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20110325 08:35:33< atomicbomb__> Hi Guys. WML question : I have used a tunnel tag to create a "tunnel" is there a way to delete the "tunnel"?
20110325 08:36:36< Espreon> atomicbomb__: Use the remove= key.
20110325 08:37:02< atomicbomb__> thanks.
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20110325 09:15:02< Artifex> Hello?
20110325 09:15:08< Espreon> Yes?
20110325 09:15:20< Artifex> Hi
20110325 09:15:32< Artifex> I was recommended this room by a friend
20110325 09:15:47< Artifex> He said that Wesnoth was open-source and that there's different translators
20110325 09:16:02< Espreon> Yes.
20110325 09:16:12< Artifex> We were talking and he said I should try to do a translation into Klingon.
20110325 09:16:34< Artifex> What exactly would such a translation entail? Would any knowledge of programming be needed?
20110325 09:16:40< Espreon> No.
20110325 09:17:01< Espreon> We just need a lang code and it can be done.
20110325 09:17:07< Espreon> I can look that up.
20110325 09:17:15 * zookeeper wonders if Artifex frequented ircnet some >5 years ago
20110325 09:17:17< Artifex> Cool.
20110325 09:17:29 * Artifex informs zookeeper that he did not.
20110325 09:17:39< zookeeper> all right, nevermind then
20110325 09:17:47< Artifex> Somebody else used this nick?
20110325 09:17:49< zookeeper> yeah
20110325 09:17:52< Artifex> Ah
20110325 09:17:54< Espreon> Artifex: "tlh"
20110325 09:17:59< Artifex> That's what I thought.
20110325 09:18:00< Espreon> What's grammatical number like?
20110325 09:18:04< Artifex> In Klingon?
20110325 09:18:08< Espreon> Yeah.
20110325 09:18:24< Artifex> There's singular and there's plural, though the latter usually doesn't explicitly need to be marked on the noun, as the verbal prefix often takes care of that.
20110325 09:18:54< Espreon> So, just one and few?
20110325 09:19:00< Artifex> One and more than one.
20110325 09:19:23< Espreon> OK.
20110325 09:20:09< Espreon> Artifex: Just make a locale file and talk to Ivanovic.
20110325 09:20:18< Espreon> Artifex: Look in data/languages
20110325 09:20:59< Artifex> I'm on a Mac. Would that be packaged in the application?
20110325 09:21:01< Artifex> Or is it online?
20110325 09:21:26< Espreon> Application.
20110325 09:21:28< Artifex> OK.
20110325 09:25:19< Espreon> Artifex: If you can't find them, I'll just point you to an example.
20110325 09:25:49< Artifex> Oh, sorry for my absence.
20110325 09:26:02< Artifex> I'm reading one of the tutorials.
20110325 09:26:17< Espreon> I see.
20110325 09:26:18< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Mac_OS_X  it's not really too hard to locate the file in question keeping this in mind
20110325 09:26:53< Artifex> It's 3:30 AM here (well, a few minutes away)
20110325 09:27:11< Espreon> 4:27 AM here.
20110325 09:27:27< Artifex> I wasn't planning on starting it immediately, but rather over the weekend, once I'm done with my classes.
20110325 09:27:40< Espreon> That's fine.
20110325 09:27:42< Artifex> Cool.
20110325 09:27:57< Espreon> As soon as Ivanovic gets here, he can generate your po files.
20110325 09:28:32< Artifex> po files?
20110325 09:28:55< shadowmaster> translation catalogues
20110325 09:29:01< Artifex> Ah.
20110325 09:29:58< Artifex> The romanization for Klingon is case-sensitive; will this prove problematic?
20110325 09:31:05< shadowmaster> source string matching is also case-sensitive, so the translation for "Foo" won't be used for "foo", if that's what you mean
20110325 09:31:25< Artifex> OK.
20110325 09:31:34< Artifex> In Klingon, <q> and <Q> represent different sounds.
20110325 09:31:44< VurtualRuler98> klingon
20110325 09:31:59< Artifex> That's one of the beefs I've had with Okrand's transcription, but that's how he did it
20110325 09:32:14< Artifex> Yes.
20110325 09:32:14< VurtualRuler98> You have shattered my suspension of disbelief for IRC itself.
20110325 09:32:14< Artifex> Eames!
20110325 09:32:14< Artifex> Gimme the kick!
20110325 09:33:01< atomicbomb__> isn't klingon one of language of race in Star Trek?
20110325 09:33:01< Artifex> Yes.
20110325 09:33:01< Artifex> It is.
20110325 09:33:01< atomicbomb__> =="
20110325 09:33:10< atomicbomb__> LOL
20110325 09:33:27< shadowmaster> Artifex: I warn you, before beginning, that mainline Wesnoth 14,200 strings in total
20110325 09:33:27< shadowmaster> *Wesnoth has
20110325 09:33:33< shadowmaster> *Wesnoth has nearly
20110325 09:33:35< VurtualRuler98> Yeah but if you screw up, nobody here is genuinely nerdy enoguh to notice.
20110325 09:33:48< Artifex> lol
20110325 09:33:52< Artifex> OK.
20110325 09:33:55< atomicbomb__> Artifex: do you really can speak klingon?
20110325 09:34:08< Artifex> Somewhat. I'm much better at writing it.
20110325 09:34:10< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: it was more regarding the possibility of a translation being abandoned before beginning.
20110325 09:34:17< shadowmaster> like the Macedonian translation.
20110325 09:35:21< Artifex> I may be more than a bit slow finishing out the translation, as my university studies are in the post-spring-break snowball.
20110325 09:35:53< shadowmaster> I want some fruit macedonia
20110325 09:35:56< shadowmaster> now
20110325 09:35:57< Artifex> However…it would be rather awesome.
20110325 09:37:33< atomicbomb__> :Artifex do you study here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_Language_Institute
20110325 09:37:37< VurtualRuler98> Klingon is too silly.
20110325 09:37:40< VurtualRuler98> Translate it to basic.
20110325 09:37:48< atomicbomb__> LOL
20110325 09:37:53< Artifex> I'm mostly looking out of the books at this point, atomicbomb_
20110325 09:37:56< VurtualRuler98> I have an aurebesh font, that might help.
20110325 09:38:16< Artifex> However, the KLI does have a list of additional canon words.
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20110325 09:38:43< Artifex> With it, I was able to create a Klingon phrase for MF'er.
20110325 09:38:58< atomicbomb__> :Artifex a joke : next time maybe an elf translator will come. :)
20110325 09:39:13< Artifex> Tengwar, Sindarin, or Noldorin?
20110325 09:39:31< atomicbomb__> yes
20110325 09:39:31< Artifex> (Tengwar was the writing system but w/e :P)
20110325 09:39:36< Espreon> atomicbomb__: Well, fendrin wanted to do one of those.
20110325 09:39:44< Artifex> lol
20110325 09:39:56< Artifex> How long are these 14,200-odd strings?
20110325 09:39:59< atomicbomb__> fendrin must be crazy
20110325 09:40:07< Artifex> Fendrin must be awesome
20110325 09:40:13< Artifex> I'd like to learn Tolkien's langs
20110325 09:40:14< shadowmaster> Artifex: some are at least 4 paragraphs long
20110325 09:40:17< Artifex> He helped inspire me to conlang myself
20110325 09:40:25< shadowmaster> *some*, anyway
20110325 09:40:29< Artifex> Hmm. A challenge.
20110325 09:41:00< Espreon> Artifex: I doubt he knows it. Anyway, it varies.
20110325 09:46:43< Artifex> Thank you!
20110325 09:46:45< Artifex> I must be off.
20110325 09:46:49< Artifex> Good night.
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20110325 09:50:11< atomicbomb__> Need Help With WML again : I used tunnel tag inside event tag, now the game said that it is an invalid WML.. is this a bug?
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20110325 09:50:53< Espreon> Yeah.
20110325 09:51:01< atomicbomb__> so?
20110325 09:51:13< atomicbomb__> why you did not tell me?
20110325 09:51:20< atomicbomb__> aaargh
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20110325 09:51:31< Espreon> Because it's the first I've heard of it.
20110325 09:51:42< atomicbomb__> =="
20110325 09:52:03< atomicbomb__> no typos, already checked, and tunnel tag is DA WML
20110325 09:52:11< atomicbomb__> A BUG
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20110325 09:53:06< Espreon> atomicbomb__: Out of curiosity, which version are you using?
20110325 09:53:23< atomicbomb__> 1.9.4
20110325 09:53:31< atomicbomb__> then?
20110325 09:53:59< atomicbomb__> wanna see the code?
20110325 09:54:21< Espreon> Ah, I just remembered, [tunnel] isn't in 1.9.4.
20110325 09:54:46< atomicbomb__> wut?
20110325 09:54:54< atomicbomb__> in trunk?
20110325 09:55:09< Espreon> It is indeed in trunk.
20110325 09:55:24< atomicbomb__> K.
20110325 09:55:47< atomicbomb__> The Wiki lied to me!
20110325 09:56:01< Espreon> Oh noez...
20110325 09:56:35< atomicbomb__> [tunnel] 
20110325 09:56:36< atomicbomb__> (Version 1.9 and later only) 
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20110325 09:57:20< atomicbomb__> *cry* I thought wiki is my friend
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20110325 10:25:03< Ivanovic> moin
20110325 10:29:33< Soul_keeper> hey
20110325 10:30:23< atomicbomb__> :Soul_keeper hey
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20110325 16:05:18< Redshrike> 'ello everyone
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20110325 18:47:23< Gambit> OMG. Spearman idle anims?
20110325 18:47:25< Gambit> Yessss.
20110325 18:50:35< zookeeper> the ones which have been in for six months?
20110325 18:53:43< Gambit> This is my first serious adventure back into Wesnoth UMC for a long while.
20110325 18:53:59< Gambit> And the last one wasn't with trunk.
20110325 18:55:18< Gambit> So yeah I guess I am pretty behind.
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20110325 19:01:35< Gambit> Animated lava too. ♥
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20110325 19:17:59< Crendgrim> the TGT Finals Game 2 between RNG and North&South just started on Server 2 - in case anyone of you forgot about it
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20110325 21:35:34< Artifex> Is Jetrel on?
20110325 21:36:44< Gambit> Artifex: Yes.
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20110325 21:36:52< Artifex> Are you he?
20110325 21:37:01< Gambit> No.
20110325 21:37:25< Gambit> He's hanging out in #frogatto
20110325 21:37:35< Gambit> You could also query him.
20110325 21:38:14< Artifex> I'm almost done with the localized logo.
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20110325 22:00:21< enchilado> Morning all. I have an idea for a campaign and I'm unsure how I should go about fitting it into the Wesnoth storyline. Reading a page about the History of Wesnoth, I discovered there doesn't appear to be much on the second civil war, after the Silver Age.
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20110325 22:01:06< enchilado> However, a couple of hundred years later, humans are involved in the legacy of Karun Black-Eye
20110325 22:01:56< enchilado> Does that campaign discuss anything to do with what happened during and after the second civil war?
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20110325 22:11:19< enchilado> Hm, I guess I'll post a thread on the forums.
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