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20110401 00:02:03< Ivanovic> Soliton: is the mp server already accepting 1.9.5?
20110401 00:02:24< boucman> ok, g'night all
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20110401 00:04:16< Espreon> elias: ... and it works.
20110401 00:05:36< elias> great :)
20110401 00:05:49< Ivanovic> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33446
20110401 00:06:55< CIA-89> ivanovic * r49084 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: cleanup release_notes and note the format that is wanted for easy copy/paste
20110401 00:07:18< shadowmaster> WOO FINALLY
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20110401 00:08:59< anonymissimus> Espreon: I want my other addons in the wesnoth UMC repository, can I send them to you via forum pm ?
20110401 00:09:09< Ivanovic> updated the frontpage, too
20110401 00:09:17< AI0867> that depens on how large they are =P
20110401 00:09:47< Espreon> anonymissimus: Meh, just email them to me.
20110401 00:10:03< anonymissimus> I'm currently the only maintainer for all 4
20110401 00:10:23< Espreon> OK.
20110401 00:10:24 * shadowmaster pokes Espreon with a pointy rod
20110401 00:10:34< shadowmaster> Espreon: doesn't anonymissimus have access already?
20110401 00:10:42-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Google Summer of Code: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas | 190 bugs, 304 feature requests, 20 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110401 00:10:52< Espreon> shadowmaster: That may be, but maybe he wants me to check them in.
20110401 00:11:12< shadowmaster> I don't see the need for email exchanges when you can just create the respective roots
20110401 00:11:47< anonymissimus> don't I need to check out the complete wesnoth UMC trunk then ?
20110401 00:12:03< anonymissimus> then I could create them as new directories
20110401 00:12:12< Espreon> Well, you could make a non-recursive checkout and just extend it...
20110401 00:12:38< anonymissimus> right
20110401 00:12:54< anonymissimus> ok thx then never mind
20110401 00:13:10< Espreon> All right.
20110401 00:13:18< shadowmaster> Espreon: ...
20110401 00:13:35< shadowmaster> "just create the respective roots"  ?
20110401 00:13:41< shadowmaster> didn't I say that
20110401 00:13:43< shadowmaster> oh wahatever, have it your way
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20110401 00:17:18< AI0867> anonymissimus: you could svn mkdir https:// ....
20110401 00:18:14< Qbunia> how i can add my page on wiki wesnoth to one of the ideas?
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20110401 00:21:06< AI0867> what do you want to do? create a page? link one?
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20110401 00:22:51< Qbunia> mm 
20110401 00:23:08< Qbunia> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeIdeas#Extend_Wesnoth.27s_Lua_AI_support_and_improve_Wesnoth.27s_AI
20110401 00:23:11< Qbunia> i want to be added here 
20110401 00:23:17< Qbunia> as one of those guys 
20110401 00:23:17< Ivanovic> Qbunia: if you use the template thingie everything should be linked automatically
20110401 00:23:47< Qbunia> hmm i used and hmm :| i dont see me here :D
20110401 00:24:22< tschmitz> Try looking at the other people's proposal pages and mimicking the templates they used
20110401 00:26:18< Qbunia> hmm
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20110401 00:29:22< Qbunia> ok it works thx ;)
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20110401 00:43:38< zaroth> Ivanovic: why delay the release if you include the sentence "Within the next seven days anyone asking when the binary for xyz will be ready will be banned and the post will be deleted." anyway?
20110401 00:43:55< zaroth> Ivanovic: I mean why delay it because of Mac OSX package ;-)
20110401 00:44:02< Ivanovic> because!
20110401 00:44:29< zaroth> oh well
20110401 00:44:30< Ivanovic> n8
20110401 00:44:44< zaroth> congrats to everybody on releasing anyway :-)
20110401 00:44:59< Ivanovic> there are other binaries than just windows and osx, too
20110401 00:45:03< Ivanovic> (eg the debian packages)
20110401 00:45:12< Ivanovic> (or the gentoo ebuilds, or the...)
20110401 00:45:13< shadowmaster> That "rule" really needs to be updated.
20110401 00:45:38< shadowmaster> It's the only user-unfriendly "rule" that is left in the forums.
20110401 00:46:17< Gambit> s/banned/kidnapped, tied to a radiator, and forced to be the new packager for that platform/;
20110401 00:46:26< shadowmaster> no
20110401 00:46:34< shadowmaster> we switched to a warning-driven system, remember
20110401 00:46:48< zaroth> Ivanovic: ok, I get the pattern. (btw, gentoo ebuilds aren't binaries ;-) )
20110401 00:46:49< shadowmaster> not even brandy-kun had an insta-ban
20110401 00:46:54< Gambit> No because we've always been on it for my tenure here.
20110401 00:47:13< shadowmaster> okay, actually, I insta-banned someone once for replying to spam
20110401 00:47:42< zaroth> is it that much of a rule violation?
20110401 00:47:50< shadowmaster> at the time, yes it was
20110401 00:47:50< zaroth> one would think that actually posting spam is worse
20110401 00:48:09< zaroth> ah, the brutal wesnoth middle ages
20110401 00:48:16< shadowmaster> it's annoying to have to clean up after other people
20110401 00:48:19< AI0867> 00:46 < shadowmaster> we switched to a warning-driven system, remember <-- the warning was in the post, wasn't it?
20110401 00:48:22< zaroth> we all got so civilized now
20110401 00:48:22< shadowmaster> for spammers I can solve it with a couple of clicks in the ACP
20110401 00:48:30< shadowmaster> for replies to spammers, no
20110401 00:48:58< shadowmaster> AI0867: I meant the board's warning system
20110401 00:49:09< shadowmaster> you know, that stuff only moderators can see
20110401 00:49:32< shadowmaster> IIRC brandy-kun received the most warnings before being banned
20110401 00:50:08< shadowmaster> ah, sadness
20110401 00:50:28< shadowmaster> he's not the only one -- the difference being that the other one has managed to escape from my boot so far
20110401 00:50:45< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/mcp.php?i=138
20110401 00:51:11< AI0867> module not accessible
20110401 00:51:18< Gambit> Oh snap
20110401 00:51:19< shadowmaster> log in :p
20110401 00:51:26< AI0867> I am logged in
20110401 00:51:37< Gambit> shadowmaster: it'd tell him the whole MCP is off limits if he weren't logged in :|
20110401 00:52:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: thanks Mr. Perfection, I was told that 10 seconds before you pointed it out again
20110401 00:52:52< AI0867> module 138 of MCP apparently needs more privileges than I have
20110401 00:53:52< shadowmaster> let me figure out whether I want to fix that or not
20110401 00:55:34 * shadowmaster shrugs
20110401 00:55:38< shadowmaster> AI0867: you should be able now
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20110401 00:56:00< shadowmaster> you and all other develoeprs
20110401 00:57:06< AI0867> yeah
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20110401 01:07:18< CIA-89> espreon * r49085 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/scenarios/08_Glory.cfg: Reworded a sentence to eliminate awkwardness.
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20110401 01:31:43< zaroth> anyone using git-svn around? (finally got it to work)
20110401 01:32:35< AI0867> me
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20110401 01:33:15< zaroth> AI0867: I got the git tarball, unpacked it and ran "git svn fetch" inside, which seems to have downloaded latest revision
20110401 01:33:25< AI0867> but not yet rebased it
20110401 01:33:27< AI0867> git svn rebase
20110401 01:33:34< zaroth> yeah, and that produces errors
20110401 01:33:37< AI0867> that makes master point to the head
20110401 01:33:41< AI0867> what kind of errors?
20110401 01:33:54< zaroth> every file produces: "utils/wxdiff: needs update"
20110401 01:34:03< zaroth> and at the end: "update-index --refresh: command returned error: 1"
20110401 01:34:09< AI0867> ah
20110401 01:34:13< AI0867> git checkout master
20110401 01:34:20< AI0867> or git reset --hard
20110401 01:34:22< AI0867> I forget which
20110401 01:34:40< zaroth> after doing git branch -l it seems I'm in the master branch
20110401 01:34:43< zaroth> so I'll try resetting
20110401 01:34:51< AI0867> zaroth: yes, but you have no files
20110401 01:35:36< zaroth> AI0867: btw, is this on wiki? for me it seems as even the address of the tarball is top-secret
20110401 01:36:18< zaroth> git reset did the trick, thanks!
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20110401 01:40:08< zaroth> AI0867: and it certainly should be on the wiki (and I can post it there)
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20110401 01:42:33< AI0867> it costs us around 2 GiB of bandwith everytime someone downloads it though
20110401 01:43:08< Soliton> Ivanovic: yes. did you announce?
20110401 01:43:45< Soliton> looks like it.
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20110401 01:52:34< zaroth> AI0867: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothSVN#Git
20110401 01:53:43< zaroth> feel free to put anything useful that comes into your head, I'm sure that many newcomers to git-svn (including me) will be happy to read some concise wesnoth-related tips about this
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20110401 01:54:44< Espreon> ...
20110401 01:56:09 * Espreon glares at zaroth
20110401 01:56:20< zaroth> Espreon: what?
20110401 01:56:34< Espreon> The tarball... was hidden for a reason.
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20110401 02:06:54< zaroth> well, I do feel stupid now...
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20110401 02:36:53< zaroth> my only excuse is that the screen got flooded by some weird IRC client error messages and I didn't see AI0867 last message.. and it certainly also means it's time for me to go to sleep.
20110401 02:36:56< zaroth> good night!
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20110401 02:46:38< melinath> so... somehow I managed to write lua that crashes wesnoth once the scenario starts - it takes up as much memory as it can. I say "somehow" because none of the code I've written seems like it should cause a memory leak like that.
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20110401 02:46:44< melinath> code is at https://gist.github.com/897547
20110401 02:48:48< melinath> is there any known bug that would cause this?
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20110401 02:54:15< melinath> (I can't find one)
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20110401 02:59:08< Espreon> melinath: Out of curiosity, which version of Wesnoth were you using?
20110401 02:59:45< melinath> Espreon: svn, sorry, I forgot to mention it.
20110401 03:00:39< melinath> once it crashes, I can't even kill it :-p
20110401 03:00:50< shadowmaster> melinath: svn trunk at what revision?
20110401 03:00:59< melinath> 49022
20110401 03:01:04< shadowmaster> and yes, I know how it feels to have a process that won't die with SIGKILL
20110401 03:01:13< melinath> I'm rebuilding from source right now
20110401 03:01:13< fendrin> What do you think about http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33094 ?
20110401 03:01:39< Gambit> I really like that idea.
20110401 03:01:50< Gambit> I don't think player's memory is a strategic gameplay element.
20110401 03:02:00 * monochromatic agrees
20110401 03:02:39< fendrin> I believe it is not that easy to code. That is the only thing about it that worries me.
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20110401 03:03:04< fendrin> hi noy_
20110401 03:03:46< fendrin> noy_: In your function as mp developer, what do you think about http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33094 ?
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20110401 03:05:34< noy> ehhhh... I don't see a real compelling reason to change it
20110401 03:06:25< noy> There are good reasons for each side.
20110401 03:06:53< noy> However I don't actually feel that making it "easier" is always better.
20110401 03:07:23< melinath> same problem with r49022
20110401 03:07:29< melinath> I'll try to narrow it down.
20110401 03:09:29< fendrin> I agree that it is not an urgent matter that must get implemented. Still it would be a nice thing to have from my point of view. I am only a casual player.
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20110401 03:17:32< melinath> sorry, meant r49085
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20110401 03:26:14< CraigH> Hello
20110401 03:26:44< Espreon> melinath: Then I guess you should file a bug report.
20110401 03:27:13< melinath> Espreon: Aye aye!
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20110401 03:32:34< CraigH> Has anyone tried to port wesnoth to android? Or Possibly working on one but needs help? That's definitley a project i could help on.
20110401 03:33:08< shadowmaster> CraigH: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=468389#p468389
20110401 03:33:21< CraigH> Thank you
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20110401 05:00:11< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: please give Alarantalara (on the forum) access to upload builds to SF, and put him on your list of people to notify - it seems he'll be taking over for me, at least for now
20110401 05:00:58< shadowm_laptop> crimson_penguin: SF.net account name?
20110401 05:01:03< shadowm_laptop> wait, I have that from RCX
20110401 05:01:10< crimson_penguin> I don't know, but he's on there
20110401 05:01:40< shadowm_laptop> it doesn't have to be the same as the forums acc for obvious reasons
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20110401 05:56:02< Espreon> Ivanovic: If you're too lazy to guess, "alarantalara" is his account name.
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20110401 05:56:24< shadowmaster> Espreon: it's not about being lazy.
20110401 05:56:33< shadowmaster> you can't "guess" in these cases.
20110401 05:56:41< Espreon> That too.
20110401 05:56:56< shadowmaster> you probably don't know, but one of the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev founders (hint hint) guessed too well and added the wrong dev to Wesnoth-UMC-Dev
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20110401 05:57:23< Espreon> Yeah...
20110401 05:57:28< shadowmaster> since you know I know guessing is not the solution, you can guess who is the founder I'm talkking about
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20110401 09:26:58< timotei> zaroth: there is already something related to git :) http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GIT-SVN
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20110401 09:53:54< zaroth> hello
20110401 09:54:15< shadowmaster> hi there
20110401 09:54:26< zaroth> timotei: no wonder I couldn't find it: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/GIT-SVN ;-)
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20110401 10:12:10< zaroth> why does it stop compiling when I initialize members in different order than they're defined in class header?
20110401 10:12:18< zaroth> this isn't default behaviour, is it?
20110401 10:12:26< zaroth> well, I guess wesnoth is forcing me to code cleanly...
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20110401 10:30:55< Ivanovic> moin
20110401 10:31:19< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: for adding him on my contact list: what is his email addy?
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20110401 11:13:37< zaroth> oh my... I just changed a few lines in mp_game_settings.hpp and now the whole wesnoth is recompiling... I get now what you meant about heavy dependancies in the code, Crab_ and shadowmaster  
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20110401 12:24:48< Nephro> morning
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20110401 12:30:36< boucman> hey all
20110401 12:30:40< Crab_> hi, boucman
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20110401 13:01:41< Nephro> Crab_, hi! I started writing a wrapper for the aspects, when I remember that there were other Lua objects, like stages... But the stage wrapper seems to be inheriting from stage, which, I suppose, has nothing to do with lua. Therefore a question: do I create an abstract lua class first or go straight to implementing an aspect wrapper?
20110401 13:02:40< Crab_> Nephro: hi
20110401 13:04:26< Crab_> template<typename T> class lua_aspect : public typesafe_aspect<T>
20110401 13:04:37< Crab_> and you'd have to implement virtual void recalculate() const = 0;
20110401 13:05:08< Crab_> and you'd have to add support for valid_lua_ to typesafe_aspect
20110401 13:05:14< Crab_> and to aspect
20110401 13:05:34< Crab_> 'template<typename T> class typesafe_aspect : public aspect' is your abstract base class
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20110401 13:06:40< Crab_> you'd also need a wrapper for lua value representation
20110401 13:06:51< Crab_> to use in the same way as value_variant is used
20110401 13:07:24< Nephro> um...ok, but I think two days ago you said that I shouldn't create a new class for that, instead I should make further branching in the typesafe one. Or I misunderstood... Anyway, haven't gone too far in that file so might as well start over
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20110401 13:13:57< Crab_> Nephro: you'd need branching as well
20110401 13:14:31< Crab_> Nephro: you need both branching in base classes, to deal with generic 'what value to use and how to transform it' stuff
20110401 13:15:03< Crab_> Nephro: plus the 'how to recalculate' logic, that we'd want to put into a separate hidden class
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20110401 13:31:26< Max20010> hi
20110401 13:31:47< Max20010> somebody here who's happy with the speed of the msvc build (fast debug)?
20110401 13:33:26< Max20010> i've got a fast machine and debugging is still painful. i could actually use the release build to debug, but it's not accurate enough for e.g. hunting down bugs (some code might not even exist)
20110401 13:34:25< Max20010> i guess it's due to iterator debugging - has anybody had a look at this? if not i'll try to see if i can improve performance post a patch later next week
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20110401 15:39:23< epyon> hmm, I wanted to post my WML -> Lua transitioning GSoC project proposal on the forums, but looking at the date it might not be a good idea after all :P
20110401 15:40:21< epyon> at least not today ^^
20110401 15:45:32< elias> heh, it's a perfect date i think :)
20110401 15:46:02< epyon> No one will take it seriously :P
20110401 15:46:22< Crab_> epyon: :))
20110401 15:46:52< epyon> I'll write it up tommorow
20110401 15:49:23< Crab_> epyon: note that 'early morning tomorrow' is still 1st april in the west coast
20110401 15:50:43< boucman> hmm
20110401 15:51:10< epyon> Crab_, no worries
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20110401 15:54:25< epyon> boucman?
20110401 15:54:35< boucman> a sec, tel
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20110401 16:08:09< boucman> I'm trying to debug an abbusive CPU usage with openMP but most of the CPU time is in a low level library routine for which I only have an address...
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20110401 16:38:30< epyon> mhmmm, it seems the transition project would solve a *lot* of open issues...
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20110401 16:55:57< pauxlo> epyon: You might first create a wiki page for your proposal.
20110401 16:56:36< epyon> pauxlo, I will. However, I was suggested to first post it on the forum
20110401 16:57:12< pauxlo> Ah, okay.
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20110401 18:30:24< tschmitz> Hey it's gabba
20110401 18:30:34< gabba> hey tschmitz
20110401 18:30:42< gabba> I saw your proposal
20110401 18:31:28< tschmitz> I am still trying to successfully compile wesnoth and get familiar with the code, but did you have any thoughts on it?
20110401 18:32:03< gabba> A few. I'm in a bit of a hurry now, but I'll mention some stuff.
20110401 18:32:35< gabba> Oh yeah :) . First, get familiar with boost smart pointers.
20110401 18:33:32< gabba> And make sure you're very comfortable with pointers in general. I used shared_pointer in particular all over my code, it's a great help but you need to understand it well.
20110401 18:33:55< tschmitz> Are they reference-counted?
20110401 18:34:05< gabba> Automatically, yes
20110401 18:34:16< tschmitz> And then the object is destroyed when reaching zero
20110401 18:34:29< tschmitz> on the reference count
20110401 18:34:35< gabba> yes, when all references are destroyed
20110401 18:35:05< tschmitz> OK so I'll keep those in mind
20110401 18:35:16< gabba> Good, so I see you have a good idea of how they work - next step is getting used to the syntax and the quirks
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20110401 18:35:59< gabba> Otherwise the proposal looks fine to me for an early draft
20110401 18:36:12< tschmitz> OK that's nice to hear
20110401 18:37:57< gabba> Interface changes are not easy to visualize well and usually don't work out as you think they will, so make sure to discuss them to death with me, Boucman, IRC, even the forums.
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20110401 18:38:16< tschmitz> OK sounds good
20110401 18:38:24< tschmitz> Hm
20110401 18:38:38< tschmitz> Regarding getting my proposal accepted ...
20110401 18:38:53< tschmitz> I'm trying to decide what I should be focusing on currently
20110401 18:38:57< tschmitz> as the proposal deadline approaches
20110401 18:39:24< tschmitz> I have done a little brainstorming, though I haven't discussed it at length with you or really anyone yet
20110401 18:39:44< tschmitz> and I have yet to familiarize myself with the existing code and start writing my own code
20110401 18:39:57< gabba> I'd say, better to ask the mentors about their criteria
20110401 18:39:58< tschmitz> As I understand it, a project timeline is desirable in a proposal
20110401 18:40:18< tschmitz> So you won't be a participating mentor?
20110401 18:40:22< gabba> But yeah, a timeline is essential to have before the proposal deadline
20110401 18:40:35< gabba> ^nope, unfortunately
20110401 18:40:46< tschmitz> Ah, all right
20110401 18:40:53< gabba> I'm guessing boucman will mentor this one if it's accepted
20110401 18:40:59< gabba> But I'll be there to help
20110401 18:41:01< tschmitz> OK
20110401 18:41:06< tschmitz> yeah the wiki page said you would be
20110401 18:41:56< gabba> Apart from the timeline, it's better to have submitted a first patch or two, maybe even gained commit access
20110401 18:42:29< tschmitz> OK, so you think having made some early contributions will increase the chance of acceptance
20110401 18:42:45< tschmitz> Is that something I can get done later than April 8?
20110401 18:42:55< AI0867> tschmitz: yes, theen we'll know that you can actually write good code
20110401 18:43:04< gabba> ^Definitely, since this way you show concretely what you can do
20110401 18:43:16< gabba> And how fast you can get aquainted with wesnoth's code :P
20110401 18:43:30< tschmitz> OK I will do my best; do you think I will have longer than a week to do that?
20110401 18:43:46< tschmitz> I.e., should I focus on the proposal for now until April 8 and then feel free to write code after that?
20110401 18:43:55< tschmitz> Or do I need to focus on both at the same time currently
20110401 18:44:33< gabba> But yeah, since you're short on time... tough call, focus on both if you can, but you really want to have a good proposal
20110401 18:45:07< gabba> You still have a bit of time to code between submitting the proposal and the mentors making their decision
20110401 18:45:19< tschmitz> Hmm, so there's no chance that any code I write after April 8 will have a bearing on my chance of being acceptance?
20110401 18:45:56< gabba> I think it does have a bearing on it, ask a mentor to make sure
20110401 18:46:02< tschmitz> s/acceptance/accepted/ (mimcking some others on here ...)
20110401 18:46:29< tschmitz> s/mimcking/mimicking/
20110401 18:46:30< gabba> I mean if the mentors haven't decided yet and you submit a wonderful patch, I doubt they'll ignore it.
20110401 18:46:41< tschmitz> Right
20110401 18:47:17< tschmitz> OK, so I'll focus on both this weekend but start with my timeline
20110401 18:47:35< gabba> good
20110401 18:47:39< tschmitz> Regarding getting acquainted with Wesnoth code,
20110401 18:47:57< tschmitz> I would probably like asking you about the overall structure
20110401 18:48:12< tschmitz> of how the whiteboard part is set up currently
20110401 18:48:32< tschmitz> whenever you have time and want to
20110401 18:48:35< tschmitz> talk about it, I suppose.
20110401 18:49:03< gabba> Well, I can tell you a bit now about the whiteboard's structure
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20110401 18:49:23< tschmitz> I have the source on my machine, but I'm on a university computer at the moment
20110401 18:49:58< gabba> It's a well-isolated piece of code that interacts with Wesnoth through a single class (I don't have the source code at hand right now either)
20110401 18:50:33< gabba> It mainly interacts with the unit map, which is where unit locations are stored
20110401 18:51:01< gabba> (actually if I remember well the unit map "owns" the units i.e. manages their pointers)
20110401 18:51:35< tschmitz> I see
20110401 18:51:47< gabba> It works by modifying the unit map so it looks like the "future" state after all planned moves are applied.
20110401 18:52:05< gabba> Then some part of the game logic happens.
20110401 18:52:29< gabba> Then the whiteboard unwinds the stack of changes in reverse order to restore the normal unit map
20110401 18:53:28< gabba> So essentially I had to insert all over the game code, for instance the display of current gold, some lines that apply and then remove the future unit map.
20110401 18:54:16< tschmitz> Hm, I'm not sure exactly what you mean there
20110401 18:54:31< gabba> Dunno if that sounds too abstract to you... essentially I'm invisibly moving units just before wesnoth does some things, then I move them back to their original spots
20110401 18:54:47< tschmitz> is "some things" some drawing functions?
20110401 18:55:14< tschmitz> Modifying the unit map sounds understandable to me
20110401 18:55:19< tschmitz> You make some temporary modifications
20110401 18:55:39< tschmitz> and hand that off back to the Wesnoth main game for it to do some tasks
20110401 18:55:51< tschmitz> (such as displaying the screen, like your arrows?)
20110401 18:55:58< gabba> "some things" would be for instance pathfinding calculations, displaying the current gold (affected by planned recruits), displaying the right-hand column with unit info, etc.
20110401 18:56:37< gabba> Arrows are handled rather separately from that and are less complicated to understand
20110401 18:56:50< tschmitz> Oh, all right
20110401 18:57:34< tschmitz> You mentioned your main class
20110401 18:58:01< tschmitz> that seems like where I'll probably start 
20110401 18:58:03< tschmitz> to
20110401 18:58:11< tschmitz> understand things
20110401 18:58:23< tschmitz> (do you remember its name, by chance?)
20110401 18:58:32< gabba> Probably a good starting point
20110401 18:58:48< gabba> I'll look it up now
20110401 18:58:52< tschmitz> Is there any explanation about your main class you might have?
20110401 18:59:02< tschmitz> Regarding the overall workings
20110401 18:59:31< tschmitz> It communicates with the Wesnoth main game somehow
20110401 19:00:41< tschmitz> (Oh yeah, and I'll be leaving to go to class in 40 minutes)
20110401 19:00:43< gabba> Look up /src/whiteboard/manager.hpp
20110401 19:01:01< tschmitz> Is that possible to do via the internet?
20110401 19:01:26< gabba> Yeah there's a web interface to the source code on Gna!, I believe
20110401 19:01:28< tschmitz> I looked in there briefly when I was at home
20110401 19:01:48< tschmitz> OK, I haven't delved much into Gna!; haven't used it before, either
20110401 19:02:17< gabba> For the communication, well look at references to the functions of my main class: grep for them, or use an IDE like Eclipse to "find all references".
20110401 19:02:34< gabba> I have to go now, though
20110401 19:03:13< tschmitz> OK
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20110401 19:03:22< tschmitz> although I did find the source on Gna!
20110401 19:03:30< gabba> Around what time will you be on IRC?
20110401 19:03:41< gabba> usually?
20110401 19:03:57< tschmitz> Tonight I'll come on again at around
20110401 19:03:59< tschmitz> 5-6pm
20110401 19:04:00< tschmitz> PST
20110401 19:04:08< tschmitz> 7 or 8 hours from now
20110401 19:04:12< tschmitz> (is when I get home)
20110401 19:04:17< gabba> I'm in EST timezone
20110401 19:04:22< tschmitz> All right
20110401 19:04:27< gabba> Ok, see you
20110401 19:04:31< tschmitz> See ya, have fun
20110401 19:04:35< gabba> and good luck :)
20110401 19:04:38< tschmitz> good to talk to you.
20110401 19:04:39< tschmitz> Thanks!
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20110401 19:05:34< boucman> back
20110401 19:05:39< boucman> and I missed gabba :P
20110401 19:06:02< boucman> tschmitz: the week of rating proposals is mainly for big orgs where all mentors don't know each other...
20110401 19:06:25< boucman> for wesnoth we usually do a big meeting on a private chan to decide in commitee
20110401 19:06:37< tschmitz> On the 8th?
20110401 19:06:52< Ivanovic> on a day when all mentors and possibly i got time
20110401 19:06:52< boucman> so yes, anything done past that deadline but before the meeting is fine
20110401 19:07:13< tschmitz> Ah;
20110401 19:07:35< tschmitz> is there a way that I'll know what day that meeting will be?
20110401 19:07:39< tschmitz> Or should I just shoot for April 8
20110401 19:07:43< boucman> the deadline for proposal rating on our side is april 28, though I don't know when our actual meeting will take place
20110401 19:08:23< tschmitz> OK, so well, unless y'all announce the day of the meeting, I should just aim for April 8
20110401 19:08:23< Ivanovic> boucman: we have to be done on the 22nd
20110401 19:08:27< boucman> tschmitz: you have to submit to google before the 8, and the core of your proposal should be there at that point, but you are free to edit your wiki page as much as you want after that
20110401 19:08:40< tschmitz> Right
20110401 19:08:42< Ivanovic> so usually the meeting is the weekend before
20110401 19:08:48< tschmitz> Speaking of the Google proposal
20110401 19:08:51< boucman> Ivanovic: huh... I looked at the wrong line in my calendar :P
20110401 19:08:58< Ivanovic> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2011
20110401 19:09:15< tschmitz> The mentor organization is the one that evaluates the proposals, right?
20110401 19:09:24< tschmitz> So my submission to Google itself is ...
20110401 19:09:36< Ivanovic> the proposal has to be in the google tracker
20110401 19:09:36< tschmitz> well, not going to really be the basis of my evaluation?
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20110401 19:09:46< Ivanovic> *this* is the only official data source
20110401 19:09:54< Ivanovic> anything not there is not participating in gsoc, simple as that
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20110401 19:10:15< Ivanovic> but from there you can link additional stuff, like the wiki page
20110401 19:10:18< boucman> if your proposal is a single line with the URL of your wiki page that's fine with us... but you MUST submit something
20110401 19:10:26< tschmitz> Got it
20110401 19:10:39< tschmitz> so I should stick a proposal in the Google submission with a link to the wiki page
20110401 19:10:45< tschmitz> possibly this very moment, even
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20110401 19:11:18< tschmitz> Does that seem about right?
20110401 19:11:27< boucman> yes
20110401 19:11:28< Ivanovic> yeah
20110401 19:11:33< tschmitz> OK thanks
20110401 19:11:51< boucman> tschmitz: and btw, if you are looking for something to code, looking at bugs assigned to gabba is a good start ;)
20110401 19:12:15< boucman> exposing the arrow code to WML could be a good start too, so WML could draw arrows on the map could be fun too
20110401 19:12:17< tschmitz> K, yeah, I have those "whiteboard bugs" pulled up in a tab on my home computer
20110401 19:12:28< tschmitz> Heh
20110401 19:12:49< tschmitz> I'll do my best to ... accomplish something
20110401 19:14:13< boucman> ok, I have to go... again see you all later
20110401 19:15:14< tschmitz> Bye!
20110401 19:20:22< tschmitz> K, proposal submitted to Google
20110401 19:23:37< timotei> hi fabi 
20110401 19:23:49< timotei> fabi: are you busy? I'd like to ask something about LoW
20110401 19:26:57< fabi> timotei: I have 5 minutes. How can I help you?
20110401 19:27:38< timotei> fabi: in tha _main.cfg, in case of MULTIPLAYER define, you define/undefine the easy/normal/hard and then including (again) the same directories?
20110401 19:27:44< timotei> why doing that?
20110401 19:28:13< timotei> I'm trying to see if I can make a "dependency map" for each wesnoth project. That will come very in handy for various autocomplete features, and others too
20110401 19:30:02< fabi> This is related to the multiplayer improvement gsoc project. There is no way to select difficult levels for a campaign for the player.
20110401 19:30:18< timotei> fabi: oh. so it's some kind of 'hack/workaround'? :)
20110401 19:30:26< fabi> very dirty hack
20110401 19:30:31< timotei> ok good
20110401 19:30:42< fabi> No problem.
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20110401 20:03:23< Logmorph> hey boucman, you on?
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20110401 20:06:07< Logmorph> boucman: I wanted to ask you something about GSOC
20110401 20:06:58< Ivanovic> Logmorph: you should just ask and boucman will reply when he is back
20110401 20:07:06< Ivanovic> (or anyone else knowing the area might reply)
20110401 20:07:17< Logmorph> ok
20110401 20:07:30< Logmorph> I saw you guys had an opengl branch
20110401 20:07:37< Logmorph> somewhat seems to be dead
20110401 20:08:02< Ivanovic> ah, that was something started by alink to see if a transition would be possible and stuff
20110401 20:08:16< Logmorph> I've studied the code a bit, and I think I should be able to port wesnoth to opengl
20110401 20:08:26< Logmorph> and was wondering if I could do that for gsoc
20110401 20:08:39< Ivanovic> but he ain't around *this* regulary and it was a *very* hackish approach replacing stuff 1:1 with stuff from opengl that is "similar enough" to sdl
20110401 20:09:35< Logmorph> well, I haven't looked at the branch yet, but I was thinking of rewriting the rendering part
20110401 20:09:49< Logmorph> as far as I can tell, rendering is somewhat abstractized
20110401 20:10:00< anonymissimus> who can answer me some questions about wml (container) variable array creation on the C++ side ?
20110401 20:10:00< Logmorph> so it shouldn't take forever
20110401 20:10:07< Ivanovic> Logmorph: during wesdem in febuary we also talked about possibly offering opengl work but decided that it is "too big"
20110401 20:10:29< Logmorph> so...no go?
20110401 20:10:31< Ivanovic> there is just too much to do and there are too many possible problems since things are interwined
20110401 20:10:45< Ivanovic> which can get *very* frustrating for the student
20110401 20:11:18< Logmorph> well, I'm decent with directx (worked on it for 4-5 years) and migrated to opengl last automn
20110401 20:11:21< Ivanovic> plus: yes, we'd love to have wesnoth ported over to opengl, but we'd also want to have someone do it who will (likely) stay around
20110401 20:11:29< Logmorph> so I kinda know my way around it
20110401 20:11:54< Ivanovic> Logmorph: a problem with this as gsoc project is that many gsoc students do leave after their project is done
20110401 20:12:10< Ivanovic> and if we lost the one with all the knowledge of opengl, it would not be nice
20110401 20:12:30< Logmorph> well, actually I was looking for an open source project I could help on
20110401 20:12:30< Ivanovic> though it might be possible to formulate some project that would be a first step in the migration
20110401 20:13:01< Logmorph> I thought of that too...
20110401 20:13:11< Ivanovic> (there is always lots of preparation work required to get a complete conversion done in a sane way, some of this groundwork might be possible as gsoc project)
20110401 20:13:48< Logmorph> maybe trying to reorganize stuff a bit, maybe abstractize the rendering process to make a tranzistion easier...
20110401 20:14:03< Ivanovic> yes, something like this could work
20110401 20:14:23< Logmorph> cause right now there seems to be alot of SDL stuff where it shouldn't...
20110401 20:14:49< Ivanovic> though it would be nice to hear those, that know more about wesnoth rendering (mordante for gui stuff and boucman for animations and whatnot) to get an idea if this might be a decent approach
20110401 20:15:05< Logmorph> true
20110401 20:15:59< Ivanovic> Logmorph: so for the moment make sure that you can compile wesnoth trunk and think what could be done for such a project
20110401 20:16:18< Ivanovic> (very rough and abstract, not really close to the sources for a start)
20110401 20:16:21< Logmorph> yeah, I can compile it, been studying it for a few days
20110401 20:16:33< Ivanovic> then when boucman is around it might be possible to discuss it with him
20110401 20:17:04< Ivanovic> Logmorph: you could also try to get a checkout of the ogl branch, build and run it
20110401 20:17:21< Ivanovic> but it is *very* hackish and likely to be problematic depending on the graphics drivers/card used
20110401 20:17:31< Logmorph> yeah, that was the next thing I was going to do after grabbing some food:)
20110401 20:17:34< Logmorph> not sure..
20110401 20:17:41< Logmorph> but that depends on the implementation
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20110401 20:18:05< Logmorph> cause SDL has an opengl link, so you don't need to do much
20110401 20:18:17< Ivanovic> trust me on this, it is hackish (this is what alink said himself) and i have seen it behave very differently when used on the open source ati drivers as well as catalyst or the open source intel driver
20110401 20:18:37< Logmorph> yeah
20110401 20:18:41< Logmorph> I'm on windows atm
20110401 20:18:45< Ivanovic> he basically tried to replace the sdl draw calls 1:1 with opengl commands
20110401 20:18:50< Logmorph> have a dual boot of osx
20110401 20:19:03< Ivanovic> and he just had an nvidia card with proprietary drivers for testing
20110401 20:19:03< Logmorph> aha
20110401 20:19:22< Logmorph> I'll take a look at his branch
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20110401 20:20:52< mordante> servus
20110401 20:21:03< Logmorph> hullo
20110401 20:21:27< mordante> hi Logmorph 
20110401 20:22:49< Ivanovic> deekay: do you have anything left for a 1.8.6 release?
20110401 20:23:04< deekay> Ivanovic: Crab's changes.
20110401 20:23:55< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, elias, Espreon, esr, fabi, loonycyborg, mordante, shadowmaster, Soliton, timotei, Upthorn, zookeeper, anyone else who cares: what do you still have left for 1.8.x that should be added in 1.8.6?
20110401 20:24:04< Ivanovic> deekay: any idea how far those are still off?
20110401 20:24:12< timotei> Ivanovic: nope
20110401 20:24:21< esr> Ivanovic: No blockers here.
20110401 20:24:25< Upthorn> nothing
20110401 20:24:49< fabi> Ivanovic: When do you want to release? I still have some things to fix regarding LoW and NR.
20110401 20:25:00< Ivanovic> fabi: "sometime soon"
20110401 20:25:05< mordante> Ivanovic, no blockers for me, not sure but I'm quite sure Crab_'s change involves new strings
20110401 20:25:08< Ivanovic> fabi: so work on those fixes and commit them
20110401 20:25:20< deekay> Ivanovic: He mentioned something about trying to finish it... around next week?
20110401 20:25:33< fabi> Ivanovic: I will have time in the second half of next week. 
20110401 20:25:34< deekay> Or something like that if my memory is correct.
20110401 20:25:44< Ivanovic> mordante: if they involve new strings, there is a delay of about one week between the pot-update following the changes and tagging 1.8.6
20110401 20:25:58< Ivanovic> deekay: okay
20110401 20:26:06< Ivanovic> fabi: okay, then please take a note and act accordingly
20110401 20:26:37< mordante> Ivanovic, I know, just wanted to inform you
20110401 20:26:57< Logmorph> well, I got to go. I'll check out the opengl branch and think a bit about the possibilities
20110401 20:27:11< Ivanovic> mordante: my main idea behind asking this is to make everyone aware of the plans so that there are no "ups, forgot about this, please wait another month till i am done" messages
20110401 20:27:13< Ivanovic> ;)
20110401 20:27:40< mordante> ah ok, I thought we already had that message about a month ago ;-P
20110401 20:28:02< Ivanovic> mordante: and obviously it has not helped, at least regarding fabi
20110401 20:28:03< Ivanovic> ;)
20110401 20:28:19< mordante> :-)
20110401 20:29:04< Ivanovic> Logmorph: don't forget to read the logs when you come back (or at least grep for your nick in case eg boucman can give you some insight)
20110401 20:30:19< fabi> Ivanovic: :-P
20110401 20:30:34< Logmorph> Ivanovic: I'm gonna log off...any chance to get the logs while I'm out?
20110401 20:30:45< Ivanovic> Logmorph: cf topic
20110401 20:30:46< timotei> Logmorph: http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2011/04/
20110401 20:31:03< Logmorph> oh, cool
20110401 20:31:10< Logmorph> well, cya guys
20110401 20:31:18< timotei> bye
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20110401 21:04:34< Disruption> hi Devs! :D
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20110401 21:06:44< mordante> melinath, regarding your Lua crash, I know about nothing about Lua but the line 13 " old_on_load(cfg)" doesn't that cause infinite recursion?
20110401 21:07:26< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: I think I backported all my most recent changes applicable to 1.8. Nothing here AFAIR.
20110401 21:07:55< Disruption> boucman: I'm working on the mockup GUI
20110401 21:07:58< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: okay
20110401 21:09:59< mordante> zaroth, good that Wesnoth forces to code you cleanly ;-)
20110401 21:11:54< mordante> epyon, I still wonder how moving to Lua will automatically validate the input, can you explain that a bit further?
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20110401 21:25:48< anonymissimus> mordante: no recursion
20110401 21:26:00< anonymissimus> the wesnoth.game_events:on_save gets overwritten
20110401 21:26:30< anonymissimus> that is, calling old_on_save() calls another game_events:on_save than the function that just got defined
20110401 21:26:54< anonymissimus> I can try my hand at that bug...we'll see
20110401 21:26:54< mordante> anonymissimus, I was looking at the code in on_load
20110401 21:27:45< anonymissimus> where ?
20110401 21:27:59< mordante> https://gist.github.com/897547 line 13
20110401 21:28:50< mordante> but as I said, I don't know Lua
20110401 21:30:04< anonymissimus> my argument is the same for that
20110401 21:30:22< mordante> ok
20110401 21:31:18< anonymissimus> calling old_on_load doesn't call the function where it appears, it calls the old version of game_events.on_load
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20110401 21:36:10< anonymissimus> melinath: if can get a backtrace for that crash it might be helpful
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20110401 21:52:10< Disruption> boucman is AFK I suppose ._.
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20110401 22:05:26< Disruption> boucman: I have more or less a complete mockup, although very limited of course. Tell me when you are back so we can talk :)
20110401 22:10:45< AI0867> Ivanovic: I should probably port some bugfixes
20110401 22:11:04< Ivanovic> AI0867: if you got some, then yeah, please do so
20110401 22:12:06< AI0867> I don't have a 1.8 checkout here and I probably won't be home for another hour or 2
20110401 22:12:22< Ivanovic> AI0867: it depends on crab and fabi anyway...
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20110401 22:35:01< Sytyi> Ivanovic: hi. Can you advice how it will be better to make an example of my annotation to source file? Commit it to svn repository or make a wiki page? No source improvment, only comments add.  
20110401 22:35:24< Ivanovic> huh?
20110401 22:35:25< CIA-89> anonymissimus * r49087 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20110401 22:35:25< CIA-89> Extended [heal_unit] to also "heal" moves, attacks, statuses and several units at once.
20110401 22:35:25< CIA-89> New default is to restore statuses too (this tags is usually useless without doing that).
20110401 22:35:26< Ivanovic> no idea
20110401 22:36:05< Sytyi> Ivanovic: thanks. So let it be wiki
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20110401 22:52:33< anonymissimus> can anyone think of a wesnoth tag/key that takes specail values, e.g. hitpoints=full or such
20110401 22:52:56< anonymissimus> dont want to introduce redundant naming conventions
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20110401 23:16:43< mordante> Sytyi, the best would be a patch for the source code at patches.wesnoth.org
20110401 23:17:15< Sytyi> mordante: Thanks. 
20110401 23:17:32< mordante> you're welcome
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20110401 23:19:06< mordante> I'm off night
20110401 23:19:12< Sytyi> mordante: night
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