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20110414 19:14:39< dougmencken> hi guys; just launches wesnoth and got that I must build 1.9.5 ;):(
20110414 19:14:49< dougmencken> s/ches/ched/
20110414 19:16:09< keb> you dont like shiny new things?
20110414 19:17:07< dougmencken> keb: well, I do; I do always came here when I'm building new wesnoth :)
20110414 19:17:32< dougmencken> keb: the only thing I hope you'll never require opengl and such accell-only stuff
20110414 19:18:19< dougmencken> (like supertux, for example)
20110414 19:18:45< keb> 3d it doesnt work well on my old nvidia anyway
20110414 19:19:17< dougmencken> keb: on my "very special" radeon too (well, only on os x <= 10.4 and mac os >= 7.1)
20110414 19:19:44< keb> oh you have a g3?
20110414 19:20:01< dougmencken> keb: PowerMac4,3 (PPC7400)
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20110414 19:20:30< keb> glad it still works
20110414 19:20:46< dougmencken> I'll upload 1.9.5 to: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/manulix/wesnoth-bin-powerpc/ (after building and testing it; testing means playing 2-3 online games :)
20110414 19:21:03< keb> of course :)
20110414 19:21:06< dougmencken> keb: works well, thanks! SDL forever!
20110414 19:24:43< dougmencken> hmm... (reading (string->site "changelog" wesnoth)) "New translation: Old English" << what's that langauage?
20110414 19:25:57< dougmencken> thanks for fixing "interlacing" stuff too!
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20110414 19:35:38< Espreon> dougmencken: This one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English#Text_samples
20110414 19:36:40< Espreon> Oh, and BTW, we do seek to move to OpenGL.
20110414 19:37:00< dougmencken> Espreon: no no no no no
20110414 19:37:23< dougmencken> as option, not as "the must", I beg you
20110414 19:38:14< Espreon> I'm pretty sure the plan was to eventually make having OGL support mandatory.
20110414 19:38:36< Espreon> Nothing's probably going to happen for a long time, so... yeah.
20110414 19:38:42< dougmencken> Espreon: for? the reason?
20110414 19:39:05< Espreon> Hardware acceleration... is delicious.
20110414 19:39:41< dougmencken> Espreon: only if you have a card with: 1) can do it; 2) os with drivers for your platform
20110414 19:40:03< dougmencken> s/with /with working /
20110414 19:40:30< Espreon> True. But it seems that plans were made with the big three in mind.
20110414 19:40:42< Espreon> ... and only the big three.
20110414 19:40:48< dougmencken> Espreon: which version would it be? 2.0?
20110414 19:40:54< Espreon> Who knows?
20110414 19:41:10 * dougmencken can call other users to aim against and make a fork
20110414 19:41:36< Espreon> Again, nothing's going to happen for a long time.
20110414 19:41:50< Espreon> We have enough problems already.
20110414 19:41:54< dougmencken> killing sdl support is a very very very bad idea; optional opengl support is okay
20110414 19:42:07< Espreon> We don't need to throw OGL migration into the hellish mixture.
20110414 19:42:42< dougmencken> Espreon: wesnoth is the most successive linux game, about which problems you're talking about?
20110414 19:42:46< Espreon> We wouldn't be killing use of SDL. We'd just be making use of OGL.
20110414 19:42:53< Espreon> The current issues with 1.9.x.
20110414 19:43:10< dougmencken> Espreon: tell the issues
20110414 19:43:30< dougmencken> 1.9.4 is great, even despite you dropped autotools
20110414 19:43:33< Espreon> 1. The Lua exception shitstorm
20110414 19:43:49< Espreon> 2. ana's broken, to an extent
20110414 19:44:01< Espreon> There's probably more, but IDK.
20110414 19:44:43< dougmencken> hmmm, I'm not sure I can continue... it's beyond my knowledge... but what Lua (the prog lang) does do with opengl
20110414 19:44:55< Espreon> Nothing.
20110414 19:45:03< Espreon> It's just a problem that needs to be dealt with.
20110414 19:45:46< Espreon> Honestly, I think pure SDL support would be great, but they probably want to make having OGL support mandatory so that there'd be less to maintain. IDK.
20110414 19:46:29< dougmencken> Espreon: is wesnoth's license gplv3?
20110414 19:46:39< Espreon> v2.
20110414 19:46:50< dougmencken> okay, forkable too :)
20110414 19:47:14< dougmencken> v2+ or just v2? if only v2, then why?
20110414 19:47:19< Espreon> Instead of going all fork-happy, why not express your concerns?
20110414 19:47:22< Espreon> Dunno.
20110414 19:48:07< dougmencken> Espreon: upstream is very unhappy to support things they just dropped; look at mozilla team
20110414 19:48:19< Espreon> We haven't dropped anything.
20110414 19:48:35< Espreon> We don't even have OGL support in trunk.
20110414 19:48:38< dougmencken> Espreon: yeah, you're coll
20110414 19:48:45< dougmencken> s/oll/ool/
20110414 19:48:48< Espreon> Again, it's not going to happen for a long, long time.
20110414 19:49:13< dougmencken> Espreon: ah, so you just told all this $@# just to make me unhappy for a short period?
20110414 19:49:48< Espreon> Nope.
20110414 19:50:11< Espreon> If you didn't mention my precious child, this wouldn't have happened.
20110414 19:50:44< dougmencken> Espreon: your precious child? is it opengl support?
20110414 19:51:17< Espreon> The Old English translation. If you didn't ask about it, I would have just went to a different window or whatever
20110414 19:51:48< dougmencken> Espreon: ah, okay, then sorry; I'll make old english my default localisation in wesnoth for you
20110414 19:51:57< Espreon> Uh, OK.
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20110414 19:54:41< noy> dougmencken: its v2
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20110414 19:55:17< dougmencken> noy: hmm
20110414 19:55:37< Espreon> Why must we be seen as soulless beings?
20110414 19:55:59< dougmencken> we aren't
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20110414 19:56:32< Espreon> I'm talking about the developers.
20110414 19:56:43< dougmencken> Espreon: devs are gods
20110414 19:56:57< dougmencken> Espreon: they are so great so Ican't just imagine that
20110414 19:57:22< Espreon> O...K... then...
20110414 19:58:30< noy> I don't get why the people complaining about development cultures are the ones who rarely do something about it. Its not like we're a secret cabal or an exclusive club.
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20110414 19:59:37< dougmencken> noy: it's not so simple to write code; it's like magic (c) sicp ;)
20110414 20:00:18< noy> there are plenty of ways to contribute 
20110414 20:00:45< noy> WML, translation, scenario creation, art, ect. 
20110414 20:01:06< dougmencken> for me, coding is easier than writing art and music :)
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20110414 20:01:21< noy> uhh, okay
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20110414 20:02:30< dougmencken> and I'm not so addicted to games, and is old for games (as many guys tell me), wesnoth is just my favorite one
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20110414 20:04:03< dougmencken> build directory size: ~605 MiB <<< o_0
20110414 20:05:43< dougmencken> big thanks to Doug Kaufman, I just *love* his songs
20110414 20:06:35< dougmencken> siege_of_laurelmor and the_city_falls are my favorites
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20110414 20:14:57< dougmencken> by the way, is it possible to be e-mailed in the case the new version has been released and made as the must to play on official server? to automate builds
20110414 20:16:20< dougmencken> like some mail with topic "[new version]"
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20110414 20:45:46< keb> dougmencken there used to be a sourceforge rss feed
20110414 20:45:56< keb> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=14349  
20110414 20:46:32< dougmencken> keb: thanks
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20110414 20:47:01< keb> but its not working anymore :(
20110414 20:47:35< dougmencken> ???
20110414 20:48:18< keb> it seems to be a recurring question in the forums too
20110414 20:48:33< dougmencken> some wesnoth-release mail list maybe, which I can parse to make automated builds when I'm 1000 miles out of my computer
20110414 20:49:09< dougmencken> okay, aiming the browser
20110414 20:50:40< dougmencken> well, it's about rss, hmm
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20110414 21:01:10< dougmencken> Linking CXX static library libwesnoth-lua.a... I'll dive into Lua language; I always think Scheme is the best
20110414 21:01:58< dougmencken> (before this moment :)
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