /branches/1.8/Aethaeryns_Maps/scenarios/5p_Dwarven_Fortress.cfg: Fixing a bad bottleneck.
20110323 01:13:50<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: aethaeryn * r9032 /trunk/Aethaeryns_Maps/scenarios/5p_Dwarven_Fortress.cfg: Fixing a bad bottleneck.
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20110323 01:51:03< vultraz> bye
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20110323 05:31:54< shadowmaster> !math 10000-9032
20110323 05:31:55<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: 968
20110323 05:34:04< Aethaeryn> !math e^(iπ) + 1
20110323 05:34:05<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:34:09< Aethaeryn> :-(
20110323 05:34:15< shadowmaster> so,
20110323 05:34:44< shadowmaster> why does it happen that whenever I ask one of my bots something I need at the moment, some random person comes up and starts playing around with them as if they didn't have the whole day for that? :)
20110323 05:35:18< Aethaeryn> !math e^(4)
20110323 05:35:18<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: 0
20110323 05:35:23< Aethaeryn> Ok, you at least have e
20110323 05:35:42< Aethaeryn> though that should be 54
20110323 05:35:47< Aethaeryn> !math e ** 4
20110323 05:35:48<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:35:55< Aethaeryn> right, you don't use python syntax
20110323 05:36:05< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I DIDN'T IMPLEMENT IT, DAMMIT.
20110323 05:36:07< shadowmaster> it's GNU bc
20110323 05:36:15< Aethaeryn> bc?
20110323 05:36:20< shadowmaster> GNU bc.
20110323 05:36:27< shadowmaster> !whatis bc
20110323 05:36:28<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: bc (1)               - An arbitrary precision calculator language
20110323 05:36:37< Aethaeryn> I typed bc in bash and got something...
20110323 05:36:43< Aethaeryn> oooh, it does math
20110323 05:37:41< Aethaeryn> !math e = 2.718281828; e ^ 4
20110323 05:37:41<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: 54.598149996
20110323 05:37:46< Aethaeryn> there, that's approximately better
20110323 05:37:58< Aethaeryn> yes, I have e memorized that far, after that it gets hard ;-)
20110323 05:38:28< shadowmaster> sigh.
20110323 05:38:41< Aethaeryn> !math pi
20110323 05:38:42<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:39:15< Aethaeryn> !math pi = 3.14159265; e = 2.718281828; e ^ pi
20110323 05:39:15<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:39:23< Aethaeryn> !math π = 3.14159265; e = 2.718281828; e ^ π
20110323 05:39:24<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:39:28< Aethaeryn> !math p = 3.14159265; e = 2.718281828; e ^ p
20110323 05:39:29<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: 20.085536913
20110323 05:40:10< Aethaeryn> that one isn't very accurate, must not have gone far enough in declaring the variables.
20110323 05:40:20< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: is there a way to force it to have e and pi as constants?
20110323 05:41:12< shadowmaster> man bc
20110323 05:41:24< Aethaeryn> I'm checking
20110323 05:41:41< Aethaeryn> !math 1 || 0
20110323 05:41:41<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:41:53< Aethaeryn> hmm, man says boolean operations are legal
20110323 05:42:13< Aethaeryn> !math a = 1; b = 0; a || b
20110323 05:42:14<+shikadibot> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:44:23< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I think there might be a way to declare it so it recognizes boolean operators.
20110323 05:44:30< Aethaeryn> I mean, initiate the program.
20110323 05:45:46< shadowmaster> can't see any in the command line
20110323 05:45:56< Aethaeryn> hmm
20110323 05:46:08< Aethaeryn> if I type "bc" in my cmomand line, and then "1 || 0" I get 1
20110323 05:46:11< shadowmaster> GNU shit isn't POSIX-compliant by default, so I'm not sure what to make of the man page.
20110323 05:46:25< Aethaeryn> but !math 1 || 0 gives me Error
20110323 05:46:40< shadowmaster> %math 1 || 0
20110323 05:46:41<+Rei2> shadowmaster: Error.
20110323 05:46:51< shadowmaster> hm
20110323 05:46:53< Aethaeryn> I think you might be running it with -s
20110323 05:46:59< Aethaeryn>   -s  --standard     non-standard bc constructs are errors
20110323 05:47:14< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, non-standard is where all the fun math is :-(
20110323 05:48:27< Aethaeryn> hmm
20110323 05:48:36< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: try now
20110323 05:48:42<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm S2 * r6708536ffdb6 /lib/S2.pm: Stuff
20110323 05:48:42< shadowmaster> not to shikadibot, but Rei2
20110323 05:48:49< shadowmaster> er,
20110323 05:48:52<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm * rce960462cac0 /lib/Rei2/Math.pm: Rei2::Math: don't pass -s to bc
20110323 05:48:58< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: i.e.
20110323 05:48:59< Aethaeryn> %math 1 || 0
20110323 05:49:00<+Rei2> Aethaeryn: 1
20110323 05:49:03< Aethaeryn> :-)
20110323 05:49:03<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm S2 * r80eda709db8f /lib/S2.pm: S2 core: shorthands for PRIVMSG, NOTICE
20110323 05:49:04<+CIA-44> rei2: shadowm S2 * ra356c3d524c7 /lib/S2.pm: Remove Rei2::Backend::* namespace leftover
20110323 05:49:05< shadowmaster> yeah, that
20110323 05:49:07< Aethaeryn> %math e(1)
20110323 05:49:08<+Rei2> Aethaeryn: Error.
20110323 05:49:09< Aethaeryn> hmm
20110323 05:49:28< Aethaeryn> "bc -l" allows e(x) and s(x) etc.
20110323 05:49:39< Aethaeryn> e(x) for e, s(x) for sin, c(x) for cosin, etc.
20110323 05:51:48< Aethaeryn> hmm
20110323 05:51:49< Aethaeryn>        In /bin/sh,  the following will assign the value of "pi" to the shell variable pi.
20110323 05:51:52< Aethaeryn>                pi=$(echo "scale=10; 4*a(1)" | bc -l)
20110323 05:52:19< Aethaeryn> hah, that allows echo $pi
20110323 05:52:41< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: your bots are awesome
20110323 05:53:44< shadowmaster> you want me to pass -l ?
20110323 05:54:44< Aethaeryn> If there isn't any harm
20110323 05:54:56< Aethaeryn> should just import a library
20110323 05:55:19< Aethaeryn> that allows log, e, sine, cosine, and arctangent, and whatever the "Bessel function" is
20110323 05:55:21< shadowmaster> I only worry about possible DoS scenarios
20110323 05:55:40< shadowmaster> namely, endless loops or recursion
20110323 05:55:49< shadowmaster> (or memory depletion)
20110323 05:56:03< Aethaeryn> oooh, 4 * a(1) = pi
20110323 05:56:26< Aethaeryn> because the arctangent of 1 must be π/4 or something
20110323 05:58:01< Aethaeryn> hmm
20110323 05:58:13< Aethaeryn> without -l, sqrt() returns an int, with -l it returns the accurate value
20110323 05:58:48< Aethaeryn> %math sqrt(2)
20110323 05:58:49<+Rei2> Aethaeryn: 1
20110323 05:59:04< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: how can you get recursion from those functions?
20110323 05:59:26< shadowmaster> dunno
20110323 05:59:26< Aethaeryn> oh
20110323 05:59:43< Aethaeryn> e(e(e(e(e(e(e(e(1))))))))
20110323 05:59:47< Aethaeryn> Is now 100% of my CPU
20110323 05:59:49< Aethaeryn> good point
20110323 05:59:51< shadowmaster> the stuff I had to blacklist are language constructs, namely define(), while() and for()
20110323 06:00:03< shadowmaster> %math e(e(e(e(e(e(e(e(1))))))))
20110323 06:00:03<+Rei2> shadowmaster: Error.
20110323 06:00:50< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yeah, that's a bi t of a problem
20110323 06:01:00< Aethaeryn> aaaaaaaand I had to stop it
20110323 06:01:00< shadowmaster> at least until I figure out how to safely set a child process timer
20110323 06:01:19< Aethaeryn> yeah, if there was a way to keep it at simple stuff like e(2) and not a million e's
20110323 06:03:00< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: perhaps you could use a web service for that stuff
20110323 06:03:13< Aethaeryn> e.g. Google can solve e^(i * pi) + 1
20110323 06:03:30< Aethaeryn> Maybe Wolfram|Alpha has something.
20110323 06:06:34< Aethaeryn> http://products.wolframalpha.com/api/libraries.html
20110323 06:08:53< Aethaeryn> hmm, maybe I'll play around with an IRC bot.
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20110323 07:13:11< shadowmaster> Espreon: 20110323 03:10:47 error config: preprocessor symbol 'PICKUPPABLE_ITEM' expects 10 arguments, but has 8 arguments at ~add-ons/To_Lands_Unknown/scenarios/07_Kagatta.cfg:312 included from ~add-ons/To_Lands_Unknown/_main.cfg:89
20110323 07:13:19< shadowmaster> it all goes downhill from that point
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20110323 07:16:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, that breaking change only exists in 1.9.4+svn... so... yeah.
20110323 07:17:08< Espreon> shadowmaster: Sigh... lemme get on metakraid.
20110323 07:17:12< Espreon> Sorry about that.
20110323 07:17:17< shadowmaster> don't worry
20110323 07:17:20< shadowmaster> I fixed wesnoth
20110323 07:17:23< shadowmaster> well, "fixed"
20110323 07:17:27< shadowmaster> reverted your change locally
20110323 07:19:02< shadowmaster> oman
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20110323 07:21:10< shadowmaster> Espreon: we need to turn AtS into this.
20110323 07:24:56< Espreon> Heh...
20110323 07:44:58< shadowmaster> %repo
20110323 07:44:58<+Rei2> shadowmaster: Repository URI: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev
20110323 07:45:09< shadowmaster> Rei2: you suck
20110323 07:45:22< shadowmaster> https can also be used anonymously, y'know
20110323 07:46:17< shadowmaster> shikadibot: dir /branches/1.8
20110323 07:46:18<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL to dir branches/1.8: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/1.8
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20110323 09:31:38<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9033 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/anglat2futhorc: 
20110323 09:31:38<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: WIP Perl script to do ang@latin -> ang transliteration in mainline gettext catalogues
20110323 09:31:38<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: (This is currently more of a proof of concept than anything. In particular, it
20110323 09:31:38<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: produces mangled UTF-8 at the moment for some reason. I'll come back to it later.)
20110323 09:31:45< shadowmaster> Espreon: ^
20110323 09:32:33< shadowmaster> I need to solve the UTF-8 mangling and improve the logic to handle $variable_names| and those annoying font lists in fonts.cfg
20110323 09:32:42< shadowmaster> and perhaps other stuff.
20110323 09:33:15< shadowmaster> more coming eventually
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20110323 13:18:28< Espreon> shadowmaster: Nice.
20110323 13:18:38< Espreon> shadowmaster: Why does it need to deal with fonts.cfg?
20110323 13:18:44< Espreon> I managed to get it to cover the runic plane.
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20110323 18:04:41< AI0867> shadowmaster: I've worked with some preprocessor directives in the past. What's the problem?
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20110323 20:15:09< shadowmaster> AI0867: no problem AFAIK
20110323 20:15:21< shadowmaster> Espreon: because it's trying to transliterate font names
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20110323 20:45:32<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: anonymissimus * r9034 /trunk/Wesnoth_Lua_Pack/ (_main.cfg changelog wlp-version.cfg): New WLP_VERSION macro to allow checking for the wlp version installed.
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20110323 21:51:00< Espreon> shadowmaster: Ah, yes.
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