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20110425 00:02:48< beetlenaut> Units' traits, exgept for "loyal", are not displayed in the current SVN. I don't know when they went missing though.
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20110425 02:58:07< Espreon> ... and it's probably somehow my fault.
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20110425 03:05:28< shadowmaster> Espreon: if you know something we don't, well, tell us
20110425 03:05:59< Espreon> No, I'm just being really negative, as usual.
20110425 03:06:08< Espreon> I checked my commits, and it doesn't fool around with sidebar stuff.
20110425 03:06:12< shadowmaster> That kind of negativity isn't really helpful.
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20110425 04:02:58< shadowmaster> The good news is that the data is not forgotten.
20110425 04:05:56< Espreon> The bad news?
20110425 04:07:58< shadowmaster> shikadibot: log 49222
20110425 04:08:03< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 49222 (upthorn) on Fri Apr 15 23:03:01 2011:
20110425 04:08:03< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Only call add_trait_description if the trait actually has a description. Otherwise we crash on windows for undescribed traits.
20110425 04:08:06< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=49222
20110425 04:08:16< shadowmaster> Not bad news per se, but this causes the problem.
20110425 04:08:29< Espreon> Hmmmm...
20110425 04:09:26< shadowmaster> shikadibot: tag 1.9.6
20110425 04:10:00< shadowmaster> shikadibot: tag 1.9.5
20110425 04:10:01< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Tag 1.9.5, revision 49020 (ivanovic) on Sun Mar 27 12:44:38 2011:
20110425 04:10:04< shikadibot> shadowmaster: tagged 1.9.5, using r49019
20110425 04:10:05< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=49020
20110425 04:15:46< shadowmaster> shikadibot: seen Upthorn
20110425 04:15:47< shikadibot> shadowmaster: The person with the nick Upthorn 4h 41m ago they left with the message: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
20110425 04:15:56< shadowmaster> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18068
20110425 04:16:19< shadowmaster> beetlenaut , Espreon  ^
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20110425 04:50:52< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions | Official Multiplayer Server Outage by Development Team at 04-25-2011 02:43:02 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=33656&p=486590#p486590
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20110425 06:30:34< beetlenaut> shadowmaster: Thanks for doing that. If I had done the bug report, it would have been much less informative.
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20110425 08:58:09< mordante> servus
20110425 09:09:53< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20110425 09:10:00< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20110425 09:19:31< CIA-82> mordante * r49307 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/mp_connect.cpp: Add a missing include for clang.
20110425 09:19:39< CIA-82> mordante * r49308 /trunk/src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: 
20110425 09:19:39< CIA-82> Fix an initialization order issue.
20110425 09:19:39< CIA-82> Fixes a clang warning.
20110425 09:19:44< CIA-82> mordante * r49309 /trunk/CMakeLists.txt: 
20110425 09:19:44< CIA-82> Fix a compilation error with cmake.
20110425 09:19:44< CIA-82> When the game is disabled from the command line the unit tests no longer
20110425 09:19:44< CIA-82> compiled. When using cmake normally the game is automatically enabled
20110425 09:19:45< CIA-82> and disabling it afterwards doesn't introduce the bug.
20110425 09:19:57< CIA-82> mordante * r49310 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt src/CMakeLists.txt): 
20110425 09:19:57< CIA-82> Add some support for the clang compiler.
20110425 09:19:57< CIA-82> It fails to link some standard libraries.
20110425 09:19:57< CIA-82> Forcing files to be C++ files doesn't set the proper compiler switches
20110425 09:19:57< CIA-82> for clang.
20110425 09:19:57< CIA-82> Tested with clang 2.9, there are still compilation errors to be sorted
20110425 09:19:58< CIA-82> out.
20110425 09:19:59< CIA-82> mordante * r49311 /trunk/src/ana/src/asio_server.cpp: Fix some shadowed variable names.
20110425 09:19:59< CIA-82> mordante * r49312 /trunk/src/display.cpp: Initialize all members.
20110425 09:20:00< CIA-82> mordante * r49313 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
20110425 09:20:02< CIA-82> Fix some linking issues.
20110425 09:20:02< CIA-82> While testing clang ran into a linker issue in cmake. This patch reverts
20110425 09:20:02< CIA-82> r48086 and fixes the issue properly for both cmake and scons.
20110425 09:20:03< CIA-82> The patch has been tested with r48086 using autotools, cmake and scons
20110425 09:20:03< CIA-82> and all systems worked propely. So if somebody cares it would be
20110425 09:20:04< CIA-82> possible to re-add autotools.
20110425 09:20:04< CIA-82> mordante * r49314 /trunk/src/serialization/ (string_utils.cpp string_utils.hpp): Move definitions to the implementation.
20110425 09:20:05< CIA-82> mordante * r49315 /trunk/src/ai/testing/ca.cpp: 
20110425 09:20:15< CIA-82> Use empty() instead of comparing size() with 0.
20110425 09:20:15< CIA-82> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110425 09:20:15< CIA-82> mordante * r49316 /trunk/src/attack_prediction.cpp: 
20110425 09:20:15< CIA-82> Use empty() instead of comparing size() with 0.
20110425 09:20:15< CIA-82> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110425 09:20:15< CIA-82> mordante * r49317 /trunk/src/image.cpp: 
20110425 09:20:16< CIA-82> Use empty() instead of comparing size() with 0.
20110425 09:20:17< CIA-82> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110425 09:20:17< CIA-82> mordante * r49318 /trunk/src/language.cpp: 
20110425 09:20:18< CIA-82> Use empty() instead of comparing size() with 0.
20110425 09:20:18< CIA-82> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110425 09:21:36< timotei> morning mordante 
20110425 09:21:41< mordante> hi timotei 
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20110425 10:18:57< Ivanovic> moin
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20110425 10:27:26< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110425 10:51:52< Ivanovic> Crab___: any news regarding 1.8?
20110425 10:53:27< Crab___> no good news so far, haven't finished yet.
20110425 10:53:45< Ivanovic> okay
20110425 10:54:41< Crab___> let me know as soon as you set up a release date
20110425 10:54:57< Ivanovic> it completely depends on you
20110425 10:55:07< Ivanovic> the date is basically: 8 days after you commit your string changes
20110425 10:55:24< Crab___> ok, understood
20110425 10:55:41< Ivanovic> (since i run the pot-update after the changes and translators got (at least) 7 days to get them fixed)
20110425 10:55:55< Crab___> then I'll commit in a few days
20110425 10:56:03< Ivanovic> okay
20110425 10:56:28< eoc> Ivanovic: just curious, have you always had this margin of 7 days or was it more in the beginning?
20110425 10:56:29< Ivanovic> deekay: have you heard anything about progress with the khalifate?
20110425 10:56:39< Ivanovic> eoc: this is just something for stable releases
20110425 10:57:01< Ivanovic> eoc: since many translations are (close) to complete there and they need some warning and time to get the stuff refixed
20110425 10:57:11< eoc> we need to do our next update after SoC results are in, so it will be rather huge, but still want to show what we achieved as soon as possible :)
20110425 10:57:31< Ivanovic> so i introduced the rule "if there are string changes/additions in a stable series, you have at least one week before a release with them is out"
20110425 10:57:48< Ivanovic> for dev releases there is no such rule
20110425 10:58:12< Ivanovic> and the deadline for updates for the *start* of a new stable series is also known to translators
20110425 10:58:24< Ivanovic> (plus there is a longer string freeze before, so that they can catch up)
20110425 10:58:30< eoc> ah, okay, we don't even distinugish between those. perhaps we should follow a fixed deadline, too ;-)
20110425 10:58:59< Ivanovic> ah, it is not this much of a fixed deadline, more of "after those 7 days, the release can happen any time"
20110425 10:59:23< Ivanovic> or "the new stable series won't be tagged before ABC, so make sure anything you want to have in for sure is sent in by then"
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20110425 11:01:08< eoc> since we update our .pot files on the fly after changing some parts, announcing 'please take care of the new strings each week' would wear off soon
20110425 11:01:14< deekay> Ivanovic:  I saw some movement on the forums (pms) few weeks ago, but I'm quite off-sync cause of load of work (full time atm)
20110425 11:01:29< Ivanovic> okay, deekay
20110425 11:01:43< deekay> I may talk to noy about status once I see him.
20110425 11:01:49< Ivanovic> eoc: in general in a stable branch there are close to no changes
20110425 11:01:55< Ivanovic> only some really slight bug fixes
20110425 11:02:34< Ivanovic> so there is just the warning after the pot-update that some stuff was changes
20110425 11:03:13< Ivanovic> for dev versions there is no warning or whatever for pot-updates
20110425 11:03:37< Ivanovic> Upthorn: you saw the bug assigend to you?
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20110425 11:04:00< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18068
20110425 11:04:22< Upthorn> I see it
20110425 11:05:26< Upthorn> the revision fixed a crash to desktop on traits lacking a name
20110425 11:05:40< Upthorn> in windows
20110425 11:05:51< Ivanovic> so a different approach probably has to be taken
20110425 11:06:10< Ivanovic> since having the traits vanish from the side bar is not good either
20110425 11:06:13< Upthorn> I'm investigating other approaches to fixing that bug, but it is probably best just to roll-back that revision for now
20110425 11:06:24< Upthorn> (sigh)
20110425 11:15:09< Upthorn> well, I'll keep looking. If I don't find an answer before I'm about to sleep, I'll commit a reversion
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20110425 11:20:05< Ivanovic> sounds good to me
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20110425 11:26:43< Upthorn> Ivanovic: would it be acceptable behavior if traits without a name attribute fall back to their id attribute for a name?
20110425 11:27:09< Ivanovic> ehm, you know that traits are/have to be translateable?
20110425 11:27:16< Ivanovic> why not use this very tranlateable value?
20110425 11:27:33< Upthorn> well the problem is traits that have no names or descriptions
20110425 11:28:00< Ivanovic> do you have any example for me (meaning file+line numbers)
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20110425 11:29:24< Upthorn> data/ai/scenarios/scenario-lua-ai.cfg lines 98-104
20110425 11:29:37< Upthorn> also 105-111
20110425 11:29:52< Upthorn> Ivanovic: ^
20110425 11:30:39< Ivanovic> okay, those are clearly not traits to be displayed at all
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20110425 11:31:11< Upthorn> in windows
20110425 11:31:17< Upthorn> the WML parser chokes on those
20110425 11:32:23< Upthorn> and the game crashes to desktop
20110425 11:32:31< Upthorn> at least if it was compiled in msvc9
20110425 11:32:40< Ivanovic> looking at what has to be there as "displayed traits": basically every trait with a male_name OR female_name
20110425 11:33:08< Ivanovic> the question is where the parser crashes
20110425 11:33:27< Ivanovic> is it a plain "display problem" or is it already at parsing time?
20110425 11:33:27< Upthorn> in unit::add_trait_description
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20110425 11:34:42< Upthorn> We are moved to tears / covered in a thick cheese sauce / get ready to rock. / life is like a hurricane / I'm a Pooka merchant, miss!
20110425 11:34:51< Upthorn> sorry, hit the wrong key
20110425 11:34:59< Upthorn> at parsing time, in either trait_names_.push_back(name) or trait_descriptions_.push_back(description)
20110425 11:35:10< Upthorn> was trying for underscore, got shift-f12
20110425 11:37:16< Upthorn> that crash only happens in vc9-compiled windows binary prior to revision 49222
20110425 11:38:00< Ivanovic> in this revision you only moved the "add description part" into "if (!mod_description.empty()) {", correct?
20110425 11:38:19< zookeeper> traits without names should remain invisible
20110425 11:38:42< Upthorn> right.
20110425 11:39:14< Ivanovic> so if this *was* a possible approach (and the stuff not empty) the descriptions would still show
20110425 11:40:18< Ivanovic> sadly it is perfectly fine that the description is empty and the string still appearing
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20110425 11:42:46< Ivanovic> Upthorn: which line exactly broke vc++ builds there?
20110425 11:42:55< Ivanovic> the adding if possible empty descritpions?
20110425 11:44:24< Ivanovic> or could it be that there is some check in the displaying routine that checks if a trait has a description defined and only displays if this is available?
20110425 11:44:28< Upthorn> I seem to recall it as being one of the .push_backs (lines 2620 and 2621)
20110425 11:44:43< Upthorn> but testing indicats that it's actually 2619 if (!name.empty()) {
20110425 11:44:46< {V}> Ivanovic, did I just read that correctly? there's going to be another 1.8.x release?
20110425 11:45:01< Ivanovic> {V}: yes, you read correctly
20110425 11:45:02< Upthorn> and
20110425 11:45:13< Ivanovic> there will be a last, most likely very final, 1.8.x release
20110425 11:45:14< Upthorn> it goes away if I change name from const t_string& to const t_string
20110425 11:45:35< {V}> Ivanovic, any chance the fix from r45510 will be included ?
20110425 11:45:49< Ivanovic> wesbot: log r45510
20110425 11:45:51< wesbot> silene * r45510 : Fixed segfault in the animation code caused by a triggered level end required just before moving a unit with WML code after having changed the objectives.Objective display has been moved out of the animation code and into a randomly-chosen function. The target function is probably not the most sensible choice, but the upside is that it should be called at all the important times.
20110425 11:45:57< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=45510
20110425 11:46:30< Ivanovic> {V}: no idea if someone has already backported this to branches/1.8
20110425 11:46:41< Ivanovic> basically this is required to have the fix included in 1.8.6
20110425 11:46:56< Ivanovic> since it is animation code you could ask boucman about it
20110425 11:47:27< {V}> thanks
20110425 11:48:19< Upthorn> sleep.
20110425 11:48:20< CIA-82> upthorn * r49319 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: Reverted r49222, since displaying traits without descriptions is desired behavior. Re-fixed MSVC9 crash-on-unnamed-trait bug in a different manner.
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20110425 11:49:44< Ivanovic> n8 Upthorn
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20110425 13:47:42< zaroth> hello everybody :-)
20110425 13:47:51< {V}> 'lo zaroth
20110425 13:50:01< Espreon> Ic grete eow.
20110425 13:50:20< champ> Crab__: hi.
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20110425 14:48:40< Crab___> champ: hi
20110425 14:48:57< champ> Crab__: I'm sorry that I'm so busy with school work last week, I'm back now.
20110425 14:49:41< Crab___> schoolwork tends to happen, sometimes ;)
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20110425 14:51:16< champ> Crab___: I still find it hard to do the task, as i think i need some basic knowledge of lua.
20110425 14:53:04< champ> Crab__: GCObject is a union, right? How does it work?
20110425 14:54:21< champ> Crab___: GCObject is a union, right? How does it work?
20110425 14:56:10< Crab___> it's part of lua internals, part of lua garbage collection routines
20110425 14:56:43< Crab___> I don't think we need to use it directly
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20110425 14:57:57< champ> Crab___: OK, I just want to know the lua system from bottom up.
20110425 14:57:58< Crab_> for the 'how does it work' question, it is used in a c-style way to form something like a c++ inheritance hierarchy
20110425 14:58:37< Crab_> basically, each struct that we need to garbage collect, includes a define at the start which leads to compiler to include the same 'header' part in the struct, at same offsets
20110425 14:59:05< Crab_> so, the other code, when dealing with those structures, can just treat all those structures in a similar way
20110425 15:00:15< champ> Crab___: I just don't understand the union has a pointer and data in it at the same time.
20110425 15:00:50< champ> union has only one object space in memory right?
20110425 15:01:04< mordante> hi zaroth 
20110425 15:01:27< champ> or the header is aother stand-alone part in the union?
20110425 15:07:18< Crab_> yes, one space in memory
20110425 15:07:52< Crab_> so, depending on the circumstances, it might be a pointer or something else
20110425 15:08:54< Crab_> for example, it's possible create a quite effecient O(1) memory allocator for objects of same size, by keeping a chain of free objects, forming the chain using pointers stored inside those objects.
20110425 15:16:11< champ> Crab_: Thanks, I'll think it over again. I'm going to review the lua 5.1 code to get to know the lua_state and the entire basic, I think I need about 2 days to do this. Thanks again. Maybe I'll have more questions to ask. :-]
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20110425 15:16:26< Crab_> ok
20110425 15:17:01< champ> :-) 
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20110425 15:35:27< timotei> mordante: are there some "unwritten" rules when to mark a method's parameter as reference? (except the case when it can't be null)
20110425 15:36:42< zaroth> hello mordante
20110425 15:37:13< timotei> ok, about 6 hours till results announced
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20110425 15:37:35< zaroth> vultraz: concerning observing SP campaigns on MP server, you may be interested in my GSoC proposal, maybe you'll be able to provide some nice comments on it?
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20110425 15:39:14< zaroth> since the SP campaigns will be basically local MP campaigns after these changes, I don't see any problems on players playing their SP campaigns on server if they want to ;-)
20110425 15:39:33< zaroth> of course, there may be some inconveniences related to it, vide current server state
20110425 15:41:43< Crab_> zaroth: it should be possible to do with the new design
20110425 15:42:48< zaroth> that's what I'm telling vultraz :-)
20110425 15:43:34< vultraz> taking a look
20110425 15:43:35< zaroth> Crab_: by the way, thanks for assigning a patch to me, I feel honored
20110425 15:45:28< Crab_> zaroth: :))))
20110425 15:45:46< timotei> zaroth: you'll be more "honored" when you'll get a ton of bugs assigned to you ;)
20110425 15:46:00< vultraz> lol
20110425 15:46:05< timotei> >P
20110425 15:46:08< timotei> just kidding
20110425 15:46:09< zaroth> well... I think I can live without this second form of honor...
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20110425 15:46:31< Crab_> zaroth: well, then it's better to code cleanly from the start :))
20110425 15:46:32< zaroth> but it's life ;-)
20110425 15:46:35< Crab_> yeah
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20110425 15:46:49< mordante> timotei, depends if yo want to modify the parameter in the caller you need a reference or a pointer
20110425 15:47:22< mordante> timotei, a const reference can be used if it's a larger data structure, which is more efficient as copying
20110425 15:48:02< timotei> mordante: ok, thanks
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20110425 15:48:22< timotei> grr... 3 GIGAS already filled. Where I shall open a virtual machine then?
20110425 15:48:23< mordante> zaroth, luckily if you code without any bug, we'll find other bugs to assign to you :-P
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20110425 17:06:35< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49320 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-did/pt_BR.po): updated Portuguese (Brazil) translation
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20110425 17:31:45< vultraz> is Wesnoth shooting for the GCI 2011 after the GSoC?
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20110425 17:36:17< CIA-82> ai0867 * r49321 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Fix grass transitions creeping in on keeps
20110425 17:36:33< mordante> vultraz, if there is a GCI 2011 we probably will try to apply
20110425 17:36:49< vultraz> :)
20110425 17:36:50< vultraz> good
20110425 17:38:46< mordante> you want to join then?
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20110425 17:44:35< timotei> vultraz: hi. do you use Eclipse on Mac?
20110425 17:45:04< timotei> I hate Apple. They should let users run their OS in a VM. I would buy a license if that would be possible
20110425 17:45:24< timotei> but unless you give 3-4 times more than on normal pc for their hardware, I hate them
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20110425 17:51:30< Alarantalara> Timotei: Darwin with X probably runs in a VM. I don't know if it would resolve everything, but you could test the OS X kernel that way.
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20110425 18:04:51< timotei> Alarantalara: yes. it runs, but since I don't have processor with hardware virtualization.... I can't test mac os version greater than .. 10.5.5 or so
20110425 18:05:04< timotei> and again, because apple is stupid prefers to manage itself the updates to java
20110425 18:05:29< timotei> it likes to maintain a closed ecosystem managed entirely byt itself... so blargh
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20110425 18:10:24< timotei> Alarantalara: not to mention another stupid thing:"Java SE 6 is available on 64-bit, Intel-based Macs only."
20110425 18:10:49< Alarantalara> oh, yes. I forgot about that part
20110425 18:11:25< timotei> unless I mess my own notebook - not too fast anyway - I won't be able to test anything on mac :P
20110425 18:11:45< timotei> but hmm
20110425 18:11:55< timotei> a light has just blinked
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20110425 18:12:42< timotei> the umc plugin uses java se 6. java se 6 uses 64 bit. That means my plugin won't work on 32 bit macs
20110425 18:12:42< timotei> lol
20110425 18:12:48< timotei> need to add that in documentation.
20110425 18:12:51< timotei> fabi: ^
20110425 18:13:46< Alarantalara> doesn't Ecplise use its own VM though?
20110425 18:13:55< timotei> no
20110425 18:14:03< timotei> well, it uses any JDK/JRE is available
20110425 18:14:10< timotei> sun's
20110425 18:14:33< timotei> and one of the java se 5 thingys was that it doesn't have! string.empty() haha
20110425 18:14:37< timotei> so yeahz
20110425 18:15:04< fabi> timotei: using java6 was a good decision.
20110425 18:16:10< timotei> fabi: I think I need a big: Prerequisites section on the plugin's documentation lol :))
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20110425 18:19:25< Alarantalara> sorry, I was thinking of the incremental compiler
20110425 18:20:02< timotei> crimson_penguin: hi there!
20110425 18:20:10< timotei> crimson_penguin: are you using a 64bit mac os?
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20110425 18:21:58< Alarantalara> I suppose I should confess that I am using a 64-bit mac os
20110425 18:22:29< timotei> Alarantalara: does the standalone plugin work for you too?
20110425 18:22:40< Alarantalara> I haven't tried it
20110425 18:23:20< timotei> Alarantalara: could you? :) Just download & unzip & run it. If it pops a welcome message box it's fine :)
20110425 18:23:37< tschmitz> It's the big day isn't it?
20110425 18:23:47< tschmitz> Today?
20110425 18:23:50< timotei> tschmitz: yep :)
20110425 18:24:01< timotei> almost 3 hours ETA :-
20110425 18:24:02< timotei> :-S
20110425 18:24:07< tschmitz> timotei: Too bad I'm doing a programming assignment instead
20110425 18:24:22< Alarantalara> Sure, just a minute
20110425 18:24:37< timotei> tschmitz: trust me. It's *very* good to have something to work in the meantime. Otherwise you might die from too much adrenaline
20110425 18:24:51< tschmitz> perhaps more accurately, too bad I've *been* doing programming assignments all weekend
20110425 18:24:53< timotei> tschmitz: and I mean it ;)
20110425 18:24:57< timotei> oh
20110425 18:25:03< timotei> well, it's fine.
20110425 18:25:26< timotei> If you did your GSOC related stuff till last week, I guess it was more than enough for the mentors to decide :D
20110425 18:26:00< Alarantalara> It looks good so far. The loading dialog looked very strange, but I'm going through the Preferences dialog now.
20110425 18:26:13< timotei> not to mention that, maybe if gabba went in for the whiteboard, and you're the single one for wb, you have pretty high chances :P
20110425 18:26:23< tschmitz> Heh, well however much it was, it'll be enough for them to decide. We've yet to see, though, in whose favor their decision will be ...
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20110425 18:28:29< timotei> hmm, actually it seems there's another guy on WB. But I haven't seen him around so...
20110425 18:29:30< Alarantalara> Checking your requirements list, I'm surprised it worked as well as it did: I'm still running version 3.3 of Ecplise
20110425 18:29:44< Alarantalara> I've been too lazy to update it
20110425 18:29:50 * {V} reads the PatchSubmissionGuidelines
20110425 18:29:52< timotei> Alarantalara: hmm... really?
20110425 18:29:53< {V}> is "Add yourself in about.cfg" required? It's for a patch for a backport. Just applying the exact changes from the earlier revision were enough.
20110425 18:30:14< timotei> {V}: why not?
20110425 18:30:15< timotei>  :)
20110425 18:30:27< tschmitz> {V}: That way someone else won't have to add you
20110425 18:31:06< {V}> timotei, 'cause it's basically someone elses work. again :)
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20110425 18:31:13< {V}> tschmitz, okay.
20110425 18:31:19< mordante> {V}, adding yourself to about.cfg is not required
20110425 18:31:48< timotei> {V}: if it's another work and you just backport I think you don't need to :P
20110425 18:32:18< {V}> thanks, mordante, timotei
20110425 18:32:43< mordante> in general if you don't want it you don't need to
20110425 18:32:55< mordante> I deemed my first patches to be too minor to be listed
20110425 18:33:23< timotei> Alarantalara: tbh I use 3.6 for a very little small thingy. so yeah, unless you step using it, you will be fine with 3.3
20110425 18:34:03< Alarantalara> That would explain it
20110425 18:34:16< timotei> Alarantalara: the reason for 3.6 was more that the xtext library I use it's already in their repos, and it's better that eclipse fetch that automatically rather than instruct the user to install it by itself ;)
20110425 18:37:09< timotei> Alarantalara: and yes, backward compatiblity is an awesome thing for eclipse. In visual studio or other IDEs, upgrading the version to a later one would make the project unopenable in older versions
20110425 18:37:37< timotei> mordante: btw, that C++ Faq website is just awesome. :D
20110425 18:37:49< Alarantalara> timotei: I am running into problems setting the Wesnoth executable path, though
20110425 18:38:15< mordante> timotei, yes, it's really worth the effort to read it entirely
20110425 18:38:26< timotei> Alarantalara: what kind?
20110425 18:38:40< timotei> Alarantalara: it requires a file but the Mac Apps are just folders? xD
20110425 18:39:05< Alarantalara> timotei: it clears the path every time I set it
20110425 18:39:13< Alarantalara> and Mac Apps are folders
20110425 18:39:38< Alarantalara> I could set it to the internal executable, but I don't think the averga euser is likely to be able to do that
20110425 18:40:42< Alarantalara> timotei: It doesn't like the internal link either
20110425 18:41:59< Alarantalara> looks like a typo on my part, though
20110425 18:43:20< timotei> xD
20110425 18:43:33< timotei> well, there is a browse button, doesn't it work?
20110425 18:44:33< Alarantalara> no, because the OS treats a app folder like a file, so I managed to succeed by opening the package within the Finder, then dragging the application into the dialog
20110425 18:44:52< Alarantalara> no I have to set the working directory while trying to override the incorrect default
20110425 18:45:00< Alarantalara> *now I....
20110425 18:47:05< timotei> Alarantalara: well, it won't reset that
20110425 18:47:14< timotei> I mean, at first it suggessts a set of paths
20110425 18:47:20< timotei> but you are free to update them
20110425 18:47:31< timotei> if you entered a certain text in other textboxes, it won't override the values
20110425 18:48:01< Alarantalara> timotei: It may have been because of a / following the directory name
20110425 18:48:37< Alarantalara> timotei: so it treated it as being invalid and went back to the default
20110425 18:49:45< Alarantalara> timotei: any way it's happy with Wesnoth.app/Contents/MacOS/Wesnoth for the executable path and Wesnoth.app/Contents/Resources for the working directory
20110425 18:50:19< Alarantalara> timotei: with a suitable prefix of course
20110425 18:51:16< timotei> Alarantalara: ok.
20110425 18:51:29< timotei> so Wesnoth.app doesn't work?
20110425 18:51:30< timotei> >-S
20110425 18:51:31< timotei> :-S*
20110425 18:52:02< timotei> hmm, in the paths file for the plugin:
20110425 18:52:02< timotei> # Machintosh possible paths for wesnoth's executable
20110425 18:52:05< timotei> 	/Applications/Wesnoth.app/Contents/MacOS/Wesnoth
20110425 18:52:19< Alarantalara> timotei: it refuses to accept it, though the OS would run the app with that name
20110425 18:52:29< Alarantalara> that's the most likely
20110425 18:53:00< timotei> hmm, weird
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20110425 18:54:47< Alarantalara> it may just be the expectation for a file instead of a directory though, since "open Wesnoth.app" is a valid command and executes the program
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20110425 18:55:26< timotei> Alarantalara: yeah, but: ./Wesnoth.app doesn't :P So maybe that
20110425 18:55:39< timotei> I'll check with the Eclipse framework to see if it has any clues about this
20110425 18:56:54< Alarantalara> timotei: true, the shell complains that a directory is not an executable
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20110425 19:14:09< {V}> oh. drat. submitting patches to wesnoth requires a gna account :-|
20110425 19:14:40< Ivanovic> huh?
20110425 19:14:52< Ivanovic> should be possible without account, too (as reporting bugs is possible without)
20110425 19:14:59< Ivanovic> not 100% sure though
20110425 19:15:06< tschmitz> I accidentally submitted a patch anonymously last week
20110425 19:15:29< {V}> Ivanovic, really? I'll search some more then
20110425 19:15:37< Ivanovic> {V}: as you hear from tschmitz: it is possible!
20110425 19:15:45< Ivanovic> just go to patches.wesnoth.org
20110425 19:16:22< Ivanovic> and in the top bar hover over "patches" and something like "submit" (depends on your selected lang)
20110425 19:17:11< {V}> ah! thanks. I hadn't spotted the hover menu on patches
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20110425 19:17:38< ancestral_> AI0867: I'm trying to use wmlparser2 on add-ons and campaigns
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20110425 19:19:41< ancestral_> When I change the input file to a particular campaign's _main.cfg I only get the campaign info. Do I need to run it on each campaign's unit file individually?
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20110425 19:59:35< {V}> wesbot: patch 2650
20110425 19:59:36< wesbot> Patch #2650  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110425 19:59:36< wesbot> Summary: Backport of r45510 to branches/1.8 fixes crash triggered by changing objectives after end of scenario
20110425 19:59:39< wesbot> Original submission: Backport of r45510 to branches/1.8original revision: r4
20110425 19:59:42< wesbot> 5510 by sileneNo extra changes beyond those in the original revision were re
20110425 19:59:45< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?2650
20110425 19:59:47< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=12910
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20110425 20:15:26< AI0867> ancestral: please stay around for an answer... anyhow, you'll need to add a define, as campaign contents are guarded by those so they're only loaded when needed
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20110425 20:26:02< crimson_penguin> timotei: I am, but Wesnoth isn't 64-bit
20110425 20:26:04< Disruption> Hi devs! :)
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20110425 20:26:43< crimson_penguin> hi Disruption 
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20110425 20:27:56< Disruption> hi there, crimson
20110425 20:33:55< Disruption> 30 minutes to know the accepted proposals for GSoC
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20110425 20:47:25< Disruption> hi Crab___
20110425 20:52:09< Crab___> hi
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20110425 21:04:59< Disruption> how are you?
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20110425 21:06:22< zaroth> wow, Wesnoth got 5 slots!
20110425 21:06:41< timotei> zaroth: did the page update?
20110425 21:06:52< timotei> for me either it's 500 or not listing anything :(
20110425 21:06:53< zaroth> timotei: yes, congratulations :-)
20110425 21:07:02< timotei> what?:D
20110425 21:07:08< Disruption> really? I didn't find any of the wesnoth projects, search for wesnoth returned nothing at all xD
20110425 21:07:13< timotei> didn't get any mails :(
20110425 21:07:41< Sytyi> timotei: yes, 500 is really annoying
20110425 21:08:10< zaroth> well, for my two searches for wesnoth I first got two wesnoth students, then it crashed, then the other three
20110425 21:08:14< timotei> congrats Sytyi!
20110425 21:08:20< timotei> I'm getting 4 xD
20110425 21:08:50< zaroth> at this point I left this sloppy website, since I thought it's unlikely that Wesnoth got 6 slots with 5 mentors ;-)
20110425 21:08:55< timotei> zaroth: congrats too!
20110425 21:08:58< Sytyi> timotei: what do you mean? It is still 500 
20110425 21:09:11< timotei> Sytyi: Nick	WML validation tool	The Battle for Wesnoth	Mark de Wever
20110425 21:09:22< zaroth> thanks timotei :-)
20110425 21:09:27< Disruption> Nephro, Nick, Tommy, Zaroth and Timotei, are the ones that shows for me
20110425 21:09:39< Disruption> congratulations for all of them
20110425 21:10:58< zaroth> thanks Disruption!
20110425 21:11:17< timotei> thanks Disruption :P
20110425 21:11:31< {V}> gah that google-melange site is ugly
20110425 21:11:33< Disruption> np :)
20110425 21:11:52< Sytyi> thanks
20110425 21:11:57< Sytyi> greating guys
20110425 21:12:12< Disruption> it's incredible how badly designed the google site for gsoc is
20110425 21:12:43< Sytyi> as i heard it is an another gsoc project
20110425 21:12:50< Crab___> to all the applicants who were not accepted - if you would like to try to implement some of your ideas nevertheless, we would be glad to mentor you in all the ways we can
20110425 21:13:22< Disruption> That would be interesting, but as I'm poor I need to search for a job
20110425 21:13:47< Disruption> but I'll try again next year
20110425 21:14:42< Crab___> you are welcome to just visit us from time to time. and good luck next year
20110425 21:14:57< Disruption> yes, I'll come and greet :)
20110425 21:15:07< Crab___> ;)
20110425 21:15:14< Disruption> Anyways, I knew I wouldn't be selected
20110425 21:15:23< Disruption> the other projects were much more "important" for Wesnoth's development
20110425 21:15:44< Disruption> so I knew I had no chance anyways, but the idea seemed interesting nonetheless
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20110425 21:17:17< zaroth> Disruption: that's what I also figured and why I switched to another idea asap ;-)
20110425 21:17:39< Disruption> Well, I liked the idea, so I presented a proposal on that idea
20110425 21:17:46< Disruption> I didn't want to choose ideas depending on my chance to be elected
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20110425 21:18:04< Disruption> It was more or less clears which projects were more important and which ones where less importants
20110425 21:18:08< Disruption> clear*
20110425 21:18:16< Disruption> important*
20110425 21:18:41< Disruption> anyways, the chosen projects are interesting, and I'm sure they'll help a lot in terms of wesnoth development, so I'm fine with it :)
20110425 21:18:47< timotei> Disruption: you can (and should) ask the mentors why they didn't chose you :)
20110425 21:18:57< timotei> that way you'll know how to enhance your app next year :)
20110425 21:19:51< Disruption> I think I won't be able to remember the things from this year to the next =3
20110425 21:20:17< Disruption> It would be nice to know anyways
20110425 21:20:42< timotei> Disruption: you'll be more prepared :P
20110425 21:20:57< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions | Re: [Status] Primary Multiplayer server outage by Gambit at 04-25-2011 19:15:53 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=33656&p=486654#p486654
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20110425 21:28:29< zaroth> Ivanovic: who constructed current automated wesnoth windows build system?
20110425 21:28:30< Sytyi> I cannot even imagine
20110425 21:28:55< Ivanovic> zaroth: probably loonycyborg
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20110425 21:29:38< loonycyborg> Yes. Me. If you mean the files.wesnoth.org/hidden/win stuff
20110425 21:29:43< zaroth> is it available publicly in the trunk somewhere?
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20110425 21:29:57< zaroth> oh, thanks :-)
20110425 21:30:52< zaroth> I would like to have a look at creating incremental patches for windows and wanted an insight into how it's currently done
20110425 21:31:10< timotei> zaroth: patches for windows?
20110425 21:32:13< zaroth> timotei: well, yes, I always found it a bit bizarre that a ~300 MB game doesn't provide smaller patches to upgrade between versions
20110425 21:32:27< zaroth> (I know why is that, read the forum topic)
20110425 21:32:52< zaroth> and decided to fix that if it will not prove too time-consuming
20110425 21:33:57< loonycyborg> Mostly because I don't need it myself and high bandwidth connections are abundant now.
20110425 21:34:42< timotei> zaroth: oh, patches between different game version?
20110425 21:34:46< timotei> versions*
20110425 21:34:50< timotei> there is the .xdelta thingy ȘP
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20110425 21:35:37< zaroth> timotei: did you ever see e.g. starcraft providing xdeltas between its install binaries?
20110425 21:36:12< timotei> zaroth: IDK
20110425 21:36:17< loonycyborg> Don't all those use proprietiary RTPatch? :P
20110425 21:36:19< zaroth> I don't know how it's done, but I would like to learn how it should be done properly ;-)
20110425 21:37:23< Nephro> oh my god
20110425 21:37:30< Nephro> I can't believe this is true
20110425 21:38:11< timotei> Nephro: congrats!
20110425 21:38:15< Nephro> thanks
20110425 21:38:27< Nephro> you are accepted too right?
20110425 21:39:12< timotei> Nephro: yes :P
20110425 21:39:27< Nephro> congrats to you too then
20110425 21:39:54< Nephro> oh, I was walking half dead to the library
20110425 21:39:56< timotei> thanks
20110425 21:49:14< Nephro> oh my oh my
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20110425 21:50:06< Nephro> thanks to all of the mentors for the reviews and gratz to the rest accepted :) But I gotta get ready for the exam tomorrows
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20110425 22:10:03< mordante> to all students not accepted feel free to ask why we didn't select your application and what you can do to make it better next time
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20110425 22:11:09< mordante> to all accepted congrats 
20110425 22:11:55< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions | Re: [Status] Primary Multiplayer server outage by loonycyborg at 04-25-2011 20:06:40 http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=33656&p=486658#p486658
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20110425 23:09:18< Nephro> good night, guys
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20110425 23:29:09< ancestral> AI0867: Ah, so I need to add a define to load a campaign
20110425 23:33:03< ancestral> I'll have to try that out when I get to my lappy
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20110425 23:40:46< boucman> hey all
20110425 23:41:12< Ivanovic> hey boucman
20110425 23:41:48< Ivanovic> boucman: i think there was a request yesterday regarding a backport to branches/1.8 that was animation related
20110425 23:41:54< Ivanovic> boucman: please check the logs
20110425 23:42:35< boucman> Ivanovic: no tonight, i wanted to say hi, but it's pretty late and i'm not going to stay long
20110425 23:42:42< boucman> but I think a bug was opened, i'll have a look
20110425 23:42:59< Ivanovic> okay, just wanted to point it out to you so that you are aware of it
20110425 23:43:26< boucman> zaroth: around ?
20110425 23:44:35< zaroth> boucman: yes
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20110425 23:45:40< boucman> congratulation
20110425 23:45:59< zaroth> thank you :-)
20110425 23:46:11< zaroth> I was a bit surprised to see you as my mentor, though
20110425 23:46:36< zaroth> since fendrin & Crab were listed on soc page as people caring about that idea :-)
20110425 23:47:04< zaroth> but as it was already said here, it doesn't really matter in such a monolithic organization as wesnoth
20110425 23:47:52< boucman> zaroth: i'm the joker mentor, I can mentor more or less anything, but fendrin and crab probably know the area better than I do at that point, so you should actively look for their advice... even when i'm around :)
20110425 23:48:42< boucman> however there is a point i'd like you to think about before tomorow (i'm a bit in a hurry right now, but i'll have more time tomorow)
20110425 23:49:07 * zaroth is all ears to the wildcard mentor
20110425 23:49:20< Ivanovic> zaroth: he basically can mentor *anything* somehow
20110425 23:49:30< Ivanovic> he tends to get stuff that he had nothing to do with before
20110425 23:49:52< boucman> ok so it's about changing the difficulty mid-campaign, which is one of your stated objective...
20110425 23:50:16< boucman> basically i'm heavily againts it :P (but don't worry there is a way around my objection)
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20110425 23:50:31< zaroth> well, there were other objections as well
20110425 23:50:57< zaroth> so I may end up hidding it behind a non-default option or non-coding it at all
20110425 23:51:24< boucman> i'll explain my objection
20110425 23:51:25< zaroth> especially YogiHH hinted that difficulty's heavy rooted within current framework and won't be easy to change
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20110425 23:51:49< boucman> right now, difficulty is a preproc macro that is used at campaign loading time
20110425 23:53:00< boucman> because it's a preproc macro, it can change basically everything... it could add scenarios, change unit stats, change complete rulsets... so if you suddenly allow it to change midgame without that being an "opt-in" for campaign designers, you are almost certain to break a good half of UMC
20110425 23:54:40< boucman> I personally think that we should entirely drop the idea of difficulty settings. except for backward compatibility
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20110425 23:54:53< zaroth> I think it may have been shadowmaster who pointed out that even though the most common use of difficulty I saw in code was the starting gold/adding enemies, it's not often the case... and changing these may be a real pain, just as you said
20110425 23:55:27< {V}> boucman, re: the animation related backport, it was a patch that was submitted
20110425 23:55:29< {V}> wesbot: patch 2650
20110425 23:55:30< wesbot> Patch #2650  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110425 23:55:30< wesbot> Summary: Backport of r45510 to branches/1.8 fixes crash triggered by changing objectives after end of scenario
20110425 23:55:33< wesbot> Original submission: Backport of r45510 to branches/1.8original revision: r4
20110425 23:55:34< boucman> instead, we should use your idea of pre-campaign window that is filled by campaign designers
20110425 23:55:36< wesbot> 5510 by sileneNo extra changes beyond those in the original revision were re
20110425 23:55:39< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?2650
20110425 23:55:41< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=12910
20110425 23:55:51< boucman> thx {V}, i'll add that to my todo list
20110425 23:56:24< {V}> boucman, thank you for adding it to your todo list :)
20110425 23:56:41< zaroth> boucman: yes, since it doesn't exist yet, it's hard to break backward compatibility ;-)
20110425 23:57:06< zaroth> and due to Crab_'s suggestion, these things will be held in WML variables
20110425 23:57:12< boucman> and we let them set whatever variable they want there, including one called difficulty if they want to
20110425 23:57:26< boucman> i.e we move the difficulty setting entirely out of the engine
20110425 23:59:13< boucman> zaroth: i'll let you think about that a bit, there are other things I want to discuss wrt the different stages in MP campaing creation so I understand exactly what you want to do...
20110425 23:59:29< zaroth> ah, so if one wants to make a campaign with a change-able difficulty he will have to program it himself?
20110425 23:59:53< Ivanovic> zaroth: i think what boucman means is that you would not be using the current "macro" way for defining gold and such
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