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20110329 02:24:31< Gambit> wesbot: seen Rugrast?
20110329 02:24:31< wesbot> Gambit: Sorry, I don't know of Rugrast.
20110329 02:24:34< Gambit> Hmmm
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20110329 03:27:00< hulavuta> wesbot: seen me?
20110329 03:27:00< wesbot> hulavuta: Person, who 42d 5h ago used nick me, last spoke 44d 2h ago.  40d 16h ago as Sirp they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: ...
20110329 03:27:06< hulavuta> oh lawd
20110329 03:27:13< hulavuta> wesbot: seen Hulavuta
20110329 03:27:13< wesbot> hulavuta: You are hulavuta!
20110329 03:27:17< hulavuta> oh I didn't know
20110329 03:27:30< hulavuta> wesbot: seen Me?
20110329 03:27:30< wesbot> hulavuta: Person, who 42d 5h ago used nick me, last spoke 44d 2h ago.  40d 16h ago as Sirp they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: ...
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20110329 05:26:05< ancestral> shadowmaster: No op here, eh?
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20110329 05:26:25< shadowmaster> um?
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20110329 05:27:09< Aethaeryn> ancestral: well, you could test it out and see
20110329 05:27:10< Aethaeryn> ;-)
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20110329 05:28:10< ancestral> Who grants op powers?
20110329 05:28:55< Aethaeryn> Unlike most networks, Freenode standards essentially have covert ops
20110329 05:29:02< Aethaeryn> who only op when necessary
20110329 05:29:14< shadowmaster> It's freenode, by the way. With a lowercase 'f'.
20110329 05:30:43< Aethaeryn> Next thing you'll tell me is that your name isn't really Shadowmaster, but rather shadowmaster 
20110329 05:30:53-!- shadowmaster is now known as Shadowmaster
20110329 05:31:04< Aethaeryn> Well, I'd like to see your birth certificate that says shadowmaster without the capitalization!
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20110329 05:31:26< aethaeryn> :o
20110329 05:31:34< aethaeryn> Most (some?) networks don't allow just switching case.
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20110329 05:38:36< Aethaeryn> eh, I guess it's just some
20110329 05:43:47< ancestral> Is ChanServ hiding?
20110329 05:45:11< Aethaeryn> Perhaps he's 20QAAD3UV or 92AACOR13 
20110329 05:45:41< Aethaeryn> hmm
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20110329 06:15:33< Aethaeryn> and the winner is... 20QAAD3UV 
20110329 06:18:08< ancestral> Cool
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20110329 10:01:34< Ivanovic> moin
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20110329 14:17:50< KB1PKL> What is the scripting language used in Wesnoth? I see a Python API, or at least mention of it, and I thought I saw something about Lua somewhere.
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20110329 14:19:00< atomicbomb> We use Lua and WML to create UMCs.
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20110329 14:21:33< Crendgrim> and some tools are python scripts (such as wmlint or wmlscope)
20110329 14:22:48< KB1PKL> So is Python on the inside of the engine, and Lua+WML is on the outside for people like me to mod the game?
20110329 14:23:23< Crendgrim> the Engine itself is written in C++, in Python there are some useful scripts and WML + Lua is for UMC, yes
20110329 14:24:00< KB1PKL> "Starting from version 1.5.11 PythonAI support was removed from wesnoth." That's the line I was missing.
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20110329 14:25:21< Crendgrim> right, I was missing FormulaAI for mathematical concerns
20110329 14:25:41< Crendgrim> (and for modifying the AI, of course)
20110329 14:25:59< VurtualRuler98> Despite how awesome it sounds to a young padawan programmer, we cannot mod everything with C.
20110329 14:26:37< atomicbomb> The problem with C is.. it must be compiled first..
20110329 14:26:41< Crendgrim> VurtualRuler98: there's the jedi stuff again... :p
20110329 14:26:54< VurtualRuler98> You have any idea how hard it was for me to come up with a better term?
20110329 14:27:02< Crendgrim> :D
20110329 14:27:12< VurtualRuler98> Learner sounds too "you suck", apprentice sounds too "you suck", "charge" doesn't work, "master" would make no sense here.
20110329 14:27:39< VurtualRuler98> I had dark forces 2 open, and was about to consult a big pile of books of terms, gave up, and just said "padawan"
20110329 14:27:39 * Gambit Jedi Knight
20110329 14:27:53< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Youngling? :D
20110329 14:27:59< VurtualRuler98> apprentice works.
20110329 14:28:02< Crendgrim> urghs.
20110329 14:28:11< Gambit> lol
20110329 14:28:34< KB1PKL> If I am ever a teacher I will call my students Padawans. At least those that deserve it ;-)
20110329 14:28:53 * zookeeper hates the word
20110329 14:28:58< Gambit> Also: Dark Forces 2 is awesome fun.
20110329 14:29:00< VurtualRuler98> I will call them idiots for trying ot learn form an obsessive-compulsive nut.
20110329 14:29:06< zookeeper> why did they have to come up with stupid terminology like that? urgh.
20110329 14:29:10< VurtualRuler98> also Gambit, you can now join the rank of the lost, the people who like DFII.
20110329 14:29:17< Gambit> Glad to hear I'm not the only one who still occasionally installs it.
20110329 14:29:27< VurtualRuler98> You mean you uninstall it?
20110329 14:29:35< VurtualRuler98> There are about five of us now.
20110329 14:30:00 * Rhonda hates zookeeper
20110329 14:30:07< KB1PKL> Oh, I loved that game!
20110329 14:30:08< VurtualRuler98> Still a padawan, Rhonda?
20110329 14:30:16< VurtualRuler98> Okay, six of us. Who is the lancer?
20110329 14:30:22< Rhonda> Oh, I read world, not word.
20110329 14:30:36< zookeeper> i bet you did
20110329 14:30:39< VurtualRuler98> Still a plentary body orbiting a star, eh?
20110329 14:31:06< zookeeper> huh, df2:jk? i guess i ought to re-play that once more sometime.
20110329 14:31:23< VurtualRuler98> okay, there are seven.
20110329 14:31:42< KB1PKL> I don't have the disc anymore, it's long gone in the winds of time.
20110329 14:31:44< Gambit> That was actually my first sight of Star Wars.
20110329 14:31:44< VurtualRuler98> I'm gonna need more upspeed.
20110329 14:32:11< zookeeper> tons better than bantha poodoo like force unleashed :|
20110329 14:32:14< Gambit> I used to watch my dad play it long before I was old and patient enough to watch the movies.
20110329 14:32:16< Gambit> zookeeper: Amen.
20110329 14:32:27< Gambit> I can't believe they're giving that thing a sequel :|
20110329 14:32:29< VurtualRuler98> TFU was fun.
20110329 14:32:31< VurtualRuler98> It had multiplayer.
20110329 14:32:39< Gambit> Uhhh? What?
20110329 14:32:59< VurtualRuler98> You've never played the multiplayer in the force unleashed? The original.
20110329 14:33:02< zookeeper> i only played it on PS2 and i bet it's not much better on other platforms.
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20110329 14:33:12< KB1PKL> Selecting menu items with keyboard doesn't make satisfying click noise like clicking with a mouse does :-(. ("Who would you like to play" type menu in the tutorial)
20110329 14:33:25< VurtualRuler98> Didn't it use to have a part where you had to mash buttons to pull down a star destroyer?
20110329 14:33:58< VurtualRuler98> That got turned into a cool cutscene in the wii version.
20110329 14:34:03< VurtualRuler98> Dark Forces 2 is one of the first shooters I remember playing, as the demo. I kinda fondly remembered it and went about my way in the sequel.
20110329 14:34:13< Gambit> I am of the opinion that Lucas Arts should not spend another cent on anything until they've found someone to make BF3.
20110329 14:34:27< VurtualRuler98> Then later started up MOTS and somehow remembered my way about nearly the entirety of the first level, going "okay, there's a thing up here... yep, it's there." every ten seconds.
20110329 14:35:28< VurtualRuler98> I think mysteries of the sith had a demo, too, but I don't remember much about that. Just... eerie memory.
20110329 14:35:34< zookeeper> TFU was kinda fun during the early parts when enemies didn't require 10 slashes to kill
20110329 14:35:45< zookeeper> but the boss fights were simply horribly bad in every possible regard
20110329 14:36:36< VurtualRuler98> You mean the part where you just spammed MAXIMUM EXPLOSION?
20110329 14:36:36< zookeeper> in fact it's mostly the bosses which make the game so incredibly annoying to play
20110329 14:36:37< Gambit> Wait… VurtualRuler98: You bought TFU on the Wii?
20110329 14:36:43< VurtualRuler98> I think, yeah.
20110329 14:36:44< Gambit> No wonder. Anything is fun when you're drunk.
20110329 14:36:45< VurtualRuler98> Or someone gave it to me.
20110329 14:37:10< VurtualRuler98> I was entertained by the fact that I could senselessly carve up random things for no reason. As well as the silly plot.
20110329 14:37:49< VurtualRuler98> "Okay, so, sad story, vader's raising you to kill the emperor, and then you die, un-die, and die again, then un-die, and repeat."
20110329 14:38:00< VurtualRuler98> I hate you! Kill kill! Haha! Just Kidding!
20110329 14:38:14< Gambit> OTOH I read the Force Unleashed book, and it was actually really good.
20110329 14:39:26< VurtualRuler98> I'm still waiting for me to "discover" a star wars game that has way too many force powers to be sensible.
20110329 14:39:38 * atomicbomb wonders what's the topic here
20110329 14:39:49< VurtualRuler98> the second worst part of the star wars universe.
20110329 14:39:56< Gambit> That'd have to be after the Vong war sometime.
20110329 14:40:09< atomicbomb> I never watches star wars
20110329 14:40:15< KB1PKL> :|
20110329 14:40:24< atomicbomb> I'm serious
20110329 14:40:25< VurtualRuler98> atomicbomb, you know it's the best cult classic trilogy on the market.
20110329 14:40:29< VurtualRuler98> Open your heart, you know it to be true!
20110329 14:40:42< atomicbomb> I'll buy the DVDs!
20110329 14:40:56< VurtualRuler98> Originals.
20110329 14:41:02< atomicbomb> Okay
20110329 14:41:07< VurtualRuler98> Although the special editions weren't too bad.
20110329 14:41:09< zookeeper> atomicbomb, uh, yeah, just make sure you buy the original trilogy (4-6), not the new ones (1-3).
20110329 14:41:13< Gambit> Nah. Buy all six.
20110329 14:41:19< VurtualRuler98> 1 was kinda silly in how silly it was.
20110329 14:41:28< VurtualRuler98> 2 was equally silly, and 3 was meta-silly.
20110329 14:41:31< atomicbomb> they are $6 per original DVD piece
20110329 14:41:39< atomicbomb> so... $36
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20110329 14:41:46< atomicbomb> OMG
20110329 14:42:04< atomicbomb> There's only $25 in my pocket
20110329 14:42:04< zookeeper> well whatever you do, don't watch the new ones first
20110329 14:42:09< VurtualRuler98> atomicbomb, do some quests.
20110329 14:42:12< atomicbomb> aye
20110329 14:42:20< VurtualRuler98> You can practically replace the dialog in the prequels with anything. And it'll still be funny.
20110329 14:42:39< VurtualRuler98> wait, it wasn't supposed to be funny. Oh well!
20110329 14:42:43< VurtualRuler98> Or switch the speech of jar jar and anakin, and it'll be entertaining.
20110329 14:42:47< atomicbomb> So watch tte 4-7th first?
20110329 14:42:52< atomicbomb> *the
20110329 14:43:05< KB1PKL> 4-6, and yes.
20110329 14:43:06< Gambit> Huh?
20110329 14:43:12< atomicbomb> ah..
20110329 14:43:49< atomicbomb> They never show Star Wars in TV
20110329 14:44:03< atomicbomb> it must be strongly copyrighted
20110329 14:44:08< Gambit> It's so hilarious just how wrong this answer is: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Will_there_be_a_third_Star_Wars_trilogy
20110329 14:44:30< KB1PKL> atomicbomb: There was a starwars marathon in High-Def on Spike near Christmas.
20110329 14:44:33< VurtualRuler98> atomicbomb, I saw the trilogy on spike-
20110329 14:44:36< VurtualRuler98> ...yeah.
20110329 14:44:41< KB1PKL> It ran all-starwars for like 2 days, just repeating.
20110329 14:44:44< zookeeper> VurtualRuler98, speaking of jar jar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snoF6aVNgoU
20110329 14:44:47< VurtualRuler98> I'm surprised that Jason Court never got any cool jobs after dark forces 2.
20110329 14:44:48< KB1PKL> Looked AMAZING in high def, too!
20110329 14:45:05< Gambit> Not available :(
20110329 14:45:08< Gambit> janebot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snoF6aVNgoU
20110329 14:45:08< VurtualRuler98> The uploader has not made this video available in freedom land.
20110329 14:45:09< janebot> Gambit: title:  YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
20110329 14:45:10< VurtualRuler98> He must be interrogated.
20110329 14:45:12< atomicbomb> Gambit: you must take a look at this https://www.dropbox.com/s/37lme8rr18a4lt3
20110329 14:45:23< Gambit> I saw atomicbomb.
20110329 14:45:25< Gambit> It's creepy.
20110329 14:45:31< atomicbomb> lol
20110329 14:45:34< zookeeper> huh. okay.
20110329 14:45:38< Gambit> Also in the campaign wouldn't they need armor and stuff?
20110329 14:45:43< atomicbomb> yes
20110329 14:45:44< Gambit> So it's also impractical.
20110329 14:45:47< VurtualRuler98> who needs armor? he has a superman T-shirt.
20110329 14:45:56< atomicbomb> shadow will use magic wands
20110329 14:46:08< atomicbomb> with green moderating blast
20110329 14:46:20< atomicbomb> and orange ban-shock
20110329 14:46:32< Gambit> But he has the ban hammer.
20110329 14:47:14< atomicbomb> i think hammer doesn't suits him
20110329 14:47:28< KB1PKL> (Whoever did the art in Wesnoth is fantastic)
20110329 14:47:36< atomicbomb> Yes
20110329 14:47:47< atomicbomb> I'm very non artistic person
20110329 14:49:53< Gambit> KB1PKL: Many people.
20110329 14:50:01< Gambit> And yes they're awesome.
20110329 14:50:16< atomicbomb> Portrait directors are the most awesome
20110329 14:50:59< atomicbomb> their portraits are sooo beautiful.. i event want to marry these portraits
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20110329 15:16:51< KB1PKL> Does Wesnoth have a central plot and campaign?
20110329 15:17:31< VurtualRuler98> That's a dark, dark idea you have there.
20110329 15:17:33< VurtualRuler98> Coherency.
20110329 15:18:06< KB1PKL> An over-riding theme throughout would be neat :-)
20110329 15:18:51< zookeeper> no, not really. each campaign depicts some part of the history, but HttT is the closest there is to a "main campaign".
20110329 15:19:07< zookeeper> with TRoW as a close second, i'd say
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20110329 19:05:58< CruelC> 0hai
20110329 19:06:24< Orran> hey there
20110329 19:07:27< CruelC> Will there be B4W booter ISO available?
20110329 19:08:11< VurtualRuler98> what.
20110329 19:09:22< CruelC> booter - bootable ISO with a small Linux that only has LeafPad, Firefox and Wesnoth
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20110329 19:10:52< CruelC> Wesnoth-2.0-booter.iso
20110329 19:13:20< CruelC> for some people, it might seem a bit hard to install games on Linux - all the so.# hell, you know...
20110329 19:13:45< KB1PKL> All I did was "apt-get install wesnoth"
20110329 19:15:01< CruelC> Lucky, KB1PKL... Shared Object hell is extremely common in Linux
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20110329 19:16:32< CruelC> so, for many people, best bet is a single-game bootable Linux CD's or pen-drives.
20110329 19:17:12< KB1PKL> A simple ubuntu disk with wesnoth etc and a bunch of stuff stripped out would do, wouldn't it?
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20110329 19:17:49< KB1PKL> Mint Xfce would probably be better, it's lighter than ubuntu.
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20110329 19:18:06< Jafet> This takes my jaw to a record elevation.
20110329 19:19:06< KB1PKL> I also know almost nothing, so my opinions are probably best ignored.
20110329 19:20:37< CruelC> Puppy Linux - it can persist on a pen-drive, or keep states on HDD
20110329 19:20:51< KB1PKL> I haven't used Puppy in forever.
20110329 19:22:07< VurtualRuler98> Gotta install 'em all
20110329 19:22:15< CruelC> At least you could package Wesnoth, with all dependencies, as a .SFS for use with Puppy.
20110329 19:23:02< CruelC> then making own "booter" would be easy.
20110329 19:23:22< VurtualRuler98> I'm trying to figure out the logical reason for this though.
20110329 19:24:32< CruelC> There's always a lot of people that call Linux "bad" solely due to the difficulties they or their friends faced with it.
20110329 19:25:22< VurtualRuler98> Yeah, so if that's the issue, I suggest we apply common sense.
20110329 19:25:41< VurtualRuler98> As opposed to trying to get a game to run via USB booting an iso of a specific distro with special preperation.
20110329 19:26:31< CruelC> if running games gets troublesome so often, games should be offered as read-only root-mount packages (.SFS)
20110329 19:26:56< VurtualRuler98> That... is....
20110329 19:27:00< VurtualRuler98> Why don't we just make the game run?
20110329 19:27:12< VurtualRuler98> Cheapo method: thing doesn't work, build other thing to circumvent thing.
20110329 19:27:22< VurtualRuler98> Proper method: thing doesn't work, fix thing as directly as possible.
20110329 19:27:55< VurtualRuler98> Rather than having a scrapheap of a town with random bits supporting other bits, you have a clean, functional thing.
20110329 19:29:27< CruelC> if one is not as techy as to fix or work-around the bug, they'd probably scrap Linux. So, Wesnoth full install + libs + symlinks in a .SFS would be an "easy fix for everyone".
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20110329 19:30:21< VurtualRuler98> I don't accept that solution.
20110329 19:30:32< VurtualRuler98> For years I've always said "just know how to deal with things", and I'm not abandoning that.
20110329 19:30:51< VurtualRuler98> You don't get wealthy off of giving up and paying someone else.
20110329 19:31:06< KB1PKL> Good analogy.
20110329 19:31:49< VurtualRuler98> Not even an analogy. It's pretty much just being direct as possible.
20110329 19:31:55< CruelC> with that attitude, Linux will always be considered "OS for servers".
20110329 19:32:09< VurtualRuler98> With that attitude, presumably anyone wanting to touch a computer will know how to use one.
20110329 19:32:40< VurtualRuler98> Rather than people complaining about a bad headlight or brake light and spending hundreds to fix it, they can just stick new ones on the side and plug them in until they get around to repairing it.
20110329 19:32:43< CruelC> "Got a BSOD? sell a PC!" that?
20110329 19:33:07< VurtualRuler98> No, thing is broken, fix thing. Deal with thing, directly, make thing work again.
20110329 19:33:19< VurtualRuler98> Thing is broken, this is a problem. Make thing work again, problem go away perfectly.
20110329 19:33:27< CruelC> if you just CANNOT MASTER IT?
20110329 19:33:28< VurtualRuler98> Game not installing? Fix what's broken, make game work.
20110329 19:33:44< VurtualRuler98> There is no failure of ability, only failure of will.
20110329 19:34:06< CruelC> Game not installing? Scrap the game, find a Flash version
20110329 19:34:44< VurtualRuler98> That's not fixing things.
20110329 19:34:46< VurtualRuler98> That's giving up.
20110329 19:34:51< CruelC> OS not installing? Install the one that shipped with your hardware, and never alter anything
20110329 19:35:21< VurtualRuler98> I am amazed at the simple incapibility of people to understand a simple, direct point in favor of ranting of their personal techno-worship and prejudice.
20110329 19:35:59< joo> Wife not having sex with you? Gut her, make a headdress out of her intestines, then go back to your mother wearing the headdress and attempt to seduce her.
20110329 19:36:06< CruelC> the simple point is intact if you are a hypermind and/or are behind a huge support team in your office
20110329 19:36:44< CruelC> Wife not having sex with you? Wear iron pants forever
20110329 19:37:03< CruelC> that's it
20110329 19:37:21< CruelC> find a "quicker fix"
20110329 19:37:47< VurtualRuler98> I refuse to get married under the simple principle that marriage implies being trapped.
20110329 19:38:07< VurtualRuler98> In the chance that a significant other rejects me, and I'm really that angry about it, I can just get with someone else instead.
20110329 19:39:01< CruelC> there's always a quicker fix. If not, then you are wasteborn (which I probably am)
20110329 19:39:48< VurtualRuler98> You don't seem to understand what "fixing" means.
20110329 19:40:54< CruelC> Fixing is usually extremely hard
20110329 19:40:59< VurtualRuler98> Or how to deal with any kind of situation.
20110329 19:41:25< CruelC> if a situation is out-of-the-grid, you are wasteborn.
20110329 19:42:25< CruelC> because a true human would learn everything before even trying anything
20110329 19:42:48< CruelC> learn everything about computers before even considering to buy one.
20110329 19:42:57< VurtualRuler98> http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/071/031/original/00.jpg solution to everything.
20110329 19:43:54< CruelC> not loading
20110329 19:44:59< CruelC> so, if you can't fix it, you should have avoided getting it.
20110329 19:45:02< Gambit> What the heck did I just read?
20110329 19:45:22< Gambit> Are you accusing Wesnoth of perpetuating the myth that Linux is only for servers?
20110329 19:45:37< KB1PKL> I don't serve anything and I use it!
20110329 19:45:47< Gambit> Because we don't provide bootable isos with just bare minimum Linux + Wesnoth?
20110329 19:45:56< VurtualRuler98> No, there are three rules to dealing with things:
20110329 19:46:02< CruelC> Wesnoth should be available as a Puppy Linux SFS.
20110329 19:46:06< VurtualRuler98> 1. Do it right the first time.
20110329 19:46:14< KB1PKL> CruelC: Then make it yourself.
20110329 19:46:33< CruelC> I am not smart enough to make things work EVEN in Puppy.
20110329 19:46:44< VurtualRuler98> 2. If it's broken, fix it. Directly. 
20110329 19:46:55< VurtualRuler98> 3. There is no "can't".
20110329 19:47:08< CruelC> For me, it's just "No SFS? No game!"
20110329 19:47:22< VurtualRuler98> Go read up on how to get it working then.
20110329 19:47:27< Gambit> But you're smart enough to come and preach to us about how we're holding Linux back?
20110329 19:47:32< KB1PKL> CruelC: What distro do you use?
20110329 19:47:32< VurtualRuler98> Learn the magic of "sudo apt-get install wesnoth".
20110329 19:47:53< CruelC> KB1PKL: Puppy Linux 5.1
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20110329 19:48:10< KB1PKL> CruelC: Use something more "user-friendly"
20110329 19:48:22< CruelC> VurtualRuler98: There is always "dependency hell" around the corner.
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20110329 19:48:29< CruelC> KB1PKL: Ubuntu is a gish-pish
20110329 19:48:43< Gambit> I certainly would not want to download and burn a new iso every time Wesnoth gets updated or every time I want to try a new game. :|
20110329 19:48:47< KB1PKL> CruelC: Mint is decent-er.
20110329 19:48:54< CruelC> plus Puppy can keep persistent states even in "live boot".
20110329 19:48:57< VurtualRuler98> The average billsticking shtick here seems to be "Random minor comment, random other minor comment, random stupid statement to get us on the same side, complaint that makes self target of statement."
20110329 19:49:02< VurtualRuler98> It never works bro.
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20110329 19:50:57< CruelC> Linux has only 2 ways of getting more market share:
20110329 19:50:57< CruelC> Attract more users by having .SFS packages of newest games,
20110329 19:50:57< CruelC> OR downfall of X86.
20110329 19:51:18< VurtualRuler98> Wrongomundu, buddy.
20110329 19:51:19< KB1PKL> CruelC: Does an .SFS run on Ubuntu?
20110329 19:51:33< KB1PKL> Because if it doesn't, the largest share of people who would play a game on Linux can't use it.
20110329 19:51:38< KB1PKL> (Usually)
20110329 19:52:10< VurtualRuler98> Your average person has the common sense and aptitude to google things when they don't work.
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20110329 19:52:47< CruelC> KB1PKL: With an "installed" Ubuntu, SFS can be just "extracted to root"
20110329 19:52:57< Gambit> [13:50:58] <CruelC> Linux has only 2 ways of getting more market share:
20110329 19:52:57< Gambit> [13:50:58] <CruelC> Attract more users by having .SFS packages of newest games,
20110329 19:52:57< Gambit> [13:50:58] <CruelC> OR downfall of X86.
20110329 19:53:00< Gambit> ^^^ patently false
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20110329 19:53:05< Gambit> Okay this guy's a troll.
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20110329 19:53:07< Gambit> I'm done.
20110329 19:53:27< VurtualRuler98> How about we fix this situation?
20110329 19:53:30< VurtualRuler98> Get the rifle!
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20110329 19:53:35< CruelC> Troll? I'm always mistaken for a troll due to my mentality level.
20110329 19:53:44< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Tempting.
20110329 19:54:01< VurtualRuler98> Mentality level of "barely functioning"?
20110329 19:54:12< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Now now. Don't stoop.
20110329 19:54:15< Crendgrim> I hope you don't mind ... what is "SFS"?
20110329 19:54:19< CruelC> of "far below any human"
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20110329 19:54:23< VurtualRuler98> I don't stoop.
20110329 19:54:26< VurtualRuler98> I dropkick.
20110329 19:54:42< CruelC> Crendgrim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SquashFS
20110329 19:55:12< CruelC> LZMA-based read-only filesystem
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20110329 19:55:21< Crendgrim> I don't really see the positive aspects of such a filesystem for games...
20110329 19:55:21< CruelC> |___|
20110329 19:55:43< VurtualRuler98> I think I might have to pull a Deadpool and declare "My common sense is tingling!" whenever I use simple reasoning.
20110329 19:56:00< CruelC> Crendgrim: the filesystem is mounted into UnionFS as a "layer"
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20110329 19:56:23< Gambit> Crendgrim: Yeah. Rebooting to switch applications seems like a step back to me.
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20110329 19:56:54< Gambit> Oh nevermind. You mount/unmount them.
20110329 19:57:15< CruelC> You don't reboot to switch unless you have HEAPS of SFS's (over 20)
20110329 19:57:24< Crendgrim> mounting/unmounting is way more complicated that simply calling a game by it's application name...
20110329 19:57:37< Crendgrim> what didn't I get here?
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20110329 19:57:43< VurtualRuler98> More functional than an iPad.
20110329 19:57:48< CruelC> Crendgrim: SFS - with Puppy Linux
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20110329 19:57:53< Gambit> lol
20110329 19:58:01< Gambit> Poor joo.
20110329 19:58:17< joo_> Sorry. I am testing a script.
20110329 19:58:23< joo_> I've disabled channel entry for now.
20110329 19:58:57< Crendgrim> CruelC: And what's better about that in comparison of using a native linux installation?
20110329 19:59:35< CruelC> Crendgrim: I have U810 on my HDD, but it's malfunctioning - permission poop
20110329 19:59:49< CruelC> it won't even let me install anything or add a repo
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20110329 19:59:54< Gambit> Linux didn't get my market share with this weirdness. It got it by actually proving itself to be faster and easier to use than Windows.
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20110329 20:00:53< CruelC> after all, Puppy's "core SFS" can be modified to be Mint or anything
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20110329 20:02:50< AI0867> wtf people
20110329 20:02:50< CruelC> http://puppylinux.org
20110329 20:02:51< CruelC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS
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20110329 20:03:02< Crendgrim> (what does U810 mean? Ubuntu 8.10?)
20110329 20:03:04< VurtualRuler98> The issue is the OS, reinstall the OS.
20110329 20:03:14< VurtualRuler98> OS lacks reliable function, either rewrite it, or switch to a better one.
20110329 20:03:22< CruelC> Crendgrim: yes, Ubuntu 8.10
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20110329 20:03:54< KB1PKL> Why would you use a three-year-old piece of OS. Especially one that moves fast.
20110329 20:03:59< KB1PKL> (Relatively)
20110329 20:04:02< Crendgrim> CruelC: Why don't you write it then? And why don't you use 10?
20110329 20:04:23< KB1PKL> I maintain my position that Mint is better.
20110329 20:04:36< KB1PKL> "better", heh.
20110329 20:04:40< CruelC> Crendgrim: I fear that Grub of 104 will screw up my Win32
20110329 20:05:04< Gambit> It didn't here.
20110329 20:05:19< Crendgrim> CruelC: Please, please, please ... stop messing up "10.04" with "104" ... that are two *completely* different things...
20110329 20:05:28< Gambit> It didn't find it automatically, but it was easy enough to tell it where it was.
20110329 20:05:53< KB1PKL> Mint just knew that I had Windows on my machine. And then I blew it away and all was good.
20110329 20:06:04< Crendgrim> KB1PKL: :)
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20110329 20:06:14< CruelC> if I try to override 810 GRUB may be scr3w3d :(
20110329 20:06:24< hulavuta> That sounds terrible
20110329 20:06:45< KB1PKL> You should switch to a rolling-release distro then.
20110329 20:06:48< Crendgrim> it sounds like "810 GRUBs may be screwed"...
20110329 20:06:55< hulavuta> That sounds terrible
20110329 20:06:58< VurtualRuler98> Those poor larvae.
20110329 20:06:59< Gambit> CruelC: I hate to be this patronizing, but…
20110329 20:07:03< Gambit> regarding [13:59:35] <CruelC> Crendgrim: I have U810 on my HDD, but it's malfunctioning - permission poop
20110329 20:07:03< Gambit> [13:59:49] <CruelC> it won't even let me install anything or add a repo
20110329 20:07:07< Gambit> Did you try… sudo?
20110329 20:07:09< Gambit> :$
20110329 20:07:12< hulavuta> lol
20110329 20:07:17< VurtualRuler98> SOO-DOO.
20110329 20:07:17< Crendgrim> lol
20110329 20:07:19< hulavuta> I see what you did there.
20110329 20:07:32< VurtualRuler98> Unless you're everybody else and say sue-dough.
20110329 20:07:46< CruelC> Gambit: I did try sudo, but thing didn't work
20110329 20:08:07< Crendgrim> VurtualRuler98: "saddo" :p
20110329 20:08:09< KB1PKL> I don't sue dough.
20110329 20:08:20< CruelC> never joke
20110329 20:08:20< VurtualRuler98> I'm suing your dough, bro.
20110329 20:08:25< CruelC> learn not to joke
20110329 20:08:35< VurtualRuler98> Senses of humor will RUIN YOUR LIVES, people!
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20110329 20:08:48< AI0867> you're going to need to be a bit more specific
20110329 20:09:01< hulavuta> VurtualRuler98: lol
20110329 20:09:05< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHavingFunGuys
20110329 20:09:06< CruelC> Typical "permission poop"
20110329 20:09:09< hulavuta> VurtualRuler98: I can relate XD
20110329 20:09:14< AI0867> "it doesn't work" is the single most annoying and useless phrased ever used with regard to computers
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20110329 20:09:24< Gambit> :|
20110329 20:09:25< Crendgrim> AI0867: why? He already said that sudo didn't work for him on 810 Ubuntus...
20110329 20:09:49< VurtualRuler98> There's an error! Error!
20110329 20:09:53< VurtualRuler98> What kind of error!?
20110329 20:09:56< VurtualRuler98> The error kind! Now help!
20110329 20:10:07< CruelC> Ubuntu 810 probably wrote session permits for the "live user" into the installation
20110329 20:11:09< KB1PKL> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
20110329 20:11:22< KB1PKL> After you change sources.list to reflect the new version's repositories.
20110329 20:11:34< Crendgrim> CruelC: "8.10", not "810".. please.
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20110329 20:11:45< KB1PKL> Upgrade in-place.
20110329 20:11:47< CruelC> KB1PKL: I tried to add a local repo
20110329 20:12:10< KB1PKL> CruelC: A what?
20110329 20:12:12< Crendgrim> It's also not "Wesnoth 185", but "1.8.5" ... why is this that complicated?
20110329 20:12:28< CruelC> but it said permission broken. Even in SUDO
20110329 20:13:05< KB1PKL> You probably have a virus.
20110329 20:13:13< Gambit> lulwot?
20110329 20:13:35< CruelC> Plus I have no CD to burn u10.4 on, and my pen-drive is used for Puppy Linux
20110329 20:13:43< Crendgrim> CruelC: Just do what AI0867 said. Give more information..
20110329 20:13:49< Crendgrim> CruelC: you're getting closer!
20110329 20:14:16< Crendgrim> CruelC: However, IIRC the version isn't "10.4" but "10.04"...
20110329 20:14:34< Crendgrim> (there may also have been a 10.4, but it's probably not the version you're heading for)
20110329 20:14:47 * Gambit is beginning to look forward to 11.04
20110329 20:14:51< CruelC> they call it "04", but 10.4 since it's year 10, month 4"
20110329 20:15:01< Gambit> Sucks that it's on a Monday though.
20110329 20:15:55< Crendgrim> CruelC: the year.month thing is only the pattern. There is no need that they really call it this way. And they liked to call it 10.04, so it is 10.04, isn't it? ;)
20110329 20:16:15< CruelC> plus I tried booting KU10.04 off pen-drive, it did not boot at all.
20110329 20:16:49< KB1PKL> Sounds like you have deeper hardware issues than a broken Ubuntu,.
20110329 20:17:11< CruelC> off same pen-drive, Puppy boots just OK
20110329 20:17:31< CruelC> it's a CBM-1 pen-drive, 1GB
20110329 20:19:18< CruelC> USB2.0 over a five-dock (4 slots for different types of flash cards, 1 USB slot)
20110329 20:20:02< CruelC> the five-dock also gives me issues with Win7 repair CD
20110329 20:20:17< Crendgrim> I don't know how big Kubuntu is ... are you sure it fits the stick?
20110329 20:20:20< KB1PKL> x86 or x86_64
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20110329 20:20:43< AI0867> what kind of "didn't boot"
20110329 20:20:48< CruelC> Win7, Ubuntu and Puppy are all 32bit
20110329 20:21:01< KB1PKL> I don't care about the OS', I care about your processor.
20110329 20:21:19< CruelC> AI0867: Kubuntu was stuck after syslinux/isolinux/whatever menu, showing only a "boot cover" and no process data.
20110329 20:21:23< KB1PKL> Is that how your pluralize OS?
20110329 20:21:33< KB1PKL> Probably not.
20110329 20:21:44< CruelC> IDK of CPU, probably 32
20110329 20:22:10< AI0867> what kind of a computer is it?
20110329 20:22:20< AI0867> age, brand
20110329 20:22:20< hulavuta> Why did the chicken cross the Mobius Strip?
20110329 20:22:25< hulavuta> To get to the same side!
20110329 20:22:30 * hulavuta leaves
20110329 20:22:33< CruelC> 2*2.4GHZ CPU, 3*1GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4550
20110329 20:22:53< KB1PKL> CruelC: Do yourself a favor. http://goo.gl/wSDml
20110329 20:24:31< CruelC> the PHP not loading
20110329 20:24:42< CruelC> loaded just now, it was SO SLOW!
20110329 20:24:55< KB1PKL> Their servers are constantly overloaded.
20110329 20:25:01< KB1PKL> Both good and bad :-)
20110329 20:25:02< AI0867> CruelC: dual core or hyperthreading?
20110329 20:25:32< KB1PKL> Torrent is usually faster than a mirror, fyi
20110329 20:25:38< CruelC> IDK exactly, probably 2c
20110329 20:25:42< AI0867> in any case, probably 64 bit
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20110329 20:27:14< CruelC> mobo type unknown, BIOS ID unknown, BIOS frontend type - Award-like
20110329 20:28:02< CruelC> the blue one with red selection line - similar to Award BIOS
20110329 20:29:53< KB1PKL> God I haven't seen that in a long time.
20110329 20:30:07< CruelC> is Mint available in RU?
20110329 20:30:29< KB1PKL> Assuming that's a language encoding, yes.
20110329 20:31:03< CruelC> yes, RU - Russian
20110329 20:31:04< KB1PKL> You select a language during installation.
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20110329 20:31:28< CruelC> is it pre-translated or self-translated?
20110329 20:31:50< CruelC> self-translated software always gets ugly results
20110329 20:31:53< KB1PKL> Self-translated as it runs itself through a translator?
20110329 20:32:19< KB1PKL> I'm not sure about that one.
20110329 20:32:20< CruelC> Self-translated means software is localized by a translator during installation
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20110329 20:33:04< CruelC> pre-translated means the locales for all software were included
20110329 20:33:15< CruelC> Ubuntu is self-translated
20110329 20:33:26< CruelC> so using it in RU is a chop-drop
20110329 20:37:18 * Gambit wonders what these language package things are then
20110329 20:37:37< Crendgrim> Gambit: URLs from translators, what else? :)
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20110329 20:46:40< shadowm_laptop> CruelC: hi, GeorgeGhoal
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20110329 20:47:45< shadowm_laptop> haven't stopped with your delusional rants about Linux, I see, eh?
20110329 20:49:04< AI0867> yeah... I'm outta here
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20110329 20:51:10< KB1PKL> The music is great too.
20110329 20:52:35< KB1PKL> I really like this game, good job once again.
20110329 20:52:45< shadowm_laptop> :)
20110329 20:54:55< Mussious> Do you talk about music of wesnoth? Yeah, it's really great. I wonder how much of work was done to make it.
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20110329 20:55:21< Mussious> Hello, deekay
20110329 20:55:59< deekay> hi
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20110329 21:19:27< KB1PKL> I've noticed that the ship sprite on the second scenario Heir to the Throne doesn't rotate.
20110329 21:20:03< Espreon> KB1PKL: Which version are you playing?
20110329 21:21:20< KB1PKL> 1.8.5
20110329 21:21:36< KB1PKL> Is it fixed in the dev version?
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20110329 22:44:48< Espreon> KB1PKL: Although I haven't heard of such a problem in 1.8.x, facing-related things have been fixed in 1.9.x.
20110329 22:46:37< KB1PKL> Ok.
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20110329 23:25:36< Ukraneean> Is there someone here who can help me figure out why Wesnoth isn't starting? I googled the error displayed and received some unsettling results...
20110329 23:27:42< VurtualRuler98> what error?
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20110329 23:28:06< Ukraneean> 0xc0000005 I believe
20110329 23:28:14< Ukraneean> Which seems to indicate bad.
20110329 23:28:17< shadowmaster> that's a good old segmentation fault
20110329 23:28:19< joo> Ukraneean: in what context did that number appear?
20110329 23:28:30< Ukraneean> Application has failed to start error: *that numbeR*
20110329 23:28:31< shadowmaster> or access violation as Microsoft calls them
20110329 23:28:49< joo> Hmm
20110329 23:28:53< joo> Might be something to report
20110329 23:29:01< joo> What version are you running?
20110329 23:29:03< Ukraneean> Ehm... well it only recently stopped working.
20110329 23:29:16< Ukraneean> It was 1.8.4 so I figured I'd update and go to 1.8.5 and that had the same result.
20110329 23:29:22< shadowmaster> Ukraneean: did you make any configuration changes?
20110329 23:29:37< Ukraneean> I don't... think so?
20110329 23:29:38< shadowmaster> (including newly installed add-ons)
20110329 23:29:44< Ukraneean> Oh yeah maybe.
20110329 23:29:52< Ukraneean> So delete the last addons I installed?
20110329 23:30:02< shadowmaster> worth a try
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20110329 23:33:58< Ukraneean> Yeah that did not do anything. Just to make sure, I went into the addons folder and deleted basically the addon folders for the last ten addons I installed.  Did I go to the correct location?
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20110329 23:42:54< shadowmaster> Ukraneean: we don't know.
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20110329 23:43:09< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#Windows_2
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20110329 23:59:23< Ukraneean> I'm just going to talk to HP support.
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