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20110405 00:13:07<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9159 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/ (20 files in 3 dirs): Converted straight apostrophes/quotation marks.
20110405 00:15:44<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9160 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/macros/items.cfg: Converted a fake dash.
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20110405 00:24:10<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9162 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/scenarios/15_GatesofKharos.cfg: Eliminated a Britishism.
20110405 00:25:58<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9163 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/scenarios/12_A_New_Leader.cfg: Write out a number.
20110405 00:28:55<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9164 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/CREDITS.cfg: Eliminate a hyphen.
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20110405 04:51:24<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9168 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/_main.cfg: TSL: fixed comment.
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20110405 05:26:55<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9172 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/scenarios/01_The_Walk_of_the_Forbidden.cfg: TSL: work on scenario one; we're almost up to putting stuff in the fire illusion room\!
20110405 05:26:59< Espreon> Lovely.
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20110405 05:45:47<+CIA-90> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r9174 /trunk/To_Lands_Unknown/ (6 files in 2 dirs): TLU: eliminated double spaces.
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20110405 14:19:21< AI0867> did anyone else in here get spammed on their sourceforge address by 'masterbranch'? (subject is in binary)
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20110405 21:56:36< noy> esr: have you read the last ring bearer?
20110405 21:57:01< esr> noy: Have a copy queued up to read.
20110405 21:57:31< noy> blew through 20 pages in like 10 minutes... I fear that I might not meet my next article's deadline. 
20110405 21:57:36< noy> for this week
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20110405 22:18:12< noy> shadowmaster: who is most knowledable or involved in EI?
20110405 22:20:56< shadowmaster> EI == Eastern invasion? zookeeper I guess.
20110405 22:22:26< noy> zookeeper: around? 
20110405 22:23:10< zookeeper> yeah
20110405 22:23:15< zookeeper> what do you need?
20110405 22:23:38< noy> I've been thinking about a Khalifate campaign
20110405 22:24:31< noy> And turin suggested that the antagonist from EI could have originally come from the deserts in the east
20110405 22:25:12< noy> aka the khalifate
20110405 22:25:27< noy> is it muff malal?
20110405 22:25:46< zookeeper> nope, that'd be mal-ravanal
20110405 22:26:04< noy> ah, right
20110405 22:26:22< zookeeper> weren't the khalifate supposed to be placed down south somewhere?
20110405 22:26:37< noy> south east...
20110405 22:27:30< zookeeper> okay. well, yes, that'd be one place in (current) mainline where they could be tied in somehow. did you have anything more specific than that in mind?
20110405 22:29:18< fendrin> noy: There is also at least one scenario in utbs that could feature them.
20110405 22:30:28< shadowmaster> huh.
20110405 22:31:01< noy> Well what I was thinking, is that the culture was originally somewhat vibrant in the desert, through mining and production of some luxury goods
20110405 22:31:05< noy> ect
20110405 22:31:27< noy> however the towns were highly dependent on cross city trade to survive
20110405 22:31:45< noy> and that collapsed due to some cataclysm... maybe it was Mal Ravanal
20110405 22:31:58< shadowmaster> fendrin: I don't have a map with me right now because I'm too lazy to print a copy of the mainline Wesnoth map to draw over it (and I don't own a graphics tablet), but that scenario in UtBS I think you are thinking about should take place around former Elensefar.[4~[4~[4~[4~[4~[4~[4~[4~[4~
20110405 22:32:13< noy> now the cities are much reduced in size and maybe a bit more self reliant
20110405 22:32:20< noy> but trade is still important
20110405 22:33:51< zookeeper> shadowmaster, which scenario would that be?
20110405 22:34:32< shadowmaster> Blood is thicker than Water, if I recall the name correctly
20110405 22:34:45< fendrin> shadowmaster: Maybe I misunderstood your point but I do no suggest to add another scenario to utbs (but I am not against it either). I thought about the humans in the last part of "Out of the frying pan" could be Kalifate.
20110405 22:35:07< zookeeper> noy, sounds reasonable. so mal-ravanal was originally maybe their emissary of some sort to wesnoth, and when he became a bad guy and turned to a lich and all that and went back to the east, he took control of things and stuff went downhill from there?
20110405 22:35:20< noy> Is EI before or after the HTTR?
20110405 22:35:25< zookeeper> after
20110405 22:35:33< noy> hmm
20110405 22:35:40< zookeeper> by about a few hundred years or so. at least a hundred.
20110405 22:35:59< noy> well it doesn't matter how long it is... Mal Ravanal could be 500 years old, right?
20110405 22:36:16< noy> or is his life tied to that of EI?
20110405 22:36:43< zookeeper> noy, not really, according to the existing EI backstory. he only became a lich maybe a max of couple decades before EI.
20110405 22:36:57< noy> One thing I was toying around with was that maybe the society embraced magic...
20110405 22:37:00< noy> before
20110405 22:37:02< zookeeper> i don't recall the exact timeframe, but it's something along those lines
20110405 22:37:45< noy> and then Mal Ravanal was created or whatever, which almost destroyed the culture
20110405 22:37:48< noy> or society
20110405 22:38:11< noy> and this was a factor behind them shunning magic
20110405 22:39:29< noy> this treads close to UTBS unfortunately...
20110405 22:39:45< noy> sigh... I guess I'm unoriginal
20110405 22:40:06< zookeeper> doesn't sound all that much like anything in UtBS to me
20110405 22:40:55< zookeeper> anyways, gotta go in a few minutes
20110405 22:40:58< noy> np
20110405 22:42:38< zookeeper> if you want to tie the khalifate in some mainline campaign, then i'd suggest EI. i don't think it's a completely utopian idea to even have them appear in the campaign at some point, but i can't really say if it'd be a good or a horrible idea without more thinking.
20110405 22:43:47< zookeeper> i doubt you can talk about them a lot in the backstory (as it's told in the campaign) either, but i guess there's room for some basic stuff
20110405 22:44:02< noy> well I was going to create my own campagin
20110405 22:44:22< noy> but I wanted some tie-in with other campaigns
20110405 22:45:04< fendrin> noy: I can offer you help with the wml coding of the new campaign.
20110405 22:46:47< zookeeper> noy, mal-ravanal is as good a tie-in as you'll find, IMO
20110405 22:47:25< zookeeper> the entire backstory for him is Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/15_The_Council.cfg
20110405 22:47:52< zookeeper> actually there's practically nothing else told of him elsewhere in the campaign...
20110405 22:48:50< zookeeper> bedtime!
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20110405 22:52:33< noy> fendrin: thank you
20110405 22:52:37< noy> I may take you up on that
20110405 22:53:07< fendrin> noy: I don't want to have a word on the story, just tell me what events/gameplay you need and I'll code it.
20110405 22:53:20< noy> we'll see...
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20110405 23:13:50< Aethaeryn> Gambit: is there more than just [message] & [option] for GUI stuff in-game?
20110405 23:14:02< Gambit> [text_input]
20110405 23:14:07< Gambit> [set_menu_item]
20110405 23:14:23< Gambit> Lua also has the ability to build custom dialogs, though that I do not understand.
20110405 23:14:53< Aethaeryn> Gambit: link?
20110405 23:15:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I'm looking for it presently. Just a moment.
20110405 23:16:44< Gambit> here's all I could find:
20110405 23:16:45< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=31417&p=453534&hilit=lua+window#p453534
20110405 23:16:51< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30993&p=447023&hilit=lua+dialog#p447023
20110405 23:17:00< Gambit> show_dialog is apparently the method you want to research.
20110405 23:17:38< Gambit> I thought there was a thread by silene when the feature was added that explained it and had pictures.
20110405 23:17:40< Aethaeryn> Gambit: do you mean http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUIToolkit ?
20110405 23:17:44< Gambit> I can't seem to find that though.
20110405 23:17:55< Gambit> No.
20110405 23:17:59< Gambit> There is a wesnoth.show_dialog
20110405 23:18:13< Gambit> read the first post of the first thread I linked you to.
20110405 23:18:35< Aethaeryn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML:Display#wesnoth.show_dialog
20110405 23:19:46 * Gambit shrugs
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