--- Log opened Thu Apr 28 00:00:20 2011
--- Day changed Thu Apr 28 2011
20110428 00:00:20< zaroth> anyway, showing a mp connect screen on disconnect and getting a new player join correctly is no trivial task
20110428 00:00:59< zaroth> since with current design a new player has to watch through the whole replay until he can join
20110428 00:01:00< fendrin> I also vote for making it backgroundable.
20110428 00:01:09< boucman> indeed, that's why I proposed not doing it in your first step :P
20110428 00:01:29< zaroth> (unless it's easy to switch off somewhere...)
20110428 00:01:55< fendrin> Assume a player is lost and one of the remaining players is doing his part or it is assigned to the ai.
20110428 00:01:58< zaroth> (but if it was, wouldn't it be already switch-offable ? ;-) )
20110428 00:02:23< fendrin> The game goes on but it is also in the lobby searching for a player to jump in.
20110428 00:03:37< boucman> zaroth: ok, I need to leave soon... so let's discuss what your first step will be...
20110428 00:04:12< zaroth> boucman: I think we already established that unpocifying the hack I done would be that
20110428 00:04:33< zaroth> however, I still don't know what would be the best way to handle difficulties I stated before...
20110428 00:04:57< boucman> oh, yes :)
20110428 00:04:59< zaroth> (preprocessor and sliders ignoring)
20110428 00:05:29< boucman> first: sliders
20110428 00:07:01< boucman> as a way to de-pocify, I think that the [scenario_metadata] should have a disable_connection_slider=bool field, that would remove the relevant widgets in the connection screen, leaving the values to whatever they are set, it's cleaner than setting them then ignoring them
20110428 00:07:39< boucman> and by putting it in [scenario_metadata] we move toward having all info needed for the connection_screen in scenario_metadata, which seems like a good idea in the long term
20110428 00:08:09< boucman> zaroth: would that work ?
20110428 00:09:00< zaroth> i don't feel too good about the bool switch, but I guess it's cleaner than what I have
20110428 00:09:19< boucman> I see it as a temporary solution to depocify
20110428 00:10:16< boucman> unless we do a deep refactoring of multiplayer_connect (basically making it 100% WML defined, which is a huge change) that's the best I can think of
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20110428 00:12:09< boucman> now, i'm a bit more confused about the preproc problem...
20110428 00:13:59< boucman> could you reexplain the actual problem to me plz ?
20110428 00:15:58< zaroth> the problem is that I didn't get from the current code how to clear the cache properly
20110428 00:16:18< zaroth> and get the right files to analyze with my newly specified defines
20110428 00:16:35< zaroth> which resulted in kind-of-working hack you are seeing in the patch
20110428 00:16:41< zaroth> since it's clearly not the right way to do this
20110428 00:16:55< zaroth> I'd like to know how it should be done...
20110428 00:18:29< boucman> tbh I never played with the internals of the preproc, so I can't really help here...
20110428 00:19:19< zaroth> boucman: who can then?
20110428 00:20:07< zaroth> I'll look around in the code more obviously, but would be nice to have some kind of assertion that it's the right way here...
20110428 00:20:13< boucman> no idea, maybe crab... I have an idea to do it in a cleaner way, but it's still hackish...
20110428 00:21:17< boucman> in [scenario_metadata] have a campaign_file=<file path> entry. Since this is not a preproc include, it won't be parsed automatically, and you can parse it at a later date
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20110428 00:21:47< boucman> because what you want to do is not really forgetting, it's delaying the actual parsing of the scenario. 
20110428 00:22:43< boucman> that is not really clean since we do in WML something that should logically be done with a preproc include, but it's the best I can think of at this point to depocify, unless another dev comes with a better way to do it...
20110428 00:22:56< zaroth> boucman: do you mean campaign_metadata, now?
20110428 00:23:15< boucman> yes
20110428 00:23:21< zaroth> because I don't think I'm planning to have defines= and unlocking domains in per-scenario basis
20110428 00:23:24 * boucman is getting totaly confused with names
20110428 00:23:31 * zaroth too
20110428 00:23:34< boucman> :P
20110428 00:25:20< boucman> ok, i'm lost with your last remark... 
20110428 00:26:05< zaroth> boucman: do you think every scenario in a campaign should be able to define its own #define domain (as currently campaigns do)?
20110428 00:26:14< zaroth> if you don't, then we agree here :-)
20110428 00:26:17< boucman> no
20110428 00:26:32< boucman> ok, I'm not sure we agree, but i'll trust you on that :P
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20110428 00:26:59< boucman> so, let me reformulate my idea with a little pastebin
20110428 00:27:43< zaroth> I guess my good plans for now should be clarifying this mess a bit and asking crab for a little help if I catch him
20110428 00:27:52< boucman> hehe
20110428 00:28:16< boucman> i'll try to explain my idea so you can think about it, but yes, that sounds like a plan, and the slider thing should keep you busy too
20110428 00:28:36< fendrin> zaroth: I have coded a little in the part of the preprocessor. Why do you need to change it?
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20110428 00:29:32< zaroth> fendrin: ?
20110428 00:29:35< boucman> http://pastebin.com/NghZriN5
20110428 00:29:42< zaroth> I don't need to change preprocessor...
20110428 00:29:49< zaroth> I just want to invoke it more smartly
20110428 00:29:59< fendrin> Sorry, my mistake.
20110428 00:30:03< boucman> zaroth: in the example above, we use a pointer in WML to find the campaign file
20110428 00:30:21< boucman> this way the preproc is never aware of it, and the campaign file isn't read automatically
20110428 00:30:49< boucman> and we can do it ourselves from c++ after the campaign_selection menu has chosen the right campaign to parse
20110428 00:31:48< fendrin> huh?
20110428 00:32:10< boucman> fendrin: yes ? (quickly I need to get some sleep soon :) )
20110428 00:33:47< fendrin> currently the "metadata" tag called [campaign] does only work with setting an extra symbol for the campaign. All the exclusion is done with our normal preprocessor workflow.
20110428 00:34:27< boucman> fendrin: yes, and that is a problem, since it forces us to reparse campaigns twice. that's what we are trying to change
20110428 00:34:44< fendrin> Why do we reparse campaigns?
20110428 00:35:16< boucman> a first time to have the info for the campaign selection menu, and a second time once difficulty is set IIUC
20110428 00:35:16< zaroth> to get the define-guarded part of them?
20110428 00:35:32< boucman> since we don't know the difficulty when displaying campaign selection
20110428 00:35:35< fendrin> I don't see the problem.
20110428 00:35:49< boucman> loading time
20110428 00:35:54< fendrin> During the first read the extra define for the campaign is not set.
20110428 00:36:12< fendrin> You will collect only a bunch of the metatags.
20110428 00:36:17< boucman> ok, I really need to go, zaroth, fendrin, I'll reread the log tomorow so feel free to discuss some more i'll see you guys tomorow evening
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20110428 00:37:39< fendrin> Then the reload with the extra defines.
20110428 00:38:04< fendrin> This read will only go for the selected campaign.
20110428 00:38:10< zaroth> fendrin: that's a bit of a problem to me, how to do the reload in code.
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20110428 00:38:40< fendrin> You can see how it is done when you watch how the single player code does it.
20110428 00:38:46< fendrin> It's not that complicated.
20110428 00:39:04< zaroth> also, since the MULTIPLAYER define is in effect, it will not only read the metatags, but also all the multiplayer scenarios
20110428 00:39:36< zaroth> at least with how it's currently done
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20110428 00:40:38< fendrin> Well, we currently include only one single wml file.
20110428 00:40:56< fendrin> Everything else is handled with preprocessor symbols. 
20110428 00:41:25< fendrin> Introducing a second system of how we call for files that are going to be processed is not a good idea in my opinion.
20110428 00:47:37< zaroth> well, that's not what I meant...
20110428 00:48:38< zaroth> I just felt that reloading the whole thing might feel a bit heavy... but I guess I can postpone this a bit
20110428 00:49:07< zaroth> from the map creation screen to the time between creation-connection
20110428 00:49:23< zaroth> since we don't need the campaign symbols in the creation screen anyway
20110428 00:50:09< zaroth> hmm, right now I put it in get_parameters().. I'll have to check how often is this called
20110428 00:50:18< zaroth> anyway, now I'm heading off to bed
20110428 00:50:20< zaroth> good night!
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20110428 00:51:44< Espreon> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20110428 00:51:44< Espreon>   Original size: 2 KiB on 2 files
20110428 00:51:44< Espreon>  Optimized size: 2 KiB
20110428 00:51:53< Espreon> Whoops...
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20110428 08:20:58< timotei> mordante: hi! You were looking for me?
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20110428 09:16:54< zaroth> Ivanovic: how do I upload my patch to sourceforge.net ? when trying to copy it to zaroth@frs.sourceforge.net:/home/pfs/project/w/we/wesnoth/unofficial I get a "permission denied"
20110428 09:17:24< zaroth> and I don't get options mentioned in File Manager here: https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Release%20files%20for%20download
20110428 09:17:50< zaroth> "You must be a project admin or have the "release technician" permission to manage files for a project" <- is this true with me?
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20110428 09:20:23< Espreon> zaroth: Huh? Why are you trying to put it there?
20110428 09:21:03< zaroth> Espreon: it's a binary windows patch installer, weighing 37.8 MB
20110428 09:21:21< zaroth> wesnoth-1.8.5-patch-win32.exe
20110428 09:21:28< Espreon> Ah.
20110428 09:21:30< zaroth> sourcecode here http://pastebin.com/CtPtnCDH
20110428 09:22:01< Espreon> Looks like you're gonna have to wait for someone who can grant you such permissions.
20110428 09:23:26< zaroth> loonycyborg: ^
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20110428 09:57:47< Ivanovic> moin
20110428 09:58:33< Ivanovic> zaroth: you have "release tech" permissions
20110428 09:59:46< zaroth> Ivanovic: erm... so maybe I don't see something
20110428 10:00:15< zaroth> I'm in https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/ and don't see "Add folder" option anywhere mentioned in the sf.net docs
20110428 10:00:17< Ivanovic> try this command:
20110428 10:00:36< Ivanovic> rsync -avP -e ssh FILES zaroth,wesnoth@frs.sourceforge.net:/home/frs/project/w/we/wesnoth/unofficial/
20110428 10:00:52< zaroth> zaroth,wesnoth?
20110428 10:00:57< Ivanovic> yes
20110428 10:01:20 * zaroth tries to add this to his scp command
20110428 10:01:36< Ivanovic> i know that this rsync command works for me
20110428 10:02:58< zaroth> Ivanovic: erm... my password doesn't work here
20110428 10:03:14< zaroth> neither for scp nor for rsync
20110428 10:03:16< Ivanovic> use rsync with this line
20110428 10:03:25< Ivanovic> strange one, it does exactly this for me
20110428 10:03:55< zaroth> when I type my password using your command, it prompts me again for password
20110428 10:04:09< zaroth> when I type my password using scp wesnoth-1.8.5-patch-win32.exe zaroth@frs.sourceforge.net:/home/pfs/project/w/we/wesnoth/unofficial
20110428 10:04:25< zaroth> it accepts my password, but refuses access to the directory later
20110428 10:05:33< zaroth> anyway, does the web interface work for you?
20110428 10:05:55< zaroth> i.e. do you see an add folder somewhere on this page?
20110428 10:05:56< zaroth> https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/
20110428 10:08:25< zaroth> Ivanovic: it was NoScript... I had to unlock another domain to see the buttons -_-
20110428 10:09:17< zaroth> I see the web interface to upload files now
20110428 10:14:51< {V}> yay
20110428 10:16:31< zaroth> Ivanovic: I still don't know why scp/rsync doesn't work, but since the method with web interface worked, I'll worry about that later ;-)
20110428 10:16:41< zaroth> so thanks for help
20110428 10:17:15< Ivanovic> 1) i don't think that you should really be uploading to "/home/pfs" but "home/frs"
20110428 10:17:26< Ivanovic> at least i gave you exactly the command i use for uploading releases
20110428 10:17:30< Ivanovic> and here it works nicely
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20110428 10:17:58< Ivanovic> (of course replacing FILES with what i want to upload)
20110428 10:18:24< Ivanovic> 2) no idea...
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20110428 10:21:32< zaroth> yes, I changed the pfs to frs, but it's still a login issue ;-)
20110428 10:21:56< zaroth> and erm, can't I add a poll to my topic? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33691
20110428 10:22:31< zaroth> I'd like to add something like "interested"/"not interested (playing on windows)"/"not interested (not playing on windows)"
20110428 10:22:57< Ivanovic> you can do anything since you have moderator privs
20110428 10:23:11< shadowmaster> no
20110428 10:23:19< shadowmaster> you can't do anything because you have those privileges! ;)
20110428 10:23:25< zaroth> well, I can create a poll in another section easily enough
20110428 10:24:22< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: is poll creation for non admins blocked in the release announcement forum?
20110428 10:24:29< shadowmaster> yes
20110428 10:24:43< zaroth> I just don't see "Poll creation" tab for any topic in this forum ;-)
20110428 10:24:47< shadowmaster> give me a few seconds/minutes to figure out how and to fix it
20110428 10:25:44< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: eg an admin could edit his post and add the poll
20110428 10:25:44< shadowmaster> bah
20110428 10:25:49< shadowmaster> zaroth: okay, you can now
20110428 10:25:50< Ivanovic> sounds like a simple fix to me
20110428 10:26:20< zaroth> shadowmaster: thanks
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20110428 11:30:01< Crab_> zaroth: I'm around atm.
20110428 11:31:56< Ivanovic> Crab_: any new regarding the 1.8 fix(es)
20110428 11:31:59< Ivanovic> ?
20110428 11:32:49< Crab_> no, but definitely be in till the end of saturday.
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20110428 11:54:08< vultraz> is this going to be fixed in 1.9.6?  http://imagebin.org/150581
20110428 11:56:16< Ivanovic> vultraz: is there a bug report for this?
20110428 11:56:25< vultraz> dunno
20110428 11:56:29< Ivanovic> it might simply be a case of "not designed to work together"
20110428 11:56:29< vultraz> I just found it now
20110428 11:56:42< Ivanovic> then check bugs.wesnoth.org and create a report if you don't find one
20110428 11:57:34< vultraz> then why does non-swamp water terrain have nice dune transis
20110428 11:58:05< vultraz> even swamp villages don't have the tranisis to dunes
20110428 11:58:16< vultraz> but the same village on regular water does
20110428 11:59:39< Ivanovic> how often do you have a swamp at desert hills?
20110428 11:59:53< vultraz> if it's the edge
20110428 11:59:57< vultraz> of the desert
20110428 12:00:10< vultraz> or for those crazy maps where terrain makes so sens
20110428 12:00:14< vultraz> sense
20110428 12:02:32< vultraz> or if it's a dirty oasis
20110428 12:02:39< vultraz> overgrown*
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20110428 12:45:18< vultraz> http://imagebin.org/150583 ban encampment keep transis
20110428 12:47:10< Ivanovic> vultraz: you should write bug reports for translations that you think are broken
20110428 12:47:15< Ivanovic> this way they are not lost/missed
20110428 12:47:35< vultraz> translations :?
20110428 12:47:38< Ivanovic> you could also ask some of the terrain specialists in teh forums
20110428 12:47:45< Ivanovic> s/translations/transitions
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20110428 12:49:42< vultraz> ok
20110428 12:53:38< Ivanovic> but many of those are likely to end as "not all combinations are meant to work"
20110428 12:53:48< Ivanovic> so don'T be disappointed if you get this reply
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20110428 14:08:34< zaroth> Crab_: still around?
20110428 14:08:51< Crendgrim> zaroth: did you read my message in #wesnoth?
20110428 14:09:11< Crab_> zaroth: a bit afk now, will be around in ~30 minutes
20110428 14:09:35< Crendgrim> okay :)
20110428 14:11:10< zaroth> Crendgrim: sure :-)
20110428 14:11:40< CIA-82> zaroth * r49331 /trunk/data/multiplayer/factions/ (12 files): patch #2642 by faabumc: MP default era: Use random leader when pick faction
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20110428 14:31:12< loonycyborg> zaroth: The patch seems to work fine for me.
20110428 14:31:49< zaroth> loonycyborg: great! if you have any comments on NSIS script, don't hold them back :-) 
20110428 14:31:54< loonycyborg> With the exception that registry keys/start menu shortcuts still say previous versions..
20110428 14:32:20< zaroth> I had no sane idea how to cope with that
20110428 14:32:31< zaroth> sure, I could store the version string for the one I detected
20110428 14:33:25< zaroth> but what if user is patching a installation without registry keys, i.e. simply a moved directory?
20110428 14:34:07< loonycyborg> You could record start menu shortcuts/menu items for 1.8.5 and delete those for previous versions.
20110428 14:34:24< loonycyborg> *registry keys
20110428 14:34:35< zaroth> (that is, simply selected a different dir than the default I provided him with autodetection)
20110428 14:34:35< zaroth> then all changes I'd do would likely end with a huge mess
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20110428 14:35:11< zaroth> hm, that's an idea
20110428 14:35:25< zaroth> what about directory name?
20110428 14:35:40< loonycyborg> You could rename it.
20110428 14:35:47< zaroth> (user could change it from default "Battle for wesnoth 1.8.3" to "mywesnoth"
20110428 14:35:52< zaroth> during installation
20110428 14:36:25< loonycyborg> Maybe somehow check if it's the default name and rename it only if it matches.
20110428 14:37:33< zaroth> and uninstaller? (that's probably the simplest)
20110428 14:37:45< zaroth> I think that simply including the file list from the newest release would do
20110428 14:37:53< zaroth> and uninstaller would be freshly generated
20110428 14:38:29< loonycyborg> I tried the uninstaller and it worked without missing files to my surprise.
20110428 14:39:15< zaroth> (however, removing *all* previous versions from registry seems a bit invasive to me... I can't think of somebody wanting to keep e.g. 1.8.1, 1.8.2 and 1.8.5 simultaneously
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20110428 14:39:39< zaroth> oh really? that's good news :-)
20110428 14:39:42< loonycyborg> I meant to say only of version you're upgrading from.
20110428 14:39:50< zaroth> I didn't test it, I just assumed it wouldn't work
20110428 14:39:56< loonycyborg> Not of all versions.
20110428 14:40:33< zaroth> and here comes the question, how to detect the version I'm upgrading only having the install path to it?
20110428 14:41:04< zaroth> (I assumed wesnoth binary has some kind of Version: field, but it has not to my knowledge)
20110428 14:41:57< zaroth> I think abandoning registry etc. changes if user changes the default autodetect could be a solution...
20110428 14:41:59< loonycyborg> You could record the registry key you've read INSTDIR from.
20110428 14:42:38< zaroth> yes, I know that, but I still consider the auto-detected directory from registry key only as a default, not as a fixed directory path
20110428 14:42:47< zaroth> where install *will* take place
20110428 14:42:51< zaroth> I could change that, however
20110428 14:43:09< zaroth> on cost of losing the flexibility of patching any directory I want
20110428 14:43:20< zaroth> as long as it contains Wesnoth.exe
20110428 14:43:49< loonycyborg> Allowing the change but ignoring the registry if the path is changed looks fine to me.
20110428 14:44:28< zaroth> all right then
20110428 14:44:45< zaroth> maybe I'll add a button (return to default) and a notice about that to be clear
20110428 14:45:54< loonycyborg> kk
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20110428 14:46:11< zaroth> loonycyborg: by the way, what version did you patch? maybe there was no added files between these two?
20110428 14:46:21< loonycyborg> 1.8.4
20110428 14:47:19< zaroth> I'll try uninstalling patched 1.8.0 then to see if it holds true
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20110428 14:57:31< zaroth_> hmm.... It removed all files with patched 1.8.0 , I have no idea why tbh
20110428 14:57:35< zaroth_> maybe there is something like rm -rf $INSTDIR in the uninstaller in the end ;-)
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20110428 17:56:46< Nephro> Hello
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20110428 18:05:36< Nephro> Hello, Crab_, couldn't catch you here for a few days. Do you want to discuss some organizational issues and/or give any instructions?
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20110428 18:12:32< Crab_> Hi, Nephro
20110428 18:14:22< Crab_> first of all, congratulations on being accepted.
20110428 18:14:39< Crab_> then, about the work itself
20110428 18:15:12< Nephro> thanks, I am really happy it happened :)
20110428 18:17:00< Crab_> the way that we will work is mostly defined by you, because each student has his own different way of thinking and working
20110428 18:17:28< Crab_> the purpose of gsoc for you is to grow as a programmer, and make the world a little better in the process
20110428 18:17:37< Crab_> and, as a mentor, I'd like to help you on that.
20110428 18:19:07< Crab_> the first steps, as I see them, is to finish up your work on aspects and create a comprexensive list of things that will be exposed. It will form the definition of done for the first part of the project. I can help with that list.
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20110428 18:22:23< Crab_> Nephro: maybe there are questions ?
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20110428 18:26:14< Nephro> Crab_: I had questions yesterday, but the others answered them. Mostly, I was interested, about the actual mentor/student interaction process. E.g., I was working on the aspect code, but you suggested to redo the first version of it, giving strong reasons. If this would happen during the summer, would it be the same? I mean, if I complete a piece of code, the implementation of which doesn't seem the best possible(or at least good)
20110428 18:26:41< Crab_> Nephro: the usual route is to commit often. I hope that we would be able to work this way
20110428 18:26:45< Nephro> Redoing would obviously be better for my growth, but would consume time
20110428 18:27:06< Crab_> Nephro: so, you will take care to test your code to ensure that it doesn't break things
20110428 18:27:20< Crab_> and, if something is not good, you will be able to redo it
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20110428 18:30:39< Ivanovic> noy: any news about the kalifate?
20110428 18:31:04< noy> I've dropped the ball on it recently because of work, but maybe this weekend it will be done
20110428 18:31:08< noy> let me round up some troops
20110428 18:32:07< Ivanovic> okay
20110428 18:33:59< Nephro> Crab_: ok, that seems clear. About the time matters. I think the timezone in Ukraine is the same as in Latvia, and I plan to start working at ~8 in the morning every day, till about 6, when I have trainings in Tuesdays and Thursdays. I'll also work on some weekends, to get ahead of the schedule(or catch up), but some weekends I'll spend in ballpark. 
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20110428 18:44:13< Crab_> Nephro: ok. I recommend trying to redo the aspects in a 'correct' way, devoting some small amounts of time to get more familiar with the code.
20110428 18:44:52< Crab_> Nephro: after you'll be at home w/ lots of time, you would be able to fix the things correctly
20110428 18:45:25< Crab_> Nephro: but, while your exam session lasts, it's more important to spend time in investigations and small bugfixing, to 'keep the code in mind', so to say
20110428 18:45:40< Nephro> Crab_: by redo you mean complete the fixes you listed in the logs and on gna?
20110428 18:45:42< Crab_> Nephro: we can also work on preparing that 'list of things to do' for june
20110428 18:46:28< Crab_> yes, and do any other changes you want to do )
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20110428 18:59:25< Nephro> Crab_: the most difficult exam will take place on Saturday, after that I will not have any exams for 2 weeks and 2 easy ones after. So I will try to finish up aspects on Monday(iirc not much to do there), after that I am up for creating that list and implementing the easiest parts
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20110428 18:59:44< Crab_> ok. use the wiki (a new page) for the list
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20110428 19:01:59< CIA-82> timotei * r49333 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/product/ (Application.java WMLPerspective.java): 
20110428 19:01:59< CIA-82> eclipse plugin: Add the ErrorLog view
20110428 19:01:59< CIA-82> and also log any exceptions encountered
20110428 19:01:59< CIA-82> in the product running time rather
20110428 19:01:59< CIA-82> than silently ignore them
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20110428 19:59:24< Crab_> hi, Aethaeryn
20110428 20:02:29< Aethaeryn> hi
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20110428 21:37:08< noy> Ivanovic: there are some problems
20110428 21:37:14< noy> can you come to #wesnoth-mp
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20110428 22:17:37< Soliton> eleazzaar: http://gna.org/bugs/?18059  can you comment on that or is that for someone else?
20110428 22:17:41< Soliton> dang
20110428 22:18:14< Soliton> zookeeper: ^ maybe you can comment?
20110428 22:21:29< Soliton> http://gna.org/bugs/?18068  wasn't that fixed already? or is there a better fix to come? shadowmaster?
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20110428 22:25:13< zookeeper> Soliton, well i kinda agree that they're not as distinct as i think would be good, but i can't really give much suggestions for how to fix it.
20110428 22:26:12< zookeeper> but i suppose i can comment to ask which shallow and deep water are hard to tell apart. tropical shallow is pretty easy to distinquish from gray deep...
20110428 22:26:45< Soliton> ok. eleazar made the new versions, right? so he should know what to do.
20110428 22:26:48< zookeeper> also i'll assign to eleazar while i'm at it...
20110428 22:26:49< zookeeper> yes
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20110428 22:32:24< Soliton> hmm, we have quite many (high level) units with no undead_variation.
20110428 22:33:27< Soliton> well, most of them are fine with the default.
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20110428 23:06:12< monochromatic> zookeeper: Around?
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20110428 23:06:58< boucman> hey all
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20110428 23:08:36< zookeeper> monochromatic, sort of
20110428 23:08:40< zookeeper> what do you need?
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20110428 23:09:16< monochromatic> I'm updating a bit or ReferenceWML
20110428 23:09:20< monochromatic> And saw this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SyntaxWML#Empty_Values
20110428 23:09:33< monochromatic> Shouldn't this be in VariablesWML?
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20110428 23:12:45< zookeeper> i don't know, maybe. on the other hand it's really about empty values; if you're looking for something about empty values then you're not gonna expect it to involve variables and thus will not look in VariablesWML.
20110428 23:14:09< monochromatic> What with we combined SyntaxWMl and VariablesWML?
20110428 23:14:20< monochromatic> (and put a clearer name on it of course)
20110428 23:14:25< monochromatic> what if we*
20110428 23:17:20< zookeeper> i wouldn't mind that... i think
20110428 23:17:38< monochromatic> I'll see what I can do.
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20110428 23:25:34< shadowmaster> Soliton: I was not aware of any fixes in trunk at the time I reported the bug against HEAD
20110428 23:27:46< monochromatic> zookeeper: actually would you be against combining all the pages in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML#How_WML_works together intoa tidy definition page?
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20110428 23:28:05< monochromatic> UtilWML is basically obsolete as well.
20110428 23:28:18< Soliton> wesbot: log r49319
20110428 23:28:19< wesbot> upthorn * r49319 : Reverted r49222, since displaying traits without descriptions is desired behavior. Re-fixed MSVC9 crash-on-unnamed-trait bug in a different manner.
20110428 23:28:22< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=49319
20110428 23:29:12< Soliton> ^ did that not fix it?
20110428 23:29:12< monochromatic> so we can just have a single page splitting the definition of WML into three parts: data, variables, and preprocessor
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20110428 23:30:00< shadowmaster> it looks like Upthorn committed that revision some hours after I filed the bug :(
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20110428 23:35:16< monochromatic> zookeeper: I'm actually learning (or not) interesting things. So according to the wiki you can simply assign variables with [variables]?
20110428 23:35:58< monochromatic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/VariablesWML#Overview
20110428 23:36:00< zookeeper> monochromatic, actually i'd rather keep PreprocessorWML separate... it really is something which is separate from everything else, after all
20110428 23:36:09< monochromatic> That's cool.
20110428 23:36:18< monochromatic> Makes sense too.
20110428 23:37:03< zookeeper> monochromatic, err, no idea, i've never used [variables]. i guess it might work at scenario level.
20110428 23:37:11< monochromatic> Hm.
20110428 23:37:30< monochromatic> Very interesting indeed, I'll have to try that sometime.
20110428 23:37:35< zookeeper> "Every variable can be assigned an initial value at the beginning of a scenario by using the [variables] tag." is the only bit which alludes to setting variables with it.
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20110428 23:37:57< monochromatic> ALso http://wiki.wesnoth.org/VariablesWML#The_.5Bvariables.5D_tag
20110428 23:38:15< monochromatic> 'The [variables] tag is used in saved games to describe the current value of each variable, and in scenario files for assigning initial values to variables at scenario start.'
20110428 23:38:30< zookeeper> right, that too.
20110428 23:38:49< monochromatic> Okay, I'm intrigued.
20110428 23:38:54< monochromatic> Testing now.
20110428 23:39:24< zookeeper> well it's a pretty useless feature and i hope no one uses it :p
20110428 23:40:11< Upthorn> oh, crap
20110428 23:40:17< Upthorn> I forgot to mark the bug as addressed
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20110428 23:41:09< monochromatic> crimson_ipad: ooh you got one?
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20110428 23:42:15< shadowmaster> Upthorn: you can close it too, since it only affects revisions past a tag
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20110428 23:43:54< Upthorn> done
20110428 23:44:21< shadowmaster> Upthorn: thanks
20110428 23:45:26< monochromatic> zookeeper: Hm.
20110428 23:45:38< monochromatic> It all returned as empty.
20110428 23:45:51< monochromatic> So it doesn't work as written: I'm removing it.
20110428 23:46:18< monochromatic> To clarify: it didn't work under [scenario] or [event]
20110428 23:46:47< shadowmaster> I think it worked at some point. Not that I'd encourage anyone to use it.
20110428 23:47:05< shadowmaster> *point as a [scenario] child
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20110428 23:47:39< zookeeper> yeah, i'm not surprised if it has been broken at some point.
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20110428 23:47:57< crimson_ipad> monochromatic: Yeah, like 6 months ago
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20110428 23:48:14< monochromatic> Well that's good. It's going to be removed from the wiki too.
20110428 23:48:19< monochromatic> crimson_ipad: cool
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