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20110423 00:34:08< timotei> hi eoc !
20110423 00:34:16< timotei> eoc: how many proposals did you get? :)
20110423 00:34:25< eoc> heya
20110423 00:34:27< eoc> timotei: 32
20110423 00:34:33< timotei> (of course, counting just those that went through google)
20110423 00:34:34< timotei> nice:D
20110423 00:34:59 * epyon wonders what was Wesnoth's initial slot count
20110423 00:35:06< timotei> IDK
20110423 00:35:12< eoc> well, it also means rejecting quite a lot of great proposals
20110423 00:35:22< timotei> last year we had 4 slots
20110423 00:35:30< epyon> like mine xP
20110423 00:35:36< timotei> or at least there were just 4 mentors
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20110423 02:06:01< fendrin> hello
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20110423 02:51:40< dansan> Best lua practices?  So is it better to make all your lua functions that you call from WML accept the var arg ... and just define your variables in a [args] tag or have your lua function accept it's arguments normally, ending with a var arg ... so that you can use the more verbose [args] tag only when you really need to (i.e., to pass WML variables)?
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20110423 04:11:14< vultraz> I have a idea
20110423 04:13:15< vultraz> Why don't we add on option for SP camp players to have their camp show up in a special area of mp lobby reserved for such a purpose, for people to observe?
20110423 04:13:36< vultraz> you'd have no joining, just observing
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20110423 04:14:26< Appleman1234> vultraz, easier to just send them the replay
20110423 04:15:26< vultraz> well, yeah, but this way you could have people see it like and have someone to talk to for tips, etc
20110423 04:15:51< Appleman1234> hmm
20110423 04:16:10< vultraz> and for people who like mp and wish someone could watch their sp camps
20110423 04:18:27< vultraz> see it live*
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20110423 10:49:50< Ivanovic> moin
20110423 10:50:09< timotei> hi Ivanovic 
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20110423 12:16:17< timotei21> gahhhh I hate MAC osx
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20110423 12:17:57< timotei21> anyone using Mac OSX around?
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20110423 13:57:46< Ivanovic> timotei21: i used it some ages ago, what is your problem, maybe i got an idea
20110423 13:58:15< timotei21> Ivanovic: well, it seems mac wants to be ... more special and needs to build the plugin from within mac
20110423 13:58:27< timotei21> at least that's what I've understood reading tons of forums
20110423 13:58:39< Ivanovic> ugh, this sucks...
20110423 13:58:43< timotei21> atm trying to build the plugin from linux, maybe this will work
20110423 13:58:58< timotei21> otherwise I'll drop mac os support unless somebody has enough time to build it xD
20110423 13:59:07< Ivanovic> timotei21: i suppose that crimson_penguin will join in one or two hours, he might be able to tell you
20110423 13:59:09< timotei21> (or I get my virtual machine to work xD)
20110423 13:59:11< Ivanovic> tell and test
20110423 14:06:56< timotei21> lol
20110423 14:07:01< timotei21> pastebin is ... broke?
20110423 14:07:29< timotei21> hmm, actually firefox did it again, and memorised the email instead of username.... dumb
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20110423 14:39:52< epyon> timotei21, I have a mac os x laptop
20110423 14:40:22< epyon> I can try to help out later
20110423 14:40:33< epyon> (although I'm new to the system)
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20110423 14:53:32< timotei21> epyon: thanks!
20110423 14:58:54< CIA-82> timotei * r49301 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/doc_howto.html: 
20110423 14:58:54< CIA-82> Partial fix for bug #18025.
20110423 14:58:54< CIA-82> Add the link for the newly deployed mac/linux archives
20110423 14:58:54< CIA-82> which have set the executable flag.
20110423 14:59:10< CIA-82> timotei * r49302 /trunk/utils/java/update_site/doc_howto.html: 
20110423 14:59:10< CIA-82> eclipse plugin: update the links to point
20110423 14:59:10< CIA-82> to the newly updated binaries
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20110423 15:35:28< Disruption> Hi devs! :)
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20110423 15:45:24< vultraz> hey disruption
20110423 15:45:40< Disruption> hi there ^^
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20110423 15:46:02< Disruption> Only a few days until GSoC results are there, I wonder which ones out of the 22 applications will be chosen ._.
20110423 15:46:28< vultraz> BTW I'm not a dev
20110423 15:46:57< Disruption> That's ok ^^
20110423 15:47:04< vultraz> :)
20110423 15:47:18< vultraz> I'm hoping the mp one
20110423 15:47:19< vultraz> s
20110423 15:47:27< vultraz> mp needs omprovement
20110423 15:47:30< vultraz> i*
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20110423 17:09:29< Nephro> Is there someone here actually working in the gamedev sphere?
20110423 17:18:11< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49303 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 9 dirs): add plural forms to all german po files
20110423 17:18:53< Ivanovic> esr: i could use some script magic
20110423 17:19:13< esr> Ivanovic: Yes?
20110423 17:19:20< Ivanovic> esr: some way to script/check that all po files have a plural forms entry set in their header and that it is correct according to this list: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms
20110423 17:19:53< Ivanovic> just had some mail exchange with the (new) afrikaans translator and there are obviously plural forms entries missing
20110423 17:20:08< Ivanovic> just have a look at my last commit to see how adding those entries for de can look like
20110423 17:20:14< Ivanovic> but doing so manually is some tedious work...
20110423 17:20:57< esr> Ivanovic: File an FR.  U'm about to go on vacation for a week and won't have time to get to it until about next Wednesday, sorry.
20110423 17:21:11< Ivanovic> okay, no problem and enjoy your holidays
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20110423 17:31:39 * Nephro pokes Ivanovic 
20110423 17:31:50< Ivanovic> huh?
20110423 17:33:30< Nephro> Ivanovic: you busy? I am kind of bored, and want to have a conversation :)
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20110423 19:14:31< Sytyi> [offtopic] does anybody use electronic books? can you advice one? [/offtpic]
20110423 19:15:42 * Ivanovic prefers dead tree editions!
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20110423 19:18:28< Crab_> Sytyi: bought a PocketBook Pro 602 as a gift ~4 months ago, the owner seems to be happy with it.
20110423 19:19:05< Crab_> ( ah, no, just PocketBook 602, without the 'pro' part )
20110423 19:20:02< Sytyi> Crab_: thanks )) my birthday soon, and parents asked to choose a book.  
20110423 19:30:10< fendrin> hi
20110423 19:30:19< Crab_> hi, fendrin
20110423 19:31:01< fendrin> Crab_: i have a little problem.
20110423 19:32:21< Crab_> fendrin: what kind of problem ?
20110423 19:32:55< fendrin> editor/editor_controller.cpp 
20110423 19:33:28< fendrin> it's ~1800 lines of code.
20110423 19:33:52< fendrin> Nearly everything happens there, it's a superclass
20110423 19:34:48< fendrin> I would like to refactor it and split it up.
20110423 19:36:04< fendrin> So my plan is to split the inheritance first.
20110423 19:37:44< Crab_> well, 1800 is not that big
20110423 19:37:55< Crab_> are there any other issues apart from size ?
20110423 19:38:28< fendrin> Well, I lost the overview somehow.
20110423 19:39:29< Crab_> yes, it's easier to write code that to read it. but still, I'd search for issues in current code first.
20110423 19:40:12< Crab_> since refactor 'just to split it' is not that useful (you can just split it into multiple .cpp files without changing inheritance/structure and it will work, the files will be smaller)
20110423 19:41:26< Crab_> alternatively, you can encapsulate various bits of functionality into helper objects
20110423 19:41:47< Crab_> for example, we have /** All available brushes */ std::vector<brush> brushes_;
20110423 19:42:27< Crab_> and we have code to init_brushes, to reset the brush bar, to cycle brushes, all in editor_controller.cpp
20110423 19:43:02< Crab_> you can encapsulate that vector and those init/reset/cycle functions into a helper object, which will live in a separate file, like a 'editor::brush_manager'
20110423 19:43:16< Crab_> then, editor_controller.cpp will become slightly smaller
20110423 19:43:55< fendrin> That is a good idea, I will do that.
20110423 19:44:10< Crab_> just try to find 'most useful' parts first
20110423 19:44:45< Crab_> since the brushes code is ~10-15 lines, no more
20110423 19:45:11< fendrin> What I planed in particular was crating a class that inherits from mouse_handler_base called editor_mouse_handler.
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20110423 19:46:52< Crab_> well, I don't know for sure ) the file looks good to me )
20110423 19:47:16< Crab_> of course, it's only 1450 lines in my checkout )
20110423 19:47:20< fendrin> Crab_: That is because you have not looked in the one of the editor branch :-)
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20110423 19:47:39< fendrin> Believe me, it's getting worse there.
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20110423 19:47:52< Crab_> I'll take a look
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20110423 19:48:14< fendrin> And I don't want to have all those handlers and registers around.
20110423 19:48:50< fendrin> s/registers/methods that register or initialize events and handlers.
20110423 19:49:21< Crab_> looking at the diff
20110423 19:51:06< Crab_> ok, I see
20110423 19:51:33< fendrin> I can clean up a bit but there is still ~400 lines or more to implement.
20110423 19:52:33< Crab_> I think that some parts  of the new code looks out-of-place there, since they are not directly related with map editor functionality
20110423 19:52:42< Crab_> i.e.  void editor_controller::new_side_dialog()
20110423 19:53:22< Crab_> so, I suggest you to modify the approach to make it possible to touch that editor_controller file less often.
20110423 19:53:47< Crab_> i.e., make a helper class which will encapsulate your new functionality, and wire it in the editor code
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20110423 19:54:04< Crab_> wire it in in the way that would allow you to add new useful stuff without having to touch editor_controller.cpp
20110423 19:54:41< Crab_> i.e., if you provide 30 new right-click menu actions, let your helper class contain a method to get a list of them, and use it in editor_controller
20110423 19:55:05< Crab_> then none of those 30 new actions would be known to the editor_controller, it'll just ask your helper class for a list
20110423 19:55:39< Crab_> i.e. build hooks ( extension points) in editor code 
20110423 19:55:43< Crab_> and then use them from other files.
20110423 19:56:04< Crab_> that way you will not need to touch that file once you write your extension points.
20110423 19:56:14< Crab_> what do you think ?
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20110423 19:56:43< fendrin> I think that the hotkey/event handling system of gui0/gui1 is not up to what you suggest.
20110423 19:57:00< fendrin> Not without heavily hacking around some limitations.
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20110423 19:57:57< fendrin> Hotkeys life in hotkeys.cpp they are hardcoded there. 
20110423 19:58:39< fendrin> The mechansims throughs them to the inheritent of controller_base and or mouse_handler.
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20110423 20:00:54< Crab_> only the list of hotkeys is more-or-less hardcoded with current approach. the actual execution can be delegated
20110423 20:02:03< Crab_> i.e. you weren't complaining about hotkeys in the first place
20110423 20:02:43< Crab_> it's editor_controller::can_execute_command and editor_controller::execute_command which can be modified
20110423 20:03:49< Crab_> and it's easy, i.e. in editor_controller::execute_command  , do       "if (helper.can_execute_command(command,index)) { return execute_command(command,index) } ...     "
20110423 20:04:03< Crab_> so, the editor will just delegate all extra stuff
20110423 20:04:25< Crab_> and in editor_controller::can_execute_command, ask the helper, too.
20110423 20:04:45< fendrin> I see.
20110423 20:04:58< Crab_> you can reuse current switches logic
20110423 20:05:09< Crab_> just fallback not to default controller, but to your controller
20110423 20:05:39< Crab_> i.e. instead of  return controller_base::execute_command(command, index); do  " return helper.execute_command(command,index) "
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20110423 20:06:15< Crab_> but it will make it necessary to insert a new class in the inheritance hierarchy, yes
20110423 20:07:00< Crab_> so, your approach of 'crating a class that inherits from mouse_handler_base called editor_mouse_handler.' will work
20110423 20:08:16< fendrin> I guess I will prototype a dirty hack and see how things come out.
20110423 20:08:26< fendrin> And experiment with your suggestions.
20110423 20:08:37< fendrin> After that a good plan and rewrite will do it.
20110423 20:08:57< Crab_> well, it won't be a dirty hack, it's more or less in line with current system
20110423 20:09:07< Crab_> but there are issues
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20110423 20:09:39< Crab_> if your editor_mouse_handler will be a superclass of the editor_controller, you'll have to pull up some state from editor_controller to it
20110423 20:09:49< Crab_> since your actions might need access to that state
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20110423 20:10:53< Crab_> it's a problem this way, actually
20110423 20:10:57< Crab_> since you're extending the edtor
20110423 20:11:22< Crab_> and if you add a new editor_mouse_handler, and use it for your new stuff, then, in fact, 'editor will extend your code' :)
20110423 20:11:32< Crab_> it's way cleaner to subclass the editor.
20110423 20:11:58< Crab_> i.e. class scenario_editor_controller : editor_controller {};
20110423 20:12:18< Crab_> since then you'll have access to *all* the editor functionality
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20110423 20:12:46< Crab_> fendrin: what do you think of this one ?
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20110423 20:15:57< fendrin> Crab_: Sounds good.
20110423 20:16:03< fendrin> Crab_: I will experiment.
20110423 20:16:08< Crab_> ok, good luck
20110423 20:16:11< fendrin> Thank you :-)
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20110423 20:23:22< Crab_> fendrin: of course, it makes sense to refactor the hotkey system itself.
20110423 20:24:08< Crab_> fendrin: since it's possible to write it in a way which will allow for dynamic/scoped hotkeys, which would not impose any constraints on the architecture of the system.
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20110423 20:27:28< Crab_> fendrin: it's just that each hotkey needs 2 parts - 'hotkey information' part which needs to be global and always in scoepe, and a function reference part which lives only within some scope (i.e. in a particular editor controller )
20110423 20:28:29< Crab_> fendrin: and current design only allows 1 'function reference' part to live, so the common solution is to make up a chain of controllers (usually as part of an inheritance hierarchy)
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