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20110315 23:15:15< dougmencken> which rendered is used in 1.9.4? /me prays: please, not opengl
20110315 23:15:21< dougmencken> renderer*
20110315 23:16:12< shadowmaster> Direct3D, using this nifty Linux implementation we got from Microsoft.
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20110315 23:16:26 * shadowmaster checks calendar. (oman, it's not April 1st yet.)
20110315 23:17:00< shadowmaster> I am pretty sure that when we implement a new renderer we'll put a large note about it in the release announcement.
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20110315 23:17:24< shadowmaster> which, btw, is always a good idea to check when you are about to download a new version.
20110315 23:17:57< dougmencken> I can't download, you don't provide linux-powerpc-glibc binaries
20110315 23:18:12< dougmencken> only building building building ;)
20110315 23:18:50< oldtopman> There is a new version?
20110315 23:18:52< shadowmaster> I am pretty sure you downloaded the source code or a package containing it in order to build it.
20110315 23:19:02< shadowmaster> that counts as "download".
20110315 23:19:11< dougmencken> ah ok
20110315 23:19:37< dougmencken> but it's really some new rendering engine/stuff
20110315 23:19:41< shadowmaster> oldtopman: 1.9.4 and 1.8.5 still.
20110315 23:19:44< shadowmaster> nothing new for the last few weeks.
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20110315 23:38:59< oldtopman> dang
20110315 23:39:39< dougmencken> do you test wesnoth on machines with non-2d accelerated videocards?
20110315 23:40:18< dougmencken> i.e. $ glxinfo | grep -i "Renderer" --> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer ONLY?
20110315 23:41:03< dougmencken> it was good with 1.8.x, now it's like 0.01 fps
20110315 23:41:25< dougmencken> regression?
20110315 23:41:29< fendrin> dougmencken: non-2d accelerated videocards? A computer that has a bus system that would hold a non-2d accelerated video card would not be able to run wesnoth.
20110315 23:41:57< fendrin> dougmencken: 2d-acceleration was introduced during mid 90s.
20110315 23:42:03< dougmencken> fendrin: before it was okay; and not all videcards got support in free linux kernels
20110315 23:42:15< dougmencken> fendrin: no proprietary drivers
20110315 23:42:31< fendrin> dougmencken: So you talk about framebuffer driver driven setups?
20110315 23:43:07< dougmencken> yeah, on framebuffer-powered x.org I was happy before the last version I built
20110315 23:43:43< dougmencken> what you did with wesnoth? added a "cube-desktop with flames" effects?
20110315 23:43:49< fendrin> I guess you suffer from the animated terrain.
20110315 23:43:57< fendrin> I think there is an option to turn it off.
20110315 23:44:19< dougmencken> fendrin: may I turn it off at compile stage to not to even bother with it
20110315 23:44:49< fendrin> No, I believe that is not possible.
20110315 23:44:50< dougmencken> well, you ditched autotools build system, so I can't even ./configure --help now
20110315 23:44:58< fendrin> scons --help
20110315 23:45:23< dougmencken> scons? oh, isn't cmake enough for me? at least for now? stresses... stresses...
20110315 23:45:37< fendrin> Yes, cmake is fine as well.
20110315 23:45:48< fendrin> I just don't know how to ask cmake about the options.
20110315 23:45:55< dougmencken> fendrin: how to get /usr package, not /usr/local with cmake?
20110315 23:46:12< fendrin> Sorry, no idea.
20110315 23:46:25< dougmencken> fendrin: well, yes :) I know
20110315 23:46:34< fendrin> I use cmake as well but only for generating an eclipse project when I start hacking the engine.
20110315 23:47:21< dougmencken> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ./ # also, make accepts DESTDIR with install target even with cmake, cool
20110315 23:47:56< dougmencken> ^^^^^^^ but it requires googling! autotools were cool
20110315 23:48:00< fendrin> But I am pretty sure that there is no compile option to disable the animations.
20110315 23:48:08< Espreon> dougmencken: cmake -i ... is awesome.
20110315 23:48:16< dougmencken> fendrin: maybe some patches?
20110315 23:48:44< fendrin> What is wrong with the preferences option to turn the animations off?
20110315 23:49:21< dougmencken> fendrin: okay, I'll try it, now ;) I'll share the experience, okay
20110315 23:49:28< fendrin> Having another option in the compile process would most certainly mean that there is another preprocessor symbol introduced. 
20110315 23:49:34< fendrin> That is hard to maintain.
20110315 23:49:43< dougmencken> fendrin: that's why autools rulez!
20110315 23:49:49< fendrin> No.
20110315 23:49:57< fendrin> Autotools does not change the situation.
20110315 23:50:26< fendrin> You need to have two code pathes guarded with a preprocessor symbol. No matter what compile system you use.
20110315 23:50:28< dougmencken> fendrin: which situation? autotools can easily handle any definitions you live to expose
20110315 23:50:42< fendrin> It is bad for the code.
20110315 23:50:54< dougmencken> fendrin: for windows code? maybe ;)
20110315 23:51:01< Espreon> ...
20110315 23:51:24< fendrin> *seufz*
20110315 23:53:11< dougmencken> "Show haloing effects"?
20110315 23:53:27< dougmencken> or is it in "Advanced"?
20110315 23:54:08< dougmencken> if it's in advances, I'll blame you :)
20110315 23:54:16< dougmencken> s/ces/ced/
20110315 23:54:24< VurtualRuler98> This is so complex aaagh
20110315 23:54:46< dougmencken> VurtualRuler98: is it at least documented?
20110315 23:54:53< dougmencken> aaaghing guy
20110315 23:55:10< VurtualRuler98> Can I make a "Haloing: Compiling Evolved" joke at least?
20110315 23:55:47< dougmencken> VurtualRuler98: if you are the dev, you can make anything, even making wesnoth to be buildable only on windows boxes
20110315 23:56:19< VurtualRuler98> Yeah uh
20110315 23:56:20< VurtualRuler98> what
20110315 23:56:40< dougmencken> even making so nice circlish animation which makes cpu to be 4.0 avg loaded
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20110315 23:57:25< dougmencken> music is still perfect
20110315 23:58:18< VurtualRuler98> I think... it's one of those people deep from Opensourcfrica, isn't it? Does anyone here speak their archaic tongue?
20110315 23:58:26 * dougmencken still can't find the option for turning animation off
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20110315 23:59:42< VurtualRuler98> Display has-hmm
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