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20110328 01:34:35< AI0867> shadowmaster: %.-like specs?
20110328 01:34:48< shadowmaster> and %interpolation
20110328 01:34:53< shadowmaster> er, $interpolation, even
20110328 01:35:00< shadowmaster> also, document #error and #warning
20110328 01:35:02< shadowmaster> :p
20110328 01:35:04< AI0867> er, right
20110328 01:37:46< AI0867> there are a couple cases of "WTF is this line of perl supposed to do" =P
20110328 01:40:08< AI0867> the easy way would probably be to modify lines 135 and 140
20110328 01:40:21< AI0867> add [^%$] at the front of the regex
20110328 01:40:42< AI0867> though that'd fail for character at the start of the string
20110328 01:40:43< shadowmaster> AI0867: yeah, well, that'd not help in all cases
20110328 01:41:07< shadowmaster> notice that I'm using the g flag
20110328 01:41:44< AI0867> also, not for wml vars
20110328 01:41:57< AI0867> ugh, looks like we may need to tokenize
20110328 01:42:42< AI0867> I don't see how the qw() stuff works btw
20110328 01:42:58< AI0867> I don't see any commas in there or anything
20110328 01:43:22< AI0867> does it use whitespace to separate its arguments?
20110328 01:43:28< shadowmaster> yes
20110328 01:43:42< shadowmaster> whitespace being anything that isspace() would recognize as such, including newlines
20110328 01:44:55< shadowmaster> basically it's equivalent to passing the argument as the string parameter in split /\s+/, $foo
20110328 01:45:56< AI0867> if we're going to properly skip wml vars, we need to do something similar to the interpolator, which manually walks the string
20110328 01:45:59< AI0867> want me to do that?
20110328 01:46:13< AI0867> do you have a testcase for the tool?
20110328 01:48:02< shadowmaster> any ang@latin.po that contains interpolated WML variables/symbol table entries I guess
20110328 01:48:25< shadowmaster> wesnoth/ang@latin.po should do
20110328 01:49:06< shadowmaster> and yeah, it'd be great if you could figure out how to skip variables like that (and the aforementioned format specifications) if you get the time
20110328 01:49:29< shadowmaster> as you can see, you don't even have to bother with the po file format
20110328 01:49:36< shadowmaster> that's all done for you prior to the transliterate() call
20110328 01:49:47< AI0867> I'm missing a module
20110328 01:50:06< AI0867> Can't locate Locale/PO.pm in @INC 
20110328 01:50:20< shadowmaster> sudo apt-get install liblocale-po-perl
20110328 01:50:53< shadowmaster> squeeze's version works fine.
20110328 02:04:05< AI0867> shadowmaster: what's the best way (for some values of best, as you can do everything at least 3 different ways in perl) to iterate over a string you intend to change?
20110328 02:05:30< shadowmaster> haven't figured it out myself, especially not with multibyte strings
20110328 02:06:04< shadowmaster> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/split.html
20110328 02:06:12< shadowmaster> "As a special case for split, the empty pattern // specifically matches the empty string; this is not be confused with the normal use of an empty pattern to mean the last successful match."
20110328 02:06:38< shadowmaster> you could probably use that 
20110328 02:06:47< shadowmaster> again, I don't know what will happen with strings composed of multibyte characters
20110328 02:06:54< shadowmaster> (hilarity may ensue)
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20110328 02:38:48< AI0867> I don't want to split, that'll turn into a horrible mess
20110328 02:39:11< AI0867> I have to properly tokenize it, or at least pretend to do so in order to find which parts are translatable
20110328 02:47:03< AI0867> I need:
20110328 02:47:10< AI0867> -find the first occurrence of % or $
20110328 02:47:21< AI0867> if it's a %, ignore the next character
20110328 02:48:06< AI0867> if it's a $ and the next character is a (, tokenize it as a formula string, until the matching ) is found ( ')'s can be found in comments and strings)
20110328 02:49:07< AI0867> otherwise, use normal WML variable interpolation for it. That is, count $s and |s, until you reach 0 or encounter a character that can't be a variable name
20110328 02:50:05< AI0867> and I just read that split(//, ... ) may actually be my best option...
20110328 02:54:01< AI0867> shadowmaster: what do the {en,de}code('UTF-8',...) calls do?
20110328 02:54:29< AI0867> what does perl work with internally?
20110328 02:57:33< AI0867> okay, literal bytes unless you use "use utf8;"
20110328 03:11:38< AI0867> ugh, malformed utf8 errors...
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20110328 03:33:11< AI0867> I'm tempted to just port the entire thing to python =P
20110328 03:33:47< Espreon> Noooooooooooo...
20110328 03:34:18< Espreon> It'll take too long...
20110328 03:34:49< AI0867> it's already taken me an hour just to (partially) understand perl's issues here
20110328 03:34:58< Espreon> No, I meant for it to transliterate.
20110328 03:35:04< Espreon> Then again...
20110328 03:35:07< Espreon> I'm not Ivanovic.
20110328 03:35:10< Espreon> So... do what you wish.
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20110328 03:38:46< AI0867> Espreon: that problem (wmlxgettext) was that the python version was bristling with features that made a different approach necessary
20110328 03:39:16< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20110328 03:39:26< Espreon> Speaking of wmlxgettext, someone really needs to speed it up.
20110328 03:39:29< AI0867> the perl version was a relatively simple regex thing, while the python one was an actual parser because you can't hack away with regexes for somethins
20110328 03:39:53< AI0867> do *you* wan't to port it to C++?
20110328 03:40:04< Espreon> I'd love to, but I can't.
20110328 03:40:39< Espreon> I want mah # po: support
20110328 03:40:55< Espreon> If we want plurals in WML and shit... yeah...
20110328 03:41:05< Espreon> Well...
20110328 03:41:16< Espreon> No, things like poedit fix the files.
20110328 03:42:01< Espreon> No.
20110328 03:42:07< Espreon> We still need some sort of support.
20110328 03:42:11< Espreon> ... I think.
20110328 03:50:27< AI0867> yeah, well, I wanted to add plural support, but I didn't want to touch wmlxgettext
20110328 03:51:19< Espreon> Plural support... would be fucking awesome.
20110328 03:58:02< AI0867> gah, I'm having serious trouble figuring out wtf this perl is doing...
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20110328 05:08:42<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: ai0867 * r9097 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/anglat2futhorc.py: Add reimplementation of anglat2futhorc in python
20110328 05:09:07< shadowmaster> AI0867: ASFDFGF
20110328 05:09:13< shadowmaster> CLZKXMVVIALSFDE
20110328 05:09:33< shadowmaster> Gambit: help me here
20110328 05:09:43< Gambit> :O
20110328 05:10:01< Gambit> AI0867: Perl is superior for digesting text :O
20110328 05:10:10< Gambit> [citation_needed]
20110328 05:10:18< Espreon> Gambit: Shut up.
20110328 05:10:36< AI0867> apparently not in this case
20110328 05:10:37< shadowmaster> Espreon: 00:09:32 <shadowmaster> Gambit: help me here
20110328 05:10:44< shadowmaster> Espreon: :|
20110328 05:10:48< Espreon> But, he's killing it!
20110328 05:10:54< Espreon> He's fucking killing it!
20110328 05:11:00< Gambit> [citation_needed]
20110328 05:11:05< Espreon> shadowmaster: SEE?
20110328 05:11:11< Gambit> -trollface.png-
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20110328 05:11:23< shadowmaster> yeah
20110328 05:11:32< Espreon> I like it!
20110328 05:11:33< shadowmaster> 'twas the bad idea
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20110328 05:14:42< shadowmaster> Espreon: okay, you can replace me in your translation credits
20110328 05:15:07< Espreon> Yes, once I generate some transliterations.
20110328 05:15:48< Espreon> shadowmaster: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/OldEnglishTranslation ... You've been in here for a bit.
20110328 05:16:14< shadowmaster> s/replace/remove/
20110328 05:16:26< shadowmaster> I'm not taking part in this foolish Python lark.
20110328 05:16:45< Espreon> Ah.
20110328 05:18:02< Espreon> Done.
20110328 05:18:27< shadowmaster> :(
20110328 05:18:38< Espreon> Sorry...
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20110328 05:23:32< Espreon> AI0867: Does it not touch Pango, help, and man markup?
20110328 05:29:53<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: ai0867 * r9098 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/anglat2futhorc.py: Make printf-style interpolation work
20110328 05:31:11< AI0867> Espreon: it's nowhere near that point yet
20110328 05:31:33< AI0867> r9097 copied the features of the perl version
20110328 05:31:42< AI0867> r9098 makes it avoid %d like stuff
20110328 05:32:15< AI0867> pango and such shouldn't be in translatable strings to begin with...
20110328 05:32:59< AI0867> shadowmaster: I had more trouble wrestling with perl than with the actual problem
20110328 05:33:28< AI0867> after reading a page describing the unicode issues of perl I decided it would be quicker to just rewrite it in python
20110328 05:34:06< Espreon> Well, some scripts don't have italics and shit.
20110328 05:34:12< Espreon> So.. yeah.
20110328 05:34:33< Espreon> Perl... Unicode problems?
20110328 05:34:45< Espreon> Oh noez!
20110328 05:34:59< shadowmaster> AI0867: I should note that there's lots of outdated literature on the subject
20110328 05:37:43< shadowmaster> in other news, CIA bot, which is written in friggin' Python, does not like Hiragana
20110328 05:38:08< shadowmaster> I'll ask shikadibot, which is written in friggin' Perl, what she thinks about this issue
20110328 05:38:14< shadowmaster> shikadibot: log HEAD
20110328 05:38:17<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 9099 (shikadilord) on Mon Mar 28 03:37:08 2011:
20110328 05:38:21<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: anglat2futhroc: さよなら 
20110328 05:38:22<+shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev?view=rev&revision=9099
20110328 05:38:40< Espreon> shadowmaster: NO! さようなら。。。
20110328 05:39:05< shadowmaster> Espreon: you are noty focusing on the point
20110328 05:39:24< Espreon> There is an actual difference.
20110328 05:39:31< Espreon> You see, Japanese has this thing called gemination...
20110328 05:39:33< shadowmaster> Espreon: tell me about it in ##shadowm
20110328 05:39:41< shadowmaster> back to the POINT though
20110328 05:40:04< shadowmaster> CIAA bot: Python
20110328 05:40:14< shadowmaster> Rei 2 IRC Bot: Perl
20110328 05:40:21< shadowmaster> CIA bot: hates Unicode
20110328 05:40:30< shadowmaster> Rei 2 IRC Bot: uses Unicode*
20110328 05:40:37< shadowmaster> (* probably in an unsafe manner, but whatever)
20110328 05:40:57< shadowmaster> Rei2: q shadowmaster -4 @ CIA-44 
20110328 05:40:59<+Rei2> CIA-44: <shadowmaster> あんたばか？
20110328 05:53:11< AI0867> right
20110328 05:54:05< AI0867> anyway, I'm willing to wrestle some perl to write some code, but if I run into unicode issues, I prefer to deal with them in a language where I know how to do that properly
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20110328 06:46:11<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9100 /trunk/After_the_Storm/maps/09_The_Triad_part_2.map: AtS 9 part 2: develop the map further
20110328 07:16:33<+CIA-44> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r9101 /trunk/After_the_Storm/masks/09_The_Triad_part_2_1.mask: AtS 9 part 2: add terrain mask
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20110328 19:44:24< AI0867> Espreon: ^
20110328 19:44:32< AI0867> pango is still on my todo list
20110328 19:44:38< AI0867> but go test that first
20110328 19:53:35< AI0867> the manual stuff will be horrible...
20110328 19:53:54< AI0867> I'll need to actually check for 'text='
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