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20110410 00:01:30< Sytyi> mordante: no idea. In assignment operator?
20110410 00:01:37< mordante> yes
20110410 00:02:52< Sytyi> mordante: if strcpy works with error? 
20110410 00:04:03< Sytyi> mordante: or with union copying?
20110410 00:04:10< mordante> nope
20110410 00:04:45< mordante> it's the classical problem with the assignment operator
20110410 00:05:20< Sytyi> mordante: no idea
20110410 00:06:08< mordante> let's assume operator is returns the data&
20110410 00:06:17< Sytyi> mordante: maybe memory is not free when assignment return NULL
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20110410 00:06:30< Sytyi> mordante: and as for that, 
20110410 00:06:57< Sytyi> mordante: the assignment in case of error, return reference
20110410 00:07:07< Sytyi> mordante: reference can not be NULL
20110410 00:07:51< Sytyi> mordante: but some error has been, and some field has not been initialized properly
20110410 00:08:10< mordante> well we know new throws so that's not the issue
20110410 00:08:16< mordante> what does the following code do »data foo("bar"); foo = foo;«
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20110410 00:09:01< Sytyi> mordante: old value doesnt been free
20110410 00:09:19< Sytyi> and copy is made , rewriting it
20110410 00:09:45< Sytyi> so I need to check of equality of old and new values 
20110410 00:10:05< mordante> exactly by self assignment you leak the original pointer
20110410 00:10:20< mordante> do you know how to test for self-assignment?
20110410 00:10:46< Sytyi> mordante: no 
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20110410 00:11:03< Sytyi> mordante: test this and that equality?
20110410 00:12:40< Sytyi> mordante: and maybe for direct pointers values, if this.pointer = that.pointer 
20110410 00:12:44< tschmitz> Sytyi: if(this == &that)
20110410 00:13:43< mordante> Sytyi, yes, and tschmitz showed how to do that
20110410 00:13:55< Sytyi> mordante: :)
20110410 00:14:30< tschmitz> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/assignment-operators.html
20110410 00:14:51< tschmitz> I read that entire FAQ for a week during winter break
20110410 00:15:46< mordante> tschmitz, threw around links to that site before today ;-) (not sure whether you were around at that time)
20110410 00:16:08< mordante> and I really like that site, contains a lot of good information
20110410 00:16:25< tschmitz> Hey I see it up there now
20110410 00:16:32< tschmitz> was AFK
20110410 00:16:55< mordante> and I know most items there, but it's so easy to give as reference instead of having to explain it myself
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20110410 00:17:51< tschmitz> Heh yeah the information it is pretty much written as an explanation
20110410 00:18:07< tschmitz> so it's pretty understandable
20110410 00:18:33< mordante> yup and it's really a good quality 
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20110410 00:21:28< Sytyi> mordante: maybe next?
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20110410 00:23:13< mordante> Sytyi, next?
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20110410 00:23:26< Sytyi> mordante: about memory Leaks
20110410 00:23:58< Sytyi> mordante: I've improved destructor, assignment and now is improving construstor
20110410 00:24:49< mordante> well I don't see more memory leaks for now
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20110410 00:26:17< Sytyi> mordante: Thanks a lot. This evening is around month in university ).
20110410 00:26:38< Sytyi> mordante: Maybe speak a little about Annotations patch. 
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20110410 00:28:54< Sytyi> mordante:  also, http://pastebin.com/4UbZRdpv make compiler to generate a lot of warnings like value will be initialized later.
20110410 00:29:39< Soliton> initialize the members in the same order you defined them in the header.
20110410 00:31:11< Sytyi> Soliton: Thanks
20110410 00:38:17< mordante> Sytyi, you're welcome
20110410 00:39:17< Sytyi> mordante: What about annotations example? Or take them for tomorow, AFAIR its 00:40 at yours clock
20110410 00:40:04< mordante> Sytyi, regarding your patch I had a look and I miss the current wiki formatting text in it
20110410 00:41:05< Sytyi> mordante: what Do you mean? I did not touch that. Or maybe I just made patch file wrong :( ?
20110410 00:41:45< mordante> Sytyi, well I hope it's possible to combine both the wiki comment and the schema information in one place
20110410 00:41:57< mordante> in your proposal there is dupliction
20110410 00:42:21< mordante> eg  *@Key (name="debug", type="string", default="")
20110410 00:42:39< mordante> the wiki comment also tells it's a string defaulting to ""
20110410 00:44:06< Sytyi> mordante: I just tried to make annotation to be simple extended in future. How about adding annotations into wiki formatting, and taking info from them? 
20110410 00:44:52< Sytyi> mordante: i.e 
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20110410 00:46:22< Sytyi> http://pastebin.com/HYr1vCcn
20110410 00:47:58< Sytyi> mordante: Annotations contains a bit more information. And All keys will be in one table then. I need to think about open and end tags annotations
20110410 00:48:46< mordante> ok
20110410 00:49:11< mordante> I assume it's also late for you, so let's discuss it further tomorrow
20110410 00:50:36< Sytyi> mordante: Tomorrow I will work about that question, and another task for university - Syntax analysis tool using lexic tool, i provided to you. Thanks a lot for studying me. Good night
20110410 00:50:52< mordante> you're welcome
20110410 00:50:56< mordante> good night
20110410 00:51:03< mordante> I'm off now, night
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20110410 01:55:11< Disruption>  Ivanovic: I made some of the suggestions you told me to my wiki page :)
20110410 01:55:39< Disruption> Ivanovic: I'll add the remaining thing as soon as possible :) Anyways, I added a comment to the gsoc application :)
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20110410 06:55:13 * Xenmen dazzle by how quickly the devs wrote proposal reviews/suggestions!
20110410 06:55:25 * Xenmen *dazzled
20110410 06:55:36 * Xenmen and now also abashed...
20110410 06:56:50< Xenmen> Question; as a 'code example', would it be alright to implement a basic terminal chat program from start to finish?
20110410 06:57:06< Xenmen> because it sounds like the desire is to see complete workflow, from start to finish
20110410 06:57:13< Xenmen> documentation et all
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20110410 07:00:18< zaroth> good morning
20110410 07:00:44< zaroth> noy: you pinged me yesterday, I'm here now :-)
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20110410 07:07:45< shadowmaster> Nope, I don't like clients that need to advertise themselves in QUIT messages.
20110410 07:09:01< Xenmen> What sort of code examples are desired?
20110410 07:09:23< Xenmen> zaroth: good night/morning!
20110410 07:12:26< Xenmen> Am I correct in thinking that an example of "start-to-finish" workflow is desired?
20110410 07:12:37< zaroth> hello Xenmen
20110410 07:12:52< Xenmen> Hello Zaroth!
20110410 07:13:31< Xenmen> (I do wish it were morning here; I've been sick for a few days and the sunrises at morning are the only pleasant times right now   DX   )
20110410 07:14:08< zaroth> Xenmen: as Ivanovic yesterday said about code examples: " what we basically want are two things 1) see that you are able to use the language required later on 2) able to get into the area you will be working on when you have to make use of already available things"
20110410 07:14:18< zaroth> it may or may not answer your question ;-)
20110410 07:14:46< |Marek|> would appear to mean no start to finish required
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20110410 07:14:53< Xenmen> Ah; it's also a test of initiative then...
20110410 07:15:02< MGoods|RangerM> wonder why it changed to that name o.O
20110410 07:15:04< Xenmen> I think I understand now
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20110410 07:15:46< zaroth> Xenmen: imho the best way to present these abilities is to write some patches for wesnoth
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20110410 07:16:19< zaroth> not only will you present your skill, but you will have the satisfaction that your code helped others and is used by thousands of wesnoth players ;-)
20110410 07:16:59< zaroth> and you may think that writing patches isn't "start-to-finish"
20110410 07:17:28< zaroth> how wrong you are! I'm currently at my 7th or 8th iteration of control panel dialog patch ;-)
20110410 07:17:50< Xenmen> XD
20110410 07:18:02< Xenmen> That's a good point...
20110410 07:18:06< zaroth> each time changing many things either suggested by mordante or fixing bugs I found myself
20110410 07:19:43< Xenmen> Thank-you for the advice Zaroth
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20110410 07:45:38< noy> zaroth: still around?
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20110410 07:46:24< zaroth> noy: yes
20110410 07:47:04< noy> I looked through your proposal
20110410 07:47:15< noy> and I think you should reprioritize some of your fixes
20110410 07:47:33< zaroth> I'm open to suggestions
20110410 07:48:05< noy> I think you need to put the surrender function up to the top
20110410 07:48:22< noy> its a critical fix that would enable alot of different functions to be added
20110410 07:48:29< noy> its just never been coded in properly
20110410 07:49:52< zaroth> noy: I'd also love that feature, since having your opponent leaving with a simple "gg" during ladder games just feels kinda... unrewarding
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20110410 07:50:09< zaroth> you'd rather see the "you are victorious screen" most of the time ;-)
20110410 07:50:09< noy> well, actually that shouldn't be the focus
20110410 07:50:36< zaroth> yeah, but that was my actual incentive to propose that, when I asked soliton about that
20110410 07:50:47< noy> and thinking through the gameplay effects is kinda important.
20110410 07:51:23< noy> one issue that I'm concerned about is what happens in a 2v2 where one player quits?
20110410 07:51:29< zaroth> as far as I thought, when a side surrenders and still has teammates, his side is automatically passed to his teammate
20110410 07:51:38< noy> okay, that sounds good
20110410 07:51:44< zaroth> when the last player in the team surrenders, the whole team loses
20110410 07:51:58< zaroth> and in case it's 2v2v2 is offered to be droided to host
20110410 07:52:16< noy> that was the other one
20110410 07:52:30< zaroth> (of course there can be a 1 player team ;-) )
20110410 07:52:41< zaroth> maybe I should have written my thoughts on the proposal page
20110410 07:52:58< zaroth> but none of the developers so far considered this high priority, so I didn't do it
20110410 07:53:08< noy> the option there is also to have a pre-game box that might say sides get droided or are removed from the map
20110410 07:53:43< noy> Yeah, well given I get to score your project, heed my words ;)
20110410 07:54:11< noy> its critical for a 2v2 ladder
20110410 07:54:14< zaroth> mm... removing a team from the map seems like a huge change to a gameplay
20110410 07:54:41< zaroth> there was so far nothing that did total extermination
20110410 07:54:46< noy> well you could just make them neutral third side
20110410 07:54:53< zaroth> but if you think it should be added...
20110410 07:55:45< zaroth> the question is, which part of the project should I prioritize lower then ;-)
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20110410 07:56:04< zaroth> I was already told that MP/SP integration can have monsters in the dark
20110410 07:56:44< Afan> will people look through your proposal after the 8th? or will you have to ask them to
20110410 07:56:47< zaroth> and can take unpredictable amount of time...
20110410 07:57:11< Afan> and is anyone else that uses Icechat having a lot ofsilent disconnects?
20110410 07:57:49< zaroth> noy: any other comments regarding behaviour?
20110410 07:58:26< zaroth> if you don't have any more, I'll just write on my proposal page what I said here
20110410 07:58:53< noy> zaroth: I actually think this can trump any of them... 
20110410 07:59:24< noy> one concern I have is that you've got a lot of big issues
20110410 08:00:04< zaroth> noy: I already stumbled on one difficulty in code
20110410 08:00:25< zaroth> when trying to determine which side the network AI belongs to
20110410 08:00:26< noy> It may sound counterintuitive, but making hte mp dialogue a medium priority and putting a surrender option makes your proposal better, because its more achievable
20110410 08:00:50< noy> or another of your high priority projects
20110410 08:01:29< zaroth> I can't find this information anywhere in WML if an AI was started as an AI from the beginning, and not droided
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20110410 08:02:22< zaroth> it's just "aix" then
20110410 08:02:25< zaroth> I guess I'll just try to implement it somehow if I finish my search and still don't find anything...
20110410 08:03:32< noy> I think you can undroid it
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20110410 08:03:45< zaroth> since I also liked the surrendering idea, it's nice to hear an interested developer ;-)
20110410 08:04:02< noy> *shrug*
20110410 08:04:26< Xenmen> :D
20110410 08:04:34< zaroth> noy: I think that even after undroiding the current_player= in WML stays aix, but didn't test it
20110410 08:04:43< Xenmen> I just got back BUT I LIKE THE SOUND OF THAT
20110410 08:07:40< Xenmen> The 'surrender' option, I mean... yeah I'll go back to working on my patch now
20110410 08:09:21< zaroth> noy: if by "mp dialogue" you meant the "mp creation screen", it's kind of hard to drop that, since it's quite tightly connected to the main topic, unification of MP and SP
20110410 08:09:26< noy> yeah
20110410 08:09:38< zaroth> but yes, parts of it can be postponed, I guess
20110410 08:09:59< noy> well, then the visual mp control panel
20110410 08:12:32< zaroth> mm, you're right
20110410 08:12:39< zaroth> I implemented a basic version of it already
20110410 08:12:50< zaroth> and thought that the final version would be just as simple
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20110410 08:13:03< zaroth> but mordante told me that GUI2 lacks comboboxes as of now
20110410 08:13:17< shadowmaster> (70
20110410 08:13:51< zaroth> so I guess working on areas of code (GUI2) I'll be less familiar with should be postponed
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20110410 08:14:12< zaroth> to make the most use of the familiarity I get in the MP code
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20110410 08:23:29< zaroth> the other thing I don't like in current Wesnoth is the implicitness of host rights
20110410 08:23:55< zaroth> afaik you can't tell which side is the host if you just join the game
20110410 08:24:12< Xenmen> There should be a little star beside the host's name
20110410 08:24:14< zaroth> and host also can't share his host rights with other people
20110410 08:24:34< Xenmen> at admin's end; dropdown menus beside the client names
20110410 08:24:36< zaroth> and I figured that while implementing my control panel, I could visually show that once I figured out how to find out this in code
20110410 08:24:38< Xenmen> with permission level options
20110410 08:26:32< noy> Actually I'd suggest when you join an ongoing game, that initial screen that flashes for an instant should be left on for like five seconds
20110410 08:26:40< noy> and the host is clearly identified in there
20110410 08:26:56< zaroth> Xenmen: fair enough, also thought of that. The question is, whether current Wesnoth server code supports multiple people with rights
20110410 08:27:08< zaroth> and I bet not (however I have only skimmed through server code so far)
20110410 08:28:12< Xenmen> zaroth: current code probably not; but since the server is a separate process at the host end, it's within reach
20110410 08:28:24< Xenmen> as a *GSoC project!!!*
20110410 08:28:52< Xenmen> er, unless fixing that is something that you've already claimed   D:
20110410 08:28:53< zaroth> Xenmen: I'm kind of wary of adding new areas of code I should be expert in to my GSoC project already.... ;-)
20110410 08:29:17< Xenmen> Ah...   X]
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20110410 08:29:23< Xenmen> hm, yes
20110410 08:31:28< zaroth> and I consider all tasks prioritized HIGH a must (unless *serious* difficulties occur, priorities can be changed during the GSoC), the rest is just a "nice-to-have" with two categories
20110410 08:32:40< zaroth> to give devs better idea of my plans
20110410 08:33:26< Xenmen> 'night all; got two more assignments for university to finish tomorrow...
20110410 08:33:39< Xenmen> good luck patching!
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20110410 09:09:40< zaroth> wesbot: seen yogihh
20110410 09:09:40< wesbot> zaroth: The person with the nick YogiHH last spoke 46d 9h ago.  2d 7h ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224]
20110410 09:18:56< timotei> hmm, nice discussions last night :)
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20110410 09:45:27< Crab_> Afan: yes, we'll look at the proposals at least once more. But, if you make changes which are  important, it's better to leave comments in the google tracker.
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20110410 10:09:13< Ivanovic> moin
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20110410 10:24:03< zaroth> noy: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Zaroth_Multiplayer_Improvements#Surrendering I modified my proposal, any more comments are most welcome
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20110410 10:25:08< noy> perfect
20110410 10:25:16< noy> you can say that I support it
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20110410 10:28:40< zaroth> also, when I discussed it with Crab, it seems he misunderstood my "passing side over to a teammate" quote as "transfer all units to the teammate side", instead of "pass the control to the teammate's client"
20110410 10:29:03< zaroth> it isn't the way I meant, I hope you didn't misunderstand it :-)
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20110410 10:32:21< mordante> servus
20110410 10:32:26< timotei> hi mordante 
20110410 10:32:39< mordante> hi timotei 
20110410 10:32:42< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20110410 10:32:48< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110410 11:59:03< vjoe> morning!
20110410 11:59:15< timotei> morning vjoe 
20110410 11:59:16< mordante> hi vjoe 
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20110410 12:39:09< zaroth> that's... a lot of commits
20110410 12:41:36< timotei> :P
20110410 12:42:00< timotei> it just seems. in reality are not :)
20110410 12:42:52< mordante> timotei, yeah it's no 50 commit spree ;-)
20110410 12:42:59< mordante> not a *
20110410 12:43:48< timotei> I think Ivanovic still beats us in regard with commit's heaviness xD
20110410 12:44:10< timotei> doing the pot update or optipng really modifies almost all files iirc
20110410 12:45:08< zaroth> timotei: are there developers who don't disable localization files generation? I found it quite annoying when I suddenly see thousands of .po files taking space on my screen ;-)
20110410 12:45:28< timotei> zaroth: well, there are :) those that use wesnoth in their native language
20110410 12:45:47< mordante> timotei, yeah the pot-updates can't be beaten in size
20110410 12:45:56< timotei> zaroth: I'd better use english rather than wait for the program to compile all those .po files
20110410 12:46:13< mordante> timotei, I don't use Wesnoth in my native tongue, but another translation :-P
20110410 12:46:17< timotei> hmm, AI dissapeared?:O
20110410 12:46:28< timotei> mordante: Deutsch?
20110410 12:46:32< mordante> genau
20110410 12:47:26< timotei> Ivanovic: there was someone who wanted to do the Dutch translations, did anyone contact him/reply ?
20110410 12:47:33< mordante> but off for dinner
20110410 12:47:35< timotei> (there was an e-mail on dev list)
20110410 12:47:39< Ivanovic> mordante: the pot-update can only be beaten by huge optipng runs where 10.000 files are changed!
20110410 12:47:56< timotei> mordante: Guten Appetit
20110410 12:48:07< Ivanovic> timotei: no idea
20110410 12:48:52< mordante> yeah but optigen is ran quite often so the changes are getting small
20110410 12:49:01< mordante> pot-updates stay large
20110410 12:49:05< mordante> danke timotei 
20110410 12:49:07< timotei> are there even 10k files?:O
20110410 12:49:32< mordante> timotei, why do you think we like to get spritesheets ;-)
20110410 12:50:25< Ivanovic> timotei: there are by far more than just 10k image files
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20110410 13:50:50< BorisS_> hello there, I am applying for GSoC and I was adviced to provide a short example of my code. The code is complete , however I am not sure where to upload it.
20110410 13:52:52< Nephro> gna.org wesnoth project would be your choice, BorisS_ 
20110410 13:52:58< Nephro> the patches section
20110410 13:54:09< BorisS_> thanks
20110410 13:58:28< boucman> or shorter : patches.wesnoth.org :)
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20110410 14:29:50< Soliton> zaroth: i'm happy to help with advice or code for server-side features. (re multiple game hosts/owners)
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20110410 15:29:17< YogiHH> hello everyone
20110410 15:29:48< YogiHH> zaroth, are you there?
20110410 15:30:43< zaroth> YogiHH: I just came back :-)
20110410 15:30:50< YogiHH> ah, cool :)
20110410 15:31:41< zaroth> Soliton: thanks for your offer! I can surely use some help, probably will discuss some things over with you during this week if you are available
20110410 15:32:01< YogiHH> zaroth: i had a quick glance at your proposal and i will be afk soon, but i probably will have time to get back to you later. Anything specific i might be able to answer now?
20110410 15:32:37< zaroth> YogiHH: I was told that you did an improvement to MP creation screen in your experimental fork.
20110410 15:33:23< zaroth> I wanted to ask you what exactly did you do, how easy would it eventually be to port, and what difficulties did you meet
20110410 15:34:01< YogiHH> zaroth: ah, not really. We just met at FOSDEM in Brussels and designed sort of a screenshot what a new dialog might look like. It's still in the design phase, though ;)
20110410 15:34:48< zaroth> if you read the MP creation screen part of my proposal, you probably already know what my plans are, some regards about feasibility of those also would be neat :-)
20110410 15:35:17< zaroth> btw
20110410 15:35:23< YogiHH> zaroth: have you seen the corresponding mail on the mailing list regarding the mp creation dialog?
20110410 15:35:33 * zaroth is amazed at the speed you appeared here, I sent the e-mail ~3 hours ago
20110410 15:35:53< zaroth> YogiHH: no, was it in february? I will look it up
20110410 15:36:05 * YogiHH spends a considerable time in front of the computer, even if he is not always online ;)
20110410 15:36:45< YogiHH> zaroth: if you give me an email address, i can send it to you
20110410 15:37:01< zaroth> YogiHH: erm... I send you an e-mail?
20110410 15:37:07< zaroth> you can use that one ;-)
20110410 15:37:22 * YogiHH slaps his head in shame :P
20110410 15:38:39< YogiHH> zaroth: mail sent
20110410 15:39:30< zaroth> alright
20110410 15:40:00< zaroth> also, generally, I was told that you are one of the few experts in the code area I'm going to delve into
20110410 15:40:23< YogiHH> zaroth: well, i used to, we will see what is left of that ;)
20110410 15:40:24< zaroth> so if I find some monsters in the darkness I may come to you crying for help eventually ;-)
20110410 15:40:47< YogiHH> zaroth: what time zone are you in and how long will you be available tonight?
20110410 15:41:19< zaroth> YogiHH: I'm GMT+1 and tonight I'm going to a party, sadly
20110410 15:41:34< zaroth> but I will be pretty much every evening this week, just as I stated in the mail
20110410 15:42:22< mordante> hi YogiHH nice to see you here
20110410 15:42:25< YogiHH> zaroth: ok, i will send some comments via mail and try to get back to you here next week then.
20110410 15:42:33< YogiHH> hey mordante :)
20110410 15:44:10< YogiHH> zaroth: on a scale of 1-10, how would you rate your coding skills regarding C/C++ generally, as well as your ability to quickly grasp concepts and hack your way through the wesnoth code? Don't worry, i just would like to know about that to cross-check your timeline.
20110410 15:45:35< zaroth> YogiHH: currently my biggest problem is estimation of the size of the task, so any help especially with that is welcome
20110410 15:45:53< zaroth> regarding my coding skills... that's a trick question.
20110410 15:46:27< zaroth> A ~1.5 months ago I started coding for Wesnoth and for another C++ project at work. Before that, I'd rate my skills at 7.
20110410 15:46:35< YogiHH> a tricky question maybe? I didn't want to ask a trick question :)
20110410 15:47:21< zaroth> However, during this work I learned a *lot* (and refreshed a lot of knowledge as well) about boost, templates, design patterns and C++0x...
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20110410 15:47:30< zaroth> and... I'd still rate myself at 7 ;-)
20110410 15:47:48< zaroth> because through learning all that I also learned a lot about what I *don't know* ;-)
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20110410 15:47:55< mordante> :-)
20110410 15:48:10< mordante> that's most of the time the case
20110410 15:48:32< YogiHH> zaroth: fair enough :). Are you familiar with UML (i think i should have some UML sequence diagrams lying around regarding mp code)?
20110410 15:48:55< zaroth> but if you want to look at my code, have a look at my questionnaire (it's linked to the proposal)
20110410 15:49:01< zaroth> I list all my patches there
20110410 15:49:11< Ivanovic> hi YogiHH!
20110410 15:49:19< YogiHH> Ivanovic: hey :)
20110410 15:49:27< mordante> this is a nice one YogiHH https://gna.org/patch/?2625
20110410 15:49:31< zaroth> YogiHH: not yet, but always wanted to learn that
20110410 15:50:17< YogiHH> zaroth: ok, i will send you some comments and what else will come to my mind.
20110410 15:50:23< zaroth> just as I always wanted to put MVC into use and I had an opportunity to with the patch mordante gratuitiously linked ;-)
20110410 15:51:14< zaroth> before you go, I'd like you to maybe rather have a look at this hack: https://gna.org/patch/?2618
20110410 15:51:28< zaroth> it's not pretty coded, but it touches the main areas of my GSoC project
20110410 15:51:31< YogiHH> Ivanovic: What's the GSoC timeline (too lazy to look for ;P )? When are we going to have a decision on proposals?
20110410 15:51:49< zaroth> and I will develop this hack during this week under Crab_ guidance
20110410 15:52:00< zaroth> and fendrin, if I manage to contact him ;-)
20110410 15:52:03< Ivanovic> timeline is that the matching of students and mentors has to be done by the 22nd
20110410 15:52:21< Ivanovic> (though i want to have it done significantly before, just to be sure)
20110410 15:53:09< zaroth> Ivanovic: does the "mentor-student" matching have any meaning?
20110410 15:53:29< Ivanovic> zaroth: that matching is deciding which students we want to take as well as who will mentor them
20110410 15:53:40< Ivanovic> and no, the results will *not* be published until google does so
20110410 15:54:45< zaroth> Ivanovic: that's not what I meant... I meant something along the lines "does it change anything if my mentor is X rather than Y? I mean, I can ask Y anyway, can't I?"
20110410 15:54:59< mordante> you can ask anybody
20110410 15:55:12< Ivanovic> zaroth: you can ask anybody, no difference there
20110410 15:55:27< Ivanovic> zaroth: google just needs to know who will be your "official" mentor and does the ranking stuff
20110410 15:55:38< YogiHH> zaroth: sorry, i won't be able to look at your code right now. I will try to do it tonight and send you my thoughts.
20110410 15:55:41< Ivanovic> (ranking aka evaluation aka "passed or failed")
20110410 15:55:56< YogiHH> alright guys, i am off for now.
20110410 15:55:58< YogiHH> see you
20110410 15:56:02< mordante> bye YogiHH 
20110410 15:56:09< zaroth> YogiHH: see you!
20110410 15:56:18< zaroth> and thanks for offered help :-)
20110410 15:56:30< mordante> we're rather small and open, everybody knows everybody, for larger organizations a primary mentor can be more important
20110410 15:56:53< YogiHH> zaroth: you are welcome
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20110410 15:57:07< Ivanovic> this mentor matching is by far more critical by umbrella organizations like, say, the python foundation
20110410 15:57:30< Ivanovic> *many* small projects participating, not everyone knowing everyone else, really different projects part of this single org, ...
20110410 15:57:53< zaroth> Ivanovic: that's what I also thought
20110410 15:58:40< Ivanovic> for us the ranking/matching (with our very limited number of mentors) is basically something like: find some time when everyone has about 1h to be online and do some final discussion
20110410 15:58:41< mordante> google just wants one mentor per student
20110410 15:58:53< Sytyi> mordante: hi. Have you ever (Internal error: pc 0x4 in read in psymtab, but not in symtab.) error in gdb ? 
20110410 15:58:57< Ivanovic> (which can be lovely with the timezone difference, since not everyone is in europe)
20110410 15:59:10< mordante> Sytyi, yes which version of gdb 7.0?
20110410 15:59:29< Soliton> zaroth: another feature we'd like to have in the create game screen is a way to mark replays as public, btw. just needs to set some top-level key that the server or replay site scripts can use to decide where to put the replay.
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20110410 15:59:53< zaroth> Soliton: seems easy enough for a pre-gsoc task
20110410 15:59:53< Ivanovic> (note the "final" part, we already tend to discuss lots of stuff while going over the proposals as well as while looking through comments and such)
20110410 16:00:24< Soliton> zaroth: indeed.
20110410 16:01:10< Sytyi> mordante: 6.8
20110410 16:01:24< mordante> Sytyi, do you have time to look at your patch in a about 15 minutes?
20110410 16:01:32< Sytyi> mordante: Yes, of course
20110410 16:01:35< Soliton> zaroth: of course showing that option in the lobby will be nice as well but not that crucial at first. (and i don't exactly know the state of the new/old lobby issue)
20110410 16:02:16< mordante> Sytyi, in my experience 7.2 has this issue less
20110410 16:02:21< zaroth> by the way, with the multitude of options that can be put in the MP creation dialog, maybe adding another window hidden behind a button (like "Advanced options" ) would be needed
20110410 16:02:51< mordante> the problem is that GDB can't properly map symbols and give the wrong answer on some questions
20110410 16:03:12< mordante> (and thus send you to hunt the wrong but, which happened to me recently :-()
20110410 16:03:51< Sytyi> mordante: I just want to know, is this error due to my fault of not. After yesterday I want to make my best in current task
20110410 16:04:07< Soliton> zaroth: yeah, espically the time limit settings where considered for that before.
20110410 16:04:12< Nephro> Ivanovic, have I told you that I have posted a pretty big patch on gna.org for mentors to take a look at? the unfinished one, I hope to finish that tomorrow, the headache seems to go away
20110410 16:04:24< mordante> no it's a problem in gdb or your toolchain
20110410 16:04:43< Ivanovic> Nephro: yeah, you mentioned that
20110410 16:05:10< Nephro> oh, that's good then
20110410 16:05:17< Sytyi> mordante: Thanks. So what about patch
20110410 16:06:09< Soliton> zaroth: there is also the possibility to remove nick list and chat area since i'm quite sure they're not really useful in the create screen anymore.
20110410 16:07:20< zaroth> Soliton: I'll look into it. However for now I'm more bending toward adding another window since it seems simpler to code and I'd like rather focus on non-GUI tasks first.
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20110410 16:11:19< mordante> Sytyi, like I said this morning I really like it combined with the wiki comment
20110410 16:11:33< Sytyi> mordante: Yes. 
20110410 16:11:44< mordante> Sytyi, also you also expanded things like text_alignment, I rather look at that later
20110410 16:11:51< mordante> it's defined at another place
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20110410 16:12:57< Sytyi> mordante: I see. So should it be a type?
20110410 16:12:58< mordante> Sytyi, do you think it's possible to combine it in the current wiki format?
20110410 16:13:23< mordante> for now you can assume all types are known
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20110410 16:13:54< mordante> I like to focus on the mandatory/optional keys and the number of times a [line] etc may occur
20110410 16:14:15< Sytyi> mordante: I want to save hierachy, so some annotations like @Parent and @Tag should be left 
20110410 16:14:26< mordante> just like to start with a small proof-of-concept which can be exapanded later
20110410 16:15:24< Sytyi> mordante: but keys and values can be read from wiki formatting
20110410 16:16:36< mordante> Sytyi, regarding the @Parent the 'children' might be scattered throughout several files
20110410 16:16:55< Sytyi> mordante: Yes, 
20110410 16:17:08< Sytyi> mordante: Or this is bad& 
20110410 16:17:14< Sytyi> * & = ? 
20110410 16:17:56< mordante> well if I look at your patch it starts with /*WML\n@Parant(name = "draw") */
20110410 16:18:26< mordante> then we have the precommit Tag, how does do you know the precommit is a child of draw?
20110410 16:18:59< Sytyi> mordante: and with  @Parent name @EndParent @Parent name2, one file can contain many Parents 
20110410 16:19:26< Sytyi> mordante: The @parent is opened, so until @EndParent all tags are in It
20110410 16:20:00< mordante> and it will be allowed to define the same Parent name in several files?
20110410 16:20:01< Sytyi> mordante: and blur is in opened tag precommit, so precommit is parent of bkur
20110410 16:20:09< Sytyi> mordante: Yes.
20110410 16:22:12< Sytyi> mordante: There is some possible problems if you dont close the opened tag. 
20110410 16:22:42< Sytyi> mordante: but then the Schema generator tool will show an error or a warning
20110410 16:23:23< mordante> ok clear
20110410 16:24:11< Sytyi> mordante: and I think that tag should be opened and closed in one /*WIKI block
20110410 16:24:23< mordante> btw I assume there is no limit in nesting?
20110410 16:24:41< mordante> I think opening and closing it in one wiki block would be wise
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20110410 16:25:18< mordante> did you also consider to have a tag contain a text with the name/id of its parent?
20110410 16:26:01< Sytyi> mordante: I thought about it
20110410 16:26:40< Sytyi> mordante: But as for me, I prefer global opened and closed parent tags.
20110410 16:27:28< Sytyi> mordante: It will make much more place, and there could be troubles with tags with sanme name
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20110410 16:27:42< CIA-82> fendrin * r49170 /branches/editor/src/wml/: Created a subdir for classes that correspond to wml tags.
20110410 16:28:10< Sytyi> mordante: And numeric ID can be a good idea. But it should be generated 
20110410 16:29:25< CIA-82> fendrin * r49171 /branches/editor/src/wml/ (item.cpp item.hpp): Empty files for the item class.
20110410 16:29:44< mordante> well the wiki comment is human generated so should not have numbers as IDs
20110410 16:31:42< Sytyi> mordante: http://pastebin.com/RUVeANSL 
20110410 16:32:30< Sytyi> mordante: Let add parentness annotations to wiki markup. and let take info about keys from wiki markup
20110410 16:33:18< Sytyi> mordante: So then you should add info only about tag twice, key info is written onily once
20110410 16:33:37< mordante> a question the Keys: in the @Tag is that intended or not?
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20110410 16:35:11< Sytyi> mordante: I think yes, that will be a sign of Key table beginning.  
20110410 16:35:52< Sytyi> mordante: Wiki  comment can contain more than one table, so we need any sigh of key table.
20110410 16:36:02< mordante> also regarding your proposal, it would be nice if the style is a bit more unified, not @Tag uses @Tag/@EndTag and the rest of the formatting @begin{foo}/@end{foo}
20110410 16:36:37< mordante> true but you can already parse the kind of table, in this case a config table
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20110410 16:38:39< Sytyi> mordante: yes.  and I dont think about unifying @Tag. It will come to me only in a few days. thanks  
20110410 16:38:50< Sytyi> mordante: Of coursem there should be unification
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20110410 16:40:10< mordante> Sytyi, ok good
20110410 16:40:27< Sytyi> mordante: maybe some @start{tag} @end{tag}. 
20110410 16:41:22< mordante> yes that would be nice
20110410 16:41:34< Sytyi> mordante: I must finish current work ,and at night I will work about new view of this patch. Unfortunately, I need to write syntax pascal parser till tommorow. 
20110410 16:42:05< Sytyi> mordante: But fortunately, i can provide it to you as an example of coding. 
20110410 16:42:19< mordante> ok 
20110410 16:42:49< mordante> Sytyi, just keep in mind there still some issues in the class we debugged yesterday ;-)
20110410 16:42:53< Sytyi> mordante: My great problem is that I have an olimpiad at 15th o
20110410 16:43:10< Sytyi> mordante: I improved Them!! )) 
20110410 16:43:30< Sytyi> mordante: And I really want to show you my progress ))
20110410 16:43:38< mordante> :-)
20110410 16:43:45< mordante> are you around tomorrow evening?
20110410 16:45:08< Sytyi> mordante: Sorry my poor English I dont understand exactly, you mean will I do it til tomorrow evening or will I be in IRC. But I think both answers are Yes
20110410 16:45:41< mordante> whether you are in IRC tomorrow evening? and if so what time
20110410 16:45:52< mordante> like to discuss things a bit further with you
20110410 16:47:19< Sytyi> mordante: usually I came home at 22 30 UTC +3, but I can be in IRC from 18 00 till 21 00 utc+ 3 if you ask. 
20110410 16:48:25< mordante> ok I'm usualy around from 18:00-20:00 UTC
20110410 16:49:22< Sytyi> mordante: great. Usually I come home and open IRC 10 minutes after you say good night, so I '' ll come earlier ))
20110410 16:49:36< mordante> great :-)
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20110410 18:40:54< CIA-82> mordante * r49172 /trunk/ (10 files in 5 dirs): 
20110410 18:40:54< CIA-82> Add a new give_control command.
20110410 18:40:54< CIA-82> Applies patch #2625 with some minor modifications.
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20110410 18:41:35< mordante> timotei, if you have time you can post your MSVC warnings, will have some time to look at them
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20110410 18:48:47< CIA-82> mordante * r49173 /trunk/ (27 files in 7 dirs): Add new gui2 iterator framework.
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20110410 19:05:31< mordante> I'm off bye
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20110410 19:22:02< noy> Does anybody know what the acronym RATE stands for? 
20110410 19:22:07< noy> it has to do with costs...
20110410 19:25:15< Soliton> resistances at the end and it has to do with damage calculation.
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20110410 19:26:03< noy> hah
20110410 19:26:06< noy> wrong RATE
20110410 19:26:22< noy> Should have remembered there is a wesnoth application
20110410 19:26:31< Gambit> shikadibot: RATE?
20110410 19:26:31< shikadibot> Gambit: Sorry, I don't know what "RATE" means...
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20110410 19:34:22< Soliton> well, if it has nothing to do with wesnoth it'd probably help to get some context.
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20110410 19:39:55< timotei> noy, Soliton http://www.acronymfinder.com/RATE.html
20110410 19:40:11< timotei> I think it's the: 	Run After Tax Evaders (Philippine's Bureau of Internal Revenue tax collection scheme)
20110410 19:40:23< noy> yeah... I looked there
20110410 19:40:25< noy> thanks 
20110410 19:40:29< timotei> yw
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20110410 19:50:31< MGoods|RangerM> No sign of Crab_ today or yesterday that i've seen :(, does anyone know if he's normally on on mondays?
20110410 19:52:28< Soliton> he was on yesterday and today and will probably be on tomorrow as well.
20110410 19:52:51< MGoods|RangerM> oh, do you know when he was on? I must've missed him
20110410 19:53:04< MGoods|RangerM> And more importantly when h'll be on tomorrow
20110410 19:53:08< Soliton> wesbot: seen Crab_
20110410 19:53:08< wesbot> Soliton: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 10h 7m ago.  9h 43m ago person left: "I'm a happy Miranda IM user! Get it here: http://miranda-im.org"
20110410 19:53:28< MGoods|RangerM> Ah, 9am, before i was awake, thanks
20110410 19:53:31< Soliton> really, it'd be much easier if you'd just ask your question.
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20110410 19:54:29< MGoods|RangerM> Eh, would rather talk to him, but I suppose that something is better than nothing, best get the basics at least
20110410 19:55:19< Soliton> he will answer you once he knows the question. it is very hard to do before.
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20110410 19:55:42< MGoods|RangerM> Crab_: can you point me at some suitable patches to go with my GSoC proposal? The feedback I got suggested that I should ask you about which ones to work on.
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20110410 20:03:52< vjoe> hey shadowmaster, are you around?
20110410 20:04:09< vjoe> do you have an example map file for https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?17956 ?
20110410 20:06:26< Soliton> pretty much any map should have starting locations.
20110410 20:07:39< vjoe> err yeah, i will just find one in the forum
20110410 20:07:45< vjoe> silly question!
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20110410 20:08:26< Xenmen> vjoe: looks like you need more sleep too   :P
20110410 20:09:31< vjoe> eheh
20110410 20:11:46< vjoe> oh
20110410 20:11:50< vjoe> this is an interesting bug
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20110410 20:29:32< timotei> MGoods|RangerM: iirc, he was on a trip, or something like that, till Tuesday
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20110410 21:34:26< CIA-82> timotei * r49174 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/utils/ProjectUtils.java: 
20110410 21:34:26< CIA-82> eclipse plugin: Fix a null reference exception
20110410 21:34:26< CIA-82> in case the projects explorer is not created
20110410 21:34:40< CIA-82> timotei * r49175 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (Activator.java utils/WorkspaceUtils.java): eclipse plugin: The plugin should run in Eclipse Application mode too
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20110410 21:38:37< timotei> Afan_: hi
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20110410 21:39:07< timotei> ah, working on the proposal & plugin is sooooo tempting. But need to learn for the tomorrow's exam :((
20110410 21:40:14< Espreon> Need to learn? I hope you just need to study.
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20110410 21:43:42< timotei> Espreon: yeah. study :P Sorry for expressing wrong
20110410 21:43:49< timotei> expressing myself*
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20110410 21:57:50< zaroth> yay! my patch was accepted! :D
20110410 21:57:52 * zaroth dances
20110410 21:57:59< timotei> zaroth: congrats
20110410 21:58:01< timotei> :)
20110410 21:58:13< zaroth> zookeeper: around?
20110410 21:58:24< zaroth> thanks timotei :-)
20110410 21:59:10< zaroth> it had so many iterations that I was afraid it'd become a duke nukem forever for me ;-)
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20110410 22:03:57< Disruption> Hi room :)
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20110410 22:04:35< zaroth> hello Disruption
20110410 22:09:07< zookeeper> zaroth, somewhat...
20110410 22:09:42< zaroth> zookeeper: priv then :-)
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20110410 22:59:04< timotei> Afan_: hi. You could try the online chat: webchat.freenode.net
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20110410 23:28:15< Sytyi> can I make some offtopic? anyone can help to undersatand a code line not from  Wesnoth ?
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20110410 23:28:44< shadowmaster> perhaps
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20110410 23:29:56< Sytyi>  shadowmaster : if ( ( I(c) = index( GOAL(c) )) == 0 ) exit(3);
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20110410 23:30:25< Sytyi> shadowmaster: Does that checks result of assignment?
20110410 23:30:33< shadowmaster> yes
20110410 23:30:52< Sytyi> shadowmaster: thanks
20110410 23:31:52< shadowmaster> in a simpler case, if((a = 1)) always jumps into the then branch (as opposed to else) because the assignment of 1 to the variable a causes a to yield 1, which is a true value
20110410 23:32:15< nephx> the operator might be overloaded and yield something interesting :)
20110410 23:32:30< nephx> or it's not allowed to overload =?
20110410 23:32:37< Sytyi> nephx: just int values covered by Macros
20110410 23:32:56< shadowmaster> it is allowed to overload operator=, and in fact, that's very useful and commonly used for stuff such as string data types in C++
20110410 23:33:07< shadowmaster> of course, operator overload is a C++ feature that does not exist in C.
20110410 23:33:33< nephx> yeah, I dunno why I even thought it's not allowed, when I did that myself more than once :)))
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20110410 23:33:44< Sytyi> Thanks
20110410 23:33:49< shadowmaster> usually operator=() should yield *this by reference.
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20110410 23:39:15< Sytyi> shadowmaster: Trying to rewrite descending syntax parser from C to C++ and from one form of grammar to another.
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20110410 23:48:49< stikonas> Ivanovic: have you received an email from me with updated Lithuanian translations? I'm not sure that email was successfully sent...
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20110410 23:56:09< Ivanovic> stikonas: got it but no time yet to apply, will look at it tomorrow
20110410 23:56:20< stikonas> ok
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